Very much looking forward to that. President biden is in maui tonight, as we speak, meeting with lahaina residents in the aftermath of the horrific wildfires there. Were going to be checking in on that president ial visit this hour. It is ongoing right now as we speak. Well also be checking in on the big storm that roared ashore in Southern California today. We have also got a pretty mindbending story thats going to take us to arkansas tonight. A lot to get to over the course of this hour, but i want to start tonight with a story that no one remembers the name of. It is technically called The Adventure Of Silver Blaze. But nobody remembers that. What happens in The Adventure Of Silver Blaze is that a famous racehorse goes missing. A horse named silver blaze. The horse disappears before an important race, and also, the horses trainer appears to have been murdered. The trainer turns up dead in a field near the stables with a terrible head injury. So detective Sherlock Holmes coming in to figure out the case. And this is the part where i have to say if you regularly read Mystery Stories from the 18 nieths and you havent read this one yet, this is your spoiler alert. Mute me for a second, okay . Okay. Basically what happens is Sherlock Holmes figures out that the horse, silver blaze, is still alive. The horse had just been taken by bad guys as some sort of part of some sort of moneymaking plot. But it also turns out that the Horse Trainer unfortunately, he is dead, but he wasnt really murdered. What Sherlock Holmes figures out is that the trainer was killed by the horse. Right . Crazy, right . The horse turns out kicked the trainer in the head and killed him when the trainer tried to mess with the horse, as part of this bad guys money making plot. So the reason no one remembers that the story is called The Adventure Of Silver Blaze is because the much more memorable thing about this story is how Sherlock Holmes solved it. The clue that everybody remembers, the clue that unlocks the whole plot of the story is that on the night when the horse disappeared, when somebody came into the stables and led that horse out of the stables, there was a watchdog in the stables that did not bark. Now, why did the dog not bark . The dog was fine, the dog was, you know, trained as a watchdog, supposed to be protecting the place. Why did the dog not bark . The dog did not bark, our hero detective surmises, because the dog was not alarmed by these events. The dog, in fact, knew the person who came into the stables to get the horse, knew that person very well. The dog did not think it was weird or worth barking about. So Sherlock Holmes surmises, ah, the dog did not bark. It must have been the horses regular trainer who came in and got the horse. That would not be weird to the dog. The dog would not bark at that. He unravels the mystery from there. Turns out the trainer did take the horse, the trainer was part of the plot. The trainer ended up dead because the horse freaked out and kicked him. Thats the mystery, the story. And absolutely nobody remembers that as the adventure of silver laze because everybody remembers that as the dog that didnt bark. That idea, the dog that didnt bark, has become a kind of storytelling touchstone, kind of a storytelling shorthand. For understanding that sometimes the key plot point, the key clue, the most important thing to notice, is what didnt happen. And right now, we, americans, have something important that is not happening. We have a dog that isnt barking. Or at least that hasnt barked. And we should notice it. Because at our crime scene, our proverbial crime scene and our actual crime scene, were not trying to figure out who did it. We have no suspense, no question at all as to who the perpetrator is in this big alleged crime that is now at the center of all these existential questions of whether our democracy is going to survive, whether were going to keep having elections, whether candidates and Political Parties and people at large are going to believe in the results of elections and agree to abide by the results. We dont have any questions about who done it, from the fake elector scheme to leaning on State Officials to get them to falsify the Election Results, to telling his Mob To Go March On The Building where congress was just then certifying the Election Results. Theres no mystery at all for us as to who did it. Right . Its this guy, former president donald trump. Thats why hes been charged with related crimes in multiple jurisdictions. The mystery for us, the Big Open Question for us, is not who did it. Our open question is, can we handle this as a country . Can we handle this process, this particular guy with this particular following, being arrested and charged and soon he will be tried for these alleged crimes. Can we handle that . Can we handle the law, the legal system, the criminal Justice System being applied to this guys actions . I mean, he and his followers and his Political Party plainly hate and reject that the law is being applied to his actions. But what do they plan to do about it . What will happen to us as a country as a result . Well, the guy himself, the defendant himself, has said repeatedly what he wants his followers to do about it. He hasnt just been calling on them to give him money to pay his lawyers fees. Hes been calling on them to bodily show up. Hes been calling them to get out in the streets for him. Again, like they did for him on january 6th. When he told them to march down Pennsylvania Avenue and physically go to the building where congress was doing its work. They turned out in the streets for him then. He has said he wants that again. He said it explicitly. He said publicly that if he were to be indicted, quote, i hope we are going to have in this country the biggest protests we have ever had. And it wasnt a onetime thing. He was asked in a different setting what would happen if he were indicted. He said, quote, i think if it happened, i think you would have problems in this country the likes of which we have never seen before. I think they would have big problems, big problems. I just dont think they would stand for it. He said all that before he was indicted, then in fact he got indicted. Indicted and arrested in new york this spring for the first time. And when he learned about his indictment and his impending arraignment, he pulled the fire alarm. He got online and in an all Capital Letters message to his followers he said, protest. Take our nation back. And just in case there was any lack of clarity there, he then said, in all Capital Letters again, its time. Exclamation point, protest, protest, protest. Well, when the day of that first arrest and arraignment came, i mean, that was the scene. And yes, thats something. That is some supporters of his outside the manhattan courthouse, but they are a small enough number of supporters that that day they were very much outnumbered by members of the media, who to be fair, had been told to expect these would be the biggest protests we have ever had in america. Thats what they turned out to cover. We had a lot of big protests in america. This is not what a big protest looks like in america, let alone the biggest ever. But then he got indicted and arrests again. That was earlier this summer. That was in miami. And he tried again to call his followers out into the streets. He got on rightwing radio, he said we need strength in our country now. They have to go out, meaning my followers, they have to go out and they have to protest. Look, our country has to protest. And then again, just to make it crystal clear, he got online and he literally spelled it out to his supporters. See you in miami on tuesday. I will see you there. You should be there. Well, this was miami on that tuesday. Some people maybe. A few hundredish. We had been promised, he had threatened the likes of which we have never seen. The likes of this we have seen plenty of. This looks like, you know, the weekly protest at the Farmers Market in your town which is like a different cause every thursday. He told the country his followers would erupt. They would fill the streets. They would shock the nation with their numbers, protests like the country had never seen before. Their enraged protest would shock the country. If anyone dared indict him. It didnt happen. He then directed his followers explicitly multiple times, okay, yeah, this is what i meant. Now is the time. Get out there. This is it. Go, like i said you would. But nothing happened. And so when he was indicted a third time, when he had to show up to be indicted in washington, d. C. Earlier this month, trump did not bother calling for protests. Presumably, it had gotten through to him, if he called for them, they werent going to happen. And now were expecting him to arrive at the Fulton County jail in georgia this week for yet another arrest. This time with both fingerprints and a mugshot. And he is not calling for protests anymore. Because that dog has not barked. Which is an important plot point for us in this story. We were told to expect it to happen. The widespread expectation that it would happen, i think, inflected all of the expectations, all of the perceptions of boundaries and red lines and things that would be brandnew and dangerous and unprecedented about this New Territory that were in in American History. But it turns out, the dog did not bark. It turns out just like in austria, where their former chancellor was charged with felonies on friday, just like in scotland where their First Minister was arrested in june, just like in italy where they prosecuted their former Prime Minister and in france where they prosecuted their former president and former Prime Minister. Just like in germany and argentina and south korea where they prosecuted former president s and croatia and portugal where they prosecuted a former Prime Minister. None of which are banana republics, turns out life goes on. The rule of law applied to a high ranking former official and powerful political figures, and the rule of law goes on and politics goes on. Turns out the former leader does not snap his fingers and command a nationwide crippling uprising in his or her name. Even in our country where he promised he would, he promised that would happen, where he overtly publicly tried to make it happen, it failed. He failed. He wanted that, he promised it. He was counting on it, and therefore, a lot of the country was counting on that being a consequence of this part of the process. It hasnt happened. The dog did not bark. So that does sort of settle one big part of this existential question for us at this crime scene. Right, this existential question for our country and our democracy, for our form of government, will we be able to survive bringing criminal charges against this particular alleged criminal given his political power and his hold on his followers. Will we be able to try a man for his alleged crimes without riots in the streets, without the threat of civil war . Turns out yes, yes, we can. Despite what he threatened to do, despite what he promised to do, he tried to do it, he could not pull it off. Which is good news for our democracy. The bad news is that instead, were getting something else. Not Mass Violence again like we saw on january 6th, not even mass protests. But instead, what we are getting is individual acts, both violence and threats of violence. By radicalized people and groups that support him. We saw it last year when a man who was enraged by the maralago Search Warrant shot his way into an ohio fbi office and was then killed in a shootout outside cincinnati. We saw it a week 1 2 ago when another armed man was shot and killed by the fbi, this time in utah when they served a Search Warrant and arrest warrant on him in response to his threats to kill President Biden and also new york prosecutor alvin bragg, who had brought the first indictment against donald trump. Then last week, a Massachusetts Man Pled Guilty In Federal Court to that after the election, he sent bomb threats, Death Threats to this arizona official, to katie hobbs, who was then the democratic Secretary Of State in arizona and who is now indemocratic governor of arizona. That man pled guilty in Federal Court last week. He will be facing five years in prison when he is sentenced this fall. Then it was alvin, texas, last week. A woman arrested for phoning in a death threat to the chambers of the federal judge who is overseeing the other federal case against trump in Federal District court in washington. The woman admitted threatening to kill the judge and then also volunteered another death threat to federal agents saying she would also kill Texas Democratic congressman Sheila Jackson lee. She reportedly told agents she did not intend to go to washington, d. C. To carry out her death threat against the judge, although she did make the threat, but she told them she absolutely would kill congresswoman Sheila Jackson lee when she came home to texas. Then it was a weird attenuated story, sort of announcement out of reno, nevada on friday. Hazmat teams and robots called in to respond to a cup of white powder and a threatening sign left outside the reno, nevada, fbi office. And of course, its all the news from Fulton County, georgia, where protrump online Message Boards started immediately after his indictment there circulating names and purported addresses and Phone Numbers and photos of the grand jurors who handed down the Trump Indictment in georgia. Prompting the Fulton County Sheriffs Office to announce it was investigating threats made to the grand jurors. That soon gave way to the news that the fbi would be joining the Sheriffs Department investigation of those threats to the grand jurors. Soon gave way to news that the sheriff himself was being threatened and that that was now under investigation. Which soon gave way to news that security had also had to be increased around Prosecutor Fani Willis and her office because of threats to her. Now tonight, cnn reporting that employees of the Fulton County Sheriffs Office are themselves being threatened, including their homes and their families being threatened by trump supporters. Tonight, they have announced a total lockdown on the streets around the Fulton County jail for when former President Trump turns up there this week to surrender himself and get booked which he says will happen on thursday. But honestly, at this point, do we really expect Big Street Protests on behalf of trump . I think we dont. I think we dont expect that. I think that dog has not barked. We dont expect Big Street Protests on his behalf. We expect terrorism or at least terroristic threats like the ones that have been breaking out all over the country now, like heat rash. So what do we do with that as a country . I mean, its a wild context in which to be pursuing politics. But we are, and we must. The first republican president ial debate is the day after tomorrow, on wednesday. Trump is arguing that he is such a prohibitive favorite for the republican president ial nomination he should not bother with debating. And maybe thats true. The nbc Des Moines Register poll out today puts trump up 23 points over his nearest rival in the key early state of iowa. Thats basically unchanged from the 24 points he was up in iowa in the last big poll there, last month. But at the same time, in that iowa poll thats out today, the number of likely republican caucusgoers in iowa who say that trump has committed serious crimes is over 25 . The number of likely republican caucusgoers who say they have an unfavorable view of him is 1 in 3. 33 . And when it comes to the question of whether or not trump should be leading the republican party, look at this. Well over 50 of likely republican caucusgoers in iowa say either that trump was a good president but its time to consider new leaders or that the party just needs a new leader, one with better personal behavior and a different approach. You put that together, thats 57 of people who are planning on going to the Iowa Republican caucuses, 57 , who say they want someone other than trump to be leading their party. 57 dont want him leading their party. While no other candidates gets within 20 of him in the same poll. What are republicans doing here . How do you feel about this guy . What are you planning on doing about it . Every few hours we get a new Law Enforcement announcement about one or more of his followers threatening violence in his name while hes leading by 20plus pounds in the early states, and even in those early states, Republican Voters say they dont want him. We talk about an unanswered question. Talk about a mystery where we really dont know the answer, and this is a soul of the country kind of moment. This is a big decision we have to make about who ought to be a contender here, about being a democracy, about violence versus politics, about force versus elections. These are some of the biggest questions of all in any country. And theyre playing out now for us. In our lifetimes, in our country, and its playing out in these very, you know, detailed plot points every day, advancing the story and more or less important ways. Just today, the former president s bail was set at 200,000 in georgia. Hes going to have to put up 10 of that in cash. It will be the first time hes had to make cash bail in all his arraignments. Hell also be restricted by his bail order. His lawyers affirming he will make no direct or indirect threat of any nature against any codefendant in the case, any witness, any unindicted coconspirator, any victim or, quote, against the community or to any property in the community. No direct or indirect threats to the community or any property in it. The judges order today spells out specifically that those restrictions on trump include anything he posts on social media or that he reposts on social media despite the fact that Somebody Else wrote it. Now, that is potentially an important detail because since his most recent indictment, his most sort of potent threats have often been in the form of him reposting sort of threats and otherwise inciting material, posted by other people. So hes not typing it out himself. He finds online Somebody Else making a threat or making an inciting comment and he retweets or reposts that persons comment. That sort of behavior which he has shown an interest in doing recently, thats now restricted explicitly by this bail order. And hes got to put up 20,000. And tonight, just like we knew would happen, a republican Georgia State senator has started the process in georgia that a lot of us had seen coming. One Georgia Republican State Senator tonight threatening that republicans in Georgia State government should now use the new power they just recently gave themselves to remove prosecutors in the state. To remove specifically Fulton County District Attorney fani willis. Remove her from her job as prosecutor to try to stop this prosecution of donald trump. Georgia republicans gave themselves the power to remove elected prosecutors from their posts on their own sayso, because of behavior that, you know, they find untoward in some way. These very vague terms. They gave themselves the power to remove elected prosecutors, they gave themselves that power in may and made sure it would go into effect this fall. As donald trump announces that he is turning up to be fingerprinted and mugshotted in Fulton County on thursday this week, tonight, a Georgia Republican State Senator has announced that now is the time for Georgia Republicans to move to take fani willis out of her job. So here we go. And again, the mystery here is not who done it. We know who did it. The mystery here is how are we going to handle as a country the challenge of enforcing the rule of law against a political figure who wants to destroy it and who leads a movement that will try to destroy it. The dog did not bark on mass protests. Its this other stuff instead. And its up to us to follow these clues and see where this is going and get ready. Senator Raphael Warnock joins us live next. Eat more pretzels. Watch movies. Watch more movies. Get airline miles. Get onekeycash. Book inapp to earn onekeycash on top of your airline miles. Type 2 diabetes . Discover the ozempic® trizone. Get onekeycash. In my ozempic® trizone, i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. In studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. Ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known heart disease. And you may lose weight. 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To be clear, this is happening the way you think its happening. When it started to look like fani willis investigation in georgia might lead to a possible indictment of donald trump, Georgia Republicans in may of this year gave themselves a brandnew power they had never had before under georgia law. The power to remove a georgia prosecutor from his or her job. And now, as trump prepares to surrender himself in Fulton County this week, they are starting tonight to make noise that they are going to use that new law to in fact remove fani willis. Its Worth Remembering that as this whole conspiracy to overturn the Election Results was unfolding in georgia, there was also an absolutely critical u. S. Senate race that was taking place. A Runoff Election that would decide which party controlled the u. S. Senate in washington. In the midst of all of this, on january 5th, 2021, georgia senator Raphael Warnock, democratic u. S. Senator Raphael Warnock, was elected. Joining us now is senator warnock. I should mention hes also the pastor of Ebenezer Baptist church in the city of atlanta. Senator warnock, theres so much going on tonight in your home state of georgia and in politics and all the drama around this. I really appreciate you taking the time to talk to us about it. Thank you so much. Always great to be with you, rachel. So what do you think people should understand around the country looking in on georgia, living through everything that you have lived through, everything you have seen up close thats happened, knowing what you know about Fulton County and the criminal Justice System and political pressures in the state. What do you think people from Outside Georgia should know about this pressure, about this process as the pressure just gets unbelievably intense on whats happening in Fulton County . Well, rachel, this is playing out in georgia in Fulton County, but this is a moral moment for our nation. We know who donald trump is. The question right now is who are we . What kind of country are we going to be Going Forward . And as we watch all of this play out, were reminded that democracy is not a noun. Its a verb. We are required to remain vigilant and active. Its a lot like brushing and flossing. Theres never a moment when you can stop. Otherwise, you have decay. And so while donald trump and the other defendants may be at the center of this particular case, my eye is on the democracy itself, because i believe in democracy. I believe that it is the political enactment of a spiritual idea, this notion that each of us has within us a spark of the divine, therefore we ought to have a voice in the direction of the country and our destiny within it. Thats whats under assault. And all of us as americans, as americans, have to Stand Up And Fight for that which is precious and rare in the history of human kind, democracy. I was struck by reading today about an event that happened this weekend in georgia. A bunch of different groups including the Georgia Naacp and black voters matter, met in Coffee County at the ame church in Coffee County which of course is one of the locations that has become famous because of the indictment of former President Trump and his codefendants, Coffee County is one of the places where people who shouldnt have had access to Voting Machines and tabulating machines nevertheless were given access and all of the Sensitive Data from those machines was uploaded onto the internet and downloaded all over the world. People met in Coffee County this weekend to talk about the damage done to their democracy in Coffee County and to try to reckon with why its taken this long to fix it, why the police werent involved sooner, why there hasnt necessarily been any assurance to people in the county that the next effort to vote in that county will be safe. I wonder if your constituents in georgia sort of feel this more personally, more directly, more acutely than all of us do, looking at it nationally. All my constituents who im so proud to represent feel it. I feel it personally. My mother is from that part of the state. I know a lot about Coffee County, and my mother was born and raised in weir county, nearby. And as you point out in your opening discussion, the people of georgia did an amazing thing on january 5th, 2021. They elected their first black United States senator. And my mom, who is from weir county, that part of the state, who grew up picking Somebody Elses tobacco and picking Somebody Elses cotton, picked her youngest son to be a United States senator. Thats whats at stake here. The ability of ordinary people to have a voice in their democracy and that was assaulted by the former president. And those who are enabling him in so many ways. He deserves to have his day in court. He claims his innocence, and hes innocent until proven guilty, so that due process ought to carry itself out. While at the same time, what we have got to do is focus on the ways in which the actions of january 6th, this unprecedented attack on our capitol, the most violent since the war of 1812 then metastasized into a cancer of Voter Suppression laws all across our country, over 300 Voter Suppression laws were introduced in about 45 states just this year. And about 13 of them have passed. And so it is the big lie that is driving this. So regardless of the outcome of the former president s case, we have a problem and we have to deal with it, which is why we need to pass the legislation that i and others have put forward on voting rights. We have to preserve our democracy. We have got to uphold once again that Great American covenant, one person one vote. Nothing could be more important because the democracy is the whole game. It is the framework in which we get to fight for everything that matters, and long after this case is over, and the books have been closed here, well have to face one another, and our children are going to ask us, what did you do when the democracy itself was in peril . And i want to be able to look my kids in the eye and say that i stood up for the best in the american ideal, that i stood up for the best in the covenant we have with one another. Senator Raphael Warnock, thank you so much for joining us tonight. I know theres a lot of pressure on the people and the institutions of your state, particularly in this week heading into these next few days. Thank you for taking time to be with us tonight, sir. Thank you. Pray with your legs and your lips. Keep the faith. Thank you, sir. Much more ahead here tonight. Stay with us. Having triplets is. Amazing expensive. 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She immediately got to work as a new governor, getting rid of those, making it easier to put arkansas children to work doing adult jobs. Kids younger than 16 used to need a state permit to verify their age and grant them permission to work. The governor now says that permit put an arbitrary burden on parents so that burden is lifted. Lets get your 14yearold to work. Also governor Huckabee Sanders rolled out an interesting online application for anybody who wanted to be on an Arkansas State board or commission. The application to be on a state board or commission included this prompt for a 500word essay. Quote, what is an accomplishment of the governors that you admire the most . Thats a requirement to be on an official State Commission of any kind in arkansas. You have to put together 500 words on what you love about the governor. The Governors Office blamed a design error for that essay prompt. The governor also got right to work Kicking Thousands of people off their Health Insurance in arkansas, more than a quarter of the people who were kicked off their Health Insurance were dropped off it for procedural reasons meaning they didnt get their paperwork in in time or something. It means that thousands of families, thousands of kids, all of whom had Health Insurance before, are now kicked off so they now dont have Health Insurance. That said, maybe the kids can get insurance at their new slaughterhouse jobs. As for the school part of being a kid in arkansas, High Schoolers in that state are now starting to feel the effect of a bill that governor Huckabee Sanders signed this year, which among other things, bars arkansas teachers from teaching about race and racism. This law went into effect august 1st, just days later, the Arkansas Department of education announced that the a. P. African american studies course will no longer count toward Graduation Credits in arkansas this year, because it might amount to indoctrination. Now, i should tell you of the six arkansas high schools that had planned to offer a. P. African american studies, all six of the schools have decided to offer the course anyway, even though the state says it wont count. One of those schools that is defying the governor, defying the state on this, is little rock central high, which is going ahead with a. P. African american studies and never mind the objections from governor sarah Huckabee Sanders office. Little rock central high is, of course, the exact same school where Nine Brave Black students attended class for the first time in 1957. This is a time when the country was supposed to have desegregated our schools, but boy, they had not in little rock. And those kids had to be escorted to class shielded from an angry violent mob by members of the army and the National Guard. Those nine kids, the Little Rock Nine, hold a signal place in African American history, in American History, but particularly in African American history, which will be taught this year at the Advanced Placement level at their high school. We often say history rhymes. We say history repeats, but sometimes history is just a linear direct rerun. Joining us now is bracey harris, who is an nbc News National reportser who has been Interviewing Members of the Little Rock Nine about this decision in arkansas. I really appreciate you being with us tonight. Thank you very much for making time. Yes, thank you, rachel, for having me. So you were able to track down members of the Little Rock Nine, meaning those nine brave students who in 1957 defied mob enforced segregation to get into little rock central high. And they are reacting to this decision to downgrade a. P. African american studies and for little rock central high to teach it anyway. What are they telling you when you track them down . Yes, so i had the opportunity to speak with terrance roberts, who was one of the nine students to help cross that Color Barrier in little rock, arkansas. Some of the feedback he just bluntly gave me is that he thinks, you know, the state needs to get out of the way. That students need to have the opportunity to learn. That going over this era in the countrys history is something that needs to happen, and elizabeth edward, who i think many people may recognize from that historic photo, wearing the sunglasses, as theres just a white teenager just yelling behind her, as she tries to go about that moment. You know, she said that she felt like this is, you know, an attempt to erase history. So theyre definitely watching whats happening in this moment, for sure. Are any of the schools that are planning on offering this a. P. African American History course, as i mentioned, theres as far as we know, theres six high schools in the state that are planning on offering it before governor Huckabee Sanders said, well you wont get credit for it if you take it, her administration said you wont get credit for it if you take it because we believe this is some sort of indoctrination. Are any of those schools expecting fallout from the state because of this decision . It does feel like a pretty direct confrontation. Its not like an army and National Guard confrontation, but a pretty direct confrontation with the Governors Office. At this point in my reporting, i havent heard that concern expressed, but i will say, you know, one of the things that mr. Roberts shared was, you know, its one thing that you have had little rock central high school, which is the school that he helped integrate, commit to moving forward, but one question he is is will they be successful ultimately if there is continued pressure mounting, but so far, as you said, the six schools participating in this pilot are still planning to move forward, but well definitely be watching to see if there are any developments on that front, for sure. It should not be an act of bravery to take an African American studies course. Im just going to say it, and it should not be an act of bravery on the part of School Administrators to offer it, but time is a flat circle. Bracey harris, nbc News National reporter who has been all over the story, thank you for your work on the story and on the response of the Little Rock Nine in particular. Its really great that you did this reporting. Great to have you here tonight. Thank you, rachel. All right, well be right back. 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