emerge from that alliance from the ex-president and mark meadows. "mark meadows told jack smith special investigators that he could not call trump ever ordering or even discussing declassifying broad sets of classified material before leaving the white house nor was he aware of any standing order from trump authorizing the automatic declassification of materials taken out of the oval office. that reporting according to sources close to the matter. so far mark meadows has remained very quiet about jack smith's classified docs investigation. we do know that mark meadows has testified before a federal grand jury and that happened earlier this year. abc's new reporting sheds light on meadow's ties to this case regarding a central criminal charge in smith's superseding indictment. the willful retention of a classified document that showed a military plan to attack iran. and one that showed multiple people at his bedminister club, referenced in meadow's book. according to an early draft, the draft, quote, includes a description of trump having a classified war plan, quote, on the couch at his office in bedminister new jersey at a meeting attended by meadows's ghost writer but not by meadows himself. the mention of the document being in possession was removed before the book was published. he asked that that paragraph be changed and that it would be, quote, problematic had trump had such a document in his possession. sources say that meadows told special counsel investigators that he did not discuss making those edits with trump. a spokesperson for the special counsel's office as well as meadow's lawyer declined to comment while a trump spokesperson accuses d.o.j. of selectively leaking incomplete information. our friend and former fbi general council andrew weisman spoke over the weekend about the legal maneuvering that meadows and his lawyers likely engaged in right now. >> he's trying to sort of have it both ways, where he sort of gives some information hoping that if he sort of partially cooperates, he won't get federally charged. he clearly is giving some information to the feds. i think this is definitely more to come. i think that fani willis or jack smith tell him you're either a defendant or a cooperator. you can't be both. >> and there's new news breaking in a separate criminal inquiry to donald trump. his bond was set at $200,000 and to trump's efforts in georgia to overturn his defeat there. we begin with abc chief washington correspondent, the author of "the new york times" best seller "betrayal: the final act of the trump show." john carl is with us. also joining us, former assistants u.s. attorney glenn kirschner is back and political analyst david jolly is here. i have to start with a simple question. mark meadows has the presence of mind to say, wuh-woe, take that out of my intro. do you know if he does anything about that classified document or is he offering it up because jack smith got an early copy of his book draft? >> here's what we know. first of all, the description in that draft of the book is quite stark. it talks about the war plan being there on the desk. it says that trump founded -- had just found it in his old files. old files, i guess, in boxes, and that he knew if he could declassify it, it would, quote, win my case. so it's very clear that we're talking about a document that was not only classified but was known by trump to be classified and to be right there on the couch with people who clearly had no right at that point to have any access to classified documents. but mark meadows, there's another very interesting part of what we know he has told investigators, and that is that when the national archives first requested their documents back, first said that trump had left the white house with official records, at this point we didn't know that they were classified, but they said we would like these documents back, they need to be in the national archives, that meadows offered to go through trump's boxes himself to retrieve the official records and send them back. and that trump did not take him up on that offer. and in telling the investigators this, he also said that if he had done so, he would have done so very diligently. that's the way meadows said his offer was. and interestingly enough trump wasn't interested in having anybody in a very diligent manner going through those boxes to send the records back. >> it sounds like very good behavior on the part of mark meadows, the kind of behavior that would be described by a lawyer representing and working toward mark meadow's freedom. it seems like the best possible light in which you could cast mark meadows. let me read this. it's charged by jack smith. "in the final version of meadow's book, the chief's chief released in late 2021, the bedminister exchange comes up but a draft verse of the passage initially sent to meadows by his ghostwriter, which was revurd by abc news, quote, on the couch in front of the president's desk, there's a four-page report typed up by mark milley himself. and here's the recording when the ghost writer is at bedminister himself. let me play that for you. >> these were done by the military given to me. i think we can probably declassify. as president i could have declassified it and now i can't. isn't that interesting? it's so cool. you probably almost didn't believe me but now you believe me. it's incredible. >> bring some cokes in, please. >> i love the cut with the "cokes" in there, too. that's how we know it's trump. do we know if meadows does anything when his ghost writer comes back with this reporter and said this is amazing, the president showed us a classified document? >> first of all, there's no indication he did anything at all. in fact, the interview happens, it is some period of time later. the interview is early on in the process of writing this book, ghost writing it for mark meadows. the draft that i reviewed was what we call a galley. this means it's been through -- it's been written, it's been edited and copy edited and in the form it will eventually appear in the book itself. it's in a very late process that meadows either sees it for the first time in print or at any point that's when he decides this is problematic. problematic how? well, it's clearly problematic to donald trump. that's the context. it's problematic that donald trump would have classified information in his possession like that. so he has it taken out. and in the new version, suddenly -- there's still a scene and it describes trump talking about a document he had once seen a war plan for iran. nothing about it being there on the couch and being currently in his possession. so, no, seems like the only thing that we can verify that meadows did was try to protect donald trump by removing that from his ghost written memoir about his time in the white house. there's no indication that he tried to go back and do a big scrub to make sure the classified documents would be, you know, secured once again and sent back. nothing like that. he simply acted to protect his former boss. >> and, john, do we know if that act is being examined as potential obstruction? >> well, i mean -- you mean potential obstruction on the part of meadows? >> whether meadows was trying to cover up what would be an alleged crime by donald trump, his old boss? >> well, he's clearly trying to cover up for his old boss but i don't know that it falls into obstruction because he's doing it in the context of writing a book, not in terms of material that's been subpoenaed or something that's been demanded by investigators. i think it's a different category from the obstruction in this case, the attempt to destroy surveillance footage and all that. but clearly from the very least a public relations perspective, he's trying to protect this from getting out and, you know, not just public relations but because it getting out would obviously pose legal problems for trump. >> and in addition to your important reporting about this, you have perhaps even more importantly sort of building on your interview with pence another senior white house official who says there was no standing order on declassification. of course anyone that's been around the white house says that could never be the case because how would you inform the cia and nsa that anything that travels from the oval office is -- i want you to explain the significance. >> in my case was never made aware of any broad based effort to declassify documents. there is a process that the white house goes through to declassify materials. i'm aware of that occurring on several occasions over the course of our four years, but i don't have any knowledge of any broad based directive from the president. but that doesn't mean it didn't occur. it's not something that i ever heard about. >> and he heard about most things that went on in there. let me read what you're reporting about. meadows recalled to investigators only one instance in his time serving as trump's chief of staff where he claimed to see trump declassifying documents, involving a binder of fbi documents into campaign ties into russia. the justice department has resisted publicly releasing the documents. we know from the indictment now that's not what's been charged in terms of trump's classified material at mar-a-lago. talk about the importance of trump being boxed out. nobody ever heard of a standing order on declassification. >> if there were such an order, it's impossible to imagine that neither his chief of staff nor his vice president know about it. it's borderline absurd to think that there could be such a broad order and those two individuals would have no idea about it. look, it's also important that even if trump had done that, it doesn't protect him in this case. it doesn't protect him for two reasons. one, he's being charged with mishandling defense information. classification is not directly relevant to that charge and also there's the clear obstruction charges, which are arguably just as serious as the actual mishandling as the classified information. it's the obstruction of this investigation. look, if he had had some broad standing order, his chief of staff would have known about it. now, pence was a little bit on the outs in those final days. who knows, but one of them, if not both of them, would certainly have known about such a broad declassification order, even if it was that one that he could just think about things and they would be declassified. >> sean hannity, i have to be here with a straight face. i wonder if you can sort of contextualize, how the government has trump dead to rights on the criminal and obstructive acts. i know you have some insights about the incredible and extraordinary and not to be overlooked incompetence with which the alleged crimes were carried out. take me through your broader analysis of where this investigation stands. >> what strikes me about specifically this classified documents case is that the alleged obstruction is brazen. if you look at the superseding indictment, what jack smith is saying is the day after he is subpoenaed for that surveillance footage, the very next day walt nauta, his personal aide is high tailing it down to mar-a-lago, meeting with his property manager, going through the tunnels with flashlights and taking the i.t. director into a closet and telling him the boss wants this server deleted. that's brazen activity, but it's also stunningly incompetent because the alleged obstruction is actually captured by the very surveillance cameras that have captured the video that they're trying to destroy. and of course they are unable to destroy the footage. so it's this kind of keystone cops thing going on where they're trying to do something completely outrageous and allegedly right after materials is being subpoenaed to destroy it. destruction of evidence is something that happens in criminal cases all the time and is charged but rarely do you see literally the response to a subpoena being a move to obstruct. and then having that activity captured by the very cameras that captured the footage in the first place. you know, nicole, it reminded me actually of january 6th, which was similarly incredibly brazen and a brazen attempt to stop the certification of joe biden's election victory. but it was also the same kind of stunning incompetence. in jack smith's indictment, you see what the description of what jack smith did after the writers were cleared out of the building and just before congress comes back in to continue the certification, he makes calls to several senators as if he's still trying to whip votes after the attacks on the capitol, as if there was still a chance that they could vote to block the certification. and not only that, in at least one case, they had the wrong phone number for one of the senators. he was trying to call tommy tuberville. >> and the person pulling the puppet strings is an american president, a sitting one january 6th and a twice impeached one and now four times indicted. the brazen incompetence is in your new book. i wonder where it leaves trump in terms of legal vulnerability and his circle turning on him. mark meadows sounds like a witness against him potentially in the documents case. where does that leave trump? >> it raises the big question of where mark meadows is on the other special counsel investigation. while mark meadows is clearly going to be a key figure in the documents case, he's a far more central figure on january 6th. >> yeah. >> i mean, he's the one who's with donald trump in that dining room off the oval office. he's the one who more than any other single individual is an eyewitness to trump's actions on january 6th, not to mention of course his actions in the weeks leading up to january 6th, he's the one on the ground in fulton county, he's the one that's arranging the phone call with brad raffensperger, he's the one who is ultimately direct are or coordinating the effort to get the fake electors in the seven states. so if mark meadows is talking to investigators on the classified documents case and doing so with some candor, it looks like he's at least providing testimony that will be likely to be damaging to donald trump. what is he saying in the january 6th case? >> it is like the 64 million dollar question all over d.c. and you get so much further for an understanding on the documents side. i'm dying to bring glen and david into this conversation. we'll have much more on jack smith's other investigation into donald trump and all the questions that john is describing are still swirling on what exactly meadows' role is in that investigation. and an argument getting traction on the left and right that the republican presidential front-runner, the four-times indictmented ex-president himself should be disqualified for running for president at all because of his role in the attack on the capitol. and federal just ester solace was tragically murdered by a gunman who argued a case before solace and targeted her and her family will be our guest. all that and more after a quick break. don't go anywhere today. go anyw. - oh, i saw it. - sorry about the vase. - can we just say vase like normal people? - fine. - i always wondered what it would be like to have a tail. - maybe you did one time. and maybe a thousand years from now, i'll be tail-less using that chewy app to get you great prices on treats. - i'm pretty sure it takes more than a thousand years- - vase. - pets aren't just pets. they're more. - vase! - [announcer] save more on what they love with everyday great prices at chewy. 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"it" was being hung. >> yeah, nicole, i think glen's question is a very good one and i'm curious if the vice is not just tight enough yet on mark meadows because i served with mark meadows, i know mark meadows and i believe today that mark meadows has sung like a canary already to jack smith. he is somebody who holds himself out with a bit of a compass. that requires you to skip past the fact that he went to work with donald trump, which holds all these morals questions in and of itself. he is somebody who considers himself to have a certain amount of compass and i think he's someone who doesn't want to go to prison for donald trump. i think he's in that category that says if my personal jeopardy and freedom are on the line, i'm happy to talk about donald trump. so with that in mind, you know, what i am curious about is a move by mark meadows to try to move the georgia matter to federal court avoids the substantive matter, avoids the substantive question, it raises the question if he can get out of federal court without addressing the hard questions in georgia. and i actually think that's consistent with him having cooperated with jack smith. i guess i'd have a question a bit for glen or john's reporting. could jack smith actually support that removal from state court to federal court? because at the end of the day, what i truly, truly believe about mark meadows is he's cooperating and he's going to give up the president. >> john karl. >> i don't know about supporting the effort for the case in georgia. donald trump fought mightily to keep meadows from testifying. he invoked privilege and ultimately they failed, which is why meadows initially agreed to talk to the special counsel under subpoena. so i don't know. the big question that both of you are raising is is there a cooperation agreement, is there something more? but what we can see from this reporting we've done at abc is at the very least meadows has been speaking to investigators at the special counsel's office and has been at least in the classified document case answering questions with apparent candor. >> you know what david and glen already know. you can check out but never leave "deadline white house." special counsel is fighting back to delay the federal trial. the court filing for special counsel jack smith wrote this: "in service of a proposed trial date in 2026 that would deny the public its right to a speedy trial, the defendant cites inaposit statistics and cases, overstates the amount of new and non-duplicative, neither the discovery nor any other factor raised impedes this trial. he's proposed a jury trial december and starting in january 2024. it seems quite direct. >> i love jack smith east strayed forward, no nonsense style. i can't tell you how i've been guilty of this, well, my brother across the bar seems to misapprehend the subtleties. no, no, no, none of that with jack smith. he calls its way he sees it. i think the donald trump defense team has made that easy in that regard because i don't think you're engaged in legitimate lawyering when you come back with a counterproposal saying let's kick this case two and a half to three years downs road. i don't think that's a straight-face request. it makes donald trump's defense lawyers sound more like assistant campaign managers, and i think it might actually boomerang on them and have the effect of judge chutkan setting a far earlier trial date than a later trial date. i don't think these tactics are going to play well with jack smith or judge chutkan. >> john karl, we're can't wait for the new book. glen, it's always a treat to talk to you. and john's upcoming book "tired of winning" is available to be preordered. we'll move on to politics as the ex-president is well ahead of the other candidates. there are some legal experts on the left and right of american legal thought proposing and asking the question can an individual who incited the deadly insurrection even legal live run for and be the president of the united states of america? 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will you be on the stage? >> i absolutely will be. we met the 40,000 donor threshold and met the threshold for the polling requirements. we'll be there, excited about it this wednesday. >> tell me your story of breaking with donald trump. i think there is a chip on my shoulder, if you can't see it from there as a once loyal republican at people that needed -- i guess with you, you don't break with trump on january 6th, it takes you until january 8th, 2021. explain that. >> well, you're right. i was in trump's camp. i'm a loyal republican, i supported him in the race in 2016 and 2020. but it was whenever after january 6th, which was a terrible day for our democracy and attack on our capitol, but then whenever he made it clear he was not going to participate in the peaceful transfer of power to the next administration, that breaches the best traditions of our presidency, the best traditions of our democracy. and i said enough's enough on that. and i do admire vice president pence. he was there in that transition of power. i was there also, just as a demonstration as a republican that we're going to continue those traditions and recognize the new leadership in our country. >> if you are not the republican nominee, will you vote for donald trump as president? >> well, i don't expect him to be the nominee so -- >> he's ahead 30 points in the latest polls. it's certainly a possibility. >> well, i understand that and i'm sure that will come up on the debate stage, but of course if you believe he's not qualified under our constitution, the 14th amendment, then he's not going to even be in the picture. >> well, i agree with you but did you sign the pledge as a condition of being in the debate that you'll support the eventual nominee? i'm just trying to find the consistency with your stated positions. i admire some of them but some of them don't add up. >> you got to think a little bit lawyerly here that i signed it saying i'm going to support the nominee of the party. i do not believe that donald trump will be the nominee of the party so i can feel comfortable in signing that pledge. now you're asking me questions of what's going to happen down the road? i'm sticking with that statement. that gets me on the debate stage and it's important for me to be there and my voice. and we'll see what the future holds after that. >> david jolly, i think we can both agree it's important for anti-trump voices to be on that stage. trump won't be. but it's also fair to ask question what the person who is 30 points ahead would garner from support from the other republicans in the field. >> yeah, nicole, i'm of the mindset there's no reason for donald trump politically to appear on the stage and i think the governor and others can wrestle with questions whether or not there is value in addressing donald trump that night or addressing the other candidates on the stage. i'm just honestly in realtime a bit taken aback. governor, i don't understand what you just said, that you don't think he's qualified to be president and you don't support him but you would support him. i apologize. i'm at a bit of a pause. i don't understand what you said. >> david is a lawyer. i'm not. do you want to take another stab at that, governor, helping us understand? >> i said on the pledge that i will support the nominee of the party. that's what i said. i could in good conscience sign that because i believe that i'll be the nominee of the party or somebody else on the stage wednesday night. donald trump hasn't signed that. donald trump hasn't signed that. not going to participate of that. i expect to be the nominee of the party wednesday night. you can accept that or reject it but that's the basis on which i in good conscience can sign that pledge. >> if i may, if donald trump's name appears as the republican nominee whether he's qualified or not, are you going to vote for donald trump next november if he's the nominee of the republican party? >> i don't expect to be the nominee of the party -- >> that's not what i said, governor. i support your spirit but are you going to vote for donald trump as the republican nominee if indeed he's on the ballot in arkansas where you're registered to vote? >> and i hear you very clearly exactly what you're asking me and i just gave you the answer that i am providing in signing that pledge based upon. you don't have to accept it. i just gave you the answer. >> governor, i think one of the reasons that the republican party is so out of step with the american people on abortion, red, red states like kansas and ohio have rejected moves, and i know you have very absolute views on that issue, is because they're so out of step. and i think the other piece of it is they refuse to deal with the facts as they really are. and the facts as they really are and believe me, from the bottom of my heart, i wish it wasn't the case but donald trump is ahead 30 points over the second most popular republican and that isn't you, sir, unfortunately. but i wonder how we are to cover seeming contradictions in views. you make a very strong constitutional argument, not just that he's the wrong president on policy but that it is unconstitutional because of the 14th amendment but you won't say here to us, two former republicans that you won't vote for him? >> well, it's necessary to be on the debate. obviously chris christie and others have signed that pledge. they have their own rationale for being able to do that. i've said i'm not going to support anybody who is a convicted felon, i'm not going to support somebody who is disqualified from it. so i'm trying to make it clear what my position is. it's not hard to figure it out. if you see a contradiction in there, perhaps that will be clarified in future discussions on the debate or down the road. but i think i've been very clear that i don't believe donald trump should be the leader of the party, should be the next president of the united states. that's why i'm running, that's why i'm in debate and i'm making my case very clearly. so i'm speaking my beliefs to the american public, whether it's the issue of abortion or whether it's the issue of donald trump. the voters get to make their decision as to who's being authentic, who could lead this country and who could bring us beyond donald trump and the chaos that he's presented for the party in the last few years. >> and to be fair, you are not the only republican with this position. everyone on the stage has also signed the pledge. i won't say some of them, at least one other is making strong arguments similar to the ones you are against donald trump's fitness and that's governor chris christie. government hutchinson, thank you very much for spending some time and fielding our blunt and impassioned questions. we are grateful to you and wish you good luck in the upcoming debate. >> and coming up, we're bursting with things to mull on the state of the republican primary in 2023. don't go anywhere. don't go anywhere. what do we always say, son? 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(vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. a movement can't be about the personality of one individual. the movement has to be about what are you trying to achieve on behalf of the american people, and that has to be based in principle, because if you're not rooted in principle, if all we are is listless vessels that you're supposed to follow whatever happens to come down the pike on truth social every morning, that is not going to be a durable movement. >> so there's only one candidate running for president was on truth social. and his supporters are, quote, listless vessels? >> tell us what you really think. i've been paying, i was thinking about the fact that trump calls him rond de sanctimonious. it means critically pious or devout. it is what ron desantis seems like, contrary to what he just said. it is not a about a larger movement. the king of the antiwoke movement and doing everything to seemingly prop up himself. he talks about reclamation and revenge. it seems bigger than him. that obviously scares me but -- >> that's the threat, right? >> if you compare those two strategies, if you will, that's what donald trump is doing. this broader audience. >> the basket of deplorables desantis version. >> that's why he will get on that stage and maybe he helps himself, maybe he doesn't. the reality is you don't run for president to mobilize the vote against you. >> that's so right. >> david, you get the right word. >> ron desantis was tea partying freedom caucus when libber arianism was cool. he's now a big government conservative. he's more amorphous than george santos. hopefully more republican there's focus in on that wednesday night. >> the incredible outing for david today who picked up the slack when my jaw literally slacked and ran with it on behalf of the show and the viewers. thank you, my friends. thank you both for spending time with us today. coming up in the next hour, something really important, a conversation we've hoped to have for a long time. after her son was murdered by a gunman who was actually targeting her, judge esther solis went on a mission to make the tragedy that happened to her family not happen to others. after a quick break. n to others. after a quick break. that's my boy. ♪ stay off the freeways! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ become an aunty. book a flight. stay 4 nights. meet the baby. make the baby cry. give the baby back. fly home. silver tier in a single trip. join one key and move up tiers fast. mr. senna's into nature. professor kot's into science. but together, we work! like our senokot laxatives. to relieve occasional constipation, senokot's made from the senna plant. refined by science to be reliable. perfect match! just like us! hmph! senokot. 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(vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. hi there, everyone. it's 5:00 in new york. regular viewers of this program know that we say that we are living through extraordinary times. it goes without saying that not everything that makes it extraordinary is good. most of it isn't. the disgraced, twice impeached expresident continues to overshadow american politics and it extends into civic life and that's not hyperbole. it's not me saying that. it is very real. consider the texas woman who has been threatening, whenner the flurry of threats against grand jurors in the case facing donald trump at a fulton county, georgia. that's just today. right? this news cycle. on any given day, there are countless threats against civil servants, election workers, judges, secretaries of state, jurors, anyone tasked with doing their civic duty and maybe tangentially involved. violent actions have become more and more socialized and normalized than ever before. no one has lived that or knows that better than judge esther salas who suffered an unimaginable, unthinkable tragedy and loss three years ago when her private tragedy became national and international news. >> to weeks ago, my life as i knew it changed in an instant and my family will never be the same. a madman who i believe was targeting me because of my position as a federal judge came to my house. our family had just finished a weekend celebration in honor of our son daniel mark. his 20th birthday. daniel and i went downstairs to the basement and we were chatting as we always do. and daniel said, mom, let's keep talking. i love talking to you, mom. and it was at that exact moment that the door bell rang and daniel looked at me and said, who is that? and before i could say a word, he sprinted upstairs. within seconds, i heard the sound of bullets and someone screaming, no! i later learned that this monster who had a fedex package in his hand opened fire. but daniel being daniel protected his father and he took the shooter's first bullet directly to the chest. my family has experienced a pain that no one should ever have to endure and i am here asking everyone to ensure that no one has to experience this kind of pain. we may not be able to stop something like this from happening again but we can make it hard for those who target us, to track us down. >> we can make it hard, right? maybe that's the best we can do. make it harder. so that display of strength and grace and courage in the face of any one of us could imagine what we would be feeling if we were going through the same takes my breath away. in the three years since her son's murder, judge salas has turned her personal tragedy into a very specific mission, fueled by a mother's love and a judge's sense of justice. her call for action is impossible to turn away from and at this very moment, desperately needed. joining me onset, u.s. district court judge for the district of new jersey, esther salas. thank you. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> how did you do that? >> a whole lot of faith. a whole lot of love and a whole lot of support from everyone from my family on out, and people all over the united states and beyond. the love that was just expressed through prayers, through thoughts, through cards was just amazing and it brought me back. i'm not going to lie. i was in a dark place. when they said that danny didn't make it, that sunday on july 19th, 2020, and i remember screaming in the waiting room. will somebody tell me whether i'm planning two funerals or one? and mark was fighting for his life. >> your husband. >> yeah. my husband mark of 28 years. this past july, 28 years. we've been married 28 years now. and i remember just going dark. i tell people it felt like a lightswitch just turned off. >> this is your beautiful boy. these are pictures you shared with us. >> oh, apply gosh. i started reminiscing again today when i was pulling them all out. that was his junior prom. so handsome, yet so goofy. >> a rangers fan. >> there is my husband mark. that was his buddy. and danny just loved life, any old. he just loved life, every moment of it. i always think about his senseless death made sense of his life. when he was saddest is when he was alone in his room with nothing to do. >> yeah. >> you have talked about his murderer and you were targeted for assassination, casing your house. i read the speech that you gave at his birthday this year, right? for your anniversary. you think that you locked eyes with him and you saw him on your block. can you tell us about that day? >> it was daniel's weekend celebration. >> i love that. i too don't have a birth day. it's a week long. >> my husband likes to say every day is your birthday, right? >> yeah, no, we had decided to invite friends over on the 17th, a friday night. he was so excited. he was jumping out of his skin. the door bell rang. he would run and get the door and introduce us. look at my mom. she ordered food for us. he was so excited. all the while, the man was outside our door watching his friends one by one come in. it was covid so we were worried. we tried to separate everyone as much as we could. the next morning, you know, i kissed a lot of danny's friends nearby. the ones that stayed were headed to the beach. and i had made breakfast for them that morning. i'll never forget it. i put too much parsley in the eggs. >> too much parsley! >> note to self. young men don't want anything green in there. i remember wanting to give him his privacy. i grabbed two dogs and i walked out to the grassy area by my house. as i was walking, something didn't feel right. i noticed a car was sort of out of place. and i remember looking and he looked and we locked eyes for a second. and then he looked away. and i would later find out that that would be the man that would come the next day at 5:00, ring our door bell and take may only child. >> and he was looking for you. >> he wanted me. >> why? >> he was angry with me. he felt i wasn't moving his case fast enough. truth be told, he was a self-proclaimed antifeminist, i believe a racist based on what i've been told that he wrote about me in the manifesto which i haven't read. i think he was angry with the world, and he decided to take it out on me. one of the things that i found out during an fbi debriefing after the murder was that day, sunday, he went down to the desk and paid for three more nights. he was staying in a hotel less than a mail away. >> he wasn't going to leave. >> oh, no. >> and i remember saying to the agent, why do you think he did that? he looked at me stone cold and he said, ma'am, he was going to kill you and stay long enough to get the job done. then i remember, at the time i didn't know whether it was my job that did this or something else. and i remember asking the special agent in charge, why did he come in to get me? he must have heard me by that time screaming. what is happening? and i remember running up the stairs. when i got up the stairs, something no mother should ever see, there's danny perpendicular to the door holding his chest, like softly moaning, and my husband was at the porch. he had dragged himself to the porch trying just to get a license plate of this guy. and then i remember kneeling down and i lifted up danny's shirt and i saw the bullet hole. and then mark managed to get himself right back to where we were. and we were flanking him. and i tell everybody that, you know, i always think of sally fields and that movie that she played, i think it was steel magnolias and she's talking, she's saying, i was there when that beautiful baby came into the world. i was there with you. so sort of like a blessing that he knew his parents were right there. and, you know, it was the worst day of my life. but i have to stay in the light, you know. i have to honor him, may son expects mark and i to thrive in this world. not just survive. to thrive. and i always tell people, when daniel was in his human form, he gave our life purpose. he still gives my life purpose. it is just now it is shining on other people. >> i can't imagine that. i said this to you yesterday. i can't imagine finding the strength to do the same thing in your shoes. but i wonder, i wonder if you ever were scared before this, or if you had sort of like the bliss of ignorance, right? the not knowing. >> they do a good job telling us how to take precautions. and we were very precautious. pretalked about not accepting packages, not bringing them into the house. >> not opening things. >> but it was covid. so we were ordering every day. and my son, i love him to death and he loved my cooking. he did love himself burritos. and they were coming constantly. and it our defenses kind of are just, loosened up a bit. and we all got a little. i have to tell you, again, you know i'm a very spiritual person and i don't believe in coincidences. i always say danny's friends from catholic university said, there is no such thing as coincidences. there's god incidences. danny was in the basement with me. we were cleaning up right before the door bell rang and we were having one of those deep conversations that him and i had often and he was telling me all his worries with his friends and everything. i remember, he was swinging a wiffle bag back and forth. >> always swinging a sports stick. >> always swinging something. and mark had come down for a second. mark, i tell everyone. that was his buddy, his sports buddy. but i was his confidante. so he was pouring his heart out to me and he said, mom and i are talking. so mark bolted up the stairs and danny turned around and he said, mom, keep talking to me. i love talking to you. and it was that very moment that the door bell rang. and he said, his face changed from calm and serene to anxious and concerned. >> alert. >> in seconds. that wasn't danny. and before i could say don't get it, dad will get it. again, ran up the stairs to meet his fate. and you know, a lot of people say we don't know with a danny and this man, because mark was coming around the living room. it's our foyer and really to the right of the foyer, if you're staring out to the street, and mark was coming around and he heard stuff but he can't tell us what it was. this man had killed a week earlier. the same m.o. with a lawyer -- >> california. >> yeah. when he shot that lawyer, he made the lawyer, he did the same thing. posed as a delivery guy. he needs to sign for it. when the lawyer came, he started shooting. and stepped into the foyer to finish the job. they did all the forensics in my house. that man's footprint was nowhere to be found. my son kept him out of our house. >> away from you. >> away from us. away from me and away from his father who he knew was right there. so in my mind, you know, that was an intentional act of my son's. a sign of bravery and courage. so how can i not be brave and courageous as well? >> and you've changed the world. you've changed the laws. let's deal with the federal law first and then we'll talk about the work that still needs to be done? >> sure, yeah. i started on this mission while, i say to everybody, the lightswitch went on the in the hospital at some point, thank god. and started on wanting to do, to play that video and that was the first step of the journey that i've been on. luckily we've seen new jersey pass a law in four and a half months after the attack. it is called daniel's law. shields our home addresses and our other personally identifiable information. it took a bit, the federal law did, i look at blessings. it passed last year, december 23rd, 2022. what a christmas present we got. and president biden signed it. it's a great law. i'm thankful to all the congressional leaders that met and worked in a bipartisan way to get it done. >> what does it do? does it create more flags for law enforcement? or keeps the information off the internet? what does it do in. >> there is a lot of things the federal law does. it keep our personally identifiable information, out home addresses, phone numbers, things can use to track us off federal websites. it prohibits data brokers from selling that information. there is a mechanism if indeed there is your information out there and we can't get, in the company or the website to take it down. we can seek assistance from the director of the administrative office at the courts to help us. it does a lot. it gave more ability to the marshals and funding. we've got something called a vulnerability management program now. people sort of the silos aren't there as much. and the law is a solid step in the right direction. the problem is that the law has its limits. federal judges are covered but state and local judges are not covered. we have over 30,000 state and local judges that serve this country, that serve their states. and we have no idea right now how to even track whether there are how many judges have lost their lives, as i like to say, in the line of duty. there is no central repository for this information. >> that's crazy. >> and to boot, there are not a lot of states that have laws aimed at judicial officers. there's a handful. so in order for the federal law to work, you need the states to pass similar laws. and the federal law is a perfect template for it. you can look to the federal law. we have laws for matters of public concern, so there are exceptions that each state can work with. what we need is governors to buy in. >> we live in a moment, and i want to ask you how you come at it from the other piece. changing the culture, softening the rhetoric. every person in the arena faces threats. how is it something that not everyone is throwing in the same direction on? >> i think that there are so many reasons why we could probably say they're not working to pass these laws but i think there are so many more we need to. we need to protect judges. we need to make judges feel protected. they need to be able to do their jobs without fear of retaliation, retribution or death. >> the most basic tenet of our democracy. >> absolutely. and what we're founded on in this country. so the constitution mandates, democracy mandates that we protect judges. listen, i've been giving speeches all across this country and it's not hyperbole when i say that to topple a democracy, you can just look at history and you can see, they go after judges. the judges are the first they target. we have to realize that this country is great because all facets of our government work and stay in their lanes, right? we have to work together. and we have to protect judges. judges have to feel safe. sadly you know, you covered the story, post daniel's murder, we've had more misses with justice kavanaugh, and poor justice roemer who was retired for scene years but someone who held a judge went to his house on a friday at 6:00 a.m. and zip tied the judge. i think of his family and i still think of his family and every time, something happens, you know, mark and i have wounds that will never heal. when we see something like threats on judicial officers, and we know that there are so many states where judges remain vulnerable, you know, it is something to really give us pause and continue to fight. i probably asked, where do i get my -- i feel like i get my, i never want anyone to feel what mark and i feel on a daily. >> how do you fix the political culture so there is a political punishment, not a political award when a prominent figure like donald trump who attacks the judge on his case. >> i think at the end of the day, we can change the way we give that news. how we cover it. how we talk about it. i like to think, i read a book called the four agreements. and it talks about the rules. one of the first rules is be impeccable with your word. and i try every day to be impeccable with my word. >> what does that include when that happens? what does that look like? >> i think about what i will say before i say it. >> consequences. >> everything. i start to think, what i'm about to do, is it going to help the situation? or is it going to hurt someone's feelings? >> you don't name the killer and they don't name the individual who took his daughter's life. some of this is an important note for all of us. i've learned from people who have lost how to do that. on these threats that are, they seem like they'll be part of the next presidential campaign, how do we treat them with the real and grave danger they present? >> it at the end of the day, when we set an example, each of us in our everyday lives and outwardly, how we deal with people. how we begin to change with the way we deal with one another. the civility. words matter. conduct matters. when we no longer tolerate or have a the stomach for it, or want to feed into it, that is the way we start. grassroots. grassroots. i can tell you in my little circle, how i've changed, you know, the way i talk to people, the way people talk to me. and i try every day to remember that, you know, what i want to do is be an instrument of change. a positive change. how can i make this place, this world a better place? as you said, you're living in dark times right now. but we have the power to change that. we have the power to say to our leaders, we don't want that. we're not buying that. we want, you know, we are going to support judges. we're going to pass legislation to protect judges. we're going to -- >> because we need them. whether they're perceived to be on our side. i know you don't like that, and i'll take that note from you, to always reveal who appointed a judge. that it connotes political violence. >> now any time a judicial officer is spoken of, it starts with appointed by, appointed by. and i think that what is the inference? let me tell you something. we take oaths. and i have to say that i truly believe in our justice system. i am a proud -- >> you still do. >> i'm a proud american. my mom is from cuba and my dad from mexico. my mom had a fourth grade education. she made sure that all of us went to college. and here i am, you know, growing up in new jersey. the daughter of a single mom and i became the first latina district judge attorney in new jersey. only in america does that happen. i do believe we are, in my opinion, i'm so proud of being an american. i'm so proud of being a citizen. and i just think that we have to start remembering what we're all about. remembering who we are, remembering what we're all about, remembering that together, we accomplished so much more than when we're on our own. together, we can move mountains. by ourselves, it is just a lonely existence. >> i think you're amazing. i hope that you'll come back with all of your efforts in any state to pass daniel's law, and you, i have known of your story since the moment it happen. i have followed it. it changed my life. it changed how i feel about being a mom in the public arena and i am profoundly sorry for the loss of your beautiful, beautiful son. >> thank you. and if i can just say that i urge all states and territories to pass legislation that will protect the judiciary, that will protect the first amendment at the same time. look to the federal government. >> let's put up how the states are doing next time you're here. we'll put up all the states and territories and we'll go through where everybody is. >> i have it here. i've got the list here. >> we'll build that next time and we'll go through, we'll put all the states and laws. we'll look at the reality. the reality is the threats are going up, not down. >> they are. going up, not down. one of the things i've learned from this tragedy is the value of human life. i'm reminded of it every day. so let's treat life with the value that it deserves and let's treat each other with the respect we deserve. >> thank you. >> thank you for having me. >> really special. our thanks to judge esther salas for being here. we'll keep our promise and put up all the states. when we come back, we'll turn to this foepg we spend a lot of time on. this rise in the threats against judges and politically motivated violence. just this weekend we learned the horrific news about a california shop owner who was shot and killed over the pride flag she was flying outside of her store. our panel joins the conversation after a very short break. don't go anywhere. short break don't go anywhere. s. shelves that know what taste buds want. shelves smart enough to see, sense, react, restock. ♪ so caramel swirl is always there for the taking. wayfair has nice prices, so you can have nice things. um kelly? 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(vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. esther salas's story in her own words has moved us in her continued fight in today's dark climate. three years since her son was killed by a gunman was targeting her because of her views and her gender and her race. it come as we learn about another tragedy. this happened on friday in california. a mother of nine was shot and murdered outside her store. according to the sheriff's department by a man who made, quote, disparaging remarks about the rainbow flag. dozens of people arrived at the site of the shooting, the murder, leaving flowers and cards and proud flags to pay respects. from "the new york times" reporting, every time someone ripped down the rainbow flag, the san bernardino mountains in california, the store's owner responded, by putting up a bigger one. the store is listed as a business ally in lake arrowhead. laurie did not identify as lgbtq plus but spent her time helping and advocating for everyone in the community, the group said on facebook. she will be truly missed. joining our really important conversations, three of our favorite friends, for national security, plus former fbi counter intelligence agent, also joining us, professor of african american studies at princeton university, eddie, i'll start with you. my heart has been broken wide open there on tv. we talk about our kids a lot and the things that threaten them. in some ways, this targeting of people in the arena and of their kids is among the most harrowing of them. it is amazing to me it isn't a circuit breaker. we don't look up and say, whoa! this isn't what we wanted. this isn't what anyone wanted. it appears it isn't. and i wonder if you think we've recalibrated for that sad reality. >> first of all, as an extraordinary interview on so many levels, and second, you know, political violence, it has always been a feature of american politics. it is something we are reluctant to admit. you think about political assassination. you think about the violence of the mid 20th century. we can go down the line and i can give you more historical examples. when we find ourselves in a moment when the contra addictions are in full view. when we are comfortable with where we are, violence often becomes the default position. and many of us, and we need to say this really quickly. it's not an abstraction. what we just heard from the judge, what we know is that this culture of political violence, the rhetoric, right? has consequences, dire consequences for people's lives. and we have to acknowledge it for real if we're going to address it earnestly and honestly. >> pete, you and i had a pretty frank conversation about your book and about your, i think you talked about getting off the x when you were under constant daily targeted threats of punishment and humiliation and everything that trump and his allies wanted to do to you. i can't even totally follow the thread in their y. i wonder if you can explain what it is like for permission structure to exist to target and threaten you? >> well, nicole, the first thing is i echo eddie's comments. what an extraordinary act of bravery for judge salas to get up and talk about the extraordinary loss that she and her family experienced, to talk about the underlying message in her pain to bring a very compelling argument about what needs to be done. this unfortunately is not an outliar anymore. this is something we're seeing, whether it is a man who was killed in utah after they pulled a gun on him for making threats against president biden, a woman making a threat against judge chutkan. i hesitate to talk about my experiences. the last thing you want to do is personalize it. i've had threatening levels delivered. my home, my kids in their home look out the window. you're accustomed to doing it in places overseas, but to be doing that, to need to worry about on the streets of america, there is nothing i ever expected seeing. part of the chilling aspect, talking about the fbi has created an entire unit, an entire unit just to track threats against fbi personnel. that didn't exist when the fbi was beginning to combat organized crime, al capone. here we are in 2023, the fbi has a unit to protect the fbi from threats of violence. some of it is access to weapons. way too easy. we have an entire party who is encouraging this sort of behavior. who is speaking in messianic terms. talking about the need to extract vengeance and calling people dogs and tacitly encouraging this violence. i completely agree with eddie. it is not something perhaps happening in the future. it is going on now and has been for some time. >> i think constantly about, i won't say, not to make it about us in the media but how can we be part of the solution? one of the things i worry about is that we silo it too much, right? i don't know that we know that the rhetoric on the right, or ron desantis' don't say gay bills or fox's elevation of don't say gay bills, or the hysteria around the 100 trans athletes who have to figure out how to compete in a sport they grew up loving is directly related to violence that targets lgbtq individuals or their allies. no one knows that it isn't. i wonder if we fail to tie together the climate and the rhetoric with the acts of violence. we're so afraid. i love my first amendment rights. i can only have this conversation because of the first amendment. i worry that there's a chilling effect on just putting it on the table, whether all the hate directed at marginalized communities, which by the way, are all targeted. the homeland security department says they're all targeted for political violence. there's no one that isn't except we can all guess who. i wonder if we keep them separate because we just look at, well, everyone is free to say what they want. >> you know, i think it doesn't take very much of a stretch to tie many of the acts of violence to the rhetoric in online spaces and in the offline spaces. three days a week a research group with whom i work with sends me monitoring notes with what they're seeing. and there is not a single day that goes by that there aren't more attacks on the lgbtq plus community. i mean, it has been just incessant for the last year. there has always been attacks. the volume and not just saying mean things or threatening violence in big ways. there is a lot of organizing. there are events across the country in big cities and small towns. antipride events. straight pride events that are anti-lgbtq events. there are outside the lgbtq plus community, there are white lives matter events and all kinds of pro white nationalism events. these things are happening all around the country on a daily basis. and often time when you do see an act of violence, an attempted act of violence take place, once you trace back that person's social media use, their contacts, the type of media they're consuming, you will often see that's the kind of thing they're consuming. i don't think it is too much of a stretch to say the rhetoric plays into it. look at the direct relationship to the things donald trump says and people willing to take action. donald trump, when you think about the mar-a-lago search, right after that, when he vilified the fbi, we had an attempt in cincinnati, a shooter who tried to attack the fbi. now we have judge chutkan right after donald trump excore greats her publicly. this is the federal judge in the district of columbia who has his federal indictment for the january 6th-related conspiracy before her, right after that, we've had a woman in texas who has been arrested for her threatening phone call. i think the point you raise about the first amendment, one i've raised before. the first amendment is not limitless. it does not protect threats of imminent violence. it doesn't protect violence itself. and i think our law has been interpreted to be even more generous than it should. i think courts will have to grapple with what is imminent violence when we have social media and the internet and people like mr. trump and others who say things publicly, whether it is at a rally, whether it is on truth social, or on fox news or some cable news. they say, they portray victim hood and they vilify whoever they see as their opponent, even someone doing their job, like a federal judge, like judge salas or judge chutkan. very soon there after, almost immediately there after you see online threats. and often it's not very long before you see other times of threats and sometimes actual action. and i think this idea, incitement to imminent violence, we have to think about what imminent means. and we have to really rethink the breadth that people want to give to the first amendment. it is not limitless. it can be overcome by public interest and this is certainly a compelling government interest. >> i want to press out what that looks like. in the zeal of health care, why not in a zeal to prevent political assassinations don't we track the web traffic, illegal guns? it just seems like there is a bucket of things that people are willing to do in certain instances. around political violence, it is very difficult to get the boulder moving, to even get the conversation moving and to even get a bipartisan action. you don't get the sense republicans want anything to do with the rising violence. judge salas was talking about consensus building. it would be news to me if i heard that republicans wanted to come to the table and be part of the conversation around political violence. so i'll put that question to all of you. i have to sneak in a quick break first. don't go anywhere. we'll be right back. anywhere. we'll be right back. let innovation refunds help with your erc tax refund so you can improve your business however you see fit. rosie used part of her refund to build an outdoor patio. clink! dr. marshall used part of his refund to give his practice a facelift. emily used part of her refund to buy... i run a wax museum. let innovation refunds help you get started on your erc tax refund. stop waiting. go to innovationrefunds.com you really got the brows. 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(vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. david: as we start a new school year, there's something new happening in california's public schools. they're called community schools. leslie: it really is shared leadership with families, students, educators, and communities. jessie: i feel like we're really valued as partners. david: it's a more innovative, holistic approach. grant: in addition to academic services, we look at serving the whole family. narrator: wellness centers, food pantries, and parental education. jessie: they're already making a difference. david: california's community schools: reimagining public education. so eddie, hillary clinton had an interesting piece that she wrote. an interesting conversation with rachel maddow and david brooks has written about it, too. it is sort of taking this conversation about loneliness, which the surgeon general has warned is an epidemic in our country, and maybe putting it on the table as a political dynamic. it leads to political extremism or at least creates a more friendly climate for political extremism to grow. i read a lot of rene brown. she talks about a petrie dish. if you put loneliness in a petrie dish, it flourishes. if you put people back in communities, maybe it doesn't. are we still a country that cares enough to do that? it seems the problem is so obvious and it is staring us in the face. do all of us band together and say, they're coming for people, democrats, the lgbtq plus community, for the teachers, the artists, the fbi, do the rest of us stand up and say enough and do something different? or do we not do that anymore? >> it doesn't seem like we do it anymore. responsibility has been so individualized over the last 50 years, right? the idea that we can be responsible as a culture for producing the context of these sorts of acts, right? it is anathema. these are the lone individuals. what are our responsibilities in terms of creating the context that's produce this. it is not just the person in the basement of their mother's house. it is also a political rhetoric that cashes in on hatred and grievance. really quickly, think about the enforcement act of 1871. that was a decision by the country that it was going to get rid of the violence. the actual legal violence of the actual kkk. they decided to do it. the echo of that is in the january 6th indictment. we can make that decision if we decide that political violence has no place in our politics. but we have actors who take advantage of it for their own gains, their own pursuit of power. it has systemic issues as well as the individual elements as well. >> and i think the fingerprints of it are all over everyone who said and did nothing. i go back to 95th all the time. if you say something, see something, is what was asked of citizens. now, you know, when donald trump accused andrew mccabe of treason, and i don't remember if he accused you of that as well, republicans didn't say anything. they didn't say no, he didn't. they said and did nothing. i wonder what you think, pete, the damage done by silence. is that complicity? is it danger? is it undoable? >> of course it is complicit. the fact is, multiple years in the trump presidency with the large bulk of the federal bureaucracy doing nothing to push back against his outrageous comments and outrageous commands created lasting harm. you mentioned 9/11. i think about the work we did on the international terrorism front and january 6th and the failures. when i look at the fbi, when i look at law enforcement and of thinking about how do we approach this new threat, how much do we need to rebalance or rethink the level that we want law enforcement looking at these threats because there's such a hesitancy leading up to january 6th to look at anything which might be construed as political speech, no matter how violent, i think there's a very real need for a discussion about do we need to rebalance where that line is for federal investigations, given the violence that we're seeing. we absolutely have to do something, i think we did ourselves a huge disservice as a nation by not saying and doing things more during the trump presidency, but it's more than overdue to do that right now. >> and mary, how does that start? i mean, where does that happen? >> well, i want to go back to your question before the break about, you know, do republicans care about political violence, and i would submit that there are many who do. as a matter of fact, many of the victims of threats and violence have been republicans, republican election officials, republican elected officials, and unfortunately, these people i think right now are feeling somewhat powerless because those in the party who are sucking all the air out of the room, getting all of the attention are using and capitalizing on political violence for their own political gain and political purposes because they think it plays well with the base. and so i actually, because i have been out, you know, doing meetings with regional officials at every level, republicans and democrats, they are coming and sitting down in closed door sessions with democrats to talk about combatting political violence, but their voice is being drowned out by the voices of others who are louder or as you say are complicit in their silence. >> it's such a good point. gabe sterling, republican deputy to brad raffensperger, i think, first put the threat climate after the election, and before january 6th on the national radar. and inserted it into the national conversation when he stood up in atlanta, georgia , and said, quote, someone's going to get shot. mary mccord, eddie glaude, pete strzok, thank you so much for the conversation. president joe biden has landed in hawaii to meet with officials families whose lives have been forever changed by the catastrophic wildfires there earlier this month. we'll have the latest after a very short break. don't go anywhere. nywhere. power e*trade's award-winning trading app makes trading easier. with its customizable options chain, easy-to-use tools and paper trading to help sharpen your skills, you can stay on top of the market from wherever you are. e*trade from morgan stanley. power e*trade's easy-to-use tools make complex trading less complicated. custom scans help you find new trading opportunities, while an earnings tool helps you plan your trades and stay on top of the market. e*trade from morgan stanley. why didn't we do this last year? 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