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Case. Plus, schools in pennsylvania now canceling classes today after new sightings late last night of the convicted murderer still on the run. And later, a mass exodus and eighthour wait as the gates finally open at burning man. A live report from what was a very muddy Nevada Desert coming up. Great to have you with us. And it is good to be back with you. 1 00 eastern. Im Ana Cabrera Reporting from new york. We begin in washington where hours from now the former National Leader of the proud boys will be sentenced on charges related to the january 6th attack. This is Enrique Tarrio, he was found guilty of Seditious Conspiracy for trying to stop the certification of the 2020 election and trying to keep trump in power. Prosecutors are asking for a 33year sentence. So far, tarios codefendants have been given sentences far shorter than what the government wanted. Joining us from the courthouse in washington is nbcs justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. What will you be watching for today, considering, you know, tarrios codefendants received less than what they were seeking. Reporter thats the real drama of this hearing. You have a group of people including Enrique Tarrio who the government says are most responsible for the violence on january 6th. The key instigators, the people that led each of the significant breaches of the physical plan at the capitol, dominic pizola, using the Police Shield to break the window, tarrio wasnt there but Text Messages introduced at trial said he was urging them on from his location in baltimore, and then when it was done, he said make no mistake, we did this. As you mentioned, prosecutors are asking for 33 years for Enrique Tarrio. They also asked for lengthy sentences for his codefendants and the judge did not hand those out. He handed out much lower significants, still significant, Ethan Nordean to 18 years, which ties with stewart rhodes. Given the prosecutor said no one was more responsible for january 6th, the violence than Enrique Tarrio, will the judge make him serve the longest sentence of any january 6th defendant . That well have to wait and see. Thats going to get under way shortly. It is also a very busy day in washington as were watching for Jury Selection to begin in Peter Navarros Contempt Of Congress case. Remind us whats at stake there. Reporter well, whats at stake for Peter Navarro is his freedom. Facing up to a year in prison on each of these Contempt Of Congress counts. He was an economic adviser to former President Trump who also is instrumental in a plan to delay the certification on january 6th. He called it the green bay sweep. The january 6th Congressional Committee wanted his testimony and they wanted documents. He defied their subpoena. He said he was covered by Executive Privilege, a judge ruled last week that there was no evidence that donald trump ever exerted Executive Privilege and so now hes facing trial on Contempt Of Congress charges, Jury Selection begins today. Mr. Navarro has complained this trial is costing a fortune. He believes his legal fees will be 750,000. He would also face a fine of 100,000 of each of these counts if convicted. So his trial begins today. Ken dilanian, thank you for those updates. And now to georgia, where there is just one day left for the seven remaining codefendants in the Fulton County election interference case. Among those who havent entered a plea are a couple of big names including mark meadows, and former Department Of Justice official jeffrey clark. Joining us now, Greg Bluesteen and carol lam and Danny Cevallos. Danny, let me start with you. What do we expect to happen with the arraignments and what are the next steps following that . Some jurisdictions require people to show up for arraignments. In jurisdictions where you can waive arraignment and enter a plea of not guilty without showing up to court, i virtually always do it with my clients. I cant think of an instance you wouldnt want to do it in a high profile case like this where youre going to be subjected to a press, you know, people photographing you and videotaping you as you come into the courthouse, i cant imagine why these remaining defendants havent simply waived arraignment, entered a plea of not guilty with the exception of meadows and clark who may be thinking the judge may hand down a decision and their case may remain in Federal Court as they try to remove their cases to Federal Court. I should say more precisely, trying to stay in Federal Court. The cases have already been removed. Strategically speaking, there is almost no reason not to waive arraignment and not enter a plea of not guilty unless you like going to the courthouse. Maybe the defendants like the optics. There are so many defendants and there is lots of different types of maneuvering were seeing happening. Meadows and clark trying to move their cases to Federal Court. We have efforts from codefendants to try to split their cases from the others like with Kenneth Chesebro, who asked his to be split twice now. Carol, do you think these requests have merit and would this make the prosecutors job harder . These requests are certainly within the rights of the defendants to assert these requests. I think the question is did fani willis anticipate all of this possibly happening. I have to think she did. Shes an experienced prosecutor and this is to some extent the cost of bringing the kind of case she brought, which was a very, very broad case against a lot of defendants. But these things in the law that permit you to try to move your trial to Federal Court or to delay your arraignment a bit or to ask for a speedy trial, which forces the governments hand, i think that those are legitimate things that these defendants can do, and as you pointed out, it really has splintered the case. The question really is what are these defendants going what positions are they going to hold to . And the ones who havent asserted, for example, donald trump could bring the same motion he could remove his case to Federal Court as well. He has 30 days to do it from the time of arraignment, which, for him, since he did waive his personal appearance, that was last thursday, and i think a lot of them are sitting back and saying im just going to sit back and wait until i have to make a move to see what my options are because whether they have coordinated or not, and thats also a big question that perhaps danny can speak better to on the defense side, whether they coordinated or not, as defendants, or whether this is just happenstance they have made things somewhat difficult for fani willis, i think it is going to be interesting to see how it plays out at the end of the day who is going to trial when and in what court. Who has the advantage here, danny, in your perspective . The people who sit back and wait or those trying to move forward trying to lob motions now to kind of have control over their case moving forward . I think the answer is the advantage goes to every man for himself acting in their own best interest. I have a couple of exhibits of that. Already, john eastman gave a controversial interview on fox, where some pointed out he may have half admitted to some of the crimes against him. I thought far more interesting was his position that while one of the things i definitely didnt do was suggest to the Vice President that he could halt the vote counts and certification process. Well, meanwhile, arguably, his codefendant donald trump was tweeting exactly that. So, thats a minor distinction. You see defendants already splitting. You see Kenneth Chesebro arguing against Sidney Powells attempt to sever the case saying, hey, my case is nothing like her case. And so to an extent a lot of the codefendants are right. Jenna ellis is charged with two counts. Others are charged with well over a dozen counts. So you have a lot of difference between these defendants. I dont think theyre coordinating. Even maybe on a basic level, but i think theyre all thinking in their own best interests, as they should. This is not a case where the defendants should align. Theyre all accused of different things, yes, conspiracy, but if im advising any of them, i say i am an island unto myself, i have nothing to do with these codefendants, sever me out, get me to Federal Court, do anything i can to distinguish me from some of the other bad actors according to the government. Not a case of power in numbers. It is better every man for himself here. Greg, there is the legal maneuvering, and then the political maneuvering, right . Especially when it comes to donald trump. You have a recent piece for the Atlanta Journal constitution with the headline Governor Brian Kemp rejects talk of special session, says punishing fani willis carries risks. What more can you tell us about this . There has been attempts from the halls of congress and the halls of the Georgia Capitol to find ways to punish fani willis for bringing these charges against trump and the other codefendants. Hes rejecting the idea of a special session, which was politically impossible because it would require democratic support to impeach fani willis. Hes saying thats a nonstarter. Other thing he said that was so surprising in a sense was that he was saying there was no proof for a new commission that he actually signed into law that could investigate complaints against prosecutors who were deemed to be rogue or wayward or not doing their duty. There is no proof that fani willis could be subject to any complaints from that commission, that she has done any wrongdoing that could be worthy of sanction from that commission. Thats a signal to other republicans to kind of rear back. And it wont stop the complaints, wont stop efforts to sanction or punish fani willis from donald trump supporters, but it certainly sparked a new divide in the Republican Party here in georgia. It is so interesting to see him pushing back on republicans. Doesnt seem like something that would be advantageous for him politically. Looks like he does want trump and others held accountable. Is he the rare republican official who can buck trump and not get punished politically for it . We certainly did that last year, right . He faced a Donald Trumpbacked supporter, former senator david perdue and beat him by 52 points in the Georgia Republican primary and, again, hes sort of the run of the republican voices out there in the National Scene and here in georgia saying that republicans should focus on 2024, not on 2020, that looking back in the Rear View Mirror is a recipe for disaster for the gop in the next election cycle. Carol, quickly if you will, as we head to tomorrow and this arraignment deadline, what kind of pressure is fani willis facing . Well, shes facing, i think, a lot of pressure with respect to this october trial date that has been set in the Kenneth Chesebro case and it is probably the Sidney Powell case as well. They have asserted their right to a speedy trial and under georgia law, there is less discretion than you have in federal law. In Federal Court, someone demands a speedy trial, the judge says, well, i find this case complex and therefore for good cause were going to put it off a little bit longer. That appears to not be an option in georgia. And so without the consent of those defendants to move the trial later, fani willis faces a lot of pressure to actually go to trial. Now shes saying lets Try Everybody in october. That is next month. Lets Try Everybody. I think that is going to be a lift because those defendants and, again, danny would know better, those defendants have a really good argument that, wow, you cant make me go to trial in october. You will get reversed on appeal because we cant be ready. I just think about the old dominos analogy there and could be like the first domino to fall and is all as soon as next month. Carol lamb, Danny Cevallos and Greg Bluesteen, thank you for the analysis and reporting. The first lady tests positive for covid. What that means for her and for the president and the concern about rising case numbers nationwide. Plus, day six of a manhunt in pennsylvania. The unconventional methods now being used to catch this escaped killer who is still on the run. And a historic Impeachment Trial getting under way in texas today with embattled Attorney General Ken Paxton Fighting for his political future. Orney general Ken Paxton Fighting for his political future ella fashion moves fast. 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The white house says she is only experiencing minor symptoms and will stay at the familys delaware home while she recovers. Meanwhile, President Biden who testified negative before returning to the white house late yesterday will keep testing regularly and monitoring for symptoms. Lets go to the white house and nbcs monica alba now. Monica, a busy week for the president. Hes got a medal of honor ceremony today, traveling to india and vietnam later this week. Is all that still on for now . For the moment, it is, ana. Thats the real question and the white house says the president will continue to test at what they say is a regular cadence. We dont know if that means necessarily multiple times a day, before these big events, with a lot of people, as you mentioned. Hell be honoring An Army Captain later this afternoon at the white house. And then he is supposed to be departing for that very high stakes summit in india on thursday. So, we know the white house will continue to let us know on how thats going. And the first ladys office says that, yes, the first lady is experiencing some mild symptoms for now. Remember, last week was the official Back To School for the first lady who, of course, does Teach Community college here in the area. And she also visited a bunch of different schools and then she traveled with President Biden down to florida on saturday. They spent the weekend, the rest of it, at Rehoboth Beach and that is where she is going to be isolating and quarantining over the next couple of days. Last summer, both of them had covid at different times. They took paxlovid, they had rebound cases but were able to recover. The white house says theyll keep us posted on this, but of course there is a lot hanging in the balance that could shift should the president potentially test positive here. We wish the first lady a speedy recovery, thank you. I want to bring in dr. Vin gupta. Doctor, great to have you with us. Were told the first lady is experiencing minor symptoms so far. I think a lot of us are starting to hear about friends or family who recently have been diagnosed. Total cases and deaths are up around 17 in the most recent week, though theyre still very low compared to other recent highs. If you had covid before and are vaccinated, like the first lady, what are the risks . Well, ana, good morning. There is still a possibility here, especially we have huge pockets of vulnerability across the united states. 30 of all adults have not been vaccinated once. We have a far higher rates of adults who have not been boosted once. We do know that in a case of the first lady, the chance for symptoms, especially if youre medically high risk is there. Because the protection against endin

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