Challenges, will any of his political challengers find a path to be here . Plus, stealing the spotlight. He grabbed all of the attention in the first republican primary debate. If you have a broken car, you dont turn over the keys to you dont turn over the keys to the people who broke it again, you hand over the keys to the generation to fix the problem. Now is not the time for onthejob training. Ive had enough of a guy that sounds like chatgpt. Vivek ramaswamy, who has never held political office. You have no Foreign Policy experience and it shows. Ill talk to the political outsider who clashed the most with his gop rival. And 2024 vision. Senator Bernie Sanders issues a warning to democrats about how to win the future. There has got to be an ideological change, of course. Ill ask President Bidens chief rival from 2020 what he wants to see the democrats focus on for a Second Biden Term. Joining me for insight and analysis are former democratic congresswoman Stephanie Murphy of florida, pat mccrory, Danielle Pletka of the American Enterprise institute, and marcos moulitsas, the founder of daily coast. Welcome to sunday. Its Meet The Press. From nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is Meet The Press with chuck todd. Good sunday morning. Donald trumps inevitability, the idea that he cannot be beaten in this republican primary, has been a source of strength for him. At wednesday nights debate could look like without trump on wednesday, but we still live on this version of earth and until one of trumps opponents is recognized as a viable challenge by republican primary voters, it is a debate that may have to be put on hold until 2024. That said, a failure of imagination turned the idea that trump could never win in 2016 into faulty conventional wisdom, and its that same failure of imagination now to believe that he cant lose the republican primary that we should be cautious of. The main threat to trump has always been his legal troubles, and his campaign may be cashing in on his mugshot released on his booking night right now, but it is a visual representation of the four indictments and 90 Felony Counts and the political trouble they may represent, thanks to a bunch of unknown unknowns with the legal. 19 codefendants have turned themselves in in the georgia racketeering case. Two have requested a speedy trial, leading to questions whether they might cooperate. Kenneth chesebro, he is the lawyer who wrote the Campaign Memo who they used and used to subvert the 2020 election and sydney powell wants a speedy trial. Shes the lawyer who assessed voter data in a county in georgia as well as Filing Lawsuits suggesting fraud. John eastman, another lawyer having to use a slate of Trump Electors is likely to request a speedy trial, as well. Consider a televised trial, georgia law, of these defendants starting as early as this october and potentially before any trial that features Donald Trumps starts . And fani willis could lay out the case against trump for the nation ahead of the start of the primary calendar. Thats an unknown unknown that im pointing out here. Some of trumps opponents tiptoeing before pointing out that a Campaign Year full of courtroom year full of Courtroom Motions and trials might not be the Greater General Election politics for the gop. We have to face the fact that trump is the most disliked politician in america. We cant win a General Election that way. And yet, at least six of the eight republicans on stage in milwaukee including haley, raised their hands to confirm they would support trump in 2024 even if he is convicted by a swrur of his peers, and they made the odd decision to pile on political newcomer vivek ramaswamy, who may be surging, but is still cracking double digits. Now is not time for onthejob training. We dont need to bring in a rookie and people without experience. Ive had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like chatgpt standing up here. You make america less, and you have no Foreign Policy experience and it shows. And you know what . The arrows may have come because ramaswamy took every opportunity on the stage to defend and praise the man who wasnt there, donald trump. President trump, i believe, was the best president of the 21st century. Thats a fact. Joining me now is the republican president ial candidate that was at the center of the debate, vivek ramaswamy. Mr. Ramaswamy, welcome back to Meet The Press. Its good to talk to you, chuck. Let me start with the tragedy that took place in jacksonville. This is what sheriff waters, how he described the incident last night. That the shooting was racially motivate, and he hated black people. He wanted to kill [ bleep ]. He targeted a Certain Group of people, and thats black people, and thats what he said he wanted to kill, and thats very clear. I dont know that the targets were very specific, but i know that any member of that race at that time was in danger. Both the fbi and dhs in the last two years have said that racially motivated violent extremism is on the rise. This is clearly part of that. What would a president ramaswamy want the Justice Department to do about this racially motivated violence that were seeing on the rise . I think that every criminal deserves to be punished to the fullest extent of the law especially when theyre carrying out premeditated crimes like this one. This is a heinous crime. My heart goes out to the families who were affected by this. It is tragic, and this should not be happening in the United States of america. I think the fact of the matter is, chuck, it is a system simsome of a deeper new form, and my job as the next president is to lead with a national tone of character that reminds us of how we are all united across our diverse attributes. I think part of the problem is we have obsessed so much over racial and other genetic differences that we have forgotten all of the ways were really the same as a country, and i do think we need a leader in the white house developing that National Character for this country again. We also do have a Mental Health epidemic across this country, chuck, that really is reflective of a hunger for purpose and meaning. We need to fill that void, address the Mental Health epidemic, but this is a tragedy and deserves to be called heinous. Thats exactly what it was. Why do you think there are more racebased crimes on the right than on the left . Whoo is this a little more pervasive a lot more pervasive on the right . The fact of the matter is i think that theres a lot more violence thats pervasive in part of the country that supposedly are leftwing voter basis. I dont think this is a left versus rightish, and u dont think we should politicize this through partisan goggles especially in the wake of a tragedy like this one. Do you ignore the manifesto . There are people dying on the south side of chicago. Do you ignore the elements thats allowed this manifesto to spread online and that what were it does feel as if social media connects some of these hateful ideologies. The fact of the matter is i do think we have two standards that were applying if were having a conversation about manifestos. We still have not even seen the manifesto of the transgender shooter of a Christian School and were looking at this the as a motive. Lets look at the political media and the political establishment are doing in how they analyze different crimes and create a new narrative. What i said in the nashville Shooter Killing ill say here. It is heinous, we need to get to the root cause and set the right tone in the country, but if were going to talk about manifestos and politicization, i i think it is incomplete not to look at that nashville shooter manifesto even as of today, so ive personally traveled to nashville to call for it, and thats the real evidence in terms of Real Politicalization in terms of what the public sees and what the public doesnt. I want to establish this through one standard of the rule of law for everybody. Do you believe racism is a Mental Health issue . I do believe that racism in many cases is manufactured in a way that creates more racism in this country. I cannot think of a greater way, chuck, of Driving Racism in this country than to take Something Else away from someone based on the color of their skin. So is there existing racism in the United States . Of course, there is, but those last burning embers of racism and the last thing i want to do is Throw Kerosene on it, and yet thats exactly what i believe the modern culture is doing, creating racebased quotas and systems based on the color of their skin. The right answer to stop discrimination of race, as john roberts said, is to stop discrimination on the basis of race. Your argument comes across your argument comes across as blaming those that are trying to u create equality for the rise in racism. Well, the fact is, chuck, i dont want to be playing the blame game. I want to be going towards a solution, and im genuinely worried that those who earnestly espouse the view im going to Quote Abraham Kendy directly. Im not putting words in anybodys mouth, the right answer to present discrimination is future discrimination. I think the people who hold that view are earnest about it, but i think theyre wrong and thats creating more discrimination and more division in our country, and i think the right answer is actually to restore colorblind equality, colorblind mary tock kra see, embrace what unites us across our diversity, and celebrate our skindeep diverse attributes. Its not blaming anybody else for having a dint point of view, but as a leader its my job to articulate exactly how we will unite this country and thats exactly how i will do it. Let me move to the debate, and a lot of people are asking this president , if you think donald trump is the greatest president of the 21st century, hes running. Why are you running against him . Why do you think his second term wont be as good as his first . Well, look, i did say hes the best president of the 21st century from george bush to barack obama, from donald trump to joe biden, i dont think its even close. Who was the best . I judge by results. That being said, i believe i can take the America First agenda even further than donald trump did. I think i will be more effective in uniting this country in the process. Look at the way were running this campaign. Im not leaving any state behind, any city behind, no american left behind, from the south side of chicago to kensington to places where traditional republicans dont go. I think i am best positioned to deliver a Landslide Election in multiethnic workingclass majority, and i do think a landslide is what we need in this country and not a 50. 1 election, and im the only candidate in this race who can do that. A political neophyte outsider became president and didnt get a lot of things done that he wanted to get done in donald trump, why do you think somebody with less experience than donald trump had is somehow going to make the federal government function in a way that youre outlining . So i think there are three things i would say. The first is we have that experience to learn from. First, i want to build on the foundation that trump laid. I would invite him as a mentor and i want to take on the administrative state. The second thing, chuck, i do think its an outsider to take on the administrative state, but i also think it needs to be an outsider who has a deep, first personal understanding of the laws and constitution of this country. I think trump was in many cases duped by his managerial advisers, for example, who said you cant fire employees in the federal government due to Civil Service protections. Read the law. Turns out those Civil Service protections only apply to individual firings, not to mass layoffs. Mass layoffs are absolutely what i will bring to the dc bureaucracy, and i think the fact that i am from a different generation, chuck, will be an asset. I am able to reach young americans. I am able to reach people who havent traditionally been brought into the mold of republican politics. I dont even talk about republicans and democrats, and so i think ill be able to build a greater moral mandate across generations that helps Unite Americans around the America First agenda rather than make it a strictly partisan affair. Let me bring up a question that you didnt get to answer. Most said mike pence did the right thing on january 6th. Do you agree . I would have done it very differently. I think there was a historic opportunity that he missed to reunite this country. This is a moment for a True National consensus where there are two elements of whats required for a functioning democracy in america. One is secure elections, and the second is a peaceful transfer of power. When those things come into conflict of power, theres an opportunity for heroism. Heres what i would have said. We need singleday voting on election day. We need Paper Ballots, and we need governmentissued i. D. Matching the voter file, and if we achieve that then we have achieved victory and we should not have any further complaint about Election Integrity. What would you have done with mike pence . You would have not certified the election . In my capacity as president of the senate i would have led through that level of reform, then on that condition certified the election results, served it up to the president President Trump to sign that into law and on january 7th, declare the Reelection Campaign pursuant to a free and fair election, and i think thats the missed opportunity and thats what we need to reunite the country rather than sweeping those concerns under the rug. In your book which wasnt written that long ago you wrote the fact that all of our governmental institutions so unanimously found no evidence of significant fraud is telling. Furthermore, i have talked to many republicans at all levels of government and not one has ever presented convincing evidence that the 2020 election was stolen. I think many have tried, and i dont think republican politicians actually think the election was stolen. You went from there and 11 months later your views have changed on january 6th. Again, this book was written september of 2022. Chuck, im ready to address that, if youre interested. Yeah. Reading exactly that chapter in the book i drew a sharp distinction between what i did see in the interference of the election that mattered which was interference by big tech. Im data driven. Theres hard data showing that many voters, many independent result enough to influence the outcome of the election if they had been exposed about the hunter biden laptop story. By contrast i have also been clear, i have not yet seen evidence that there was ballot fraud of a scale that would change that result. Im responding to data on both fronts. The fact of the matter if were looking at reuniting this country there are serious concerns on both sides and especially on the right of ballot fraud and big Tech Interference and there is a very clear result in the way we can azres that. Ive offered a clear consensus that everyone can get behind, and if people think that this issue is a threat to our democracy, that should be an easy consensus to be able to rally around, and thats how ill lead as president. First of all, you never talk about the tech stuff in your book. This is a new thing you have not talked about this hunter biden aspect of this. We were looking for it. I think you have not read i think you have not read Nation Of Victims literally read the book and there was 20 pages of content devoted to this. Its fine. You dont have an obligation to read my book, but if you do, quote it correctly. We have been and let me quote it again. Youre referring to republicans. We used stolen Election Stories as a back door to embracing our own victim identity path, pursuing an easy path to power. Throughout this entire book, you mock the entire january 6th aspect. You absolutely criticized donald trump for being a sore loser. You write about it in a way of making your point that weve become a Nation Of Victims, and right now on tv youre doing the exact opposite. Im not. Chuck, i want to be very clear. I preach to conservative audiences i was in iowa over the last two days, and what did i tell them . Were not going to be victims. Were going to be victorious. Whether i talk to the left or the right, ive said the same thing and i have been very clear, chuck, and i want to be clear today that i would have made very different judgments than donald trump did that day and on many matters on his path out of office and theres a difference between a bad judgment and a crime, and what ive been clear about is when we criminalize those bad judgments, thats an abuse of the Justice System and it undermines trust not only in our elections, but our Justice System, and we have to be able to draw those distinctions, and it would take that leader who can preach to both tribes in this country to reunite this country. Did donald trump make the right judgments . No. I said so then and i say so now, that we criminalize it . Absolutely not. In order to do that on the Election Integrity issue we have an opportunity to put this debate behind us by singleday voting as a National Holiday with Paper Ballots and governmentissued i. D. And this should not be controversial, and if that should reunite this country as i think it will, thats how i would lead as president. Thats my commitment. Again, from your book, no one likes a sore loser and thats one of the worst victim complexes of all. Are you referring to donald trump . I referred in that chapter both to Stacey Abrams and to donald trump, and i think that the answer is we knead leaders who ultimately stand for victory over victimhood. We did have a Victimhood Culture that started on the left in this country. The oppression hierarchy, my worry is that can spread to the right and the way that this socalled culture war will end is not with a bang, but with a whimper. That related to my earlier conversation on seeing each other based on the color of our skin. I think that is deeply divisive. What we need in this country is to revive the shared ideals that unite all of us as americans. The pursuit of excellence, meritocracy, free speech, the rule of law. I genuinely believe, chuck, that most americans regardless of black or white, red or blue share those ideals in common and thats what im reviving. I understand that, but, again, let me go back to quoting you. The Republican Party seems to be moving toward the position that any wins are legitimate and any losers were stolen. Its just a conservative brand of victimhood, a kneejerk sore losing more common to mayground than great republics. You seem to at the time you wrote your book believe this was potentially damaging to the rule of law, this was not a way to have a democracy thrive, and youre now speaking in a way that gives essentially a Permission Slip to Election Deniers to believe theres some truth to something that you yourself have yet to find evidence of. Chuck, i stand by everything i said. That was a book where 11 of the 12 chapters were dedicated to a lot of leftwing victimhood in this country, but it would have been incomplete for me to not call out my own tribe. My point is i dont want to see this in terms of red versus blue. Weve created an Incentive Structure in this country, whoever you are, whatever your skin color, increasingly whatever your political affiliation to see yourself as a victim. Hardship is not the same thing as victimhood. We are going through hardship as a country right now including many conservatives. Hardship is sometimes not a choice. Victimhood is a choice. So whoever the american is that im talking to, i say we do not choose victimhood. We choose victory. That is who we are, and i think we can be stronger on the other side of it. Chuck, this isnt some game of gotcha. I stand by everything ive written over the last three years in the books except on a few areas of facts where as the new facts that have come out ive changed my mind, but on the core theses, i am in the exact place as when i wrote the books and i am not in this race to lead a political party. I am in this race to lead a nation. Im using the Republican Party as a vehicle to advance an America First agenda that i think many american, most americans can rally behind and thats what we will need. I know youve only voted in two president ial elections. Where did you vote in 2020 and how did you vote . I voted in ohio, and during the coronavirus pandemic, i voted by mail. Thats exactly how i voted, and the fact of the matter is the fact of the matter is i think we should have one standard for everybody, for me, for much of my 20s i was disaffected by politics. I understand why young people are disaffected. I was uninspired by john kerry and george bush. I voted libertarian that year. Or john mccain or barack obama. So i dont make any bones about it. I talk about it in my speeches. And you were also uninspired by donald trump in 2016, right . I was skeptical of donald trump in 2016. I had grown up in a generation where i felt like we were lied to from the Weapons Of Mass Destruction in iraq and those are republican, to the Russia Collusion hoax and i was deeply skeptical and i judged based on results, and i voted for him with confidence in 2020. Vivek ramaswamy, you became the center of the debate. We will be following your campaign as it goes on. Be safe on the trail. Thanks for coming on and sharing your views. Thank you, chuck. I appreciate it. When we come back, what is the biden second term agenda . Bernie sanders, President Bidens rival in 2020 shares his thoughts and what he wants democrats to be running on. S ton we will be following your thoughts and what he wants we will be following your thoughts and what he wants to duckduckgo on all your Devie Duckduckgo comes with a built n engine like google, but its pi and doesnt spy on your searchs and duckduckgo lets you browse like chrome, but it blocks cooi and creepy ads that follow youa from google and other companie. And theres no catch, its fre. We make money from ads, but they dont follow you aroud join the millions of people taking back their privacy by downloading duckduckgo on all your devices today. Welcome back. Back in april senator Bernie Sanders who of course was bidens chief rival in the 2020 democratic primaries rolled out a third president ial bid and endorsed biden for reelection. Sanders was back in New Hampshire, one of those early president ial states where he won both the 2016 and 2020 primaries to share what he called his Concrete Agenda at the New Hampshire institute of politics. When you go to New Hampshire, it sparks speculation about his own political future. It is no secret that i want joe biden to be reelected president. If that is going to happen, if we are going to defeat authoritarianism and rightwing extremism, there has got to be an id longitudinal cal change, of course. The independent from vermont, Bernie Sanders joins me now. Welcome back to Meet The Press. Thank you for having me. So the fact that you felt the need to do this, should we read into the fact that you dont believe theres a secondterm agenda yet, that americans can wrap their head around for what a Second Biden Term would look like . No. I think what you can read into that is that biden has every right to be proud of a long series of accomplishments. You know, two and a half, three years ago, this country was in the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression because of covid. Today unemployment is all of 3 . Were gaining new jobs and rebuilding manufacturing, weve invested in the infrastructure. Were making progress, and peden has a right to be proud of that. The point of my remarks is that you cannot simply, as president of the United States, rest on your laurels. What you have got to understand is that today for structural reasons that have gone on for decades, tens and tens and millions of people are struggling to put food on the table. They cant afford health care. They cant afford prescription drugs. They cant afford housing. They cant afford child care. And meanwhile in the midst of all that, you have the incredible corporate greed, and the Billionaire Class has never done better. So my message yesterday for the democrats, not just the president , if you want to do well in this election, talk to the needs of the American People and have the guts to take on the big money and that have so much power. It sounds like you think the phrase finish the job is something to rally around and there needs to be more than that. Well, its yes. You need to recognize that not only have we accomplished a great deal the first three years, and he deserves credit for that, but there are so many longterm problems that this country is facing. Does anybody in america think that our Health Care System is working . And yet the Insurance Companies make tens of billion of dollars and drug Companies Make tens of billions of dollars and we dont have enough doctors, nurses, Mental Health providers, pharmacists, dentists. So we need fundamental reform in health care, and by the way, the existential issue of our time is whether or not we address Climate Change, and we have made some steps forward, but there is no question in my mind if were going to allow our kids and grandchildren to live in a healthy plan net, weve got a lot, lot more to do. Do you think there should be a robust discussion on this on the left if there were a competitive primary . Do you think there should be . Well, i think in this particular time, this particular moment in American History when were taking on somebody, the former president who, in fact, does not believe in democracy, hes an authoritarian and a very, very dangerous person, i think at this moment theres got to be a unification of progressive people in general all over the country, people who are prepared to make sure women control their own bodies, that we deal with Climate Change and we represent the needs of the Working Class in this country and take on the Billionaire Class. One way that you make it clear that age isnt a factor with you is youre pretty energetic and we see you travel the country and you show up and do interviews. It is clearly an issue for many voters when it comes to President Biden. Hes a year younger than you. Do you have advice to him on how he should assuage those concerns in the public about his age . Look, when people look at a candidate whether its joe biden or trump or Bernie Sanders, anybody else, they have to evaluate a whole lot of factors. I met with the president i dont know, five or six weeks ago, we had a great discussion, he seemed fine to me, but i think at the end of the day, what weve got to ask for ourselves is what to people stand for . Do you believe that women have the right to control their own bodies . The president has been strong with that. Do you think that Climate Change is real or do you agree with the republicans that its a nonissue . Do you think we should raise the minimum wage . Do you think we should reform and take on the Pharmaceutical Industry . So age is an issue, chuck, but there are a lot of broader issues than just that. Let me ask you about cornell west. He was a cochair of your campaign in 2020. Hes flirting with a green party bid for president. The numbers tell the story between 2016 and 2020. You can directly correlate the twothird party major candidates, thirdparty candidates and their collective total. That was the difference between bidenwinning states and clinton losing those key states. Are you trying to discourage cornell west from running . Well, ive known cornell for many, many years. Hes a very independentminded guy and he will do what he wants to do. I just think, again, i think cornell or anybody else can play an Important Role now about raising issues that are not always discussed, but at the end of the day, i think the Progressive Community in general and the American People have got to make a decision as to whether we stand for democracy or authoritarianism or whether or not were going to represent workingclass families. One of your chief political advisers is concerned that cornell west is being taken advantage of by maybe people that simply want his name on the ballot. Do you have those concerns . I really havent thought of it that closely. All right. Bernie sanders, the independent senator from vermont who we saw in New Hampshire yesterday. Thanks for coming on and sharing your views with us. Good to see you. Thank you. When we come back, the republican president ial hopefuls try to make the case for why theyre the best alternative to donald trump, but do Republican Voters really want an alternative . The panel is next. T. Save 50 on the sleep number® limited Edition Smart bed. Plus, 60month financing on all smart beds. Shop now only at sleep number®. But blendjet■s back to school sale is in full swing blendjet gives you icecrushing, big Blender Power on the go so you can whip up a mouthwatering beverage wherever you are. Enjoy 15 plus blends before rapidly recharging via usbc. Cleanup is a breeze just blend water with a drop of soap. Stand out even when youre accidentally twinning with our kaleidoscope of colors. Don■t be tardy for this sale head to blendjet. Com and order yours now. Welcome back. The panel is here. Former democratic congresswoman Stephanie Murphy of welcome back. The panel is here. Former democratic congresswoman Stephanie Murphy of florida. Marcos moulitsas, founder of the daily kos, pat mccrory, and Danielle Pletka, senior fellow at the American Enterprise institute. Let me start with the visual that i think will live for quite some time and that is the Show Of Hands on donald trump. Lets play it again. If former President Trump is convicted in a court of law, would you still support him as your partys choice . Please raise your hand if you would. [ cheers and applause ] dani pletka, it was a moment especially like a cascade and a wave and Everybody Else, and it was this reluctance. There was that christie weird hand signal thing. I do see it slightly differently because they all went on to that stage having made a pledge that they would support the partys nominee. So never did say they had to support a convicted felon in that pledge. The partys nominee, theres no asterisk there that says he cant have a mugshot, right . So i feel for them in the sense that they were sort of none of them wanted to raise their hand except vivek. None of them wanted to, but they all felt like they had to. How did vivek end up the center of attention . I dont understand that game theory because leaving desantis alone seemed to be you know, Everybody Else truly tried to get to trump, you had to go through desantis. Im a big eagles fan, and theres a song, the New Kid In Town, it applies to politics too. Hes the New Kid In Town and he wants to get as much attention as possible, and hell say and do anything to get that attention, and he fulfilled that objective, but he also had previous new kids in town who now have political maturity like chris christie, pence, and nikki haley, and they went, were not going to put up with this, and that was a tough debate desags because the more they jump on him, the more attention he gets, but they drew him out. I mean, hes almost from a Foreign Policy perspective, hes the neville chamberlain. Hes not ronald reagan. Did they try him out or were they really trying to attack donald trump . Hes asking for revolution. I have the equivalent of punching a couch cushion. You cant attack donald trump so they were going to attack vivek . Thats an interesting question. I dont think ive thought about that. I think he just got on their nerves and he was so freakin obnoxious and he couldnt take it anymore. Who is this can you imagine somebody who admitted he hadnt even thought about Foreign Policy until six months ago, man explaining to nikki haley who was a u. N. Ambassador about Foreign Policy . They just couldnt help themselves. Thats what i think. Stephanie, what did you see . I think that he embodied exactly what the Harvard University calls him the section guy, josh wrote about this. Hes the guy who speaks in class incessantly but doesnt say anything of merit and of substance, and everybody cant stand him, but they kind of have to still be on the good side because one day hes running for public office, and here he is running for president. What do you think about this guy that successfully hacked his way into the center stage of the party this easily with the Information Ecosystem just oled him to center stage. I have a vivek answer, a gliblike answer. Everything has become like reality tv. This is how we ended up with the guy saying youre fired. Hes a kardashian. Theres no accountability in politics, right . He can say whatever he wants and if he said Something Different the day before, no one cares because hes there and he believes hes entertaining you in the moment. And hes entertaining you, exactly, in the moment. He told everyone some voters did want to see some toughness. Look what happened. A lot of times candidates want to tell us, nobody asked us about trump on the trail. Heres Tim Scott On The Trail being asked by a republican about donald trump. Watch this. Do not stand toe to toe with somebody that you dont accept in president. We disagree on the foundation of the premise of the question, and the premise of the question is why dont you stand up to trump . I never heard you i didnt hear you the other night say that. I cant accept him as president. Do you want to have a conversation or do you want to have a monologue . If you want to have a dialogue, ill be speaking as well. That escalated quickly. I was stunned that tim scott sort of almost went after the voter. He didnt seem like he was being angry. He knew he was being filmed and he didnt want to irritate the trump base, and, listen, im an example of that. I had a 30point lead at one time in a u. S. Senate race, and the minute trump went against me, i dropped. Thats the power of donald trump. And the interview you did earlier with the New Kid In Town, hes talking about a revolution while in the same interview he also said hes going to change the tone. I mean, thats within 48 hours. Stephanie, you represented one of the swingiest districts of the country. One, i think that was a mistake. You never engage with your voters that way on camera or not. Thats just a rookie mistake in engaging with voters. In swing states theyre wondering why we are faced with these two options, like and this debate was sort of separate from what the presumptive nominations are going to be for both parties, and, you know, were a country of 300 million people, and we dont have better alternatives . I want to bring up one other thing about the iowa poll because i think it tells us the way the Republican Party has changed and let me show you what the makeup of the republican kay caucus electorate was in 2016. It was 5050, slight advantage, male. 52 48 . According to our poll that we released this week, the likely republican electorate is now 61 male, 39 female. This is the trump effect. Whatever we want to talk about, this appears to be the trump effect, does it not . More men are turning out, but i think its interesting that you dont have any breakdown there so i dont know no, it is smaller. Its all the same except for gender. Everything else is the same on ideology, on College Education. We are seeing more men identify as republicans and more women not. Well, thats something that the Republican Party needs to deal with because there are a lot of women in this country. And we just had the summer of barbie and taylor swift tour. Women are having a moment in this country where they have an Economic Impact and they are having a voice and theyre going to want to go to the polls and reflect that. I thought thats why nikki haley did a good job in presenting that face. Absolutely. She potentially has room to grow if she can somehow get women to show up. Everybodys afraid of going after trump, right . But if you look at primary polling, trumps around 50 , 52 . Half of the party isnt aboard. If theres ten people splitting the rest of the vote thats a problem and you can consolidate. Well, you have allowed me to tease. When we come back, theres a divide among the Republican Party among voters who believe President Biden was legitimately elected and donald trump lost. We will show you that split inside the republican electorate in iowa. Data download is next. Wnload. I need it cool at night. You trying to ice me out of the bed . Baby, only on game nights. You know you are retired right . Am i . Ya the queen sleep number c2 smart bed is now only 999. Plus, 60month financing on all smart beds. Shop now only at sleep number. Welcome back. Its Data Download time. There are a lot of ways to understand the 2024 republican electorate. We have data that suggests one of the more crucial splits maybe between those republicans who believe donald trump won the 2020 election and those who dont believe and actually acknowledge that the former president lost. Let me show you here. Its almost a pretty even split. Barely a majority believe Donald Trumps false assertions. 41 of Iowa Republican caucusgoers do not believe Donald Trumps claims. And you know what . It leads to some interesting splits. Your favorability of donald trump depends on whether you believe him. Those that believe him, 92 favorable rating, and those who dont believe him, just 30 have a favorable rating here. As you can see, desantis, scott, and ramaswamy all have more evenly divided favorable ratings among both group. In theory they might unite both groups and donald trump not so much. Look at the divide between these two groups. 5141 here. Gun enthusiasts. If youre a believe category, 43 if you do not believe. More devoutly religious, those that believe Donald Trumps lies. You are more likely to be moderate if you dont believe Donald Trumps lies about the election and as you can see here the biggest divide among those that believe and dont believe, your College Education status. Nearly 60 have a Bachelors Degree among those that do not believe trumps false assertions and it leads to interesting splits on some key issues. Use of military at the border, genderaffirming care ban for minors as you can see here, significant divides, but among the most significant might be the idea of more aid for ukraine. Just a quarter of those who believe trumps lies support more aid for ukraine. Among those who dont believe trumps lies support more aid for ukraine. As you follow this primary season, keep track of those who believe the election lies of donald trump and those that dont inside the republican electorate. Monday will mark the 60th Washington where nearly a quarter million americans gathered on the National Mall in the fight for civil rights. Some know the event best as the day dr. Martin luther king jr. Delivered his I Have A Dream speech where he brought many of the same issues were dealing with today. Three days ahead of the march, dr. King responded to some of the his critics right here on Meet The Press. I am sure that many whites in both the north and south have the feeling that were pushing things too fast and that we should cool off a while, slow up for a period. I cannot agree with this at all for i think there can be no game shame of the fact that the ne fw ro has been extremely patient. We have waited now for a while, 345 years for our basic constitutional and godgiven rights, and we still confront the fact that we are at the bottom of the economic ladder. I think instead of slowing up, we must push at this point and we must continue to move on, and i am convinced that our moving on will not only help the negro cause so to speak and the cause of the whole of america because the shape of the world today just doesnt permit our nation the luxury of an anemic democracy. Those words may be 60 years old, but they have an impact today. When we come back, who has more to lose if a thirdparty candidate jumps into the president ial race . The panel is next. President ial race . The panel is next. Goli, taste your goals. Welcome back. So lets look at a biden general Election Campaign and the idea of a third party. Pat, you are a big part of no labels. Of a you guys are recruiting candidates. What is this ticket going to look like, and is this 100 commitment that there is going to be a ticket . Nikki haley and the debate confirmed that 65 of the people are disgusted with both trump and biden being our only choices. Theyre asking, isnt america better than this . Cant we have a better choice . And the momentum and movement of no labels is on fire right now. I get that there are a lot of people no, theyre not. No, theyre not. Im telling you right now, there are a lot of people who predicted trump would never be president , and the same people are saying theres no way in hell a third party can win. Im telling you. Weve never had 56 of the people disgusted with no parties. We stand for nothing, imagine going to walmart or target and seeing no labels on the products. Products are it ignores abortion. You missed a whole the barnburning issue such as medical tort reform, that will light up the audience. You have not read it. The reality is its finance industryheavy i read it. I actually read it. I read it last night. Thats why he couldnt sleep. Nikki haley basically repeated the no labels agenda. So the problem isnt isnt they dont like, you know, biden or trump, its that you are creating this idea that there is a mythical Unicorn Creature that will agree with these people who want Something Else. That doesnt exist. When they polled man chun and huntsman, they didnt get that much. I dont know. I will say and this is anecdotal conversations at my house, does that reflect the country . I dont know, but i will say that none of us want to vote for trump and none of us want to vote for biden. I want to vote for biden. I know who you want to vote for, dude. That wasnt a question. Thats right. Your house. Average people my house, dont want to vote for biden, dont want to vote for trump and i dont think its crazy. We do want to vote for somebody. Stephanie, you were ideologically in the middle. I wanted some ideological diversity, and we got a lot of it here. Where are you . I think i agree that when i have conversations with people in the swing part of what used to be a swing state they say, you know both presumptive nominees are running on im better than the alternate campaign, right . Biden said in the last campaign, dont judge me against the almighty. Judge me against the alternative. Thats not going to be enough. People are saying to themselves why are these our only alternatives. Biden has to give people a reason to vote for him, not just voting against trump. Markos, are you comfortable that there isnt a democratic primary . Would you like to see biden come up with a better case. Biden is very popular among democrats and civics polling biden is centering around 80 with democrats. Theres no space for an antitrump . There really is no space for an antibiden, and i mean, you talk about the popularity. You see republicans going to groundbreaking ceremonies for build back better and for the Inflation Reduction Act because taking credit for for projects that they voted against. I actually would say that theres not competition because a lot of these people are younger and the bench is younger and theyre preserving their ability to run in the future and they dont want to go up against a sitting president. Thats why we dont have options. Can you give us some names . Because you know, manchin and huntsman, thats not going to get you your unicorn. What other candidate . Im just saying i dont think there will be a shortage of candidates. Why cant you guys name some names . Because we want to go through a good process. Were going to have a convention in april, and were going to be very transparent with the American People, as we were with the 30 issues, commonsense issues so who funds the movement . You talk about transparency. Whos that . The same people who have groups that are funded with moveon. Org that are trying to stop us from getting on the ballot. This is a discussion that has to end because of time, but it will not end other than that. Thank you for watching. Well be back next week because if its sunday, its Meet The Press. The manifesto is, quite frankly, the diarrhea of a madman. He was completely irrational. Was it irrational thoughts . He knew what he was doing. He was 100 lucid. He knew what he was doing. Again, its disappointing that anyone would go to these lengths to hurt someone else. The sheriff in jacksonville, florida, yesterday describing the white gunman who carried out a racially motivated rampage on saturday afternoon