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About the troubles in her marriage, and about something else. I just told craig that there was something i needed to tell him. And, he listened. And i told him that i had feelings for him. And he said that he had feelings for me. And that was about as far as the conversation went that day. The next night, robbyn stayed over at her in laws, philip and lindas, because she was scheduled to take him to a doctors appointment in the morning. And craig was at the house to. Did you and craig have an Internment Relationship that night . We did. Where was that . That was in philip in linda s living room. Where were philip and linda . They were asleep. The relationship continued from that night forward. Robbyn said that craig would call her, often using a cell phone that a friend had gotten for him, to set up a rendezvous. They would often meet at the Hunting Lodge that craig was cashing at, after moving out of his girlfriend, tina. How many times were you intimate . Probably 20 times. A few weeks into the affair, robbyn said that she told her Husband Carrey what was going on. How did he find out and know about the affair . I told him. How do the act when you told him . He was upset. He was very upset. And he said that if i was going to have an affair, he wishes it wouldve been with anybody else except for his brother. And he was very upset about it beings brother. And the prosecution asked robbyn, what did she see in her brother in law . Robbyn already had carey, who by all accounts, wasnt devoted husband. Doting father, and solid provider. Why would she step out on him with craig . Where the state portrayed as someone who did not once much out of life, except for time to hunt. Craig, who is out of work on disability. And was squatting at a friends Hunting Cabin. How did you think your life was going to improve by engaging in this relationship . At the time, i felt like craig was giving me some attention. And giving me some things that carry wasnt giving me. That at the time, i felt like that was where i need to be. With craig. But what were craig and robbyn going to do when word got out to the family . Because were did get out to craig and careys father philip, and fast. Philip was very angry and upset with me. And philip wasnt going to take the destruction of his family, and his family name lightly. Jurors would next here from friends and colleagues of the lip, that when it came to the embarrassing relationship between the son and daughter in law. Philip was gonna do anything he could to stop it. He said im gonna take craig out of the will. Coming up word of a fight in the family. Bad blood, beginning to boil. The rage was still building up. And he knew that if he was ever gonna do something, now is the time. When dateline continues nondrowsy claritin knocks out symptoms from over 200 allergens. Without knocking you out. Feel the clarity and make today the most wonderful time of the year. Live claritin clear. 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And i said, philip. I said, its not that bad. Harvey thought philip was referring to the unnerving downturn in the 2008 real estate market. But no, phillips said that his problem stemmed from turmoil within his family. And now philip was gone. And his son craig was on trial, for shooting to death both him and his brother, and wounding his mother. The prosecutor will tell the jury not just the story of a taboo relationship between the man and his brothers wife. But also about an emotionally complicated position involving the black sheep son, and a head strong father, dead set against the affair. A few months before his death. A revelation with friends said board into his very soul. He was rarely mad, very upset. He just did not stand the idea that this would be in someones heart. This marital affair was driving him up the wall. Philip simply could not let this affair run his course his friend said. Because more than real estate, philip live for his family. And his good name. It meant everything to him to keep all the heidt living in harmony. Working hard to preserve the Heidt Ancestral Land for future generations. But when philip confronted his son craig about the affair. Craig had a surprising response, according to his mother. What did craig say about the affair . That if he wanted robbyn he would have robbyn. And what was that for you at the time in regards to that . He was kind of arrogant. He told his mom a few weeks before, if i want her i will have her. And i cant even imagine that you have a conversation like that with your mother. Anyway, how are you gonna have Thanksgiving Dinner . For instance. With these dynamics. You cant. So he knew that mom and daddy would never accept it. The bad blood between craig and his Family Members quickly worsened, according to the prosecution. Jurors heard about a heated argument craig and his Brother Carey had gotten into outside a sonic burger restaurant. And craig didnt seem to care who knew that things were toxic inside the heidt family. Real estate agent, kristie campo. He said that they did not get along. That he was a back sheep of the family. And he wouldnt help them if they were on fire. Craig said that he said the same sentiment to her. Craig said that if his father was on fire, he would not urinate on his father to put him out. Father and son, brother and brother, a husband and wife all square it up in the court. The story being told in the court was of the heidt family destroying itself. A match had been lit, as the prosecutor told him. And come late august, an explosion was about to go off. Robbyn told the jurors about a Driveway Altercation a week or two before the shooting. Between her and her father in law. An argument that became physical. Philip said, you know, look around you. These are things that craig cannot give you. These are things that only carey can give you. And he said you dont understand how craig is. He has issues that you dont understand. And that upset me. I said, im leaving. Im getting in the car and im leaving. So i got in my suburban, the window was rolled down, and i went to crank my car. And mr. Philip reached in, took my keys and pushed my arm away. Robbyn says that she told her about the incident with his father. The state theorize that it was about then that the tensions in the family became unbearable. A Family Friend named loretta recalled that carey told her about the fight between the two brothers that turned ugly. He craig walked into the house. And craig brings in the run. And he just threatened to shoot carey. And his daddy grabbed the gun. Took the gun, and took it away. Jurors sound photos of damage to the house caused by the two brothers. A damage, wall damage furniture. In court, loretta testified about what else she said carey told her. That during that fight, philip, the father, had given craig an ultimatum. If you dont leave robbyn alone, im gonna cut you out of the will. And in fact, phillip heidts accountant testified that he and philip did discuss taking craig out of the will. And philips son, carey, had already taken his wife names out of a 3 Million Dollar trust he had set up for his children. Its not clear what craig or robbyn did or did not know about these papers. But then, prosecutor michael said financial concerns were definitely on craigs mind. Money is not a small factor here . Money is a large factor. Meaning, he knew he had to provide for careys wife like carey had been providing. And the only way that he was going to get any financial means to live the life that he wanted to life with robin was through an inheritance. And he has enough sense to know that he is not going to inherit anything if both parents are dead. Jurors also heard the realtor Christy Campos story, of craig asking to show him some territory. I showed him the house. He said he was going to purchase some more horses to start training them. So he said, hes asking how much more land he can buy with the house. State suggested that craigs house hunting showed premeditation. He never did own any land to sell off, as he told the realtor. So other than killing his family for the inheritance, how else would he get the money to close in on the new house and live with robin . The prosecutor asked her just that. To your knowledge, did you have any means to go by a quarter milliondollar piece of property . No. I dont think so. Where was he going to get the money for you to live together . I couldnt answer that. He would have to. Did you have the money yourself . Not myself. No. Then came that day in late august, the week before the murders on early monday morning. The countdown to a double homicide was about to begin as the prosecutor saw it. That friday night, robbyn had been with craig at the Hunting Cabin. That night, while i was there. He made the comment that if carey and philip werent careful, that he would go oldschool on them. Do you know what he meant by that . I did not. The next morning, an odd thing happened at the cabin. Craig and robbyn noticed a low flying helicopter that looked as though it was spying on them. Robin asked her husband about it later that day. Carey told me, that i need to remember he had friends in high places. Any pointed up at the sky. And he didnt actually come out and tell me about the helicopter. I said i knew that that was you. In fact, philip asked a friend to see if the suv was at the cabin. And if so, to take some photos. He did locate this white suburban parked next to craigs truck. Robin testified to the chopper surveillance. He had a very, very angry look on his face. Ever seen that mad before . No. That surveillance by the friends of the helicopter, taking pictures of the cars. Did that light the fuse do you think . The fuse was burning. And, that just helped it burn faster. You have to remember that the opportunity did not arise until that sunday night, when robbyn informed craig that carey was going to be over there. That sunday, carey took the children to church. When they got home, robbyn made them lunch. And then she and carey got into what would be one final argument. He was very upset because he had proved that i spent the night with craig on friday night. So he said he felt like it was best since he was so angry and upset that he would stay with his mother and father that night. So he packed his things and left around four. It would be the first time that carey would stay over and his parents house in 13 years. Robin says she called craig and told him that carey had left. And where he was headed. She says she spoke to craig on the phone one last time before going to sleep. But, later that night, craig did one make more phone call to the old girlfriend, tina williams. Im sorry for ruining your life. Im sorry i cant help you financially. Im sorry for involving you in my life, in my drama. And im thinking, okay. And i thought it was kind of strange. Tina said she got the eerie sense that craig was fixing to do something. But she couldnt tell why. Thats why she had wondered with regret later whether she couldve prevented what was about to happen to the heidts in the next few hours. Should she have told philip and miss linda early on about the disastrous affair. If they nipped it in the bud, would maybe the murders never have taken place . For the next several hours or so. What happens as you see it . I think the rage is still building up. And he knew that if he was ever gonna do something, now was the time. And he had all the people that stood between him and what he wanted. It was after midnight. Husband, wife, and son in a modest house at the end of a quiet road, settled in for the night. Their final night, as the esteemed heidt family. Coming up after the crime, craig heidt on tape. What may be the Breakthrough Clue in the case. As an investigator, some evidence stood out. When dateline continues morning of august 25th, 2008, it was around five in the morning on august 20th of 2008. And robin heidt wife of carey heidt, heard a loud knock at the door. It was two officers and a chaplin. Who told her that her Husband Carey and his parents had been shot. I said some how was carey killed and they said that he was shot in the head. The news left her numb. She told the jury, she could not breathe. A few hours later, craig called. He was crying really hard and said he couldnt believe what happened. And i said, are you okay . And he said no. And i said, craig, did you have anything to do with this. And he said no. She confronted him again when they were all gathered at his brother chriss house. And i saw craig there and i went over to him and i said, you know i want you to look at me and tell me if youve done this or not. And he said no. Robbyn says that she saw craig at the funeral. And within a week, he asked her if they would be together again. He asked me if our relationship was gonna remain how it had been. I told him i wasnt sure at that time. In those tumultuous early days. The two kept it cool. And so did the detectives who came across what they considered a huge clue. The significance of which they would keep quiet about for months. It was a breakthrough that followed a simple if question. If craig had fired a shock on that night, would he have some telltale bruises from the recoil of the weapon . Agent howard asked craig if he could take a look. I asked him, do you mind taking off your shirt. He said yes, he complied. And i was able to see two distinct bruises on his upper bicep in this area. But it wasnt just the fact that craig had the bruises where you would expect it. They said he already had a story to account for them. Craig started to explain away, before he even took his shirt off that, i fell yesterday. As an investigator, hairs on the back of my neck stood up. Bruises, the sizeable area on the right bicep and a smaller one on the left were photographed. I stepped out of this and after craig was asked to explain it where it occurred. Looking noticeably more slender on tape, then he did sitting in court. Craig described how he slipped to get out of the shower. I stepped out like this. And my right foot came out and fell like that right there. And landed on the toilet. Right there, right there. When i landed, i kind of landed hugging this right here. Type of thing. He said hit the toilet so hard that it shifted. I tried to keep my head from busting this up. Cutting my head, it just all happened so fast thats just how i wound up. The states Medical Examiner took the stand and said craigs bruises look to him like a lot more like the kick from the shotgun than they did the injuries from a fall. And once more, while craig said hes fell just one day before the photos were taken. The Medical Examiner said the bruisers did not look fresh. They had to be at least about three days old because of the gold coloration. In order for the human body to get that gold color with a bruise it takes at least three days. In the larger theory of the crime, the one involving the Old Testament lust. The prosecutors argued that craig pull that trigger three times so that he could have it all. Robin, the money to be with her, and the freedom from his parents disapproval. And they said that he thought he was getting away with it. For a while. He needed me. And i was there for him. And i needed him for support so we had each other. A few weeks after the funeral, robin and craig visited the cemetery together to throw away the dead flowers on philip and careys graves. By christmas, they were back together as a couple. And in january, craig moved in. Taking careys old side of the marital bed. He started taking his brothers children on outings with robin, but looking back, the sister in law said it just didnt feel right. We did look like a family, we were acting like everything was right. And it was wrong. Robbyn said that she would try to end it. And

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