donald trump. also tonight, new reporting on mark meadows' delicate dance with special counsel jack smith. d.a. fani willis isn't dancing. tonight she's warning meadows to surrender by friday or face possible arrest. and we begin tonight with fear. donald trump's fear to be specific. because donald trump's fear has become all too obvious, even for the man formally known as teflon don. on monday, hours after his bond was set at $200,000, trump did a tell. he went on his great value version of twitter and announced that he will turn himself in to authorities in fulton county, georgia, on thursday. meaning at that moment, he will be under arrest. this will follow the surrender of some of the 18 others charged in georgia for alleged efforts to reverse the outcome of the 2020 election that trump lost in georgia and every other state he needed. and trump must be afraid, having watched some of his closest allies including john eastman who wrote the memo proposing how vice president mike pence can challenge biden's victory by rejecting key electoral college votes, watching him surrender in fulton county. eastman is still saying he believes the election was stolen. no question in his mind, he says. despite what white house lawyer eric hirschman testified to the january 6th committee that he once gave eastman this very blunt advice. >> get a great f'ing criminal defense lawyer. you're going to need it. >> according to court records, another trump co-defendant, scott hall, a georgia bail bondsman facing charges over a voting system breach in coffee county, where trump allies broke into the machines despite trump winning that county, was also booked today. records also show that former trump lawyer jenna ellis, former white house official mike roman, and former coffee county republican chair cathy lathem, have all agreed to bond deals with the fulton county d.a.'s office. for trump, it must be sobering to watch his allies getting arrested. he's used to getting away with everything, from sexual abuse, abuse of power, fraud, tax evasion, but now he faces a fourth criminal indictment with nowhere to hide except maybe russia, russia, russia, the place trump joked about escaping to last night, saying he could share a gold domed suite with vladimir putin, never to be seen or heard from again. see, that's the tell. also a match made in heaven or rather authoritarian hell. but there is another reason that trump should be worried. late today, we learned that a key witness in the mar-a-lago documents case who was i.t. director at mar-a-lago, recanted previous false testimony and provided new information implicating trump and his co-defendants after switching lawyers. this is according to a court filing by special counsel jack smith's office. assistant special counsel david harbach wrote in the filing, quote, on july 5th, 2023, tarvaris identified as trump employee four, informed chief judge that he no longer wished to be represented by stanley woodward. and that going forward, he wished to be represented by the first assistant federal defender. immediately after receiving new counsel, tarvaris retracted his prior false testimony and provided information that implicated nauta, de oliveira, and trump in efforts to delete security footage. in the superseding indictment. so we're now starting to see what happens once the pressure cooker is on and people start being more loyal to themselves than to donald trump. so what does that mean for the 18 people indicted with trump as well as the unindicted co-conspirators in the georgia case? just remember, the georgia case alleges the largest conspiracy of all the alleged attempts to steal this election. literally 30 unindicted co-conspirators and 19 defendants. and trump has to be afraid, right? which is why he's pressuring his party to fix it, fix it now. so the party that denounced the defund the police movement now wants to defund jack smith. the party that launches probes into political weaponization is doing just that. georgia state senator clinton-dixen says he will file a complaint against d.a. fani willis, saying the indictments were sparked by willis' unabashed goal to become some sort of leftist celebrity. another reason trump should be panicking is because of what we're learning by the day about those 30 unindicted co-conspirators in the fulton county case, identified by a number rather than by name. the atlanta journal constitution uncovered who they believe they are. and you may be familiar with some of these guys. boris epshteyn, a member of rudy giuliani's legal team, former new york police commission bernard kerik, cyber ninjas ceo doug logan. remember him? he led the arizona senate's partisan audit that found cheeto dust but no fraud. and there are others as well, lesser known figures like fake electors and those who unlawfully accesses coffee county data. this information is massive, involving the most people, multiple states as well as numerous aides, lawyers and local officials and they all colluded to try to overturn democracy in one of the most reliably democratic counties in the nation and whose d.a. knows a lot more about rico laws than trump's band of attorneys ever will. it's a case filled with irony and also fear. and perhaps for the first time, that fear belongs to one donald j. trump. joining me is georgia state representative tanya miller who represents part of fulton county, and barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney, university of michigan law professor and msnbc legal analyst. thank you both for being here. i will start with you, ms. miller. because one of the reasons i think donald trump is afraid and doing these tells like, you know, i mean, joking about fleeing to russia. but like, ha ha ha, i think that means to me he sounds scared. and one of the reasons i think he's scared is fani willis, because she has literally said i'm not here to be played with. mark meadows said you can't arrest me, and filed a court briefing saying you can't arrest me, and she said you better be here friday at 12:30 or else i am arresting you. if donald trump right to fear that fani willis doesn't have the overdue deference to his former role as president to not put him in jail? >> i think he is about to mess around and find out, joy. exactly who fani willis is. fani willis is probably one of the, i would say the most straight shooting, straight arrow prosecutors that i have ever come across in my life. what you see with her is what you get. she is fearless. she is fierce. and when she stands up in front of the citizens of fulton county and tells them what she intends to do, you better believe she's going to follow through on it. fani willis will not be intimidated by trump. in fact, all he will do if he attempts to do that is embolden her to be stronger and steadfast. that's how she's conducted herself in her 20-something odd years doing exactly this work, standing up against murdersers, some of the most dangerous violent predators in our community who she's been threatened 1,000 times over by a whole lot of goons and none of them have ever dissuaded her from doing her job and doing her job well. so yeah, i think that of all the indictments that trump faces, coming to fulton county and facing fani willis in a courtroom ought to scare him. >> you know, and barb, to me, the other tells, it's not just trump. i mean, you don't want to go to trial anywhere. but you're starting to see indications that people would much rather go to trial in the federal case. like, we don't want to be in court with her. you have two people, jeffrey clark, who was a former justice department official who tried to sort of rig the doj in trump's favor. and david schaefer, who is one of the fake electors in georgia. they both filed notices on monday, and they both want their cases moved to federal court. i just want you to evaluate their reasoning here. meadows is trying to say that what he did was connected to his federal role, his role as working for the white house, which i didn't know one of those roles was stealing an election, but okay, that's his argument. schaefer is making a similar argument, saying because he was an elector who in his mind was an elector for the former president, he was acting somehow related to the electoral count act. do any of those reasons sound credible to you? i see you're starting to laugh. >> no, i think these arguments will fail. joy, the standard for removing a case to the federal court is first that the person be a federal official, and second, that the conduct that is alleged be within the scope of their official duties. so for both of these men, as well as mark meadows, the conduct that's described is not within the scope of their official duties. i think one way to think about it is their official duties are to execute the laws of the united states in the case of mark meadows and jeff clark. and this was political activity. this was engaging in conduct that was helping trump as a candidate, in a campaign posture, not in the scope of their official duties to execute the laws of the united states. david schaefer isn't even a federal official. he says, now, there is a portion of the law that says or people acting under the direction of federal officials. he's supposed to be an elector casting his vote on behalf of the people of the state of georgia because they voted for him to do that, not acting at the direction of donald trump. if anything, this argument really plays into the idea that he's simply a criminal associate taking his orders from donald trump. >> and you know, tanya miller, one of the things i think that it sort of baffles when you look at it and think about it, but if i were one of the fellow 18 co-defendants, you wouldn't even have to ask me twice whether i would flip. i mean, one of these people, cathy lathem, right, she's got a gofundme. she doesn't even have any money. she had to raise a gofundme. trump is not paying for her legal defense. you had people like jenny ellis. she doesn't have any money either. donald trump is not footing the bill for him. he barely paid his own lawyers. they had to get their money in advance. none of these people have trump's money, his power. they can't say former president. in your mind, would fani willis, would d.a. willis still be looking to flip some of these 18, because it seems to me they have no reason to stick with trump? he's not going to help them. >> absolutely, joy. i think that is sort of rule number one for prosecuting organized crime. you are always looking to flip people who can get you closer to the person at the top. it is what the federal government perfected over years of prosecuting drug organizations and mafia cartels. it's getting folks at the bottom to come in and testify at the top. fani willis is no stranger to that. i would expect absolutely that there will be deals offered to folks at the bottom, probably sweetheart deals to folks at the bottom if they're willing taprovide truthful, helpful testimony to the state. i would be shocked if you did not see folks at the bottom start to flip as the heat starts to get turned up in the case. >> barb, the reality is, number one, donald trump is not paying for your defense. and we have seen with the i.t. guy who flipped to the other case, the documents case, as soon as the i.t. guy got his own lawyer and didn't have woodward representing him anymore, suddenly, he got religion and realized, i need to help myself here. i need to do the right thing. so we have seen that now in that case. and so it seems to me that anyone who has good counsel, you know, anyone who has separate counsel from trump, is really in a position where wouldn't you advise -- i know you're a former proscurement, but if you were one of their lawyers, wouldn't you say, yeah, sing a song. sing out loud. sing out strong. sing! >> yeah, one of my former colleagues used to say, don't ever do anything wrong because if they come asking me questions, i'm going to sing because i can't do time. it's something we use to keep ourselves in check. yes, and in fact, i think it seems likely that among these 30 unindicted coconspirators who are described in the georgia indictment but not charged, are likely people who have cut a deal. and so these were the stragglers who were stubborn. but sometimes it takes one more step closer to the judgment day for people to say, oh, wow, i guess this really is serious. this really is happening. i can't live in a state of denial anymore. statistically, something like 90% to 95% of all defendants do enter guilty pleas and this a moment where they have an opportunity to offer something. they can testify in exchange for a promise of a recommendation of leniency, although the first people in the door usually get the best deals. and these appear not to be the first people in the door. i imagine that fani willis would take cooperation from some of these people if only just to pare down the field of defendants they have to worry about going to trial with. >> that's the bottom line. here's another issue, and i'm doing to throw this to you, tanya. the stipulation on donald trump's bond are very specific and specific just to him. no one else got it. it's that he is not to make any direct or indirect threat of any nature against a co-defendant, there's 18 of them, any witness, including but not limited to the individuals designated in the indictment as an unindicted co-conspirator, individuals 1 through 30, any victim, anyone in the community or any property in the community, and that will include but not limited to any posts on social media or reposts on social media. that is all the stuff trump likes to do. so i wonder, you know d.a. fani willis. if he violates this, is he going to get to see the ugly insides, real up close and personal, of the fulton county jail? >> he very well may. ultimately, if fani willis received information, credible information, i would assume that it would have to be substantial for her to come into court and ask the court to revoke the bond of former president donald trump in this case. but if she received it, there's no doubt in my mind she would do that because she is responsible ultimately for the integrity of her case. she cannot have her witnesses threatened. she needs her witnesses to feel free and safe to come forward and testify truthfully so this jury can ultimately discharge its duty. fani can't herself revoke the former president's bond. she could ask the court to do it. and then the president would have, the former president would have the opportunity to say why he shouldn't, and ultimately, it would be up to the court it decide if he in fact violated the bond and inthe sanction should be he should be held in custody until he's tried. >> how do you expect this to work, barb, when he is going to, i guess, i don't know, maybe doing it for drama. we don't know what the specifics of it will be. but how do you expect this to play out? i want you to clarify for me. when you go in and you surrender, you are technically under arrest, right? you have given bond, they release you on your own recognizance, but are you under arrest at that point? >> yes, for those moments you're in custody with the sheriff's office in this case, you are under arrest. they'll show up, they will book him, take his fingerprints, maybe take a mugshot. we don't know about that. but yes, under arrest, but in this case, it appears that the parties have worked out this bond agreement so they don't need to go before the court, and they have agreed to these very specific terms which includes those terms you described about not threatening witnesses or intimidating witnesses. notably, it does not include the judge or prosecutors. he still has some targets against whom he can throw some wrath. if he should go after witnesses or unindicted co-conspirators then i agree that i think fani willis has a duty to enforce that order and so does the court because they don't want blood on their hands if something should happen to one of those people. >> by the way, if i'm one of the co-defendants and i know that's part of his bond agreement, i'm like, i'm at risk here? now i'm even more likely going to snitch on this guy, and maybe they should include in the bond order, don't joke about fleeing the country, so maybe don't joke about that. georgia state representative tanya miller and barbara mcquade, thank you. up next, mark meadows' attorneys are putting in overtime trying to get him out of the mess his former boss landed him in before he's forced to turn himself over to authorities in georgia and be under arrest. 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he was barely mentioned. then he gets indicted in georgia. so from what you have been able to see, there has been fear in trump world that he was, quote, a rat, that he was somehow cooperating. he did cooperate with the january 6th committee to a great extent and then pulled back and then, you know, there were charges recommended for obstruction, but that never happened. he was never, ever charged with defying the committee. do you read it as he cooperated with the feds and didn't in georgia and that's why he's indicted in georgia? >> i think first of all it's really hard to tell. what i suspect is that he's doing what he did when we were investigating on the january 6th committee where he wants to do enough to avoid full culpability but not enough that he has to stand up in court in front of the public and say what he actually did. he's walking that tightrope and i suspect he's trying to do it again with these criminal cases. >> when you all were trying to get information from him, was he immediately responsive and then seemed to change his mind? or did you always have to drag information out of him? >> well, it's alwaysard to tell in these kinds of cases because you are dealing with a lawyer. i think what was surprising about him with the january 6 committee was how much information he was willing to turn over. those text messages were a true treasure trove of information for the committee. but that he was not willing to sit down and be deposed and really talk about president trump in a kind of a full setting. i think that is what you're seeing replicated here. he perhaps has provided some information to jack smith, some reporting that he sat down for interviews there. but he clearly has not fully opened himself up to the government because with fani willis, he's clearly not cooperating. >> you know what's fascinating, right, those texts, we're talking about the text messages to like fox anchors, ginni thomas, clarence thomas' wife. that was a lot of the text messages we were reading on msnbc. those came from him. he was giving stuff up, but it does seem like he was kicking and screaming and crying executive privilege when it came to talking to you all. but there are some things he gave up very clearly. we now know because of him and the first draft of his book that donald trump allegedly left,ia know, the iran war plans like on a couch at bedminster. we now know there was no standing order to declassify any documents. that comes from him. so he is saying a lot that's helpful. do you read him as somebody who because he is still in republican politics, he has a firm that he makes $550,000 a year from, this organization that trump's pac gave like $1 million to, it feels like there's a connection there. is that what makes him reluctant or something else? >> i think that's a lot of it. you saw this pattern a lot with witnesses in our investigation. they would come in, they would talk about president trump, they would talk about high level republican operatives, but they were not necessarily willing to go all the way. because they both wanted the ability to cooperate, sometimes they thought maybe trump did do something wrong, sometimes they thought he was culpable, but they would go in public the next day and might bash the committee, might bash our efforts, may work in support of donald trump because they may have had personal reasons to support our work or otherwise think we were right, but they knew there was a real cost to publicly standing by what we viewed as a right way. i suspect that's what's happening here again. mark meadows wants to have his cake and eat it too. he wants to avoid criminal culpability. he doesn't want the wrath of doj on him, but he's not fully saying i'm going to do the right thing and be on the side of justice. >> what he seems to have in common is a separate lawyer. cassidy hutchinson is the other person who shifted the way she cooperated once she got her own lawyer. mr. meadows haa lawyer who i learned from my producer jonathan today, the same last name as side show bob's last name. but having his own lawyer seems to me to have helped him a lot on the federal side. what do you make of his attempts to move his fulton county case to the federal side as well? >> well, i think -- as a legal strategy, i think it's a good one. before he decides if i were his lawyer, before deciding what to do with that case, i would want to know, can i get rid of it completely? as far as whether that's a supported move, i don't think so. the idea that, i think what's critical here is if mark meadows as chief of staff wasn't allowed to engage in political activity while he was acting as chief of staff. here when candidate trump was trying to overturn the election results, any support he received from mark meadows was not in a government capacity. it was in a political capacity. so i think that's going to fail. but i think it makes sense from a strategy position to move the way he's moving and get the results of that first before he decides how to go forward with fani willis' case. >> yeah, plan a, don't commit crimes. plan b, get your own lawyer that trump isn't paying for. so that you can have your own legal strategy. thank you very much, my friend. coming up next, looking ahead to tomorrow's trumpless republican debate and ron desantis' plans for a nationwide purge of elected officials that he deems too liberal, like he's already doing in florida. we're back after this. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ what do we always say, son? 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desantis who is promising to do to the doj what he's already done in florida, by targeting and purging prosecutors who fail to take the knee. i'm now joined by two of those targeted prosecutors, andrew warren and monique woral, desantis suspended warren as state attorney for hills bro county and suspended woral as state attorney for orange and oseola counties. thank you both for being here and returning to the show. and i just want to let you both kind of talk about this, and let's -- i'm going to go in the order you were targeted, so andrew, i'm going to start with you. you were targeted for refusing to pre-emptively vow to prosecute women or i guess doctors in abortion cases. so i guess that tells you what this guy desantis would love to do as president. what are your thoughts on his vow to do what the country what he's done to florida? >> it's really troubling. there's a reason why lady justice wears a blindfold rather than partisan sunglasses and a maga hat. and for 150 years, doj's motto has been prosecution on behalf of justice. not on behalf of the president or on behalf of the king or on behalf of a political party. but ron desantis wants to destroy that core principle. he wants to do it not because he doesn't understand. the guy went to harvard law. he just doesn't care. but he has shown that he's willing to break the spirit and the lever of the law to promote his own political agenda and that's extremely dangerous for democracy. >> and monique, it feels like it's not even clear what he was targeting you for other than you're a black woman who is inconvenient to his politics. what does that tell you about what he would do as president of the united states. >> we lost so many freedoms just in the last year, i think we all should be very concerned about what that looks like. essentially as andrew said, it's not that he doesn't know. he perfectly well understands what he's doing is unconstitutional. he just doesn't care. he is an authoritarian and that is not what this country needs. we need to get back the freedoms we have lost, not lose more in the process. >> andrew, the thing about what was done with the two of you beyond just the indignity of having a governor get up and use you for his sort of political advancement, is the fact you were elected officials. because it's not just you individually, it's you all were elected. so that means that your constituents were told we don't care what you voted for, the governor will now impose someone that he prefers. your thoughts. >> that's exactly right. and you know, what's really dangerous about this is that so many people look at our suspensions through partisan lens. but the reality is, it is just as wrong, and by wrong i mean anti-democratic and un-american, for a republican governor to unlawfully suspend democratic officials as it would be for a democratic governor to do it to republican officials. but this hyperpartisanship is not a new problem. george washington 230 years ago warned us of putting party over country. the problem today is everything is political, right? not just the candidate that you support but the social media you use and the music you listen to and even the beer you drink. and that's why it's so important for people to rise above that partisanship and focus on solving problems that make our country better. >> you know, monique, there was a huge scandal during the george w. bush administration about the mass firing of u.s. attorneys because they refused to manufacture cases of voter fraud that didn't exist. this has happened before, but it was a massive scandal. ron desantis may be a harvard trained lawyer but apparently he doesn't have a good memory of the recent history. it didn't go well for george w. bush when he did that. does it surprise you having dealt with him that he would attempt to propose doing it anyway? >> no, it doesn't surprise me at all because what we're living in now is a time where anything goes. the more extreme that you can be, the more popular you can become. donald trump made this type of outright bigotry okay. so he's operating under that guise, and there are people in his base who it feeds, so he continues to do it so that he can gain popularity among his base. so that in hopes that if for some reason donald trump doesn't end up with the nominee, that he's hoping to be the second, so he's used us as political pawns in what is now a failing presidential campaign. and furthermore, he's targeted democratic counties for retaliation for not supporting him in his gubernatorial election, and those are the places where he's nullifying the votes of the individuals who placed both andrew and myself in office. and this is one of the worst attacks on democracy that we have seen. >> you know, and andrew, to that very point, he's using the typical george soros attack on all of you. to do it, and that signals to me that what he would like to do is to have a federal, you know, sort of team of prosecutors that all answer to him as an individual. that is not democracy. >> no, it's not democracy. and look, you go back to nazi germany. and i know any time we compare things to nazi germany, we have to throw in a caveat. yes, desantis isn't talking about genocide, but the nazis, one of the first things they did when hitler took power is decimate the professional civil service ranks and fill them with people who were sycophants and suck-ups when you take away the people who are going to do the job whose loyalty is to the state and country and replace them with people who are loyal to the person and not the idea and not the country, that's where you're on this really dangerous road. >> it's no different than what trump would do, so the idea that he's some sort of alternative is quite laughable when you look at what he did to the two of you and what he's proposing to do to the country. thank you both very much. and still ahead, the republican governor of arkansas follows desantis' lead, cracking down on 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spokesperson, lied as one does, about the course getting pulled and added this additional lie. >> we cannot perpetuate a lie to our students and push this propaganda leftist agenda teaching our kids to hate america and hate one another. >> despite all of that and all those lies, six arkansas schools said they will continue offering a.p. african american studies. so of course, the arkansas department of education is demanding that those schools hand over all course materials so they can make sure the course isn't indoctrinating children. the schools have until september 8th to comply. joining me is chris jones, the 2022 democratic nominee for arkansas governor and author of quantum pearls, finding spiritual wisdom in the mundane moments. an actual scientist who could have been the governor had the people been wiser. always good to talk to you. so good on these schools for continuing to say they're going to teach the course. but hand over the material sounds very stalin-esque to me. what about you? >> it's the playbook. it's they want to control everything. they banned books, they check curriculum. that's what's happening. she's doing it in a way that is really shaking up and disturbing a lot of people. >> this has always been the thing that i find ironic about this woman under contract that she was the spokeswoman who lived with trump for so many years. here she is talking about herself during her response to the bidens state of the union, i think, last year. >> down the street from where i sit, is my alma mater. little rock central high. as the student there, i will never forget watching my dad, governor mike huckabee, and president bill clinton, hold the doors open to the little rock nine are. doors that 40 years earlier had been closed to them because they were black. today those children once barred from the school house are now heroes memorialized in bronze and our state house. >> she also said that getting a good education is a civil rights issue of our time. is it even legal at this point in arkansas to teach why anyone should care that she graduated from little rock high and what the significance of that is? >> that's the question. that's what a lot of teachers and superintendents are concerned about. i'm glad that the six schools are stepping up and pushing back. but what it also does is put the other schools on the sidelines, making them afraid to thinking about offering a course like. that it's cringe wirskye cringeworthy and the shame that she even graduated from little rock high and that she would say those things and then turn around and try to deny the history. again, it's part of a broader trend. she doesn't want to be little the little rock central crisis. but it's also the stories like in -- arkansas, well where some people who are trying to unionize for better wages, because they were sharecroppers, were plowed down. in 1919. that's a history she doesn't want us to know. the more we understand our history the more we are empowered. this is a play to oppress so many folks. but i'm glad that there are a lot of people across the state who are saying no, not today, it's not happening. and it really starts with a lot of students who are upset, paste off, and organizing. >> by the way, these are kids. they're still alive. this is not ancient history. elizabeth eckford, terrence roberts, have both said their attempts to erase history is working for the republican party. i know these voices are pushing back is what terrence roberts said. i also want to point out something sarah huckabee sanders is doing. she's trying to erase history because she doesn't want people to know the degradations of enslavement while she is has also signed a bill allowing child labor. to me these are connected. if your pushing child labor, a new form of slave type labor, low wage child labor, not surprising to me that you don't want people to know the history of enslaved labor. >> right. because when we don't know history, we are not empowered to make a better future. we're not empowered to understand and the levers of oppression that they pull. she simultaneously, or with the same hand, signed a bill that allows the child labor law. this administration, shocking but not surprising, is a bad mix of malice, arrogance, incompetence, and just outright laziness. what you get when you have all that mixed in together are bills like this. they didn't even take time to figure out what the implications would be on schools. that's why they called two days before school started. it's a shame, but again, i'm glad there are so many folks in arkansas saying not today, we're standing up against this. >> get a horn. make them ignorant. put them to work. it seems to be a broad republican playbook. i guess that's what she's trying to follow, like the rest of them. chris jones, thank you very much for being here. please keep keeping an eye on it. we'll have you back. we'll have you back. we, the moms who have lost our children to 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