we begin our second hour with several major developments in the georgia election interference case. donald trump pleaded not guilty to 13 criminal counts on thursday, waving his arraignment. trump's lawyers submitted the plea in writing and notified the court he will not appear in person this coming wednesday. rudy giuliani became the latest codefendant to waive arraignment, entering a not guilty plea on friday. in total, 12 defendants have done this so far. the ex president and some of those charged along with him are also pushing to break up the broad 19 defendant rico case, in a separate filing, trump's lawyers act judge scott mcafee to sever his case from his codefendants who have asked for a speedy trial. at least two defendants have done that, former trump loyal sidney powell and kenneth chesebro. chesebro has been scheduled for october 23rd. like trump, they've asked to have their cases tried separately from others. as trump and his codefendants push for their preferences, fulton county d. a. fani willis is his having none of it. and is standing firm in her request to have all 19 defendants tried together. in a court filing on tuesday, willis asked judge mcafee to clarify the trial schedule in writing, quote, the state maintains its position that severance is improper at an absolute minimum, the court should set defendant powell's trial and that of another defendant who may file a speedy trial demand on the same date as defendant chesebro. as of now, it remains unclear whether the other defendants would be tried on that same date. but as willis worked to keep her case intact, she is also facing attacks from trump and his allies within the georgia gop. state senator, colton moore, has been pushing for impeachment, calling for an emergency session to, quote, review the actions of fani willis. an idea that trump appraised on his failed social media site. this week, that idea was quashed by none other than fellow republican georgia governor, brian kemp. here is what he said at a press conference on thursday. >> i have not seen any evidence that d. a. willis's actions or lack thereof warrant action by the prosecuting attorney oversight commission. a special session of the general assembly to end run around this law is not feasible, and may ultimately prove to be unconstitutional. as long as i am governor, we are going to follow the law and the constitution, regardless of who it helps, or harms politically. >> governor kemp's comments highlight a growing civil war within the gop, something that threatens to weaken the party at a crucial time for u.s. politics. and an inadvertent side effect of fani willis's meticulous work and commitment to the rule of law throughout this case. my panel for you now joins me now, ana bauer -- i molly jong-fast, host of fast politics podcast, and a vanity fair -- special correspondent. -- legal analyst. and former federal prosecutor. it's great to have all three of you ladies with us. carol, why are the co-defendants in this rico case seeking to break it up? and how likely is it that we will see more defendants tried on october 23rd along with chesebro. it's still unclear, we know that he filed this motion yesterday. specifically to have his case severed from sydney powell's. >> it's highly unlikely that you are going to see the judge force defendants, other than the ones who have asked for an early trial, it's highly unlikely that the judge is going to force other defendants to join those early defendants in trial in october. that is such an early date. the reason it is happening in october is because chesebro and powell asked for that date. they asserted their demand for a speedy trial, and that is their right. but it's extremely early in such a complicated case. i think that the judge would end up having a lot of problems on appeal were he to impose that early trial date on others. so, i think what we are looking at here is the likely possibility that you are going to end up with at least two, maybe three or more of these cases going to trial with different buckets of defendants. that is sort of the cost of bringing a very broad multi defendant case like this. >> anna, judge mcafee denied d. a. willis's request to advise defendants who asked for a speedy trial that they may lose some rights such as notice of timely discovery. can you walk us through what that means? what do you make of her request and the judges response? >> right, so, fani willis wanted the judge to advise these defendants of kind of what they lose out on or potentially lose out on if they do demand a speedy trial. it seemed like she just wanted to basically make sure that if there's any future potential grounds for appeal on the basis of these folks, not being aware of kind of some of the consequences of requesting a speedy trial, so how it impacts, for example, discovery deadlines or when you can get evidence, or the deadlines for being able to submit evidence. she wanted the judge to make sure that they are aware of that. the judge said, no, not at this time. i am going to go ahead and proceed with my standard case scheduling management plan. because some of these deadlines that you have pointed to kind of conflict the way i typically would run my cases. he said, however, if this becomes an issue, as we go forward, you can raise the matter than, and we will deal with it as it goes. so i don't think that this is something that is going to really impact how things proceed. the judges just saying we are going to follow the way that i usually run things around here. and you know, if there is something later on that you want to raise that you can. fani willis has at least raised the issue, and kind of made it clear that she wanted these defendants to be apprized of what happens if they request a speedy trial. >> molly, trump and the others not guilty pleas means that we won't be able to see their televised arraignments, which is permitted in georgia. do you think that played a factor in their decisions? >> i think that everything that is public facing plays a big factor in trump's decision. i think trump is planning to play this out in the court of public opinion. remember, what is most important for him is to win the nomination. what is most important for him is to try to win the presidency. because he sees that as his last best hope to not be in jail. so, i think he's going to do everything he can to help his position with the base. and also to help his presidential campaign. remember, this is a guy who announced his presidency in the hopes that it might prevent him from being indicted. >> carol, let's talk mark meadows. he's of course trying to get his cased moved to federal court. he testified on monday that he was merely doing his job, as trump's chief of staff, when he participated in what the prosecutors have alleged as a campaign to overturn votes in georgia. does this actually help fulton county prosecutors? >> it may, ayman, just for context, if things were complicated enough, mark meadows is trying to get his georgia prosecution moved over to federal court. so his state charges would be tried in federal court, and it doesn't mean that a future president could pardon him, because they will be georgia charges, not federal charges. but when he testified on monday, he needed to establish to the judges satisfaction that to the actions he took in georgia were really actions that were within his federal duties. and if the judge is not convinced of that, then he would move that georgia state prosecution over to federal court. but in testifying the way he did, he really had to essentially lay the blame on donald trump. he had to say, i was just doing my job as chief of staff to donald trump. i was making phone calls for him. i was arranging meetings for him. these were all in the course of my duties as a federal officer. what fani willis did was she put a number of georgia state folks on, and including brad raffensperger to say we've never seen anything like this. he was definitely working outside of his realm as a federal official. so the judge is going to have to make this decision. but we've now seen what mark meadows would testify, and we now have his statement in a transcript that d. a. willis can use, even if he decides not to testify at his trial or donald trump's trial in georgia state court. she can use that statement, because he is a coconspirator. it comes in under the conspiracy laws. >> carol, can i ask you really quickly, you are saying it would still be in georgia state law that he is being charged with, and the punishment is not pardon-able by the president. what does he gain by getting this case moved to a federal court? is it simply the broader jury pool that he will be able to -- or that the defense will be able to choose from? is that the only benefit he gets? >> there are a couple of things. there's the jury pool, of course, that you mentioned. there's also the fact that as we see, the georgia judge has said that the proceedings and a trial can be televised. that is not going to be happening in federal court, most likely. it just it doesn't happen in federal court. and it couldn't be because his lawyers may be more comfortable in federal court. the federal laws, federal court laws are the same throughout the united states. but every state has its own corkey laws. and they may not feel as comfortable there. but it's also a way to get away from the rest of the defendants, and make sure that they are not in the same courtroom with all the other defendants. >> fair enough, anna, after meadows's testimony on monday, a judge asked for additional arguments which were submitted thursday, i believe. your takeaways from those. did they give you any clues about which way the judge is leaning? and we know when he will issue a decision? >> right, so the judge asked for additional briefing on this issue of whether he finds that some of these, what is called overt acts in the indictment, if he finds that some of those overt acts that are alleged to be committed by meadows, if some of those were within the scope of meadow's office. is that sufficient to get meadows into federal court? so what that tells me is that the judge thinks that there is at least some things in the indictment that are alleged about meadows that maybe are things that he did within his duties as chief of staff. and fani willis responded by saying, you know, these overt acts under georgia's rico law, which is what meadows is charged with, they are not necessary to show in order to have meadows be convicted of the charge. so, therefore, even if some of these overt acts were committed within the scope of his office, it's not sufficient for him to use that as a hook to get into federal court. of course, meadows naturally responded with the opposite argument. but i think that it tells me that judge jones is really thinking carefully about this issue. i think that we are going to maybe see a little bit of time a pass here, before he comes out with an opinion. because it is such an unsettled area of law. i think that one of these big issues, and big questions, is going to be one act by meadows within the scope of his office, cannot get him into federal court? and it may just bring all of the other defendants with him as well. so, i think that that is what is on his mind with this order. >> molly, let's take a step back away from this specifics of this meadows case. and just broadly speaking, i want to get your reaction to brian kemp, the georgia governor's press conference, in which he basically accused his fellow republicans of engaging in political theater for going after fani willis, when he hasn't seen her do or say anything wrong as of yet. what do you make of that dynamic that is unfolding between brian kemp and the broader trump gop? >> that was an incredible moment. i think it really shows how far down the rabbit hole this republican party has gone. right? the idea that we are going to celebrate brian kemp, for not firing fani willis. we are in end times here. yes, good for him for doing his job. and not politicizing the office. we can think of a lot of republican governors who would have taken this opportunity to go full maga and totally flout the rule of law. the reason why brian kemp is there is because he was supported by people who said, you know, you standing up to trump's okay. he was able to sort of find his way through the maga world, and get reelected. so he knows the people were keeping him in that office. and he also knows he's in a purple state. this is not necessarily. he knows he could theoretically lose. they have two blue senators there. so i wouldn't reward his bravery, but it is nice to know that there's a little -- there are a few republicans who are not willing to completely burn the whole house down. >> i want to say, to your point, the fact that we have to praise brian kemp for not firing a prosecutor shows you just how far down the road we have gone with this republican party. that it's almost we expect a republican governor to just bend over for maga and to actually fire fani willis at their request. glad he did not as of yet. but anna bower, carol lam, thank you both. molly, stick around we're going to talk to a little bit later. still to come, if trump's plan to overturn the election would have worked, it would have emboldened white supremacists in georgia. that is according to black voters, latosha brown, she's going to be here to make the case. first my coworker richard lui is going to be here. -- >> the survey damage from hurricane idalia, firsthand in florida during a briefing he called on congress to provide more fema funding. governor ron desantis opted not to attend. bill richardson, former governor of new mexico, and u.n. ambassador has died at 75. he helped release americans detained abroad, including britney griner, and received multiple nobel peace prize nominations. in a statement, president biden said he seized every chance to serve, and met every new challenge with joy. and jimmy buffett has died at 76. the singer turned his beach inspired music into a billion dollar margaritaville empire. he passed away surrounded by family, friends, and music, and his dogs, according to a statement. more ayman with ayman mohyeldin, right after this break. you don't have to keep tabs on rotating categories... this is the only rotating i care about. ...or activate anything to earn. your cash back automatically adjusts for you. can i get a cucumber water? 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part of it is that we really have not thought about how we build a multiracial, multi generational democracy. how we have systems that are antiquated, we have structures, and some of them, what we are dealing with in terms of policies, antiquated, does not meet the kind of diverse younger america that we have seen before. i think as what i was talking about, part of what's needed, is for us to realize that our democracy is extremely fragile. at the end of the day, we are seeing people that we can move millions of dollars on a cell phone, and we stand an hour to sit in line for more than 12 hours just to vote, that there is something fundamentally wrong. so there's a need for structural change, there's a need for change when we see policy. there's also need of the change of the political wheel of the people. we have to recognize that if this democracies going to be stronger, we have to make sure that people are engaged to make it be. so >> you are talking about structural changes, right now it seems like they are only happening in one way. you've got georgia republicans passing laws like these so-called election integrity act in 2021, that includes restrictions on ballot drop boxes and how voters can request and submit absentee ballots. a federal judge recently upheld the core of that law after several rights groups challenged it. your reaction to that and what is next for the fight to ensure and protect voting rights in the state of georgia? >> this is why we desperately need a national voting rights act. the john lewis voting rights, it's stuck in the senate right now. the bottom line, if there's any time that we know we need stronger protections, it is now. what we have seen is we have seen an onslaught of attacks on voters, on voting suppression -- we know the minute the states have been in that practice. the voting rights act was created in the first place for southern states, including states like georgia. we've got to have strong national policy, we've got to have a fully restored and stronger voting rights act in this nation. >> no doubt, democracy is on the line, not just in georgia, but all across the country. latosha brown, it's always a pleasure. thank you so much for making time for us. >> thank you for having. me coming up, run desantis's super pac throws in the towel on a critical operation meant to ramp up support for his presidential ambitions. the details, next. after the best nap of my life... and papa is hungry. and while you're hittin' the trail, i'm hitting your cooler. oh, cheddar! i've got hot dog buns! and your cut-rate car insurance might not pay for all this. so get allstate, and be better protected from mayhem, like me. roar. 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>> the nation, as i told your colleague katie fang many months ago, and last year as well, the nation is finding out what floridians already knew. this is the political equivalent of weekend at bernie's. you can spend as much money as you've got, the guy has no personality, he's socially awkward, he has no compassion. he lacks any bit of grace. >> molly, philip bump at the washington post pointed out that jeff rowe, who is the head of the super pac doesn't seem to have the best strategy, when approaching potential donors, as he mentioned out loud, i should note, having lost to trump before when running ted cruz's champion in 2016, while asking them for money. it seems that they cannot do anything right for. >> yeah, i think that's right. look, again, the idea here you are going to run someone with no charisma as for president. which is basically a charisma contest. it's kind of not. but think, they might have learned their lesson from scott walker, and the many times republicans have done this. but they seem to have not. the idea that this guy was going to run to the right of trump on policy, and somehow policy was going to defeat trump's mad. >> senator, i want to turn to florida for a moment. obviously still reeling from that disaster hurricane idalia, president biden was in the state earlier today surveying the damage. it was back and forth about whether the president and desantis would need. they ultimately did not. however, biden did meet florida senator, rick scott, a republican, we should note. this is what he had to say about the presidents efforts. >> the president did a great job with the early -- when the storm hit. on the coast. there is a big deal. and then how fast you approved through fema the individual assistance, the public assistance, that was a big deal. these are not rich communities. many of them struggle. so i want to thank you for doing that. >> did rhonda scent is miss a key opportunity to show the american people, a, a united front in the face of a natural disaster, or adversity, and be, a moment of leadership that he can rise to the moment and get above politics? >> i think they actually probably did a calculation at the campaign office, because biden just comes across, i represented -- in my prior district. the president came through july 1st. he was with desantis. he came again after he in. the problem is, biden comes across as just being debunked dealer, all right guys, let's set aside our differences. it's time to eat. let's get this done. i think they made a calculation that they couldn't afford to have desantis a look, yet again, sort of displaced and a little bit of humility, i think, when biden is there. because he's professional at it. he is just avuncular, like i said. i think desantis probably made the calculation that the hit he would take would be less than the hit he would take if he looked weak again. >> that's a good. point obviously he's done it before, and met with biden. there is no reason why they shouldn't do it again. nothing has changed between those two. as we mentioned, desantis, molly, he rejected million dollars of climate funding. at the same time, you've got floridians seeing their insurance costs skyrocket. it's a disconnect between desantis and his constituents, that he does not see what is happening to florida that is playing as day for everyone else who lives outside of that state. i think even for people who live inside that state, when you have people like vivek ramaswamy saying climate change is a hoax. >> yeah, this is wild stuff. this was money for cheap solar panels. for cheaper energy. which is something that to the state of texas, a very red state, is delighting in. the reason that texas grid was able to survive this summer was why? because they had solar. here is this governor, governor desantis, turning down things that would help his people. because he thinks somehow this will help him win a primary. i think it's really interesting, and i think if you look at the last six months of desantis, it has been this stop woke act. it's been don't say gay. it's been all of this audition for a maga to try to beat trump. here it is that actually the people who are ultimately suffering from this primary contests are the people who live in florida, who just want to have a normal governor. >> senator, it was also plain as day that there was a disconnect between desantis and some of his black constituents. last sunday, he was loudly booed by attending a vigil for the three black people who were shot and killed in a racist terrorist attack. watch. [crowd chanting] [inaudible] >> your thoughts on that? >> ayman, those that are in florida know that i've been very candid over the last several years about the fact that the governor is the state of florida has a problem with black voters. i asked very early on when i began as a state senator if he would spend just 15 minutes with the mothers of murdered black children, i was a former homicide prosecutor in miami, i handled all the shootings and -- i had asked his legislative affairs director for a couple years in a row if he would just sit down with the mothers of murdered black children. my god, of course. of course he will. deaf ears. for the first few years, if you troll his social media, we saw in realtime, outside of an elected black official, a law enforcement officer, if someone there that is placed there for a bill signing, he's not comfortable around black folks. that's the truth. >> i think you saw some of that as well during the governor race, a couple years ago. to your point, senator, again, it's plain as day for anyone who just sees how he interacts in these moments, and how he is received. molly, give me your final thoughts on all things that are ron desantis at this moment, as his campaign continues to implode. and to kind of sum it up, like the way you were saying earlier, it's not the campaign, it's not the way the campaign is being run. it is the candidate. >> yeah, look, this is a guy who was arguing that slavery had some good things that happened because of it. you never have to argue that. you never have to get up in that position. we all know slavery is bad, period, paragraph. of course he should be booed. this is just, you know, a normal reaction to someone who said really racist and terrible stuff over the years. so i'm not surprised. i think that a lot of consultants, quote unquote consultants, or making a lot of money, and good for them. a lot of republican donors had, they're going to find someone else. maybe it will be nikki haley. maybe it will be ten. scott. >> i want to say, the false it is probably going to dry out pretty soon though. they're going to have to go on to another campaign. molly jong-fast, and state senator, jason pezzola, stick around actually we're gonna talk to guys a little bit after the break. we're going to have to discuss our worst of the week. it's a battle for the ages with justice clarence thomas versus texas attorney general, ken paxton. rsv is in for a surprise. meet arexvy. 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thomas or paxton? >> it's a real embarrassment of riches, right? i do want to point out that both paxton and thomas were very involved with overturning roe, right? texas was the first state to remove choice, almost a year before the supreme court. so i think it is worth realizing that these two both did a lot of damage to women's rights. i am going to dealt with thomas, because it is just so much more egregious. also, ken paxton had multiple indictments before, he has hauled all these multiple indictments too. i mean, look. paxton has really, is really beyond the pale, but i think the thomas wins it because he is so much power, he has this lifetime appointment and he is making these decisions every day that are radically remaking our country and a very conservative way. >> senator, who are you going with? who's your pick for portion of the week? >> chief justice rehnquist said over 20 years ago that the salary disparity between the legal profession and additional branch cannot continue to be so desperate without, i'm paraphrasing, without suffering some change and morale or the quality of the judicial branch. and i think he parise just what we are seeing. he doesn't want to give up a lifetime appointment to go chase a. brock this is the highest judicial post in the land. just by the nature of the office. ken paxton's tacky. that is a term limited situation. he could have just held his proverbial breath. but justice thomas is disappointing. disappointing to all students. to read that, you're supposed to have judicial integrity. so it has to go to thomas. judge rehnquist knew what he was talking about -- over 20 years ago to slip in some language about being able to accept honoraria, speaking fees, and other competition. >> i was going to say, we have unanimity here because i'm with you guys. i think clarence thomas also gets the worst of the week, just because of the role that he occupies in our system of governance. and the idea that his, i guess, his lawyer put out that statement, saying oh, he didn't know that this was the way he was supposed to behave? >> those forms are so easy, i followed those forms every year. those forms are so easy. >> trying to claim that it's a form as the reason why you didn't disclose these? they are really trying to get off at a technicality, it's like you didn't check the box, ready to accept any money or gifts. it's like, hey, i didn't see about the specific question so i don't act to disclose. it but also the idea, the idea of can paxton. i bet you he does not know anything about soccer or the world cup. so the idea that he's hopping on a flight to go watch the world cup, i just don't buy it. i don't believe it. molly, i gotta ask you. especially on this cake thing. since we're on with paxton. it was supposed to be sent to his staff for christmas. he kept the cake, allegedly told his staff not to touch it, because it was for his birthday. and yet another source said he brought a kick to a local restaurant for a staff lunch, never serving it. and another source said watched him walk out of the office carrying it. what? how insane is that. for a 45 film a cake, bro? >> the whole thing is completely, there are overrides. this scandal, the more you read about it, the worse it gets. so i don't know. the fact that a cake can cost $45 and then he keeps carrying it around to various events is -- >> senator, clarence thomas's lawyers, as i mentioned, have disclosed these disclosures based on new guidance issued offer march, not really the case. but you've got senator sheldon whitehouse on the judiciary committee, pointing out, it is more like what these requirements were explained not revised, as his lawyers are saying. do you buy this? going back to what i was saying earlier, to buy this argument from thomas's team that he's new rules, they're not numerals, but these rules were revised as opposed to just simply explained to a supreme court justice? >> if i ask you, and you might not agree with the philosophy, politics, ideology, or interpretation of the constitution, but if i asked you which particular post do you think in the united states are filled by people who have some bit of intellectual idea or education or understanding -- >> morality peeing, one common sense being another. >> if you need a quick definition of irony over the next 24 hours, use that one. >> yeah. so let me ask you this, state senator. what do you feel democrats are not able to actually take action on what we're seeing with the supreme court? i think there are now few efforts -- it's been no-brainer the democrats can really go after this. you know if this was ruth better ginsburg or anyone else, who is serving now, you know what republicans will be doing about this. the pitch recognition that this up on the hill, heaven investigations, calling for the attorney general to prosecute. >> i don't know there is a majority of clean hands on both sides. i'm gonna be honest with you. >> no, i appreciate that. molly, what do you think? why do you think -- >> i think democrats should do more. i think this continual idea that we take the high road is a huge mistake, especially when it comes to things like this. i mean, democrats control the senate. they can have hearings, they can -- look, if the situation were reversed, and this were ruth bader ginsburg, he would have the washington free bacon every day publishing allegations. and then it would be and the new york post. and then it would be in the wall street journal. you would not believe. there's a pipeline and it will be on fox news and we would see jesse waters screaming about it every single night. but, i mean, it's true. and i think the democrats have more pro than i think. and i think they might be people who are disgusted by the level of corruption, and i think that they could really move the needle and they should do what they did with dinner sixth, with what's happening with clarence thomas. this is a -- >> letter to john on his burnett's point. it's clear clarence thomas is up to something and we need to get to the bottom of it a little more aggressively. molly jong-fast, state senator jason pizzo. a real pleasure, great to have you both on for the show. always enjoy it. up next, a soccer scandal that is confronting a reckoning with sexism in women sports. sexism in women sports. is strong enamel- nothing beats it. new pronamel active shield actively shields the enamel to defend against erosion and cavities. i think that this product is a gamechanger for my patients- it really works. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ live your best day, every day with the power of the gelflex grid. sleep better. live purple. the citi custom cash® card a different kind of card that automatically adjusts to your spending earn 5% cash back on your top eligible spend category up to $500 spent each billing cycle learn more at citi.com/customcash -we're done. -what about these? 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