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Illegal attempt to silence their candidate client. So, what happens now . And the new groundbreaking and long awaited findings that prove once and for all the mysterious condition known as long covid is a real biological illness. What that means for the millions of americans who are suffering and for the chances of one day finding a cure. But we start in michigan where President Biden is set to do what no american president has done before. Walk the picket lines, in a conspicuous show of support for autoworkers and by extension with unions and middle class americans nationwide. It is a stark break from past president s and even bidens own strategy in past disputes. Were staying neutral, which is considered critical to steering negotiations. But the political opportunity here may have been just too good to pass up. President biden getting the chance to do three things at once, lock down votes in the must win state of michigan, boost its poll numbers among American Workers, and launch a preemptive strike against donald trump who is set to meet with the same Union Workers tomorrow. Gabe gutierrez is on the scene in wayne, michigan. John nichols is National Affairs correspondent at the nation. And Cornell Belcher is the democratic pollster, founder of Brilliant Corners Research and msnbc political analyst. So, gabe, set the scene for us where you are. Reporter hi there, chris. Good afternoon. First, i want to talk about something that just happened a few minutes ago. Not sure if we have been able to turn the video around. President Biden Landing here in michigan, on the tarmac, being greeted by uaw president shawn fain. A show of solidarity from the uaw president , which, over the past couple of weeks there had been some questioning about exactly how close the relationship was between the uaw and the white house. The Biden Administration always saying that President Biden does support Union Workers, but early on in this strike, which is now 12 days old, there was some indication by the white house that they didnt really want to antagonize the Big Three Automakers as you hear the horns in the background, people going through this main road here outside of the plant in wayne county, michigan. The president , again, expected to meet with autoworkers in just a short time expected to head to the picket line with the uaw president. This is a very politically sensitive topic for President Biden, who, of course, considers himself the most pro Union President , but there is some Political Risk here because analysts warn if this strike drags on, it could cost the u. S. Economy billions of dollars. And according to recent nbc news polling, just 37 of registered voters approve of President Bidens handling of the economy. When the president was asked yesterday whether he supported the unions demands with the Big Three Automakers, he says i will always support the uaw. By the fact that hes here, basically very signaling his support, strong support, for Union Workers, just as former President Trump is also expected here in michigan tomorrow. Chris . John, you know the politics of labor unions as well as anyone. Give me your take on the significance of President Biden making this unprecedented move, marching with the workers, and we see him now arriving and shaking hands with a few of the Union Workers. It is hugely significant. Franklin roosevelt was thought of as the most pro labor president in history. Other democratic president s im going to interrupt you for a second. The president is on a megaphone. Lets listen. [ applause ] since 1973. Ill tell you what, first timive ever done it as president. The fact of the matter is that you guys, the uaw, made a lot of sacrifices, gave up a lot. And the companies were in trouble. Now theyre doing incredibly well. And guess what, you should be doing incredibly well too. [ cheers and applause ] stick with it. You deserve the significant raise you need and other benefits. Shawn fain, your president. [ applause ] all right. Good afternoon, uaw thank you i want to thank local 174. [ applause ] thank you to the leadership and director lloyd dickerson. [ applause ] youre all the reason were here. This is all about the membership. This site, it holds a Historic Place in the history of our union and our country. This was part of the Arsenal Of Democracy during world war ii. It is where they built the b24 liberator bomber. That bomber, they built one of those per hour when they were at their peak. It is what helped us win the war. So, today, 80 years later, we find ourselves here again, with the democracy. It is a different kind of democracy and different kind of war were fighting. Today, the enemy isnt some foreign country miles away, it is right here in our own area. It is corporate greed. And the weapon we produce to fight that enemy is the liberators, the true liberators, and so Working Class people, all of you working your butts off, on those lines, that deliver great product for our companies. Thats right. Thats how we are going to defeat these people thats how were going to defeat corporate greed is by standing together. [ cheers and applause ] this is a historic moment, the first time in our countrys history that a sitting u. S. President has came out and stood on the picket line [ cheers and applause ] our president chose to stand up with workers in our fight for economic and Social Justice. [ applause ] also a historic day, historic moment in time. It is about the autoworkers who are part of the fabric of the Working Class of this country. Were the people that make the world run. It is not the billionaire class. Not the elite few. It is the Working Class of the billions of people who have been left behind. Thats what this battle is about. Changing that. You know what is going to move this is not some executive that owns our future. It is us. It is Working Class people from all walks of life. It is what we decide to do together that is going to change it, shape the future of this earth and for future generations. And thats the economic reality that Corporate Executives dont want us to recognize. Trying to justify a system where they take all the profit and the workers are left to fight for the scraps and live paycheck to paycheck. Thats got to end. They say they deserve all the profit because they say theyre different. You know what, they are different, they have different degrees, they have different responsibilities, they have different titles, different positions. You know what, i agree, though, theyre different, we just talk about some of that. These ceos sit in their offices, sit in meetings and make decisions. But we make the product [ cheers and applause ] they think they own the world, but we make it run. [ cheers and applause ] the ceos think the future belongs to them. Today belongs to the autoworkers and the Working Class [ cheers and applause ] and the difference between them and us, solidarity forever, without our brain and muscle, not a single wheel would turn. Thats whats different about Working Class people. Whether were Building Cars or trucks or running Parts Distribution centers, whether were writing for movies or tv shows, whether were making coffee at starbucks, whether it is nursing people back to health, whether it is educating students from preschool to college, we do the heavy lifting, we do the real work. Not the ceos. Not the executives. [ cheers and applause ] and though we dont know it, thats what power is. We have the power. The world is of our making. The economy is of our making. This industry is of our making. And as we showed, when we withhold our labor, we can unmake it. Thats what were going to continue to show when we win this fight with the big three, were going to remake it. [ applause ] in this union, the members are the highest authority. In this country, the people are the highest authority. And so today i want to take a moment to stand with all of you, with our president , and say thank you to the president. Thank you, mr. President , for coming. [ cheers and applause ] thank you for coming to stand up with us in our generations defining moment. And we know the president will do right by the Working Class, and when we do right by the Working Class, you can leave the rest to us. Were going to take care of this business. Thank you for coming out. Thank you for being part of this fight. And lets get back to winning solidarity for all of our members and economic and Social Justice for all of our members. [ cheers and applause ] wall street didnt build the country, the middle class built the country. Lets keep going. You deserve what you earned and you earned more than what you get paid now. Thank you very much. [ cheers and applause ] the president of the United States, we have never seen anything like this before. But he earned the nickname union joe when it comes at a politically fraught time for joe biden, make no mistake about that. But this is different in the sense that this is clearly not a president working behind the scenes, trying to see what he can do to get two sides together to reach a deal. This is a president who said unequivocally, you save the Auto Industry to those Front Line Workers and the companies are doing incredibly well, you should be doing incredibly well. Let me go back to you, john, if i can, you heard what the president of the uaw shawn fain had to say. He said, this is a generation defining moment. Talk about that and the significance of this president going here now. It is very interesting that president shawn fain took the mic and gave a very strong speech there, in many ways saying more than what the president said, but drawing the president into this message, and the core message is that we have for a very, very long time in this country had a circumstance where ceos made an awfully lot more than workers. To some extent, thats understood. You get to 40 or 50 or 100 or 200 times what a worker makes, there seems to be an inequality there, an injustice. What i think fain was pointing to is reality we could come into a moment where ceos and investors are not paid as much and workers are not paid a lot more. Thats kind of The Deep Division at this point. And what is interesting is that joe biden came and appears to be getting very good reception here from a union that has not yet endorsed him. He said you deserve what you earned. And also talked about you made this industry, you made this happen. And so that combination of what fain is saying as a union leader and what biden is saying, it really is a powerful moment. We have never, ever seen a president , democrat or republican, do what joe biden has just done. That was joe biden, cornell, in his element. The very last appearance he made before Election Night and i was there in pennsylvania was a union hall. He thrives in that setting. Having said that, i wonder if it is the messaging of the uaw president that will take this and put it in the political realm if he wants to put it in, which is so show himself as the fighter for the Working Class what we heard shawn fain say, you know, this is about social and economic justice. They make decisions, we make the product. He also used a phrase, corporate greed, speaking to what john said, that when you have this kind of disparity, a lot of Traditional Democratic voters respond to it. Is there any downside for this president making this unprecedented move . I dont see a lot of downside. It really is historic. The uaw saved the Auto Industry. They did. When the Auto Industry was flat on its back, the workers gave up a lot to help the Auto Industry get back on its feet. Now that the Auto Industry is back on its feet, what theyre saying is we want a share in the profits too. And to lean into the point being made earlier, look, we have we have seen a middle class shrink as a top 3 , 4 that grow their wealth. The uaw is saying, you know, we are the workers and we want to benefit from the work we put into it. The Auto Industry is now profitable and we, the workers, want to benefit that. When you counter oppose that with what republicans are saying on the campaign trail, senator from South Carolina said the other day, you know, if the workers go on strike, fire them, right . Thats a hard contrast to show you who is on the side of working people and who is on the side of corporate america. Right now, three in four americans support the uaw negotiations. It is a clear contrast of who is on the side of the American Workers and who is on the side of big corporations. In this political space right now, you want to be on the side of the workers. Let me show the numbers. We have a graphic to what you referenced, cornell, the poll found that 67 of americans approve of labor unions generally and this is a record high, 61 say unions help rather than hurt the economy. There is a Bigger Picture here or maybe i should ask you, john, is there a Bigger Picture here about the resurgence of unions . As i looked at that, i remember being in the late 60s and early 70s, a girl who grew up in ohio where everybody i knew had some fascination with the plant. It almost seems like what were hearing from shawn fain and when you go to hollywood and look at their leadership too, i think we are at a critical moment for the future of unions. Do you see it that way in. Of course, no question. Like you, i grew up near union town, near kenosha, wisconsin, a uaw town for a better part of the century where the plant is now closed. Many decades of attacks on unions where they have been weakened and undermined in many ways and i think americans have woken up to the fact they need unions. Maybe not everybody will be a member, but as a country we need strong unions that can make strong demands, that helps members of the unions, it also peoples who may not be in a union. It did show 67 of approve of unions, 61 think they help the economy. But polsters were asked directly in the strike situation, where are you at . What do you think about that in they got a number of 75 for the union. People who dont approve of unions are excited about the strike. They feel good about it. Why is that . I think the answer is in ray broader sense there is a feeling in this moment if there are Working Class people that step up, if they go out on the picket line, there is a feeling of invigoration, someone is pushing back against an economy in which republicans are frustrated. Kwht president of the United States goes and joins the picket line, this becomes a pivot moment. Historians will write about today. This day will form the basis of chapters in history books. Chapters in history books, but will it be joe bidens chapter. Is my question. The polls have been brutal on joe biden on the economy. Can this help him turn the corner . Well, there is no such thing as a Silver Bullet in politics. You got to work at it. I worked on obama and folks were anxious of the economy back then as well. But biden has biden and Vice President harris have a story to tell about how they have been working for america. There is no Silver Bullet. Over the next couple of months, they have a story to tell about how they have been standing with the people of the country and fighting with the working people of this country and i think it will resonate. All the material right now is too early because they have to unpack. Today was a good step in the right direction. Where is the president going now . Well, the president is after he leaves michigan will be heading to california later on today for a series of fundraiser and events tomorrow as well as heading to arizona later this week for a speech about the threat to democracy following the gop debate. The video we were just seeing of President Biden and shawn fain as we watch that Motorcade Head to another location in michigan, it was extremely significant, but lets take a step back and think of how far we have come here in the last several days. The Biden Administration had talked about how they were sending some Administration Officials to help with negotiations. The Biden White House is essentially acting in some ways trying not to antagonize the auto companies, trying to not be involved closely in negotiations here. That has completely changed today with the full throated endorsement. Were on a bullhorn and President Biden<\/a> is set to do what no american president has done before. Walk the picket lines, in a conspicuous show of support for autoworkers and by extension with unions and middle class americans nationwide. It is a stark break from past president s and even bidens own strategy in past disputes. Were staying neutral, which is considered critical to steering negotiations. But the political opportunity here may have been just too good to pass up. President biden getting the chance to do three things at once, lock down votes in the must win state of michigan, boost its poll numbers among American Workers<\/a>, and launch a preemptive strike against donald trump who is set to meet with the same Union Workers<\/a> tomorrow. Gabe gutierrez is on the scene in wayne, michigan. John nichols is National Affairs<\/a> correspondent at the nation. And Cornell Belcher<\/a> is the democratic pollster, founder of Brilliant Corners Research<\/a> and msnbc political analyst. So, gabe, set the scene for us where you are. Reporter hi there, chris. Good afternoon. First, i want to talk about something that just happened a few minutes ago. Not sure if we have been able to turn the video around. President Biden Landing<\/a> here in michigan, on the tarmac, being greeted by uaw president shawn fain. A show of solidarity from the uaw president , which, over the past couple of weeks there had been some questioning about exactly how close the relationship was between the uaw and the white house. The Biden Administration<\/a> always saying that President Biden<\/a> does support Union Workers<\/a>, but early on in this strike, which is now 12 days old, there was some indication by the white house that they didnt really want to antagonize the Big Three Automakers<\/a> as you hear the horns in the background, people going through this main road here outside of the plant in wayne county, michigan. The president , again, expected to meet with autoworkers in just a short time expected to head to the picket line with the uaw president. This is a very politically sensitive topic for President Biden<\/a>, who, of course, considers himself the most pro Union President<\/a> , but there is some Political Risk<\/a> here because analysts warn if this strike drags on, it could cost the u. S. Economy billions of dollars. And according to recent nbc news polling, just 37 of registered voters approve of President Biden<\/a>s handling of the economy. When the president was asked yesterday whether he supported the unions demands with the Big Three Automakers<\/a>, he says i will always support the uaw. By the fact that hes here, basically very signaling his support, strong support, for Union Workers<\/a>, just as former President Trump<\/a> is also expected here in michigan tomorrow. Chris . John, you know the politics of labor unions as well as anyone. Give me your take on the significance of President Biden<\/a> making this unprecedented move, marching with the workers, and we see him now arriving and shaking hands with a few of the Union Workers<\/a>. It is hugely significant. Franklin roosevelt was thought of as the most pro labor president in history. Other democratic president s im going to interrupt you for a second. The president is on a megaphone. Lets listen. [ applause ] since 1973. Ill tell you what, first timive ever done it as president. The fact of the matter is that you guys, the uaw, made a lot of sacrifices, gave up a lot. And the companies were in trouble. Now theyre doing incredibly well. And guess what, you should be doing incredibly well too. [ cheers and applause ] stick with it. You deserve the significant raise you need and other benefits. Shawn fain, your president. [ applause ] all right. Good afternoon, uaw thank you i want to thank local 174. [ applause ] thank you to the leadership and director lloyd dickerson. [ applause ] youre all the reason were here. This is all about the membership. This site, it holds a Historic Place<\/a> in the history of our union and our country. This was part of the Arsenal Of Democracy<\/a> during world war ii. It is where they built the b24 liberator bomber. That bomber, they built one of those per hour when they were at their peak. It is what helped us win the war. So, today, 80 years later, we find ourselves here again, with the democracy. It is a different kind of democracy and different kind of war were fighting. Today, the enemy isnt some foreign country miles away, it is right here in our own area. It is corporate greed. And the weapon we produce to fight that enemy is the liberators, the true liberators, and so Working Class<\/a> people, all of you working your butts off, on those lines, that deliver great product for our companies. Thats right. Thats how we are going to defeat these people thats how were going to defeat corporate greed is by standing together. [ cheers and applause ] this is a historic moment, the first time in our countrys history that a sitting u. S. President has came out and stood on the picket line [ cheers and applause ] our president chose to stand up with workers in our fight for economic and Social Justice<\/a>. [ applause ] also a historic day, historic moment in time. It is about the autoworkers who are part of the fabric of the Working Class<\/a> of this country. Were the people that make the world run. It is not the billionaire class. Not the elite few. It is the Working Class<\/a> of the billions of people who have been left behind. Thats what this battle is about. Changing that. You know what is going to move this is not some executive that owns our future. It is us. It is Working Class<\/a> people from all walks of life. It is what we decide to do together that is going to change it, shape the future of this earth and for future generations. And thats the economic reality that Corporate Executives<\/a> dont want us to recognize. Trying to justify a system where they take all the profit and the workers are left to fight for the scraps and live paycheck to paycheck. Thats got to end. They say they deserve all the profit because they say theyre different. You know what, they are different, they have different degrees, they have different responsibilities, they have different titles, different positions. You know what, i agree, though, theyre different, we just talk about some of that. These ceos sit in their offices, sit in meetings and make decisions. But we make the product [ cheers and applause ] they think they own the world, but we make it run. [ cheers and applause ] the ceos think the future belongs to them. Today belongs to the autoworkers and the Working Class<\/a> [ cheers and applause ] and the difference between them and us, solidarity forever, without our brain and muscle, not a single wheel would turn. Thats whats different about Working Class<\/a> people. Whether were Building Cars<\/a> or trucks or running Parts Distribution<\/a> centers, whether were writing for movies or tv shows, whether were making coffee at starbucks, whether it is nursing people back to health, whether it is educating students from preschool to college, we do the heavy lifting, we do the real work. Not the ceos. Not the executives. [ cheers and applause ] and though we dont know it, thats what power is. We have the power. The world is of our making. The economy is of our making. This industry is of our making. And as we showed, when we withhold our labor, we can unmake it. Thats what were going to continue to show when we win this fight with the big three, were going to remake it. [ applause ] in this union, the members are the highest authority. In this country, the people are the highest authority. And so today i want to take a moment to stand with all of you, with our president , and say thank you to the president. Thank you, mr. President , for coming. [ cheers and applause ] thank you for coming to stand up with us in our generations defining moment. And we know the president will do right by the Working Class<\/a>, and when we do right by the Working Class<\/a>, you can leave the rest to us. Were going to take care of this business. Thank you for coming out. Thank you for being part of this fight. And lets get back to winning solidarity for all of our members and economic and Social Justice<\/a> for all of our members. [ cheers and applause ] wall street didnt build the country, the middle class built the country. Lets keep going. You deserve what you earned and you earned more than what you get paid now. Thank you very much. [ cheers and applause ] the president of the United States<\/a>, we have never seen anything like this before. But he earned the nickname union joe when it comes at a politically fraught time for joe biden, make no mistake about that. But this is different in the sense that this is clearly not a president working behind the scenes, trying to see what he can do to get two sides together to reach a deal. This is a president who said unequivocally, you save the Auto Industry<\/a> to those Front Line Workers<\/a> and the companies are doing incredibly well, you should be doing incredibly well. Let me go back to you, john, if i can, you heard what the president of the uaw shawn fain had to say. He said, this is a generation defining moment. Talk about that and the significance of this president going here now. It is very interesting that president shawn fain took the mic and gave a very strong speech there, in many ways saying more than what the president said, but drawing the president into this message, and the core message is that we have for a very, very long time in this country had a circumstance where ceos made an awfully lot more than workers. To some extent, thats understood. You get to 40 or 50 or 100 or 200 times what a worker makes, there seems to be an inequality there, an injustice. What i think fain was pointing to is reality we could come into a moment where ceos and investors are not paid as much and workers are not paid a lot more. Thats kind of The Deep Division<\/a> at this point. And what is interesting is that joe biden came and appears to be getting very good reception here from a union that has not yet endorsed him. He said you deserve what you earned. And also talked about you made this industry, you made this happen. And so that combination of what fain is saying as a union leader and what biden is saying, it really is a powerful moment. We have never, ever seen a president , democrat or republican, do what joe biden has just done. That was joe biden, cornell, in his element. The very last appearance he made before Election Night<\/a> and i was there in pennsylvania was a union hall. He thrives in that setting. Having said that, i wonder if it is the messaging of the uaw president that will take this and put it in the political realm if he wants to put it in, which is so show himself as the fighter for the Working Class<\/a> what we heard shawn fain say, you know, this is about social and economic justice. They make decisions, we make the product. He also used a phrase, corporate greed, speaking to what john said, that when you have this kind of disparity, a lot of Traditional Democratic<\/a> voters respond to it. Is there any downside for this president making this unprecedented move . I dont see a lot of downside. It really is historic. The uaw saved the Auto Industry<\/a>. They did. When the Auto Industry<\/a> was flat on its back, the workers gave up a lot to help the Auto Industry<\/a> get back on its feet. Now that the Auto Industry<\/a> is back on its feet, what theyre saying is we want a share in the profits too. And to lean into the point being made earlier, look, we have we have seen a middle class shrink as a top 3 , 4 that grow their wealth. The uaw is saying, you know, we are the workers and we want to benefit from the work we put into it. The Auto Industry<\/a> is now profitable and we, the workers, want to benefit that. When you counter oppose that with what republicans are saying on the campaign trail, senator from South Carolina<\/a> said the other day, you know, if the workers go on strike, fire them, right . Thats a hard contrast to show you who is on the side of working people and who is on the side of corporate america. Right now, three in four americans support the uaw negotiations. It is a clear contrast of who is on the side of the American Workers<\/a> and who is on the side of big corporations. In this political space right now, you want to be on the side of the workers. Let me show the numbers. We have a graphic to what you referenced, cornell, the poll found that 67 of americans approve of labor unions generally and this is a record high, 61 say unions help rather than hurt the economy. There is a Bigger Picture<\/a> here or maybe i should ask you, john, is there a Bigger Picture<\/a> here about the resurgence of unions . As i looked at that, i remember being in the late 60s and early 70s, a girl who grew up in ohio where everybody i knew had some fascination with the plant. It almost seems like what were hearing from shawn fain and when you go to hollywood and look at their leadership too, i think we are at a critical moment for the future of unions. Do you see it that way in. Of course, no question. Like you, i grew up near union town, near kenosha, wisconsin, a uaw town for a better part of the century where the plant is now closed. Many decades of attacks on unions where they have been weakened and undermined in many ways and i think americans have woken up to the fact they need unions. Maybe not everybody will be a member, but as a country we need strong unions that can make strong demands, that helps members of the unions, it also peoples who may not be in a union. It did show 67 of approve of unions, 61 think they help the economy. But polsters were asked directly in the strike situation, where are you at . What do you think about that in they got a number of 75 for the union. People who dont approve of unions are excited about the strike. They feel good about it. Why is that . I think the answer is in ray broader sense there is a feeling in this moment if there are Working Class<\/a> people that step up, if they go out on the picket line, there is a feeling of invigoration, someone is pushing back against an economy in which republicans are frustrated. Kwht president of the United States<\/a> goes and joins the picket line, this becomes a pivot moment. Historians will write about today. This day will form the basis of chapters in history books. Chapters in history books, but will it be joe bidens chapter. Is my question. The polls have been brutal on joe biden on the economy. Can this help him turn the corner . Well, there is no such thing as a Silver Bullet<\/a> in politics. You got to work at it. I worked on obama and folks were anxious of the economy back then as well. But biden has biden and Vice President<\/a> harris have a story to tell about how they have been working for america. There is no Silver Bullet<\/a>. Over the next couple of months, they have a story to tell about how they have been standing with the people of the country and fighting with the working people of this country and i think it will resonate. All the material right now is too early because they have to unpack. Today was a good step in the right direction. Where is the president going now . Well, the president is after he leaves michigan will be heading to california later on today for a series of fundraiser and events tomorrow as well as heading to arizona later this week for a speech about the threat to democracy following the gop debate. The video we were just seeing of President Biden<\/a> and shawn fain as we watch that Motorcade Head<\/a> to another location in michigan, it was extremely significant, but lets take a step back and think of how far we have come here in the last several days. The Biden Administration<\/a> had talked about how they were sending some Administration Officials<\/a> to help with negotiations. The Biden White House<\/a> is essentially acting in some ways trying not to antagonize the auto companies, trying to not be involved closely in negotiations here. That has completely changed today with the full throated endorsement. Were on a bullhorn and President Biden<\/a> just had talking side we side, shoulder to shoulder, with the waw workers. Shawn fain said several weeks ago when we were leading up to this strike, the president said he didnt know if it was going to happen. There appeared to be some distance between the uaw and the Biden Administration<\/a> at that point. Completely changed, just in the past few moments as he just saw live right here on msnbc President Biden<\/a> standing with autoworkers there, even last yesterday the White House Press<\/a> secretary Karine Jeanpierre<\/a> when i asked was he standing with the autoworkers at the expense of auto companies, she wouldnt go there and said basically he always supported the uaw but she wanted to come out and antagonize the auto companies. The uaw seems closer to a deal with ford. Gm and stellantis very far apart. This is a very significant moment we saw unfold, right there, in the last few months. As you say, Standing Shoulder<\/a> to shoulder and shaking hands. Gabe gutierrez, john nichols, thank you. Cornell belcher, youre back later on in the hour. In what the uaw calls a shameful barely veiled threat to cut jobs, ford announced it will stop construction of a plant just west of where the president was today. The plant was supposed to employ 2500 workers. 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Ali, is any of the pressure being felt on the hill . Where do things stand now . Reporter there always has been pressure on this situation, chris. But the pressure doesnt apply in terms of moving those hardliners that have really been a thorn in the side of Republican Leadership<\/a> this entire time. At least in talking to Speaker Mccarthy<\/a> today, hes continued to not just sound notes of optimism, but also hes been vague about whether or not he actually thinks he has the votes to move forward, first on the four specific Spending Bills<\/a> that theyll try to move forward on today, and then those four bills are supposed to be sort of a down payment of sorts on goodwill with those hardliners and his conference that would allow him to move on to a continuing resolution, which is effectively a measure that would buy them more time. 30 or 45 days to get the rest of those Spending Bills<\/a> in order. You remember, we count to 12 on the appropriations front. Today, we would be watching them vote on rules for four of them. Theyre critically important bills. You saw what they were relating to, Homeland Security<\/a> and others. But it is an open question whether or not they actually have the votes for those rules. I asked the speaker that. He sort of demurred on an answer. We have seen rules go down before. It is rare. Mccarthy saw that last week in an embarrassing moment here that caused them to recalibrate on the path forward. Hard to overstate the stakes here, carlos. Number one, does the government keep operating, do millions of people keep getting paychecks. And also, can Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> survive . What does he do . Well, chris, thats right. The squeeze is on. Mccarthy is facing all of this pressure from the hard right. Hes been facing this pressure since day one on his speakership before they denied him his speakership 14 times before finally relenting. And now the senate is getting ready to move. Once the senate moves, chris, thats really going to turn the pressure on mccarthy because hes going to have to decide if hes going to try to keep appeasing these hardliners who seem determined to shut down the government, now they have been egged on by donald trump, or is he going to turn to House Democrats<\/a> as he did during the Debt Ceiling Debate<\/a> and ask them for their votes to pass a clean cr that the hardliners would staunchly oppose and could react by threatening his speakership by filing a motion to vacate the chair. The squeeze is on. I would say mccarthy doesnt know whats going to happen today. He really hasnt known what is going to happen throughout this whole process because some of these hardliners make it seem like theyre willing to negotiate, only to vote against rules on the house floor, which as ali said, is very rare, but becoming more and more common under republican majorities. So the stakes for him are real and i also want to talk about the real world consequences, which are so close now. Youve been talking to veterans. What are they telling you . This is always one of the areas of concern here because troop pay is impacted by things like government shutdowns. But also, shutdowns cause new problems, but they also exacerbate problems that already exist like this one. Watch. We started advocating for this va clinic in 2003. Reporter it took tino more than two decades to get a new va clinic in his hometown of stockton, california. I used to go to meetings and started joking about hopefully well open up before were pushing up daisies. Reporter but it is not just about getting a new facility. We need the clinic to open with doctors fully staffed. Reporter this rural community, an hour from san francisco, falls prey to a national trend. Veterans struggling to Access Healthcare<\/a> because there arent enough providers to see them. We have the longest wait times anywhere in california. If youre in stockton, you have to wait 80 or 90 days, 100 days. If i talk to a veteran recently who wasnt able to get a refill on his diabetes medication, he ended up losing his leg. He says here the number of working Primary Care Physicians<\/a> has been cut in half just this year alone. As of 2022, more than 2500 Va Facilities<\/a> face severe occupational shortages. A 22 increase from a year before. The resulting backlog, wait times and rarely returned inquiries are why dozens of veterans and caregivers packed into this town hall in a friday afternoon here. My husband, hes a vietnam vet. Hes 100 disabled. Reporter before the coronavirus pandemic, her husbands care was consistent. Youve seen the system can work. It worked very well. And then when covid happened, everything just changed. Every call or concern was never answer answered. Reporter youre playing a game of telephone with your husbands healthcare. Yes. Were here to help you today. Were here to help you monday, tuesday, whenever. Reporter and theyre petitioning the administration in washington to help. But an action from congress could make this worse. What does it town hall have to do with the Government Funding<\/a> fight . I think this is a little bit of a canary in the coal mine. Not only is it not going to fix it, it is going to make it a lot worse. Reporter in the meantime. The government promised one thing, but it does not reporter tino uses the word heart breaking because hes someone who served his country and expected that promise to be upheld, especially when it comes to healthcare. There is also the reality we know impact of government shutdowns, but it also is a thwarting of people trying to make policy. The congressman in that piece, the local congressman there, is not just trying to pressure the va by writing letters. Hes also trying to add an amendment into the Va Appropriations Package<\/a> that would allow them to study the issue of position shortages. You cant solve a problem without understanding its scope. The longer the spending packages take, a lot of policy falls by the way side that could be helping people. And carlos, veterans and those stories are horrific. Some losing their leg because they cant get medication, thats outrageous. There are all kinds of federal workers across the country. I want to play a bit of sound who says shes getting increasingly stressed out about this looming deadline. It will be a huge impact, not into the workers here, but into our own lives, the personal lives. I have experience through the 2018 shutdown and that was a partial shutdown. So it was very high stress, high anxiety of not knowing whether we were going to get paid. Every day americans are going to be forced to pay the price if there is this shutdown. Do you think democrats are right to be confident or overly confident that voters will punish republicans 14 months from now . Chris, recently Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> reminded republicans that shutting down the government is a political loser during my time in congress, the government was shut down on a couple of occasions. The party that provoked the shutdown always paid the price. Ironically the mccarthy is trying to marry the issue of Border Security<\/a> with shutting the government down and certainly there are a lot of americans who are sympathetic to republican arguments on the border, however they dont support Holding Government<\/a> hostage in order to address another issue. They know it doesnt work that way, you cant just force your way in congress. Democrats led an immigration related shutdown in the past too. This is why Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> is jumping through all kinds of hoops to avoid it but it will be difficult as we get close to the deadline. Ali vitali and carlos curbelo, to be continued, thank you, both, so much. It is all moving very fast now. Against bob menendez. At this hour, 18 of his fellow Democratic Senators<\/a> are calling for him to resign following his indictment on bribery and fraud charges. Look at all the senators who say menendez needs to step down including notably his fellow new jersey senator cory booker who stood by menendez when he faced separate charges earlier. Mennens did he is expected back on the hill today after defiantly denying he traded political favors for gifts including cash, gold bars and a luxury car. We have Breaking News<\/a> just in, a January 6th Rioter<\/a> was just sentenced moments ago in a washington, d. C. Courtroom. How much time he will spend behind bars and what put him there. How Donald Trumps<\/a> lawyers are fighting against the request for a gag order in the former president s interelection interference case. Youre watching Chris Jansing<\/a> reports only on msnbc. 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After his sentencing after his conviction in april, i spoke with him immediately after the verdict and he was explaining to me how he thought he could arrest nancy pelosi and what he wanted to arrest her for. Take a listen. Any person has a right to arrest anyone if they see them committing a crime or if they have knowledge of them committing a crime. What were you going to arrest nancy pelosi for . Suspicion of knowing. Suspicion of what . Suspicion of knowing about the election interference, yeah. Reporter so during this sentencing hearing, he was very defiant with the judge. Interrupted her a dozen times, probably more than two dozen. And was saying that his way of protecting the capitol, quote, that day was by arresting the traitors and saying that arresting traitors wouldnt protect the capitol, so thats what he was proclaiming during the sentencing. The judge ultimately Sentenced Ed Battalion<\/a> to less what prosecutors wanted. His codefendant, one of his codefendants drove a stun gun into an officers neck. The judge saying that a lower range would be more applicable, sentencing him to 51 months in federal prison or a bit over four years ultimately. Hell be out of commission for at least the next the next president ial election. Donald trump said he would pardon many if not all january 6th defendants, more than 1,100 at this point. Thats all going to be were all going to have to see what happens down the line with that as this january 6th Investigation Continues<\/a> to roll on. Chris . Ryan reilly at the courthouse, thank you for that. With the heated and detailed filing, lawyers for donald trump argued the narrow gag o requested by the Special Counsel<\/a> is an attempt to muzzle trump they say prosecutors are using inflammatory rhetoric, violating longstanding rules of prosecutorial ethics. While jack smiths original filing argues that it is trumps disparaging and inflammatory social media attacks that have led to threats of violence and that could intimidate jurors and others. Ken dilanian is following this story for us. Carol lam is a former federal prosecutor and former judge and msnbc legal analyst. So, ken, this ruling could have a Significant Impact<\/a> on trump, on the campaign, on the case. Tell us more about what we know about trumps lawyers arguments. It could, chris. This could be one of the most consequential pretrial rulings in any of them because it could have a huge impact on what he can say and has been saying on social media, in terms of criticizing prosecutors, judges and witnesses against him. As you said, prosecutors cited trumps history of disparaging people involved in the case in their request for this limited gag order. Saying that trump is trying to undermine the trial and improperly influence the jury pool. So theyre asking the judge to prohibit him and his surrogates from making statements about the identity, testimony or credibility of Perspective Witnesses<\/a> and disparaging and inflammatory or intimidating statements about any party, witness, attorney, Court Personnel<\/a> or potential jurors. So, trumps attorneys are pushing back hard saying it would subvert the First Amendment<\/a> and silence the gop frontrunner for president ial election. Thats according to a new statement by his legal spokeswoman. His lawyers wrote in a filing last night that the prosecution may not like President Trump<\/a>s entirely valid criticisms, them, but neither it nor this court are the filter for what the public may hear. Those lawyers added, lets be clear, the prosecution hopes to create a Contempt Trap<\/a> for President Trump<\/a> and his attorneys, and they added that it is absurd to suggest the prosecution and the court are intimidated by critical social media posts. But in her own filing, prosecutors pointed out that unstable people have heeded trumps words. There was the texas woman arrested for phoning in Death Threats<\/a> to judge tanya chutkans chambers. It is likely this ruling will be appealed, perhaps all the way to the supreme court, which may have to balance a president ial candidates right to speak with the judicial systems interest in preventing criminal defendants from trying to improperly influence a potential jury. Yeah. I want to pick up on what he said, carol, because ill read this from the times the way they reported the incident. One day after the former president wrote an online post in august saying if you go after me, im coming after you judge chutkan received a voice mail message from a woman who threatened to kill her. That woman has since been arrested. So, look, judge chutkan knows the potential impact of this kind of rhetoric. But in a legal sense, what will she have to consider in making this decision . Right, chris. Judge chutkan is going to have to come out with an order, if she decides to issue an order, that hues very closely to the facts that have taken place here. This isnt going to be an order she just pulls out of thin air and decides to keep the former president from saying anything he wants. Both the prosecutor in this case and the judge have said you got some rights to talk about things, but you cannot make Ad Homonym Attacks<\/a> against the participants in the trial and the potential jurors. And i think any Appellate Court<\/a> is going to look at the circumstances here to weigh what the judges order says against what has actually happened here and that example of a Woman Calling<\/a> and threatening the judge is a good example. There is actually a federal law that says that you cannot with intent to influence a juror or a participant in a federal trial, you cant petition or lobby or have sound trucks outside their residences. So there is some precedent for balancing this First Amendment<\/a> balancing this First Amendment<\/a> against the administration of justice. I think ken is right. This is likely to be appealed then well have more guidance going forward. So the judge in the Fulton County<\/a> case has ordered the identities of jurors have to stay secret. No photos, no videos, no identifying descriptions and no audio from jurors until the verdict. Theyll allow the jury foremen to read that on audio only. Do you think this, or how far maybe do you think this will go in allaying concerns of Potential Jury Jurors<\/a> and wh do you make about the growing number of people who are needing around the clock protection . It seems to have gotten out of hand. The legal system and laws havent really kept up with technology, social media. Those types of things. The law is talking about bringing sound trucks outside of peoples houses. Thats not the way generally now people are disparaged. Theyre disparaged on social media. So i dont think its surprising that the judge has said theres going to be no disclosure of juror identities. Thats actually not that uncommon because you certainly dont want jurors who are hearing a case being socalled docks or having communications with others, whether they want to or not. Its a very dangerous situation. I think thats why were seeing this order and my understanding is the parties didnt even object to it. If youre doing jury selection, could you as a potential juror, say look, ive seen what happened. Whats happened. Ive seen how this, how being a part of this has disrupted lives. I dont want any part of it. Is this a reason to be dismissed as a potential juror . The jurors then questioned by the judge then by the parties to really decide whether the juror has a real fear for their safety or whether they frankly just dont want to do the jury duty. If the juror expresses such concern that he or she isnt able to sit without being distracted out of concern for their safety, yeah, theyll probably be excused by the judge. Carol, ken, thank you both. Meantime, a texas man is lucky to be alive today. His neighbor who is an off duty Highway Patrolman<\/a> shot him through a closed door thinking he was an intruder. It happened early monday morning in houston near the astros ballpark. Police say the patrolman asked the man to leave several times then fired a single shot, striking him in the shoulder. The 35yearold victim has not been identified and is expected to survive. Houston police and the Texas Rangers<\/a> are now investigating. Up next, the new first of its Kind Research<\/a> about life with long covid that could give millions of americans a new sense of hope. Youre watching Chris Jansing<\/a> reports only on msnbc. S jansing reports only on msnbc. Tech cracked windshield on your new car . Bring it to safelite. 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