Boys were responsible for the violence on january 6th. More so than any other group because they say they were instrumental in all of the key breaches. They introduced plenty of evidence that he was orchestrating things from afar, messaging his followers then afterwards, said make no mistake, we did this. So now, he faces justice. Ken, i know youll keep us posted on that. Thank you. Lets go to Garrett Haake with the latest developments in Donald TrumpsElection Interference Case in georgia. Garrett, so now all of trumps codefendants have pled not guilty. What more can you tell us . What do we know about what happens next . Thats right. We saw a flurry of filings in morning from others in this case all pleaded not guilty. All waiving their rights to appear in person at an arraignment scheduled for tomorrow. That arraignment will still go forward but it might be a judge just pushing around papers here. We wont see any of the defendants in place. We may see their attorney there is to argue various points. Weve seen filings from some of the folks in this case. Some are trying to speed up their trial, some are trying to make sure theyre not caught up in the efforts of others like jon eastman. He needs more time to prepare his defense. The judge in this case has a lot to sift through as they try to figure out how to get all of these defendants together or separately across the finish line in this case and one pending decision from a different judge is whats going to happen with mark meadows. He just recently argued because he says everything he was doing was in relation to his job as Chief Of Staff to the president , his job should be heard in federal court. Theres no timeline from a judge about if that case moves to federal court, stays in state court or if any others can ride along with it. A lot of moving parts down in georgia on this case. Thank you for that. Two School Districts near philadelphia are closed today as police narrow their search for a convicted killer who escaped from prison on thursday. Emily is in chester county, pennsylvania. Police as i understand it say he has been spotted again on surveillance cameras. What can you tell us . Well, those latest images coming overnight from just next to where im standing, next to me is longwood gardens. I grew up not far from here. It is a sweeping botanical garden. Some of the clearest images of the 34yearold who was convicted of murdering his girlfriend, sentenced to life in prison just earlier this month speaking to why theres such urgency in this continued search process. One of the really notable things about these images were getting from police and trail cam in longwood garden, it shows he breached the twomile radius from the prison. Im about three miles from the prison. Police need to continue to expand and shift southward their search zone. We continue to hear helicopters above. Lots of people on the ground. An immense number of assets. Heres more from Pennsylvania State police whos leading the investigation. Youre dealing with someone whos desperate and doesnt want to be caught and so if he can find something, some clothing, some shelter, some food, he is going to take advantage in whatever he finds. Again, we pressure him to not allow him the luxury of rest. And those latest Surveillance Images show he has since accumulated some supplies. A backpack. A duffel bag. Appears to be supplies within the bag as well. So that is a point of concern and why police are urging people to lock their doors and review their own personal images. My colleague spoke with someone who believes he was in his home at one point. Listen here. The flight switch three or four times to let him know that i knew he was down there and then he flipped the light switch back a few times, which was the real panic moment where i turned to my wife and said hes here in the house, call 911 right now. 5 feet, 120 pounds. Theyre continuing to search for him. Theres a reward of up to 10,000 for critical information. Thank you for that. In the black rock desert, the exodus traffic is now eight hours and counting to make it five miles out after a weekend stranded by mud at burning man. Antonia hilton is reporting on this. This is a festival that prides itself on leaving no waste behind, but what do we know right now . Well, chris, that is a challenge when people are in the midst of such harrowing conditions and theyre making this slow crawl from the festival out to a paved road that as you mentioned is about five, six miles away. Normally shouldnt take that long but people have waited up to nine hours in essentially bumper to bumper traffic. You can see it there. What we hear from folks is that there have been incredible frustrations and at times, people have had to leave items behind. Theyve abandoned vehicles, belongings, food, costumes, all kinds of stuff theyve brought with them. Thats happened in the past. In past years, people who live not far from the Festival Site say theyve left it a little trashier. The concern now is that conditions have been so unusual because of the rainfall, they could be looking at a bigger mess than theyve seen in the past. The frustrations here are a key point. Some of the festivalgoers have felt more could have been done by the people who organized to keep people safe, to keep them in the loop, to help them as they make this harrowing journey out. And others feel like because of how unusual this is, the festival has done the best they could. Take a listen to some of the people on the ground. They just when the man was burned. People running out of water, food, gasoline, everything. But zero what they do. Im sure the organization was completely like they dont care. Everything is being handled as its supposed to be. We cant really count for this kind of weather but it is what it is. To put this in perspective for folks who may not know much about this festival, they dont even provide trash services. Youre supposed to come and take care of yourself and others. Its sort of this funky community that comes together. So there arent supposed to be too Many Services and resources on the ground. Thats part of the spirit of the festival here and people are getting a feel for in the past what would have been jokes about the apocalyptic aesthetic of this festival, now, its feeling very real. Also because one of the Festival Festivalgoers passed away the friday night. Theyve been identified as a male, 32 years old. Leon reece. While we still dont know the cause of death, we know that the rainfall complicated the effort by authorities to get to the scene to actually respond and to do an investigation. Both people who have been watching this story closely and of course people who were on the ground for this incident, theyre waiting eagerly to find out more from an autopsy that we should get in the coming days. Thank you for that. We could be just minutes away from learning the fate of the ex proud boys leader in court. Could it be a deterrent for other groups . The former Oath Keeper Spokesman joins me in 60 seconds. H keepern joins me in 60 seconds fan 1 there ya go thats what im talkin about josh allen is this your plan to watch the game today . hero fan uh, yea. I have to watch my neighbors Nfl Sunday Ticket. josh allen its not your best plan. But you know what is . Myplan from verizon. 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I want to bring in a former spokesman for the oath keepers. Hes also author of the book, perils of extremism. Charles coleman is an msnbc legal analyst. Charles, so far, the judge has gone below what prosecutors have asked for. They want 33 years. They got 17. 25 for rhodes. He got 18. Would you expect to see the same pattern with tarrio or is this a different case all together . I think the answer is both. I think we can expect to see the judge go below the 33 years that the prosecution is going to ask for but still go higher than the minimum of what they can give. I expect that tarrio will receive a sentence thats higher than anyone else weve seen so far. His profile, role of what went on and the fact he was convicted of Seditious Conspiracy, the most serious charge weve had for anyone connected to january 6th. All of those factors will make the judge go higher than the minimum but not as far as the 33 years that prosecutors are asking for. So tell me about something called the terrorism adjustment. What is it . What that does is allows judges to move beyond the Sentencing Guidelines where they might necessarily be capped stat torly but gives them further latitude to add on additional years. Thats how you get to the additional years. I would expect youd get to a 20, 20year range. What about the fact he wasnt physically there . That doesnt matter because part of what were talking about with the Seditious Conspiracy charge is the fact you were at the head of coordinating all of this. You were at the helm of not only the planning, but the execution. So it was your foot soldiers who executed the vision you put together and thats why hes been convicted. He didnt have to be physically present to have assisted and been some of the brain power around putting this all in motion and thats what we saw happen and what you saw presented by the federal government on the grounds in which he was convicted. Jason, youre not a lawyer but you know how these operations work and you understand the role that tarrio played in this. In the organization, but also on january 6th. What are you looking for here . I think we really need to hold leadership to account. Im looking for a heavier sentence here. I think were at a critical time. I think these groups are really looking at what their future is and how they regroup and kind of Rise Up From The Ashes of these existing groups into the future. Really, this is going to play a major part in that. So i think its a vitally important part of the process right now that were in. I think we might see them even become more and more engaged on a political level because weve seen the messaging from trump saying hes going to pardon the people involved and thats a whole other beast. I would have liked to have seen going after the Seditious Conspiracy, i know its a hard one to nail down, but that would have given us ground work for the 14th amendment. Let me ask you about what you said after Stewart Rhodes was sentence. That the sentence has made him a Rock Star Among Right Wing extremists. You even suggested he might be able to build a following in prison. Thats the pull and push. If they give heavy sentences that its a deterrent. The other is it just really gives them another way to get people riled up. What do you think when you look at The Big Picture . I think it is a double edged sword. I think theres going to be a Martyr Factor that happens. We saw that in idaho with what happened at bundy ranch. They kind of became rock stars in their communities. So thats definitely going to be part of whats at play here. I think really the more important question is what happens with trump and the indictments and the prosecutions there because really when you come down to it, he was the seed. He was the one that was reaching out to these groups previously you know using them as a fuel in his machine that tried to dismantle democracy. Really, we have got to focus on the head of the snake and thats trump. Some Trump Supporters have warned that if he gets convicted on any of these charges in any of these cases, it could incite a civil war. Is that hyperbole . What do you think would happen if that were to happen . I wanted to think it was hyperbole previously when i was writing my book but the more things moved forward, i really think we are at a time right now where our very democracy is at stake and the next year or two is really going to be a deciding factor as to whether we continue to have democracy as a country moving forward. I think its a possibility and its the new book im working on right now deals with those possibilities. Unfortunately, its just, its a dark period of time for our country and you know, for my daughters thinking about the future theyre going to inherit is much more scary at the moment. Yeah. Its going to be interesting to see how this does impact the movement overall. Weve seen wildly different reactions from these men as they get sentenced. Dominic yelled trump won as he was leaving but others have been much more contrite. Joe biggs said quote, im so sorry. Im not a terrorist. I dont have hate in any heart and msnbc reports he grew emotional as he talked about his daughter, swearing on his life january 6th would be the last event with the proud boys. The only event he wants to be associated with is his daughters pta. Do you buy that . Do you think overall theres a significant number of these now convicts who are truly sorry for what happened and who have changed . You know, im sure there are a certain number of them. Especially if they have Strong Family connections and theyre beginning to think about the future of their daughters or sons lives or their wives or husbands. But i think theres a lot saying whatever they can to get off the hook and once theyre still getting a larger sentence, were seeing that kind of rebellion. Im sure everyones emotions while theyre being convicted and sentenced are very high. So we need to take that into account as well. I think it really is going to come down to community and Family Connections to really kind of get people to wake up a little bit from the craziness we all went through a year or two back. Whats it going to take . In your case, you have one case that when i look at some of the people ive talked to who are supporters and im sure if we were talking to some of trumps supporters, even those who have gone to prison, they would say what you say, whats the world going to be like for my children and we say if we dont do this, whats the world going to be like for our children. They have a very different view of the role trump has played and will play moving forward. So whats going to change minds, whats going to i guess ramp down what has been a very high volume im not even sure what the word for it is. Its just a belief that something has to happen even at the cost of violence. I think it all starts and ends with Story Telling. I think that you know, people become emotional and kind of disconnect from reality based on the stories that theyre consuming. We as a species relate to our world through Story Telling. You know, whether thats religion or politics or just whatever youre watching on netflix. But i also think that Family Connections really, really make a difference. I know for me, that was my lifeline coming out of my drinking the koolaid phase. And we really need to foster that Human Connection with the people that may have seen repercussions from their actions and are now looking at where do i go now. I think its very important we speak the truth, that we really look at the way Story Telling plays. The outing, this craziness, this all kind of flourished out of that Alex Jones Info WarsStory Telling hub that has just caught fire and that fire unfortunately has spread to our political nation. Charles, prosecutors have gone in hard on these cases and theyve been very successful. At them, but do you think theres more that the feds can do to ramp this down . To go after these movements, to try to diminish them . I think prosecutors have to stay consistent but i think we have to examine this from a broader scope. To the last point about Story Telling, everyone has to understand we have a role in how we got here. I think there has to be additional pressure placed on media for ethical Story Telling to become more and more of a staple. That has disappeared. I think there has to be a bigger responsibility placed on policymakers around how they approach dealing with extremism when we see it. We have really changed the line between what is free and accepted speech. That has also tainted our political discourse. All of these things have coalesced into this very moment. So all of us bear responsibility. If we want to see this extremism snuffed out, we have to take it upon ourselves. Whether thats the judiciary, policy, media, or whether that is actual law enforcement, to do their part and make sure that theyre doing everything they can to combat everything were seeing. Charles, great to have you. Jason, thank you so much. And well all be waiting because any moment now, we could get word on that sentence for tarrio and well have it for folks as soon as we get it. Impeachment trial brought by his own party. The