While the House Freedom caucus is making radical demands and treating this like a political stunt, that saturday night deadline very real in terms of the harm it can cause for Hundreds Of Thousands of americans. I am old enough to remember the last time that the Government Shutdown because republicans wanted something ridiculous. It was right around christmas of 2018. The federal government shut down because President Trump demanded funding for a border wall that he never ended up finishing. And on capitol hill, it was a spectacle. But for 80,000 Government Workers, these antics and 35 days without a paycheck. That new life for ships enter in Capitol Heights its opening its doors to furloughed workers, providing donating food from Grocery Stores and church members. Im with the Department Of Commerce and yeah, four weeks, no check. Many of the folks in this line have worked for the federal government for decades. 30 something years. And dont know what it is like to go without a check. That is how nicole feels. I think i carlock every day. And this mom who works with the irs. I got two sons and they know, i am standing in line for their foods, you know. You never thought youd be here . Never thought this time around, there are literally thousands of Government Workers who if republicans in congress refuse to fund the government by the end of this week, who will face potentially devastating financial situations just like that. Yesterday, abc news interviewed a Cafeteria Worker at the library of congress, a woman named willie joel price. The government is going to go back and they are going to get paid. We are not going to get anything. We have to try to scrape by. You have to listen to the phone calls coming because you have not paid your bill, have not paid anything, and ive been there. I have been up on the sill for 42 years, ive been there. [crying] for workers like billy joel price, a shutdown means no work, and it means no pay. The money just never materializes. And then for another class of workers that we deem essential, it means that they dont get paid, but they still had to show up for work, and that will be the case for roughly 1. 3 million active duty u. S. Military service members, again, if republicans in congress cant get their act together by saturday. Now, they would get back there once this is all over, but its unclear when this will all be over. The federal Aviation Administration can be looking at a double Government Shutdown this weekend, and that is because congress is also running up against that time to renew the law that allows the faa to function in the first place. That means the agency would furlough more than 17,000 workers and forced 25,000 to come to work unpaid. Now, you might be taking, thousands of workers being forced to work without pay, that is ridiculous. Why dont they just strike . Well, for the answer to that, you also have the Republican Party to thank. Let me make one thing plain, i respect the right of workers and the private sector to strike. Indeed, as president of my own union, i led the first break ever called by that union. I guess i am i want to ever hold this office, who is a lifetime member of a union. But we cannot compare Labor Management relations in the private sector with government. Government cannot close down the assembly line. It has to provide without interruption the protective services which is the governments reason for being. That was president Ronald Reagan in 1981, basically tried to have it both ways. Thousands of air Traffic Controllers all across the country were on strike, demanding better pay and better working conditions, but rather than negotiating with those workers, reagan fired all of them. He literally fired 11,345 workers and banned them from federal service for life. Now, the reagan chapter is relevant here because something that seems to have gone missing in the discussion about this potential Government Shutdown is that at its core, republicans are willing to hold the country hostage like this because the Republican Party broadly speaking is anti labor. You see that all the way from Ronald Reagan in the 1980s to republicans in congress today. The men and women who dont really seem to care about the impact their political stunts will have on Hundreds Of Thousands of American Workers. And that brings me to tonight. Tonight, former President Trump gave a speech to a crowd outside of detroit that included some autoworkers and a lot of trump supporters. It comes after President Biden walked at the picket line which checkin members of the United Auto Workers union yesterday. Even though what trump did tonight may look similar to what biden did, it is not. Trump is holding this rally supposedly first Union Members at a nonunion car parts manufacturing plant. Trump, like Ronald Reagan before him, is trying to have it both ways. He is trying to make it seem like he is pro labor, but if you think back to when donald trump was in charge, he appointed an anti Union Secretary of labor. He appointed anti Union Members to the National Labor relations board. He appointed tons of anti union judges, and then he celebrated when they clawed back workers strikes. Here is not much of this evening, the candidate who tonight is trying to convince American Workers that he is the one that is really on their side. I put everything on the line to fight for you. Ive risked it all to defend the Working Class from the corrupt Political Class that spent decades sucking the life, wealth and blood out of this country. Joining me now is claire mccaskill, former u. S. Senator and msnbc analyst and my colleague and friend, joy reid. Both of you are my friends. Host of msnbcs the reid out. Thank you for joining me on set, nonetheless. Joy, let me get your reaction to donald trump saying, ive risked it all to defend the Working Class from the corrupt Political Class. It is amazing, isnt it. So you went back to what he did when he was president. You can go way back. I am old school. Lets go back to the 80s. Donald trump, his Prestige Building Trump Tower was built with nonunion, mostly polish immigrant and in some cases, undocumented labor. Those folks were underpaid and in some cases, not getting their checks. And when they complained, donald trump threatened to deport them. Thats how hes always felt about labor. How does he feel about the labor who work at maralago, he got one of them to commit a felony. And he will probably go to prison for a very long time, walt nada, who is another lower paid, brown guy, non organized. He uses a lot of visas at maralago, like slow paid, brown labor, is not like to pay them a lot. Hes not even good to the labor or force for donald trump and his organization, let alone what he did when he was president. He is always been anti labor. And yet, claire, he has the audacity, political cunning, i dont know you call it, to go to a nonunion plant and say that hes put it on the line for the Working Class. Donald trump, hell do many things that normal people wouldnt, but there is some colonel of utility to him doing this, which is that he feels that his message is somehow resonant with the workers. We got to be real here. The bottom line is, a whole lot of white male, union Rank And File voted for donald trump, not just in 2016 but also in 2020. He is a marketing guy. He is marketing to their a grievance, and they believe that donald trump gets them, that he somehow understands that they are working as hard as they can. They cannot afford to retire, on and on and on. Bottom line is, what he did while president is a jawdropping anti union. He said he would save these factories. Alex, those factors shut down in states with union labor. You know where they went . They went either to China Overseas or they went to states where there are no unions. It went south. Listen, i dont begrudge anybody who works hard for a living, and those people who take a shower after work, instead of before work, they have been the Heart And Soul of the Democratic Party. We need to realize that we need to do a better job communicating with them, because trump marketed to them, and it worked. Against all odds, against the record, right . We all talked about it on our shows, joe biden on the picket line . That was not just another photo op, that was a line in the sand for an american president and a signal that the white house is taking this very seriously. I think clare makes an excellent point, because during the 2016 campaign, i traveled a lot, doing my weekend show, we went to pennsylvania and ohio and we did these focus groups. There was one in which we had six labor union guys, and four of the six were hardcore for trump. Part of it was misogyny. They did not like hillary clinton, had all sorts of Conspiracy Theories about her, and were dead set against her. But to clares point, it was a cultural connection with trump. What was on television, you turn on the local tv in those states, it was that man of steel act. I am obsessed with it, because the Clinton Campaign never answered it, and if you are a person who in some of these towns, the steel plant have been replaced by dollar stores, literally distillery in ohio. And you have ads on tv saying, those jobs can come back, we can bring back those steel jobs. We can put you to work again. They show all sorts of multi cultural people, but in speaking to the White Working Class guy, who already as resentment, who in his mind thinks it has something to do with mexico and illegal immigration why my job is gone. So i have a cultural connection to the guy who said that i can break the jobs back. He literally promised to bring auto jobs back to michigan, the jobs went. He promised to bring them back to indiana, the jobs went, when he was president. He did not do it, but he had that message that was actually effective. Biden managed to get back and called back a lot of it because he actually is a pro union guy. Explains bidens candidacy and a lot of ways, doesnt it, clare . Bidens look at it, michigan, 2024 matchup. Trump and biden are running even. Michigan is kind of one of the states that you want to win if you are running for president. The fact that biden is the guy that can go, people will look at that and say how could they be neck and neck, after they same time, biden is a democrat who i think other democrats stink cant go toe to toe with trump and a place like michigan, precisely because the hold he has on the noncollegeeducated White Working Class apparently cannot be shaken, claire. I am not sure about that. Or it seems, again, against the record of donald trump. I think the ad they put up is a good start. They put a contrast ad saying that donald trump did all these horrible things to work in people. Here, joe biden actually delivered. That is great, but they will have to hit a lot harder. They will have to go repetitive and remind people, over and over again, and ohio, pennsylvania, and wisconsin, and michigan, he did not keep his word. And if they can really make it simple and repetitive enough, i think it will peel off some of those workers, because once they are confronted with a reality, they know that he did not keep those jobs there, they shut plants down. They know that they gave up contracts to china for electric vehicles. They know that. By the way, the Biden Campaign has bought that ad on fox. They are running that very ad on fox, which is really important. Which is what you need to do. I think they have figured out some of the alchemy that the Clinton Campaign did not have and did not take donald trump seriously enough. Its why he won by very small margins in wisconsin, pennsylvania its why biden won by small margins he was able to call it back. The other thing is if you look at bidens trip that he took to try to stand with those workers, to stand with the workers, historic. Look at the crowd around him. Working class does not mean just white voters. Those other workers were men, women of every race. That is what the Working Class and riyadh it looks like. There are cultural forces pulling at the other way with the Working Class voters. And they have other concerns. They know that when donald trump, he did not keep that promise. Oh, he kept his promises, he sure did not to workers. He was terrible for union workers. The last thing ill say is that biden is being smart about pushing the idea of evs, making sure that we switch into this technology, but a lot of these jobs will be in those other states where people get paid less money. Evs are popular now. Bidens message that you deserve to get paid more, will also resonate in those states, where they are lower paid and nonunion as well. What about the people of as of saturday may not get paid for their work, lets say federal workers, claire, because House Republicans, in a mess of their own making, are now trying to pin this on joe biden. I think we have time to play this choice sound of the speaker of the house kamikaze blaming joe biden for the impasse that we currently find ourselves in. Why dont you sit down, why arent you sit down serious about making sure that the government does not shut down . The first thing to i would do is sit down with us. I want to sit down with the president to secure that border. The senate has not taken up the house work, so no, the president should step in and do something about it, otherwise, the government will shut down. Wait, what . The president already sat down with speaker mccarthy, they ran i do, and now Kevin Mccarthys people dont want to abide by it. I mean, and the broader context here, how damaging is a shutdown for republicans are now, clear . I think its bad, and here is the problem with this guy. In order to keep the government from shutting down or to open to government backup, hes going to have to go to the democrats. That means he cant be speaker anymore. Kevin, here is the thing, it will be painful. Theyre off the bandaid, confront those extreme people in the caucus and say take me out if you can, but i will do what is best for the country and frankly what is best for our party. But he seems like he is really a bad negotiator and a big coward. So how does it and, the thing that the shutdown is inevitable . I have always said, because i was there for many, many times, when the government which shut down, and ignored it. I have always said that they will figure out a way. This is the first time i dont think they will figure out a way. I think it will shut down. I think he will have to get democrats to open back up, safety stop marquee and the Ripple Effect will be huge. He is going to own it. He is going to open back up, and then i predict before we say trickortreat, we will be Calling Somebody Else speaker. Well and Hakeem Jeffries, the minority leader Hakeem Jeffries tonight said that all options are on the table. There is a chance that democrats push a discharge petition, wwpd. What would pelosi do . She would say i got that senate bill cooking over there, and he learned from her. Hes ready to play. Discharge petition, push through that senate bill, Majority Democratic vote, and that immediately triggers matt gaetz, who wants to be governor of florida, in favor of shutting down the government, saying, bye bye, kevin. You know who is the respeaker, if Hakeem Jeffries solves this, The Real Speaker is Hakeem Jeffries every anyway. Apparently, is show biden, because according to the cabinet, joe biden is speaker. It might not be the house of cant for that much longer. Hello. Can you just stay for the whole hour, ladies . I know you cant. You have other things to do. Clare and joy, my friends, colleagues and wise soothsayers, predictors, halloween that diners, thank you for your time and thoughts tonight. We have a lot more this evening, including the growing list of Senate Democrats calling on bob menendez to resign, and the non existent list of Senate Republicans doing the same. I will discuss the politics of all of that with the great Steve Kornacki, america sweetheart, which has been right here on set later this hour. But first, House Republicans launched their Impeachment Inquiry into <