do we have any idea what they might be doing? >> well, logic tells us if they're working on behalf of their biggest and most important client, donald trump, they were on the same floor as the d.a.'s office, likely working out the details of what we have seen already from some of these other defendants, bond consent agreements, which is essentially getting the process of, you know, fulton county, it's not an arraignment, but post booking release details worked out. in the case of the other folks whose consent agreements have been posted, it's something like a monetary bond, an agreement not to break the law elsewhere or to talk to or try to intimidate witnesses. the same kinds of things we saw in the special counsel case in washington and in florida. likely with donald trump, as we have seen in all of these other cases, there are other elements to this. there are secret service elements, protections, how he goes to the courthouse or county jail in fulton county. all of these need to be worked out in advance with a defendant like donald trump. we don't know the particulars of their conversation. i can assure you they were not at the d.a.'s office for the cafeteria food, which is good, but not why you come to visit. >> i'm glad you know why it's good or bad. let's talk about john eastman, working out the terms of his bond, what did he agree to, and does it mean he has already turned himself in, could we still see him walking into the courthouse at some point? >> reporter: every indication is that we may yet see john eastman come to the courthouse. there's nothing in the bond order that says specifically he is through to be booked. in fulton county, unlike the other cases we have been watching so closely, it's not a straight shot where you're booked at one location, arraigned, and then out in the same day. here that process is split between the booking and the arraignment. the consent bond order is basically something that now has been posted publicly, approved by the judge and both parties. in eastman's case, again, it's a financial bond of about $100,000. there's several ways he can pay that, and it's several agreements, including not to talk about the case with the defendant unless in the presence of counsel, not to discuss with witnesses and not to attempt to intimidate witnesses. i doubt there's much john eastman could do to intimidate a witness in this case. the consent bond orders are instructive. i think it's fair to assume that donald trump's will look similar in some areas, especially on those questions of how he conducts himself with other witnesses, or excuse me, with other defendants, and how he handles the possibility of intimidating or influencing witnesses. something we know he tried to do in this case on the day the grand jury voted when he posted about georgia's lieutenant governor, telling him not to go testify. >> let's bring in blayne alexander, our correspondent from the courthouse for us. blayne, it's good to have you. do we have any idea when everybody is going to show up? usually by this time, at least with the president, we have an idea, former president on when he'll be there, do we know about him. and 18 other codefendants, we got news about the bond agreement, with john eastman, do we have any idea when any of them are going to show up at rice street? >> and i would suspect, katy, that that bond agreement, kind of gives us in we're reading the tea leaves, which we are, it signed of says it is likely imminent that he will come. the hard part has been worked out, the agreements by which the bond will be serviced, so the fact that that has been ironed out, likely shortens the amount of time he's going to be in the building itself. as for a direct time, we don't know when people are going to show up. we know the jail is open 24 hours, seven days a week, and we know the deadline is noon on friday. what we know also is that conversations are happening, just as much as we're watching the activity over at the fulton county jail, we're certainly watching it here at the fulton county courthouse. we have seen attorneys recently in the last hour for the former president's legal team going inside. we had our representative, charlie guile, by producer was in the waiting room, and watched them be walked into the d.a.'s office. we know those discussions are happening right now, and certainly answering a number of questions that we have really been having throughout the week since the indictment was handed up in terms of what the surrender will look like. mug shots, finger prints, all of those things are likely being discussed in the courthouse behind me. >> could it be somebody shows up in the middle of the night in order to avoid cameras? >> absolutely, i would say it's likely someone will show up in the middle of the night to avoid cameras. there are two entrances, if somebody chose, they could march in the front door, and that's pretty, you know, easy to see. and then the second is the back, a sally port, that's typically how inmates are transported to the fulton county jail. you see it on the screen. that's a much more secure entrance. if somebody were to choose the entrance, they would be away from camera view, a car going inside or a number of cars, a motorcade, at least going by that entrance, but you wouldn't see a person walk in. you wouldn't see them exit the area. that's the more discreet way if somebody wanted to stay away from camera view. the sheriff's office made it a point to put this their statement that when they expected people to show up at the fulton county jail, defendants can choose to turn themselves in at any time, kate y. >> blayne alexander, thank you, garrett haake, thank you. and joining me now is msnbc legal analyst, barbara mcquade. we have a little bit of other news to get to. one of the pieces of news surrounds mark meadows, again trying to get the case dismissed. can you explain his argument and whether you believe it will hold? >> so immunity applies to federal officials who are engaging in their official duties and are either sued civilly or charged criminally, that it shouldn't be a crime to just do your job. but the courts have held that that extends only to the outside perimeter of your official duties, and so i think here this argument is likely to have failed because in its worst scenario, mark meadows is attempting to overthrow the election. even in the best scenario, he will say, i was in georgia, i was just trying to figure out what was going on with the election. i was just asking some questions. to the extent he is there representing donald trump for political matters, as a candidate, that certainly doesn't cover his duties as president. moreover, the election of a president is a state government function. it is not a function of the president of the united states, and so for that reason, i think even looking at this in the light most favorable to mark meadows, it's likely to fail. >> someone else trying to get out of this and arguing they didn't do anything wrong is kenneth chesebro, we have now confirmed a series of three memos that he wrote to the former president, at the time president, about how to select alternate electors as the indictment puts it, fraudulent electors. on the advice of counsel is something that might be used. i mean, he's arguing that he was working as a lawyer. he was putting toward options. what does it mean to have these memos. if you are d.a. fani willis. >> i think what's really important is none of this evidence will be looked at in isolation, to the extent he simply is advancing creative legal theories, that is not a crime, but those memos also say things like, we just want to buy more time to delay and get these state legislatures to offer their own slates of electors. to the extent this is seen as disrupting and crossing legal lines, that will be problematic. these will be jury decisions in the end and it's going to look at the whole body of evidence, all of the things that trump associated said and did, not looking at any one of them in isolation. we know based on reporting that he was physically present on january 6th. what's he doing there? we have to look at the totality of the circumstances to decide whether he committed crimes. >> joining me now is georgia public broadcasting political report e steven fowler, one of the curious parts of this is that georgia is now a purple state, i guess you could label it, considering the last three elections and all national elections have voted in democrats. what does this indictment do to georgia voters? does it sway things in one direction or the other? >> well, i think if you look, katy, at the 2022 midterm elections, you could make the argument that georgia voters have moved past trump in the 2022 primary election, you saw trump back a number of primary candidates, and those challengers were crushed in the primary, and people like kemp and raffensperger won relative blowout margins for a purple sate in the general election, and so by having these indictments in the forefront, even if the trial doesn't take place before 2024, it reminds georgians of the efforts trump took to overturn his defeat in 2020, and those voters that might be the swingy elastic voters that vote for democrats and republicans, might already be too far gone to the democratic side if trump's the nominee again. >> so you were at a gathering called the gathering, the eric erickson gathering of republican candidates. donald trump was not there, and donald trump was not on the lips of anybody that showed up, any of the presidential candidates, except for one, chris christie, what was the reception they got, and what do you make of them not touching donald trump or the indictment while they were there, especially in a state like georgia where the governor said flat out, the election wasn't stolen and donald trump was wrong for labeling it so. >> for 48 hours there was an alternate reality in a hotel ballroom where donald trump wasn't running for president and wasn't the run away primary favorite, and so there were a great deal of substantiative policy conversations that the candidates had with the host about everything from foreign policy in china to dealing with the border so education, but ultimately, none of that will likely matter. i mean, they are preparing for the debate wednesday night in milwaukee. this was a good test of the stump speeches and who might attack who and who voters are resonating with. at the end of the day, in georgia, a majority of the primary voters polled are saying they're going to support donald trump. in some ways, this is like a thought experiment for a political velocity class more than actual competitive republicans primaries. >> stephen, thank you very much, georgia public broadcasting, we appreciate your time. up next, brand new polling, why the national numbers don't tell the whole story, and what that means for everyone not named donald trump. this time we're talking about iowa. plus, a hurricane and an earthquake at the same time, what hilary is doing to hurt california but also help washington state. we're back in 60 seconds. we're back in 60 seconds my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. age is just a number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv here is a helpful reminder, a lot can change between now and november of 2024, the gop race for the white house looks like it's over, if you take top line numbers that show donald trump far out in front of the other contenders. when you take a closer look at some of the state-by-state polls, it can look a lot different. take the latest results out of iowa, for example, along with this morning, from long time iowa pollster, quote, we have had candidates who started low and ended up winning. anyone can come to iowa and win, anybody. maybe that's tim scott or nikki haley or maybe it's ron desantis. yes, his campaign has been looking feeble lately, with unforced errors like a super pac releasing an awkward debate advice memo, and lackluster interest. it is still august, the first debate is wednesday of this week. could ron desantis turn things around or will someone else, like vivek ramaswamy or chris christie get a boost. what we know is that there will be a void to be filled. donald trump is not going to be there. instead, he's opting for a sit-down with tucker carlson on the app formerly known as twitter. that interview has already been taped. will it outdraw the debate? donald trump has done this before, after all, skipping a fox news debate ahead of the iowa caucus in january of 2016. he did not win iowa in 2016. but you can't argue that absence ultimately hurt him. after all, he won the general election. will that be true again? we've got reporting on the decision making from inside the trump campaign and the contingencies from fox news. joining us now is nbc news national political correspondent steve kornacki. nbc news correspondent, vaughn hillyard is going to join us in just a moment from des moines, and "new york times" reporter and msnbc contributor, jeremy peters. steve, i want to get the numbers first. bring me nationally with our nbc news poll, the brand new one, and also bring me into iowa with the des moines register numbers. >> we've got our very first nbc news "des moines register" poll of the iowa caucuses. it's conducted by anne, one of the highly considered polls. they have been considered the gold standard. we have been kind of starved of quality iowa polling for a while. here is a very high quality, brand new iowa poll we just released today. the bottom line, here is voters' first choice, republican voters first choice in the caucuses, and you do see a wide lead for the former president. donald trump leading his nearest competitor, ron desantis, by a better than two to one margin, 42-19%. nobody else in double digits, you see tim scott there at 9%, everybody else, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1%. trump with a very large lead in this first iowa poll. we've seen a couple other historically, if you were to go back to the '80s or so. we have seen a couple other republican candidates with leads at least this big, at this point, ahead of the iowa caucuses. in one case, bob dole in the 1946 caucus, we've already seen these things can get volatile. the question is will this become more volatile than the numbers show. one thing that's powering trump in iowa, and i think is very note worthy is this. evangelical voters in particular. now, in 2016, evangelicals made up almost 2/3, two out of every three voters in the iowa caucuses, and the iowa republican caucuses. this is a huge constituency in iowa, and in 2016, when trump lost iowa, he lost evangelicals by double digits to ted cruz. now totally different atmosphere. trump with nearly 50%, 47% among evangelicals, desantis all the way back at 20. this was a weak group for trump in 2016. now it is one of the biggest sources of strength for him in iowa. now, if trump is going to be caught in iowa, if one of these candidates is going to make it a real race with trump in iowa, i have looked to this screen for some clues. this is favorable, unfavorable numbers, basically, you know, how popular or unpopular each candidate is, and two things jump out at this. first of all, who are the least popular candidates, the ones who have an unfavorable, higher than favorable, it's will hurd, asa hutchinson, chris christie, it's mike pence. what do they all have in common? they have offered the most direct head on attacks against donald trump. christie, for instance, has made that the center piece of his campaign, just shredding donald trump. in each case, that seemed to have made them very unpopular with republican voters and may be imposing serious ceilings in terms of their ability to attract support. note worry about, look at the top end, the most popular republican in iowa, according to our poll, it's not trump. it's actually a point higher is ron desantis. desantis is down 23 points. he's very popular with iowa republicans. tim scott, 9% overall support, but look at this, 59% favorable, 17% up favorable. even nikki haley, about a 2-1 ratio there, favorable to unfavorable. it tells you that potentially if you're one of these candidates, if you're desantis, scott and haley, you've got broad goodwill among iowans. you've got maybe the potential to grow support in iowa. and maybe wednesday without trump there on the stage calling them names, mixing it up, maybe there's an opportunity to begin converting the popularity into support. it's an open question whether they can do it. they at least may have the seeds of something there, and one thing that's interesting to disclose on this, we also ask folks in iowa, who's your second choice? we showed you the first choice, who's your second choice, and again, we see, it's just a scattering. there's no consensus, clear second choice among voters. desantis is the top second choice, that's only with 20%. scott getting 15%. i think the reality is any of these non-trump candidates, if they're going to make a run at him in iowa, they've got to consolidate the non-trump vote. if you're a desantis, you got to find a way to basically bring in the scott, the haley vote. if you're scott, you got to bring in desantis. they got to find a way, those candidates, a competition among themselves to emerge as the primary alternative to trump. again, open question if one of them can do it. if somebody's going to make a run at trump and that big number he's got there, it probably involves getting this down to what would functionally be a two-way race heading into the caucuses. >> such a big echo of 2015, 2016, when it was such a broad race. there were too many candidates, and there was just nobody that could compete with donald trump because the rest of the field was so divided. the support was so divided among them. jeremy, let's talk about the debate because, again, donald trump has done this before. in iowa, skipping that fox news debate in january, instead holding a rally where he raised money for veterans, it hurt him in iowa. was there any worry that not being on the stage for the very first debate this time around might leave a vacuum that could hurt him? >> of course and the former president himself has wondered privately whether or not it might in some way hold him back or allow rivals like chris christie to start gaining ground. i think if i had to guess what's going to happen is there will be, as there always is, in these debates, a breakout star. that person, whoever it is, will begin to climb in the polls. trump will see that. trump will get anxious about that. and he won't be able to skip, if not the next debate, then certainly the third debate. he's not going -- he's incapable, i think, in his constitution of allowing other candidates to grab the limelight. i wouldn't set sights so high for this pre-taped interview with tucker carlson. tucker carlson's stuff online has not done especially well. this was a canned interview. it's not live. i think when people hear that, it makes it less interesting, less compelling, less of a must watch. so i think the real moment to be watching for on wednesday is who is able to emerge as the person whom trump is going to be worried about because they had a good night? >> and what's the fox contingency plan? i mean, i guess they're still planning just in case he changes his mind again to show up. >> well, he doesn't have that luxury like he did in iowa in 2016 because of the rnc rules require you, as a participating debate, someone participating in the debate to have agreed 48 hours beforehand to sign a series of agreements with the rnc. trump has not done that. he can't just waltz into the studio on wednesday and say put me on the stage. he's, you know, he's not only skipped that iowa debate, which of course was really memorable, and i think you're right, ultimately cost him a bit in iowa, he skipped a debate in the general election in 2020 with joe biden. i don't know what would have happened had he decided to participate in that, but i think, you know, you hit on this, katy, you can make an argument that without him on the stage, without him, you know, commanding, you know, the attention and the camera, like he often does, it allows his rivals to improve. >> yeah, i mean, and we had steven from georgia public broadcasting on a moment ago, saying that it was interesting going to the gathering in georgia last week because it was a world where donald trump didn't exist, and it was a world where the other candidates got to talk about policy and their ideas. is that what we're going to see on the debate stage, and will we see the conversation dominated around what the candidates think of donald trump and the indictments. let me go to vaughn hillyard who's in des moines for us. thanks for getting to a camera. we appreciate it. talk to us about what you're hearing on the ground from voters there? i know we just got all of that polling from steve kornacki about donald trump's popularity but also the secondary polling talking about the favorability of other candidates. when you talk to people about their concerns on electability, do they see donald trump as electable, and a question that's top of mind for how they might, i don't want to say cast their ballot, because we caucus in iowa, but how we choose in iowa. >> a high school gym and church are going to show up and have to go in front of neighbors and family members and fellow church goers and going to have to publicly say who they're supporting. your question is perfect. we sat down with four folks who participated, picked up the phones and actually took part in the new nbc poll, and they were divided. two of the folks who are supporting donald trump, fervently believe he is the best positioned to win in the general election and is the most electable because they know fellow trump supporters that are engaged because of donald trump, but then the other two folks who i talked to, dennis and jodi, made it very clear to me that they will not vote for donald trump if he is the nominee in 2024, but they would vote for anybody else. take a listen to part of the convo. >> there are a lot of people like me that have been lifelong republicans that will not vote for donald trump if he is the candidate, and i voted democrat last year, even though i did not want to. i felt like it was the only choice i had, and so i'll vote for any republican that gets on the ticket other than donald trump. >> ron desantis? 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>> reporter: conditions have improved in san diego after a day of rain. it was the wettest day of the summer here of course with tropical storm coming in from northern mexico. a lot of the videos that we have seen with the flooding, that happened in the mountain areas just east of san diego and then moving north into palm springs, into the san bernardino riverside county. officials knew coming into the storm, which areas were vulnerable to the flooding. so they did get ahead of time, and they closed out a lot of these roads that were flooded, both here in san diego, and l.a., and they were able to avoid tragedies, we did have a large boulder come down on one of the main highways. trees fell on structures as well. we had a lot of branches and debris on some of the roadways. residents were asked to stay inside their homes during the storm. most did. we did also have some power outages that were reported in the san diego area. the power company indicating that thousands may have been affected but today, as you can see behind me, things are clearing up. the rain has stopped, and the warning as of now is for areas that still have some of that flooding. the storm came through the mountain area, and if you look at the california geography, the water then calms down and goes to the east and to the desert areas, where they had some flooding, where it's completely flat, and it also makes its way west into the rivers. we have one here in staying where it's flooded. we saw some rescues take place there. there are some river areas where they had to make rescues. these are areas that fortunately had been identified by officials as the danger zones where people knew the flooding would happen. fortunately as of now, they have not reported any casualties, only these rescues and those damages to the roads and to the mountain areas, and the trees that as i mentioned fell on some of the structures, so overall, the response was effective. the counties both in los angeles and san diego declared local emergencies. the state also had people ready, prepared to collaborate, and these rescue teams that were on stand by came in to respond to these emergencies, and one good piece of news, katy, we had a wildfire in san diego the day before the storm came in that firefighters were fighting. that's how crazy it is to have a tropical storm when they're fighting wildfires, the storm helped, and now it's been announced that that fire has been contained, thanks to the water that came down with the storm. >> that's good news, guad venegas, thank you very much. also happening right now, there are wildfires forcing thousands of people in washington state to evacuate their homes and businesses. as guad said, the tropical moisture can help fire crews. nbc news correspondent jesse kirsch is there. >> reporter: as the summer of wild weather and vicious wildfires continues, blazes raging overnight in the northwest. the oregon road fire turning structures into rubble. so far fires causing more than 2,500 acres to burn in spokane county alone. the gray fire burning more than 10,000 acres. >> we saw a big plume in the air, and we thought that looks a little closed. >> reporter: forcing evacuation orders for thousands. mary cox and her daughter lisa were told to get out. >> if our home was there, fine, if it's not, well, we'll just take it as it comes. >> reporter: while the city of medical lake ravaged. >> i can't imagine what medical lake is going through. there's going to be a lot of displaced people. >> reporter: also burning, the far smaller winona fire, fueled by excessive heat and high winds. governor jay inslee touring an evacuation shelter sunday. >> we've got to understand we're up against a monster here that we have never felt before. that's climate change. >> reporter: some families holding on to memories after leaving so much else behind. people like melissa thurman who says her home burned down. >> when you lay eyes on that, what goes through your mind? 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(vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. . back to that breaking news out of fulton county. former president trump's bond has just been set. it's at $200,000. joining me is justin reporter ryan reilly, katie fang, who is outside the fulton county courthouse and back with us former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade. katie, $200,000. what else is donald trump not allowed to do under the terms of this bond agreement? >> yes, we're pending confirmation of the latest bond condition, if they're similar, you're not allowed to interfere with any of the witnesses in this case, you're not allowed to violate any state or federal laws, you are required to appear when you are ordered to appear for the proceedings that are going to be going on in this case. as you are aware, katy, all the 19 defendants have been charged with one count of rico. donald trump's bond on that one charge is $80,000, for eastman, $20,000. and they have obviously been negotiating the terms of his bond. what it means to us with that increased amount for donald trump on that count one rico count is obviously the d.a.'s office told his lawyers he's going to have to post a higher bond than the other defendants and we've seen that in terms of the numbers. >> donald trump cannot communicate directly or indirectly about the facts of the case except through his lawyer. what does that mean about what donald trump posts on social media? >> this is exactly the kind of thing he enjoys do, posting things about the case and specifically about witnesses. i think this bond would prohibit him i saying the kind of things leading up to the case about lieutenant governor duncan and his testimony. the judge will be in a difficult spot here about what to do if he should violate the terms. the bond could be revoked. if someone is running for president, i imagine the judge would be reluctant to pull the trigger. >> all of donald trump's case judges have been put in this position. i wonder when one of them is going to move. the only judge donald trump has not gone after is judge alleyne cannon. and they cited a mountain of evidence, a million plus pages of evidence, they said you'd have to read tolstoy's "war and peace" seven times a day in order to go through it. jack smith's team is saying that's not exactly an accurate way to describe what he's handed over. explain. >> that's right. you want to pull him into the 21st century and say control find. you can use that to find the key material. that's what donald trump's team has done before is compare this to the height of the washington monument. all of this is delivered in a database that's searchable. and a lot of the evidence was already in donald trump's possession or came from his company already. this is not just brand new evidence he's just learning about for the first timing. it's the stuff that's been in his possession he's been aware of previously. they're saying this isn't how legal discovery works these days. you're not having a lawyer manually sit there and flip through page after page. so this hearing is coming up on monday. i think it's a really critical hearing because this is the simplest fast track case that you're going to be able to schedule potentially in front of the election. you don't have all of the defendants that you do in fulton county so when the judge has donald trump's lawyer in the special counsel before her on monday and sets that trial date, that's something that you might not see a lot of movement in or potentially have a lot of legal room for in the future and it's going to be on that track potentially when the special counsel would like it to be is early january 2024 but donald trump's team really went forward and said, hey, not until april 26. we'll see you next week on monday. >> monday, good reminder. they also argue that they can't just rely on control find. they've got to go through all the evidence in order to build a defense. i think just looking at the face of it, wouldn't you want your lawyer going through everything to build a defense? do they have an argument about the amount of evidence that is there to potentially push this back, maybe not till april 26th but a little bit later next year? >> yes and no. certainly a defense attorney is going to want to look through all this material to see if there's not only evidence in the case against donald trump but anything that might be used for exoneration. they're definitely going to want to look through all of the stuff. i do agree comparing it to war and peace does overstate the volume here. a lot of it is records. they will want to read with a fine tooth comb the statements of witnesses and grand jury testimony transcripts, no doubt. so much of it is the dump that you get from the phone search collection. there's a lot of junk on there. getting somebody's emails. a lot of them say "donuts ins break room." that's where they'll use these computer-assisted searches to find the material that matters. there's a lot of duplication. think about the emails you send and you send it to ten people, that can duplicate in a hurry. >> there's also the news that mark meadows says he doesn't recall any time when donald trump blanket declassified any materials. and one last question, this is what we learned from ken dilanian, donald trump is the only one that includes this specific language, so far that we've seen in terms of the bond agreements regarding the georgia case. the defendant shall perform no act of any person known to him or her to be a co-defendant or witness in this case or in any way obstruct justice and this shall include and it goes on, making direct threats, indirect threats, witness intimidation, et cetera, et cetera. interesting that donald trump is so far the only one. >> reporter: yeah, katy, that's because that was a negotiated term between the fulton county d.a.'s office and counsel for donald trump. you'll also note that the judge in this case signed off. he approved the terms this much consent order. so that's a really important distinction that ken has brought to our attention. it is clearly something that the fulton county d.a. as been worried about and included in her indictment. >> everybody, thank you very much for getting in front of a camera for quickly for us. that's going to do it for me. i'm sure nicolle wallace will have a whole lot more on "deadline white house," which starts right now. hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york on a big news day, attempting to subvert the peaceful transfer of power apparently was not enough for ex-chief of staff mark meadows to break with his boss donald trump, neither will wild conspiracy theories but now according to brand new blockbuster reporting from abc news, some cracks are

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