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But first, we begin this hour with the very latest update on hurricane hillary. National Weather Service forecasters have died rated hillary to a category two hurricane. Theyve estimated sustained winds at a maximum of 110 miles per hour. Just moments ago, California Governor Gavin Newsom declared a state of emergency, had expected landfall tomorrow afternoon. The california Emergency Management officials warning that there will be Power Outages across Southern California as a result of the storm. According to nbc news is weather unit, up to ten inches of rain in just one day is expected in the santa rosa mountains. That is east of san diego, and mud and rock slides are also expected. Were going to follow this story, bringing you more updates on the trajectory of the storm as we get into our newsroom throughout the evening. Shifting gears, we want to talk about some Breaking News out of the state of georgia. Ex Trump White HouseChief Of Staff mark meadows, of course, you may recall, he is one of trumps 18 codependent in the Georgia Election interference case. Hes just filed a motion to dismiss the charges against him, citing president ial immunity. The filing reads, quote, as a federal official at the time of the charged conduct, he is immune from State Prosecution under the Supremacy Clause of the federal constitution. The filing reads, meadows also argues that the charges should be dismissed based on the first and 14th Amendments. Were going to get reaction on that in just a moment, what that means for the case, perhaps others. But we do want to take a step back for a moment and look at the dangerous game donald trump and his allies are playing here. They are launching relentless hateful attacks on the men and women investigating him, and the judges adjudicating his cases. Of course, he is called the special counsel jack smith deranged, and a trump hater. He has smeared Fulton CountyDistrict Attorney fani willis as corrupt, incompetent, and bizarrely racist. He has posted a barrage of attacks against the newest target, his newest target i should note, judge tanya chutkan, assailing her as highly partisan. Very biased and unfair, and baselessly asserting she obviously wants me behind bars. As the New York Times notes, lawyers have said that if the former president were an ordinary citizen, issuing these attacks, he would be in jail by now. We cannot draw a direct line between trumps words on the reactions of others, i want you to consider this for a moment. A texas woman was arrested, she has been charged this week with threatening to kill judge chutkan. In addition to referring to judge chutkan as a quote, slave, this woman in a Phone Message left at the Federal Courthouse in washington, said, quote, you are in our sights. We want to kill you. If trump doesnt get elected in 2024, we are coming to kill you. So tread lightly. Awful. Chilling. Disgusting remarks. It comes just a week after the fbi shot and killed a man in utica, who allegedly made online threats to kill President Biden in manhattan d. A. Alvin bragg, while serving a warrant on his home. And this trend is not limited to public officials. This week, nbc news reports that a fringe website featured the purported names and addresses of the Fulton County grand jury, that just indicted trump and 18 others for their efforts to overturn the election. The Fulton CountySheriffs Office says that its aware that this information is being shared online, and quote, our investigators are working closely with locals and federal Law Enforcement agencies to track down the origin of the threats. Now, the atlanta Fbi Field Office says that it is working with the Sheriffs Office. Again, we could not directly linked donald trump to these actions, but lets be very clear here. Not just rhetoric. These words have consequences. One of the other consequences might actually come in the form of accountability. Donald trump being published for his attacks. As writes in the Washington Post, donald trump seems intent on testing the rules that apply to tampering with witnesses and intimidate judges. Despite being warned about such things, he has shown no signs of falling down. Effectively daring the legal system to do something about it. And in early august, in Federal Court in washington d. C. , Magistrate Judge told trump that his most important condition of release was not committing a state federal or local crime while on release. Now, if trump were to do so, she warned a warrant could be issued for his arrest, and he could be detained pending that trial. On monday, trump posted something to social media that certainly could be interpreted as violating that most important condition of release, because just a few hours before the Georgia Grand Jury voted to indict him, the now defended posted, i am reading the report that the failed former Lieutenant Governor jeff duncan will be testifying before the Fulton County grand jury. He shouldnt. And as a glenn kirschner, a colleague and friend of the show writes for msnbc. Com, here we have trump publicly telling a witness who he knew was scheduled to testify before a grand jury investigating his alleged crimes, that the witness should not testify. Cutting right to the chase, this is trump taking a page out of the Witness Tampering for dummies playbook. Georgia state law criminalizes attempts to influence witnesses, specifically georgia code 16 ten 93, makes it unlawful to knowingly use intimidation or threats to persuade or attempt to persuade another to influence delay or prevent the persons testimony in an official proceeding. So now, trump adds to an already distinguished criminal resume, by allegedly attempting to influence a witness in apparent violation of both state and the conditions of his pre trial release. As Grand Christian writes, this is only the beginning of a convoluted and lengthy process of justice for donald trump. Those involved have a responsibility to apply the law equally, without fear or favor, otherwise his brazen floating of conventions, not to mention laws, may only get worse. Joining me now are erin hayes, a Founding Member and editor at large at the 19th, in a bow, or a law correspondent, and Chief Executive Officer at the new georgia project. Its great to have all three with you, thank you for making time for us. Anna, i want to get your thoughts on this Breaking News that we just had into our newsroom. Mark meadows moving to dismiss the charges against him entirely. Not just to have the moved to Federal Court, but now hes saying he shouldnt even be charged for anything he did, because of the Supremacy Clause of the constitution. Right. So meadows is arguing that under Supremacy Clause, immunity, because he was fulfilling his federal duties as the former Chief Of Staff during the time of the alleged conduct, he therefore cannot be held accountable under a State Prosecution. Whether or not that is successful, i think is something thats being debated right now by lots of folks that im speaking to. There are many different opinions on this, some say he had no chance at success on this, and others saying it is not so clear. What i will say is out of all these defendants, meadows likely has the strongest claim to supplement the clause immunity, because the acts that are articulated in the indictment involve things that, if construed one way, a Chief Of Staff usually would do. Things like setting up a phone calls or kind of taking directions from the president. So, while meadows will try to focus on really narrowly focusing on that kind of conduct, i think we will see a motion or filing from fani williss office that shows how this was all part of the conspiracy thats alleged in the indictment, that is alleged to seek to overturn the results of the election. So, i think that its a little bit tough to tell right now how much this will succeed. But, to be determined. So, tough to tell how quickly it will succeed. But, do we know how it plays out in terms of timeline . I mean, we just got this motion of being filed tonight. I believe weve learned about it tonight. Do you have any sense, anna, how it plays out over the next couple of days, when might the judge Schedule A Hearing about that or when is fani willis expected to respond to it . Right. So thats one of the unusual things about this filing, coming now. Because mark meadows is seeking to move his state Court Criminal prosecution to Federal Court, and that motion is still pending before the federal judge, judge steve jones. That has not been decided yet, and in the usual process of things, you would first file a motion to remove, have that decided, and then filed this motion to dismiss. However, meadows seems intent on speeding up the process, he makes the claim that as a part of removal analysis, the judge also has to decide whether or not he could potentially have these charges dismissed under the immunity claims that he has raised. And so therefore, he wants the judge to decide these things together. Hes requested a hearing and has a hearing on the Removal Matter Set for august 28th, so its to be seen whether the judge will set a Scheduling Order for the motion to dismiss as well, we dont know a whole lot at this point how the timing will end up working, and how those things will coincide. All right, well certainly keep an eye on that and see if theres any developments on it. Erin, let me get your thoughts on what i started out this segment with. The premise of words having consequences, because as we have seen, the threats in recent weeks against alvin bragg, now judge chutkan, they have real life consequences for the people on the Receiving End of those threats. Talk about this pattern that is emerging here, and what this means for us as a country and a nation that our Law Enforcement officials and members of our court, and people who investigate those in power, are receiving these types of Death Threats. Yeah, well first of all, ayman, its good to be with you and on a panel of current and former georgians, but look. You are so right to be praising exactly the issues that you are raising, because this case is not just about former President Trumps deal for innocence. One of the issues at the center of all these cases, is what kershner raised in his piece, whether there really is equal justice under the law. We had District Attorney fani willis and others saying, despite being a former president , trump is not Above The Law and that he shouldnt receive special treatment. And this is why you have people raising the question of whether his behavior would be permissible if you were any other defendant. As president , we saw trump constantly floating norms, but this isnt about norms. We cant move into this legal arena, and trump may find that these judges are not as productiveing as a court of public opinion. And if i could just make one more point, because you brought it up. These latest developments to highlight the on light and the question of trumps culpability in either provoking or promoting or condoning that type of violence, whether implicitly or explicitly. I mean, not only is he continuing to rile up his supporters by falsely claiming that the 2020 election was stolen, hes inviting them along in his legal war. And so is not just going to be about rhetoric . Or is that going to go further . And really, can we afford to find out . To your point, he basically docked former president obama by putting his address and lo and behold a couple of weeks later a man shows up outside his house with guns and ammunition, and the Secret Service had to be involved. So the dangerous thing here is, yes, its dangerous for the officers of our judicial system, but then you also have the private information of a grand jurors that is being shared online, that is being weaponized by Trump Supporters. And ive got to say, this is tragically par for the course. In georgia, if youre trying to do your civic duty. , yeah, it is. Thanks for having me on this evening. You guys are going to ruby freeman and shaye moss. These are Public Servants you try to do the jobs. And we have someone, a perch in the bully pulpit of the presidency, take that bully to heart. And set there and cast aspersions on his when and they had nothing wrong. When in fact, he was the one with between the 20 election. We have him on tiptoeing. So and that is the problem he has right now. He cant wriggle out of this one. It is historical that a southern state, georgia, has stepped up behind d a fani willis who has simply gone where the facts have laid her. This is not partisan, this is not anyone attacking this man. This is him being held accountable. He was indicted by a jury of his peers, and that is what the court system is for. And i know we talked about, oh, is there a difference for president s . No there is not. Because what i know, and every black and brown person knows in this country, that if barack obama had been caught on tape called the secretary of state, asking him to look for votes to overturn a duly executed election, he would be indicted, he would have been indicted immediately. He would have been arrested. And so, i am just so proud to be in georgia right now. I am proud that d. A. Willis has said her ego aside. She is not concerned about the aspersions being cast. This man got on social media and said that she was sleeping with a gang member. There is no low. There is nothing too low for him. And so this is something that we georgians feel like is just a little bit of retribution and it is my sincere hope that ruby freeman and shaye moss, even though we cant rogue at the trauma that has befallen them, i hope they see now that at least someone is fighting on their behalf. I certainly hope the local fails on that and their privacy is respected. And, if donald trump were as pretty much any other person in america, not even president obama, for that matter, at what point would his efforts that were seeing right now to intimidate witnesses, to harass and threaten judges, to disparage District Attorneys result in him being put behind bars . This would not be a conversation were having if anyone else in this country was making those comments. Youre right, its not a conversation we would be having with any other criminal defendant. Its difficult to say where the line is for some of his touches. You know, theyre all going to have different considerations in mind. I think with judge chutkan, its likely will be the case that she will wait until the Department Of Justice makes a motion on the matter, instead of doing something on her own accord. However, she has said that this inflammatory rhetoric will potentially calculate into how fast the trial schedule goes, so that could be something that trump needs to be thinking about, its also the case that, you know, all these statements whether or not they open him up to additional criminal liability, they are things that could be included in a recent investigation report. And if he is convicted of federal crimes, then that could be something that the judge takes into consideration when imposing a sentence. So i certainly think that his legal team is probably advising him to temper his rhetoric and whether or not he will continue this pattern, i dont know. But it seems like if past is present for told, it seems like he will continue. So we will see where the line is in the future. And about, kendrick, and thank