>> wow, at maine, first of all, the phrase neal katyal at burning man. you had me at. that >> that's a. show >> you throw an a trump attack, i mean, i need to know more, lawrence. i'll be watching. >> a phrase, the trump codefendant used, was, he called it a neo-pagan ritual. which i think every good conjure is. >> yes, and that is an accurate description of burning man. >> ukoniq audit, yeah. >> right, for once, a trump defendant. >> we also have sheldon whitehouse with us on the not he actually filed an official ethics complaint with the supreme court. that's going to be really we're hearing about. >> indeed, what he's doing is important or for a democracy. >> thanks, alex. >> have a good show. >> thank you. well, if the general who commanded donald trump's army gets twin in two years in federal prison for what he did on general sixth, what does the commander in chief of donald trump's army get if he is found guilty? that is the question that donald trump's own defense lawyers are thinking about tonight and breaking news that the leader of the so-called proud boys was sentenced to 22 years for his leadership of what prosecutors called donald trump's army. on january 6th. when enrique tarrio completes his to two year sentence, he will be one year away from eligibility for social security, retirement benefits. unless republicans have raised the retirement age in the meantime. the 39-year-old, enrique tarrio, will not be earning any social security credits while in prison and he can be absolutely sure donald trump won't be around to help out. when enrique tarrio gets out of prison. today, cuban american enrique tarrio from florida got the longest sentence ever given to someone who committed crimes for the president of the united states. two of the five men convicted in the 1972 order kate burglary to help president richard nixon were right-wing cuban americans like enrique tarrio. they were sentenced to 1 to 4 years and served 14 months and 15 months. enrique tarrio has already served more prison time than that in his criminal past. he served 16 months in federal prison beginning in 2013, after that he became an informer, or help investigators prosecute his former associates. tonight, if there's anyone out there still foolishly colin himself a proud boy who has not yet been accused of crimes, don't be surprised if enrique tarrio testifies against you someday. and the hope of reducing his 22 year sentence. prosecutors ask for enhancements to tarrio's sentence, including a terrorism enhancement they told the judgment tarrio should be sentenced to 33 years in prison. judge timothy kelly recognized the technical electability of the terrorism enhancement. judge kelly decided not to at that to the sentence. judge kelly served as an assistant u.s. attorney in the district of columbia for ten years. then worked as a litigator and a measure washington law firm. he doesn't pick up a member of the federalist society 12 years after graduating from law school. and then he had the easiest possible ride to confirmation as a federal judge after serving on the staff of the senate judiciary committee as a counsel to republican chairman of the committee, chuck grassley. chairman grassley got kelly known as a federal judge in the fourth month of the trump presidency. his confirmation sailed through the judiciary committee with a unanimous vote and got enough votes on the senate floor. judge kelly had to know that if donald trump were to win the next presidential election, judge kelly would have absolutely no chance of being elevated by donald trump to the supreme court or the court of appeals, after issuing a 22 year sentence to the leader of donald trump's army. no future republican president is likely to reward judge kelly with a promotion. and sell, in a sense, judge kelly also sentenced himself today to a career it's a federal district judge who will probably never be promoted. in fact, most federal district charges are never promoted. there are simply aren't enough appeals openings to allow for that. and very few federal judges ever have to make a decision that they know will and even the theoretical possibility of being promoted. judge kelly did that today. you can spend a lifetime in the federal courts and never see that happen. but this is the age of trump, full of things you've never seen before. also today, there was a mystery followed by special prosecutor jack smith and the case of united states all of america versus donald trump. the motion could not say publicly what it is actually about. quote, because the motion first to sensitive materials. donald trump's criminal defense lawyers opposed chex mix motion. chex mix motion says that the trump lawyers were trying to, quote, current litigation in this case to a halt, which is particularly in feasible given the pressing matter is before the court, including the defendants daily extrajudicial statements that threaten to prejudice the jury pull in this case, as described in the government's motion. so we do know that the motion we have not been allowed to see does contain sensitive materials, and a description of, quote, the defendants daily extrajudicial statement that threaten to prejudice a jury pole in this case. judge tanya chutkan gave the defense lowers a tone of monday, september 11th, to file a secret motion in opposition and gave check smith a ton of september 13th to file his response, secretly to the defendants secret motion. tomorrow, we might learn a lot, publicly. a lot about how the georgia prosecution of donald trump and his 18 codefendants might eventually be organized. the georgia judge assigned to the case, scott mcafee, will hold a hearing at one pm tomorrow on the motions by to co defendants to sever their cases from the rest of the defense. the two co defendants seeking to sever their cases are attorney kenneth chesebro and attorney sydney powell. to both sides and the case, judge mike if he wrote he intends to ask the district attorney fani willis to provide, quote, a good faith estimate of the time reasonably anticipated to present the states case during a joint trial of all 19 codefendants, and alternatively any divisions thereof, including the number of witnesses likely to be called and the number and size of exhibits likely to be introduced. leading off our discussion tonight is andrew weissman, former fbi general counsel -- he's a professor of practice at and what you law school, and the host of the prosecuting donald trump podcast. also with us neal katyal, a former acting solicitor general and professor at georgetown law. he is the host of the podcast, courtside with neal katyal. they are both msnbc legal analysts. we will discuss burning man, neil, in the next segment. we won't have andrew suffer that, because i know how jealousy is about not haven't been able to be there himself. >> andrews already said he's coming next year. >> we are going to hold -- burning man gets its own segment, the neo-pagan ritual, we'll hear your defense in the next segment. but andrew, let's begin with what we saw in that sentencing today. 22 years for the person who was doing the work for donald trump, who was committing crimes for donald trump. we've only seen people sentenced to prison for committing crimes for republican presidents. only two of. tim and here we have to because whenever. if you're donald trump's defense counsel, you have to think about what kinds of pressures will be on judges and these cases against donald trump, if he is found guilty. nald trump, if he>> absolutely. this is an incredibly long sentence. but notably, to your point, lawrence. this is somebody who is a leader of a group and he is not personally present ungenerous sixth. now a manchin, having a conversation with a client, donald trump. that's somebody who is the leader, for whom all of this was taking place. who was also not personally present at the capitol, although he wanted to be at the capitol. and i think that the pressure that the judges will feel, who have seen so many people go to jail, rightly for the participation on january 6th, the idea that donald trump wouldn't do at least as much time as the leaders of the oath keepers and the proud boys, to me, seems unimaginable. because that's what the law would require. i think this is a real sign of what's to come if donald trump is convicted. honestly, that is something, he is presumed innocent at this point. the government has to prove a case beyond reasonable doubt to meghan a mystery. but the judge has scheduled this for march, signs are this will go, and in terms of those people who think that it is unlikely judge chutkan would send to donald trump to jail, i think this is a real sign that that is not the case. i find it very unlikely that judge chutkan will not view this as required by the rule of law, that somebody and donald trump's position, regardless of political party, regardless of politics, would need to be sentenced to at least as much time. >> neal, we have donald trump facing a three similar prosecution to what tarrio faced, in the same court has, with a different judge. we just so a judge give 22 years. judge chutkan may, if there's a guilty verdict in this case, she will have that responsibility. whether it is present or some very, very strict version of home confinement, because of the publication of the former president, secret service protection, what it does. it just seems like, as andrea said, the pressure this puts on how the recent judges, and this was a trump judge. and it was a trudge appointed judge, who issued the sentence today, no one had issued peace and among other things would kind of pressure, it would put on the possible sentencing of defendant trump. >> yeah, i think this is the longest sentence yet in the january 6th investigation, lawrence. it is more than any prior sentence. and the effect it was handed out by the judge, if it's respected but very conservative judge, i think it tells you a lot. we shouldn't be surprised, lawrence, there's admitted kristen is on this. this is about as serious as a crime exists in the federal coat. so it should get the 22 years. but now, for judge chutkan, i think andrea's point is exactly the right. one -- gets 22 year sentence, what should the sentence be for the leader of the leader? and it's got to be 22 years plus, i think you're right lawrence to say it might not be served in jail, maybe some home confinement operation or something differently secret service complexities, but even there they are not sure about that. but that is an asterisk. at the end of the day, i mean, if it's appropriate to me that one of the prominent leaders of this right gets a serious and lengthy conviction, it underscores the need to secure a conviction and lumpy tennis for the ultimate theater of the efforts to undermine our democracy. andrew weissmann, turning to the trump case on this very issue, jack smith props prosecution on washington d.c.. on the january six charges or more what can you, make if anything, of what's going on in the secret filing that we just saw one piece of it today. in which jack smith's motion says, i can't really say with this is about. what is your theory about what's going on here. >> well, the thing that was unusual to me, they're on a serious skirmish-ing by trump council. what the government said was that there is a procedural order, that the court has entered and the parties agreed to, where if sensitive material is referenced in a filing, that filing initially has to be made under seal. so, that's what the court, that's what the government did. they had a filing that referred to sensitive material, they explained because of that, the rules say it has to be filed under seal. and donald trump objective, presumably what the government hiding, they want to be transparent, it all seems crazy to me. because that's like speaking to the court of public opinion. it seems like a needless fight to have with this judge. the other part of the filing that was interesting, the government did take an opportunity to remind the judge, which i'm sure she's aware of, that they put in the record, that donald trump continues to make inflammatory statements that could prejudice the jury. so, there clearly way laying the groundwork for future action by the court if this continues. >> neil, them the piece of the motion that it become public, referred to donald trump's extrajudicial comments as something that's in the secret motion, along with the sensitive materials. given, as andrew points out, there is a pre-existing order about how to handle any motion with sensitive materials. why is judge chutkan, why would judge chutkan add to this time period here. she's basically throwing an extra week on to a process that her original orders already described how it should be handled. >> yeah, but i think with this motion, at least the part of, it lawrence, we're all guessing because we can't read it all, but i think what this motion is about is what andrew said at the end. this appears to be a warning by jack smith, and i'm really glad to see it, that there is a filing by him that says, defendants don't behave this way. you don't get to attack prosecutors. you don't get to tack witnesses. you don't get to attack judges. and try to poison the jury pool. judge chutkan has already indicated, the best remedy, if trump is gonna do that, is to speed the trial timetable up. and make sure that that trial happens well before the 24th election. that, of course, is trump's nightmare scenario. he's scared like heck that he's gonna actually have to face a jury of his peers before the election. so, when i read this motion, it's basically a shot across the bow by jack smith, at least, again, the part that we can read, that says, look, this guy is really stepping on your order. we're not necessarily, again, the parts we can read, asking for anything at this point. but we're going to if this behavior continues. no defendant behaves this way. >> andrew weissmann, one pm tomorrow, and judge mcafee's georgia courtroom could be the most revealing hearing yet in district attorney willis's prosecution, the judge is gonna ask her for a realistic description of how she would handle the trial with all 19 defendants in the room together. or how she would handle it in organized in the subdivided version of that. two defendants in one trial, six defendants in another trial. whatever. and how many witnesses there might be in each one of those different sub divided possible versions of the trial. this could be the most revealing look into fani willis 's plans or her capabilities in bringing this prosecution. >> absolutely. on the one hand, we have this removal proceeding, and so, that's one thing you have to keep an eye on as to one or more of these cases will go federal. in the same hand, on the other hand, you have what's going on in the state court, whether there will be one trial of 19 people. and when that will go, whether it will be october, for instance, whether it's gonna be much later. so, it will be quite revealing as to what the judge wants to do. i mean, my own view, it's kind of nuts, that's the legal term, for the idea of trying 19 people together. i think that's actually something that's not great for the prosecution. but it's unclear exactly how the state court judge is going to divide this. we do have two defendants, as you mentioned. ms. powell and mr. chesbrough, who wants to go on october. however, they don't want to go together, i doubt that will happen. you don't really get to choose exactly who your codefendants are. but exactly how the state will say they want to try the case, and how the judge will carve it up, at the state level, is still very much an open question. and we'll probably get some idea tomorrow, that the judge may not rule on that. so, it's a little bit of three dhs, we have to see how the state judges general in this, and then we have to wait what can happen with the removal petition. because some part of the case, or a huge part of the case, may go federal. so, lots to be waiting for in terms of how this gets tried. >> even if it does go federal, or some of it goes federal, what district ernie willis says tomorrow about the way she would organize a divided prosecution will tell us a certain amount about how it might work on the federal version of the trial to. andrew weissmann, thank you very much for helping start off our discussion tonight. neil katya, please stay with us. after the break, we hope you can explain what you are doing this weekend at what one trump codefendant calls a neo-pagan ritual. neil, we're gonna get a couple of minutes to think it over. if there's and that you want to confess, well, you'll handle it the way you handle. we'll be right back with neal katyal. with nea katyal ♪ i have type 2 diabetes, but i manage it well. ♪ ♪ jardiance ♪ ♪ it's a little pill with a big story to 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pray that these folks come to the light and realize that the only path is through and to our lord. we are all fallen, and need god. and to repent as a nation. none of us have fallen as far as jeffrey clark has fallen. and if defendant clark is convicted, a judge will decide exactly how long, and exactly where, defendant clerk will repent. neal katyal is back with us and safely back from burning man. neil, you have the floor. neo-pagan ritual from an attack from jeffrey clark's quite remarkable. but please. we are willing to hear your defense, if you have one. >> first of all, i think jeff clark was a key participant, lawrence, in one of the most neo-pagan rituals of all, which is worshipping donald trump. and you'd think that's a guy who simultaneously facing disbarment, state criminal charges, and the possibility of additional federal charges, might have something better to do than to troll people, frankly, to troll people poorly, online. i guess, you know, in a way, i feel for him. he's under an enormous strain of criminal indictment. and if i could advise him i'd say, look, you're in a hole. stop digging. but i realize it's kind of futile, that's the kind of behavior that landed him in jail in georgia in the first place. so, you know, part of ageist thinks jeffrey clark is upset that he couldn't attend burning man himself. because he's too busy turning himself into the fulton county jail. but on a more serious note, i've heard this garbage my whole life, lawrence. go home. go back to where you came from. pray to the one true god, lord, that kind of stuff. i've also seen the other side of that. i point i've been to a catholic school in chicago, we never heard that kind of garbage there. i'll tell you swear people respected my faith and respected the other faiths. and when i was at the justice department, that was certainly the mission of the department for everyone there. i remember for example, the westboro church came in to talk to us. that is supreme court case. that was a religion about as far away from mine that i can imagine. we listen to them respect. we gave them their time. we took what they said seriously as the arguments warranted. we didn't do this kind of stuff. you know, this guy is not just a constitutional menace. he's also a criminal. you know, at the end of this, i guess i'd invite mr. clerk to attend burning men next year to see what it's about. but i have a strong suspicion he might not be allowed to leave the state of georgia by next summer. >> neil katya, thank you for two things, the report from burning man. and that thing about putting the plastic bags on before you put the socks on for merging the. all those hopeful details. but also, for revealing to be something i did not know. which is jeffrey clark's on twitter. mice like most people on twitter, i had no idea. now, i'm a faithful follower. >> you probably don't, lawrence, the guy blocks everyone the minute i responded to him, he blocked me and started tweeting all the stuff at me which i've been able to read it. >> all right, i gotta check if i'm blocked. i did follow me yesterday. as soon as i saw this twitter menace from him. neil katya, thank you very much for joining us. we really appreciate it. i hope you can provoke more out of defendant clerk. >> thank you so much, lawrence. >> thank you, neil. >> senator sheldon whitehouse sent an ethics complaint against supreme court justice samuel alito to chief justice john roberts. senator whitehouse joins us next. next to learn about my family's history. finding military information, newspaper articles, how many people were living in the house and where it was, makes me curious and keeps pulling me in and the photos reminding me of what life must have been like for them. finding out new bits of information about the family has been a wonderful experience, it's an important part of understanding who we are. i brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! uuuhhhh... here, i'll take that! woohoo! ensure max protein, 30 grams of protein, 1 gram of sugar. enter the $10,000 powered by protein max challenge. ♪ ♪ trelegy for copd. ♪birds flyin' high, you know how i feel.♪ ♪breeze driftin' on by...♪ ♪...you know how i feel.♪ you don't have to take... 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>> well, two things. first of all, i said on the judiciary committee. and the one thing we hear every single time that we have a confirmation hearing for a supreme court justice is they refused to answer a question because, they say, it would be improper. or unethical to opine about a matter that might come before the court. so, we have every supreme court justice on record, including justice alito, saying that. and then the next thing you know, there he is. talking to a lawyer on the wall street journal editorial page, and opening on a matter that might welcome before the supreme court. so, the first thing about this is that that element of it is a pretty flagrant violation of an ethics tenant that all of the judges have subscribe to publicly in their confirmation hearings. the second thing, it went from that two way, way worse. as we began to find out, okay, this wasn't just general opining, this was opining related to a specific dispute that the interviewer, the lawyer and that dispute, the client of the interviewer lawyer in that dispute was justice alito's friend. in infamous court fixture, leonard leo, and that the information we were seeking, the gravity of the investigation, was gifts arranged by leo to alito. so, there's a lot of fact finding the needs to be done to flesh out those remaining segments. and that's what made this very interesting to me. you had a clear violation by justice alito. it would be hard for the court, or the judicial conference, to just shrug this off. and you have a clear interest in further fact finding, which is a thing the court has gone out of its way to avoid having any of. >> i just want to, you know, give the audience a sense of just how much constitutional law you have to know to know how wrong his statement is. and that, is of course, there are nine supreme court justices, because congress decided it would be nine. it had been other numbers and other point in time. i'm not aware of any supreme court justice in history, including the very first supreme court justices, having the slightest doubt that congress gets to decide how many supreme court justices there are, which is to say, congress does get to regulate the supreme court. >> indeed. not only as to its number, but as to its jurisdiction. it's appellate jurisdiction. indeed, the letter that i wrote to chief justice roberts, received by him, also in the capacity as the chair of the judicial conference, that's a job he has by virtue of congress. judicial conference is a body established by congress. so, the idea that none of this has any relation to congress, just has no merit at all. but, it's the argument that is being used by the billionaires, and now, by justice alito, to try to handicap our investigation to what the facts are. when they were gifts. how many gifts were there. what was the scenario in which the gifts were developed? who was the orchestrator getting them the gifts. all of those things merit investigation. and it's that investigation that the is the republicans love to use the word weaponize, is weaponized opinion of justice alito is being used to discourage or defeat. >> you know, when i read his comments in that interview, i immediately recognized -- but i had no idea it could fit into this description of i thiolation of ethics, which is on several different points race. so it is really a stunning document you have created here, including that passage from neil gorsuch and his confirmation hearing, where he refuses to answer a question about the possibility of such a bill existing. you've actually passed the legislation through the judiciary committee. it is real legislation. it's moving. and it obviously would move to some kind of decision by a supreme court, possibly. there is samuel alito talk about it. when judge gorsuch said he couldn't even talk about a theoretical possibility of someone passing legislation like this. >> yeah, he gorsuch quote is particularly telling because it's not just saying i can't genuinely offer an opinion on any merit that might come before the court. he specifically say, i can't offer an opinion on the prospect of ethics legislation being done before congress, because it will be wrong for me to offer an opinion. and he put that side by side with a little, a pining merrily away in the wall street journal editorial pages, of all places, to a lawyer, in the dispute, all people -- >> senator whitehouse, i'd like to squeeze in a commercial break here. when we come back, i want to get your reaction to justice clarence thomas revising, updating his financial disclosures and the most extraordinary way. we'll be right back with senator whitehouse. nator whitehouse being me. keep being you... and ask your healthcare provider about the number one prescribed h-i-v treatment, biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in many people whether you're 18 or 80. with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to undetectable—and stay there whether you're just starting or replacing your current treatment. research shows that taking h-i-v treatment as prescribed and getting to and staying undetectable prevents transmitting h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effects include a buildup of lactic acid and liver problems. do not take biktarvy if you take dofetilide or rifampin. tell your healthcare provider about all the medicines and supplements you take, if you are pregnant or breastfeeding, or if you have kidney or liver problems, including hepatitis. if you have hepatitis b do not stop taking biktarvy without talking to your healthcare provider. common side effects were diarrhea, nausea, and headache. no matter where life takes you, biktarvy can go with you. talk to your healthcare provider today. ♪ chevy silverado has what it takes to do it all. with up to 13 camera views. and the z71 off-road package. ♪ you ok? 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>> i don't know, when this one has won with harlan crow as his fiduciary. >> it is an astonishing thing for a supreme court justices, oh, you know, the details were too tricky for me. >> yeah, the two things that are frustrating about this, one is that there are so many excuses that have been made. and after -- to test with of those are real or not. they won't enter questions, they just have these things. they say, i'm a lawyer. and there is no way to have a factual dispute or fact check on whether any of that is true. and he doesn't have to make any direct statements. so that might imperil him of him at a full statement. so the whole process is all screwed up. and the second thing, even worse, is the attempt of repair of filings is not complete. it is not accurate. they took one year, 2022. but we, the public, propublica the organization, have reported over and over again about gift prior to that, and even in this period, gifts from other billionaires. and none of that reported. they stopped at the front foot into form. and they didn't go back and redo any of their prior forums. and there is no explanation as to what is appropriate. there is a lot about when something changes the role, and when something clarifies the role, and there is no discussion of that law, they just pause it. this changed the role. but the actual road change, by the judicial conference said, they are clarifying the rule. which means you have to go back and correct all the previous ones that were wrong, now that the roles being clarified. and he didn't do that. so there is a lot of questions left, but they are not complete and accurate filing for clarence thomas at this point. >> well we know who's going to stay on the case. senator sheldon whitehouse, the judicial ethics crusader. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me on. >> we'll be right back. >> we'll be right back to your spending earn 5% cash back on your top eligible spend category up to $500 spent each billing cycle learn more at citi.com/customcash dupixent helps you du more with less asthma. and can help you breathe better in as little as 2 weeks. dupixent is an add-on treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma that's not for sudden breathing problems. dupixent can cause allergic reactions that can be severe. get help right away if you have rash, chest pain, worsening shortness of breath, tingling or numbness in your limbs. tell your doctor about new or worsening joint aches and pain, or a parasitic infection. don't change or stop asthma medicines, including steroids, without talking to your doctor. ask your specialist about dupixent. teeth sensitivity is so common. it immediately feels like somebody's poking directly on the nerve. i recommend sensodyne. sensodyne toothpaste goes inside the tooth and calms the nerve down. and my patents say: “you know doc, it really works." i'm kareem abdul jabbar. i was diagnosed with afib. the first inkling that something was wrong was i started to notice that i couldn't do things without losing my breath. i couldn't make it through the airport, and every like 20 or 30 yards i had to sit down and get my breath. every physical exertion seemed to exhaust me. and finally, i went to the hospital where i was diagnosed with afib. when i first noticed symptoms, which kept coming and going, i should have gone to the doctor and told them what was happening. instead, i tried to let it pass. if you experience irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue, or light-headedness, you should talk to your doctor. afib increases the risk of stroke about 5 times i want my experience to help others understand the symptoms of atrial fibrillation. when it comes to your health, this is no time to wait. since the citi custom cash® card automatically adjusts to earn me more cash back in my top eligible category... suddenly, life's feeling a little more automatic... >> senator sheldon whitehouse oooooohhh... automatic sashimi! earn cash back that automatically adjusts to how you spend with the citi custom cash® card. kates tonight's last four. it the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. >> tonight, the former leader of the proud boys faces the longest january 6th sentence. yet a look at extremism, two and a half years after the capitol riot. and more not guilty pleas in the georgia election case. the key hearing tomorrow, and what is next for mark meadows

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