tell you that there are two male breakdowns and one female victim. almost all the deceased victims are black, the shooter had several manifestos. one to his parents, went to the media. and one federal agent. portions of these manifestos detailed the shooter's disgusting ideology of hate. plainly put, the shooting was racially motivated and he hated black people. >> and pc news, national correspondent is tracking developments for us in west palm the age, marissa bringing us up to speed, what we know at this hour? >> a lot of it you heard just now, authorities were largely type lit up until the last half hour, so alicia, what we learned from that press conference was frankly disturbing and illuminating. we know that there are four that total. including that man who, the shooters of assad jacksonville said he turned the gun on himself but that manifesto is such a key part of this because they say that this was rooted and white supremacy. that this was racially motivated, that manifesto detailed his desire to kill black people. but referred to black people as there and word in that manifesto, and we also learned that that manifesto was sent out to local media, to local law enforcement, as well as his own parents, and for some context here at this area of jacksonville that was targeted is predominantly black, there is a local university that was put on, the students were told to shelter in place as this was unfolded, this is a historically black anniversary, a small one, and when we talk about fatalities here we said that there were four total, but aside from the gunman we are talking about three victims. they were all black themselves. so, you know, when you connect the dots here, alicia, probably no coincidence that this was an area historically black, predominantly black. especially with the manifesto and the context here. i want to add some other details here, they said that the suspected shooter was outfitted with a tactical vest and had swastikas drawn on the guns that he had with him. now, the shooter turned the gun on himself as we mentioned, was believed to have resided with his parents, he was involved in 2016 domestic call in clay county with no arrests in 2017. these are preliminary details as you just heard from the sheriff's office. they are not releasing his name at the moment. when we look at the scene, when we look at the dollar general here, we saw people of course, overcome with grief. of course, looking at yet another instance of a tragedy that has become all too familiar in this area. so, you know, this is something that obviously in the coming days we hope to learn more about, alicia. we know that this is shaking their community. this is a scary thing to hear, especially when you hear someone who has a manifesto, with the desire to kill black people and acted on it. alicia? >> mariza para for us, mariza i hope you will join us later on the show as you have more reporting. i want to bring robert garcia of california, congressman thank you for being here with us. i want to take this into parts. there is access to weapons, in this case we know that the gunman had just a handgun and an ar-style rifle. there's also the hate and the ideology of heat that is permeating our society. one, easier to legislate than the other congressman? >> look, this is a community's worst nightmare. i was mayor of the city for eight years, i know what this does, the shattering of this community, it is terrific. we're sitting here watching this happen over and over again without any sort of action at the federal level by the congress. as a freshman member, this hopelessness that we are all feeling is shameful. we should be ashamed of our u. s. congress for not taking action, when we know that the solution to this is limiting guns. it's a limiting assault rifles, we saw that the gunman had obviously a weapon of war that civilians have no need to have for this type of activity or to use for anything for that matter. the idea that we cannot legislate a better solution is really frustrating. my heart goes out to the entire community and state and it clearly congress has to get to work. i'm grading my chief see what will be numerous messages of thoughts and prayers and no action after time and that is disgusting. as far as the hate and i think this is emblematic of where we're at as a country right now. we're seeing this huge racism, this new not see supremacist groups, and people taking action and using guns using loopholes in the law using our inaction in congress to kill people. to kill people in communities across the country. >> this issue feels sometimes as though it has become intractable. i want you to listen to what someone on the ground, this is a pastor from the community had to say about the moment the jacksonville finds itself in. >> i just want to say that this is the moment we come together. it's so sad that it happened in this part of the community. i've been here in this community for a long time, i've never seen anything like this. it's time for us to come together in our community. as a pastor, i'm ready to do whatever so we just need to make ourselves available. leadership needs to come together and truly people in our community need leadership. >> congressman, i ask you this as much as a member of congress, a member of the progressive caucus as i ask you as a person who served as mayor for eight years. when you talk about the coming together when you talk about the healing this is inherently complicated when you talk about survive a ship it becomes more complicated when you talk about communities that have been historically marginalized and under resourced that may not have the counseling access resources they need on the daily basis, much less in the wake of a tragedy. when you talk about the coming together when you talk about the healing this is inherently complicated when you talk about survive a ship it becomes more complicated when you talk about communities that have been historically marginalized and under resourced that may not have the counseling access resources they need on the daily basis, much less in the wake of a tragedy. and as much as looking for action like things like gun safety and we can sit here and talk about the heat that permeates our nation at this moment, there is a question of what is owed to survivors of the resources that are necessary when you live in a country where this has become the status quo? >> i think all of that is absolutely right, first it is important for the sheriff to recognize that this was a racist attack against black people. clearly it was motivated that way, i'm sure we will learn even more about the hateful messages that have been left behind by it's a shooter and this coward. so it is important for the community and us as a country to recognize that this was an attack on the black community, within that city, and so that is going to take ensuring that that community especially is supported at this time and the resources are on the ground that mental health providers are there. that schools are able to bring in children and families and provide the support that will be needed in that community. at the same time as all of that is happening, we have to continue to push out these moments and really take our anger that we should feel. it's not just sadness but anger and try to turn that into action. these members of congress and across the country, it is past time to add a minimum get to banning these assault rifles, which we used to do in this country. it's totally crazy. >> congressman, before i let you go understanding that you and i were slated to talk about a whole series of other issues, i would be amiss if i didn't talk about the fact that today 's the 50th anniversary of the march on washington, the march on washington this anniversary of course centering gun violence. so to watch this split screen where an african american community has been targeted by someone who wrote multiple hate filled manifesto's about the desire to attack black americans, as you heard from the sheriff there. this was racially motivated, you have the fbi looking into this as a hate crime. how do you reconcile the split screen that arc of justice, 50 years and yet this happening just today in jacksonville? >> it's very hard. i mean, obviously, we're trying to recognize the importance of this day and of the movement, the march and if we really want to take that spirit of supporting and uplifting and hope and peace we need to be translating that into action. all of these empty words or these uplifting of martin luther king, civil rights movement of coming together, it's nothing without actual action. so, i hope that we can take this moment, obviously provide all that's needed for this community, my heart goes out to it, but past that take some action. >> california congressman robert garcia, thank you so much for being with us. more coverage of the shooting in jacksonville as a head, we have someone standing by with the other stories that we are looking at msnbc. >> two people have been arrested in connection -- saturday morning, at least eight people were injured, seven were hospitalized with non-life-threatening injuries. police say the shooting was not relayed it to the parade. and in oklahoma, a shooting at a high school football game left a 16 year old boy dead. police say an argument between at least two men lead to gunshots friday night. at least four other people were injured. so far, no arrests but investigators are searching for a person of interest. and in hawaii, officials in maui have released a list of 388 people who are still missing after wildfires decimated the city earlier this month. the new list is a sharp contrast to the estimated 1000 people who remained unaccounted for earlier this week. the number of the missing is expected to drop in the coming days. more american voices right after this break. 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>> in some ways i think legally it can be advantageous to donald trump, but politically it may be disadvantages. here is what, legally he will get a preview of the prosecution case. he can develop his own strategy and response to that. and they can lock in witnesses to their stories. a skilled defense attorney can use cross-examination to point out minor and not really relevant and consistencies and someone's story and make them look like they are an unreliable reporter, when the time comes to testify the case. so, legally, it is helpful to have somebody go first. politically, i think a big part of donald trump's strategy is delay so he can claim i have a perfectly legitimate defense, i have an expert report that completely exonerates mean you will find all about that after the election. if we see the trial of some of the other defendants first, and we see the gory details of the evidence, then it may be that that political strategy backfires on him. >> molly, i want to hear you jump in on the political strategy, right? if the entire point from donald trump's legal team has been in part a legal argument but of course a political argument they want to push this past the election, i know you have the codefendants who are beginning early, right? and actually they are beginning to show us what it is that fani willis has, just how damaging is that for donald trump? >> well, i would say that look, trump wants to do this case in the court of public opinion. he wants his people to get on his side, and he is going to do that by trying to kind of say this is not about him. this is about a prosecution that is unfair. this is a country that is coming after him. which of course we know is completely untrue. but that is part of the game. i do think he wants to run out the clock because he knows that he can keep his people, or he can get his people on his side won the nomination. and remember trump world wants to stay alive another day. >> molly, i appreciate your ability to have coherent thoughts as the puppy loses its mind, i can barely keep up train of thought when my children do the same. ryan, you have of course covered countless prosecutions of those who broke into the u. s. capitol, wrote a book about it in fact. this, as we are watching it, it's one piece of the story, how does the georgia indictment helped tell the bigger story of trump's multipronged effort to stay in power? >> well, for a one chesebro is on the ground of the capitol, he's one person who theoretically, at least, he won't ultimately but could face charges, very few defendants have faced charges for being on the outside of the capital. but, you know, right now we are essentially at more than the halfway point for the overall january six investigation. early on in the investigation one of the fbi officials said we are in the first quarter, we are getting started but now the clock is ticking because calm 2026, it's one of the statute of limitation ends on these offenses, that's when they have to do it. right now there has been 1100 people charged. but, you know the total number of people could be charges upwards of 3000. so, every week we are seeing new cases come in. a lot of the people i speak with are doing the numbers and on the back of the napkin doing the math here, they say they really have to step it up in order to get to the people who committed violent acts that day. the fbi's website, if you go the right now, there are hundreds of people who assaulted law enforcement officers who have not yet been arrested. at least 100 of them have been identified, but not yet arrested. it really is that they are holding the fbi, their feet to the fire at this point. they're trying to put pressure on the, make sure these cases come through because a lot of the tips even that we see just recently as this week they were in the fbi's hand in 2021. a lot of this is docket manage but especially when you are getting the massive trump trial thrown into d. c., there's a lot for the system to handle. it's an unprecedented number of cases that they have to work through. >> barbara, it brings me back to the argument that he makes about the fact that this is a message to anyone who would consider re-running this playbook with donald trump in a future election. i want to ask you georgia secretary of state raffensperger set to testify the hearing on monday and mark meadows request to move his case to federal court, what is if you will be watching for on monday? >> i will be looking for how mark meadows is able to satisfy his burden of showing that he was accurate in the scope of his own authority. it is on the moving party to show and proved the court that he was as i see these allegations it's all about political activity and campaign activity as opposed to governing. the purpose of the rule is to provide -- and so i think that that is an uphill climb for meadows, we will see if you can make it. >> barbara, ryan, molly, as always, thank you all so much for being with us. ahead, more on what officials say just a short time ago about the racially motivated shooting that claimed three lives in jacksonville florida. you are watching american voices. still disrupts my skin. despite treatment it disrupts my skin with itch. it disrupts my skin with rash. but now, i can disrupt eczema with rinvoq. rinvoq is not a steroid, topical, or injection. it's one pill, once a day. many taking rinvoq saw clear or almost-clear skin while some saw up to 100% clear skin. and, they felt dramatic and fast itch relief some as early as 2 days. that's rinvoq relief. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal, cancers including lymphoma and skin cancer, death, heart attack, stroke, and tears in the stomach or intestines occurred. people 50 and older with at least one heart disease risk factor have higher risks. don't take if allergic to rinvoq, as serious reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. disrupt the itch and rash of eczema. talk to your doctor about rinvoq. learn how abbvie can help you save. try killing bugs the worry-free way. not the other way. zevo traps use light to attract and trap flying insects with no odor and no mess. they work continuously, so you don't have to. zevo. people-friendly. bug-deadly. age is just a number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv what do we always say, son? 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>> so look. all i want to do is this. i just want to find, uh, 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state. >> now, more than two and a half years later, the quest to hold trump accountable for the plot to find those votes as planned out in georgia's court system. on monday, jordan center of state bred raffensperger is locked testify and hearing senate around indicted codefendant mark meadows. meadows is fighting to move his case out of state court, argument belongs in federal court since he was serving as trump's white house chief of staff. this is just one of 19 co-defendants, including donald trump, charged in d a fani willis's sprawling election interference case. the voting rights advocate latosha brown rights for msnbc. com it would be a mistake if we only focused on trump. we must also address the erosion of democratic values that make it possible for a twice impeached former president with four indictments that accused him of having committed a total of 98 felonies to still be the republican front runner in the 2024 presidential election. our nation is at a crossroads and we must raise but we are democratic donors and the when at all costs hyperpartisanship that dominate our political system. latosha joins me now. also with us, msnbc political analyst carlos curbelo. latosha, before i even begin heaven the confrontation with the three of us, which is critical and important, i have to reflect on the date there is a celebration and commemoration of the 60th anniversary of the march on washington, and on the same date that we are celebrating 60 years since that day, there is a racially motivated shooting of black people and a black community in jacksonville, florida. and we're sitting here talking about voter suppression. how do you reckon with the fact that those things are all happening on the same date 60 years later? >> first, my heart goes out to the families in the jacksonville community. i want to say that i think -- is insane. they drive around racial hate. what we say, the shooting that happened today in jacksonville, is also stand from that same sense of hate and white superiority that is the same is the voter suppression we are seeing. it wasn't by accident, when donald trump called georgia and other states that it was a state he figured he could actually be able to impact, i think, minority votes and democratic-leaning voters. so it is a tragedy. we are going to have to deal with the real issue. sometimes it looks like shootings and our communities. sometimes it looks like increased ballots. sometimes it looks like -- but all of this stems from the same thing. until we have a real reckoning, with racial justice and racial equity in this country, and really center humanity, we're going to continue to face suffering. >> part of the reason i wanted to speak with you specifically as we have i thought of people on talking about georgia, talking about the way that the state has been reshaped by what happened in georgia and by the case we are now watching unfold. i want to hear it from you. not what is happening to republicans, what is it going to mean for 2024. if this is a party organizing and the work of making it easier for people to vote and participate in our democracy, rather than making it harder and undermining that work, where does it leave someone like you and your organization today? >> we have to do the work. we have to believe. just like today when we are commemorating what dr. king said was i have a dream. but what people don't know, that march was titled the march for jobs and freedom. it talked about economic justice and poverty. he talked about police brutality. he talked about the need for voting rights. those are things we are talking about six years ago, that have not been resolved. so organizations and people doing the work, like myself, we see this as a day -- to recommit ourselves and radically promotion. we can have a democracy that is inclusive, the one we desire, and the one we deserve. >> mr. curbelo, georgia is one of the few places we have actually seen top republican officials stand up to trump's election lies. voters have repeatedly rejected trump backed election deniers on the ballot. so as someone outside of georgia, who is looking to georgia, what is the example georgia consent for what is possible? >> alicia, there are very strong examples in georgia of honest republican leadership can look like. that is governor brian kemp who has refused to go along with former president trump's lie. has refused to go along with this game, when the president reached out, and he is extremely popular as a matter of fact. you look at the way he performed in the state. and it should show other republicans that there is a path to being honest about what happened in the 2020 election and being successful in an election. and i think on some of his primary candidates, they're starting to figure this out. there were some willing to step up a little more than that used to at this last debate last week. so perhaps others -- there are some hope here the republican party can cause correct and make a basic commitment to the truth. >> latosha, i'm sure you have thoughts on brian kemp, but i want to get at something critical and easy to miss. your group along with other voting rights organizations are pushing back against the process to verify a petition against a proposed police training center in atlanta which critics call capacity. the atlanta journal-constitution claims, quote, if prior petition drives are any guide to force a referendum on atlanta's puublic safety training center, could be haunted by the city's stringent line by line review of 104,000-plus signatures -- i don't have a ton of time, but i do want to get your view on how signature verification can undermine whose votes get counted and who's doesn't and how much of our democracy is tied up in what can often look like bureaucracy? >> petition verification is, voter suppression. anytime we add an additional barrier to participate, that is voter suppression. that is something we and other groups have continued to rise and push up against. it is absolutely ridiculous we're in this position in the first place. ask the people what they want, they respond, if you're really representing and in democracy. >> you understood when i had very little time to explain something very complicated, you've got exactly what i'm. latosha, former congressman curbelo, thank both so much. nick, separating fact from fiction on what they gop candidates said this week on abortion. michelle goodwin helps his way through all the misinformation. and later, author prachi gupta is here to discuss her new book the question for model minority myth and what has cost for her family. stay with us. and we're done. hm, what about these? ♪ looks right. 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you may pay as little as $10 per prescription. >> republicans or slowly but surely chipping away a group of health care across this country. just last week, a six-week abortion ban went into effect in south carolina. indiana became the 15th state to completely ban the procedure. several gop presidential hopefuls used the first debate this week to push a federal ban. much of what they said had, well, a loose relationship with the truth. >> what the democrats are trying to do on this issue is wrong, to allow abortion all the way up to the moment of birth. >> we cannot let states like california, new york, and illinois have abortions on demand up until the day of birth. that is a moral. it is unethical. it is wrong. we can't leave it to illinois. we can't leave it to minnesota. we can't leave it to illinois. we must solve the issue -- >> can't we have a minimum standard and every state in the nation that says when a baby is capable of feeling pain, and abortion cannot be allowed? a 15-week ban is a deal. it's time has come, it is supported by 70% of the american people. >> to help us separate fact from fiction, let's bring in georgetown university law professor michele goodwin, the author of policing the womb, invisible women and the criminalization of motherhood. michelle, i didn't even know where began with a number of falsehoods that were spotted on that stage. how about we start with what we heard from tim scott riley abortion on demand. really taking what is a medical rarity and trying to frame it as a question of choice. >> the complicated matter here is that, in the backdrop of this, we have litigation in texas where three were women who nearly lost their lives, who wanted the pregnancies, are just setting faces that had no skulls. women that had -- twice and favors -- death. a lot of pregnancies were unable in the state of texas were able to be terminated. gawkers fillers at their medical licenses. feared criminal prosecutions that could lead to 1990 or incarceration or $100, 000 fines. if you look at, that this woman could actually be medical services and immediately. is that on demand when your life might die or you might die in the next hour if you don't get services? or in the next week? but of course the rhetoric here is women seeking to terminate their pregnancy the day before they would deliver. which is of course absolutely inaccurate. we have no scientific evidence and the united states of that. claiming any type of services when the woman is on her deathbed. >> -- a federal abortion ban. listen to what nikki haley and doug burnham have to say about it. >> i stand behind we should not have a federal abortion ban. we should not. the reason why we shouldn't is very simple. it is a tenth amendment. and the constitution. the constitution, which the states created the federal government, of the other way around. >> it is in the hands of the people, and that's where it should be. but when you are talking about a federal ban, be honest with the american people. >> i am being honest. >> we have not had 45 pro-life senators in over 100 years. so no republican president can't ban abortions, any more than a democratic president can't ban what the states are doing. don't make women decide on this issue when you know we donât have 60 senate votes. >> that should not be confused for being an advocate for reproductive rights and freedom. it is only on that stage that is made to feel like at moderate position. what us through what those arguments mean in practice? >> that's right, alicia. again, thank you so much for censoring these important health issues that are central to a democracy. first, understand this as political. it has been a political playbook. maybe we should start with the fact that this is not a -- tip-in abortion. -- five of the seven justices were republican appointed justices. justice black authored the opinion. roe v. wade was put on the court by richard nixon. when we look at it today, it is radically different from the republican position 50 years ago. and it is a party than that is trying desperately hard to swim out of the torrent that has been created of something that has been a political lean in. so the truth of it is, the supreme court and the dobbs decision -- but the reality is, live in these matters to the states, may see the confederacy rise again. we could talk a van diagram showing the former confederate states being the most antiabortion. leaving congress to deal with, seems something the supreme court is not willing to entertain. and nikki haley is right on that point. if the congress is also in disarray and unable to reach the level of most necessary in order to pass a 16-week abortion ban, that is something that senators like lindsey graham have been pushing and of course we still just this week in the state of north carolina, a six-week abortion ban going into effect with a 4 to 1 decision. something that even two years ago did not have master in the state of north carolina. so there is disarray amongst the republican party. >> i only have about 30 seconds left, michele, but i want to ask you about the abortion bans that went into effect this week. what does that mean for the state closest to the states that are still providing access to abortion? >> it means the reproductive health care desert. it means a lack of health care and services for people who need them. and this is for a range of health issues, because at the beginning of the date we must remember this as a health issue and that the united states leads all of the developed world in maternal mortality and maternal morbidity, ranking about 55th in the world. it is at the deep opposition quite frankly. >> as always, thank you so much, michele goodwin. next, author prachi gupta on how -- can have serious consequences, especially with immigrant families and communities. and at the top of the hour, an update on the racially motivated shooting that left three people dead inside a dollar store general in jacksonville, florida. stick with us. stick with us. 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>> he wanted to be taller. and i wanted to understand what the two or three inches of extra hard meant to him emotionally. and it took me down the street running of what it meant to be a proud man, and indian american man in america. and as his history, it unearthed all of these feelings and issues that we had never really talked about that i had no idea he was struggling with. >> on the one hand, you can be told your exceptional and part of being told you're exceptional means you don't have normal challenges and you didn't help. >> exactly, exactly. that is the model minority myth. it is the idea that asian americans are pegged as the good immigrants. and there comes with that all of these, sort of, signifiers. these suggestions of exceptionalism. but there are many problems with the stereotype. one of them is it pits communities of color against each other. but the other is, there's a tremendous psychological impact. that's what i wanted to explore in the book. that's what i began to explore and this as. that when we rise people to believe that they can only be exceptional, or if this image, they learn to suppress. this is what happened and my family. you learn to suppress and hot everything that doesn't fit with an image. and that has severe psychological and social impacts. and my family, it really affected our ability to create vulnerability and intimacy with each other. because we were so focused on being able to project the right image. the image that america expected us to project. >> it also occurs to me, and as much as they can pick one community against another community, within more inclusive groups like -- it can also put people against each other. what we just heard vivek ramaswamy saying is invoking that statement. the idea that because he succeeded, and achieved, quote unquote, the american dream. they are for that prove that america is a meritocracy where anyone can succeed if they work hard enough. and we just know that's not true. >> we know that's not true. it's also wild to me it was set on stage when you also had other candidates talking about the ways in which they want to make a relationship with mexico more violent and more controversial. to your point, say there are some immigrant who deserve to be here and some who do not. >> exactly. >> all right, prachi gupta, i am so happy you are here. congratulations on people. it is called, they called us exceptional and other lies that raised us. and it is count now. that is all the time i have for today. i'm alicia menendez. i want to make sure you follow our show on twitter, on instagram, and on tiktok. it is @aliciaonmsnbc. i'll see you back here tomorrow. after a short break, is eamonn. he'll have the latest on that mass shooting in jacksonville, florida. and much more after this. op. an all-in-one cleaning tool that gives you a mop and bucket clean in half the time. our new cleaning pad has hundreds of scrubbing strips- that absorb and lock dirt away, ( ♪♪ ) and it has a 360-degree swivel head- that goes places a regular mop just can't. so, you can clean your home faster than ever. don't mop harder, mop smarter, with the new swiffer powermop. meet the team... behind the team. the coach. the manager. and the snack dad. all using chase to keep up with their finances. the coach helps save goals here, because she saved for soccer camp there. anddd check this out... the manager deposited a check. magic. and the snack dad? 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