The January 6th Insurrection. This is American Voices. We begin in the southwest, where people are frantically preparing for Hurricane Hilary. The latest update from the National Hurricane center hilary has been downgraded to a category two storm. It is making its way north alongside mack mexicos baja coastline. Heavy rain is expected to impact california in arizona starting sunday. The National Weather service is calling the storm rare and dangerous. And here is why. Parts of the California Desert are forecasted to get three years worth of rain in just 48 hours. Lets get an update from Priscilla Thompson in palm springs, california. Priscilla, how are people where you are preparing right now . Yeah, alicia menendez, folks here are frantically filling those sandbags, hoping to protect their homes and businesses as that rainfall is expected to move in here in the coming hours, really. And this operation has been going since about 6 am local time. Thats 9 am eastern time. And its expected to continue for about the next four hours. You can see there are folks of all ages out here trying to prepare, really taking this seriously and taking these precautions. And the mayor is actually also out here helping with this. And i spoke to her just a short while ago. And i was really her message to folks, that it was good to see that they are actually out here heating these precautions. We also went to the supermarkets earlier today, and we are seeing those shelves begin to empty, and people clearing out the water and bending those non perishable items, bracing for the possibility that they could lose electricity, that there may be flooded roads, and they may not be able to leave their homes for some time. And its interesting. Because we have spoken to some people here, and there are some folks who have lived in the northeast, have lived in places like florida, and understand what might be headed their way. But there are other folks who are saying, i am worried. They have lived in california all their lives. They have never seen anything like this. And so, they are trying to be as prepared as possible. And that is exactly what officials here have been saying all day, is that people we need to heed the warnings, make sure that they are prepared as they wait to see what exactly is going to happen here. Alicia . Him Priscilla Thompson, has always, thank you so much. Now, for a Collision Course of Donald Trumps own making, as his sprawling legal troubles disrupt the 2024 president ial race. Next week, trump must surrender at an atlanta jail. Also next week, the first republican debate, which trump now plans to skip in favor of a possible interview with fired fox news host tucker carlson. Heres what we know about the timing. Three senior Law Enforcement officials tell nbc news trump would turn himself in no earlier than thursday. That is the day after the first debate. Former new Jersey Governor Chris Christie wasted no time working to brand trump is a coward for snubbing the debate, and hes questioning why trump is still in the race. We the voters i want to voters to decide this. The only way the voters of our party and the voters of our country will accept results is if they believe that it is fair. And trump has made himself a candidate for president under the most ridiculous circumstances ive ever seen in my life. There is nothing more selfish than what he is doing. He has been charged with four different crimes. And yet, he still persists, insisting that he has to be the candidate for president. Meanwhile, the Biden Harris Campaign is expected to use the first debate to highlight the gops attacks on reproductive freedom and threats of democracy in the form of election denialism. According to a new campaign memo, four shared with nbc news, the campaign expects the candidates to try to outmaga each other on the debate stage in milwaukee. We cant ignore the biggest threat to american democracy, Donald Trumps hold on the gop. Despite facing 91 Felony Charges across four jurisdictions joining us now, msnbc contributor and former watergate prosecutor Jill Winebanks shes, the cohost of the Hashtag Sisters In Law Podcast and Washington Post opinion columnist Jennifer Reuben rubin. How is this process in georgia going to be different from what we have seen in Federal Court . Its going to be very different, because they have said that they are going to do mugshots and fingerprints, and he will be turning himself in at the Fulton County jail, not in a federal building, not in a clean, nice environment. It is what we hear from the press, a really dirty, dangerous, scary place. So, it is going to be a very different picture. And i think the picture of him there, i think his experience of being in a real jail i can tell you the sum of the watergate defendants jail out move them to a base without being in so that they could cooperate in georgia this weekend. It is a must win state for republicans if they want to take back the white house 2020. Georgia voters, they rejected trumpism by flipping the state blue, and fast forward to 2022, the senate runoffs, senator warnock defeated Herschel Walker by nearly 100,000 votes. Last night, historian jon meacham offered this warning to gop leaders. The only way to fix the Republican Party is to have it continue to lose. And that is really, really hard. But i genuinely believe that it will be the ballot that convinces republicans in the end that they have to do something about this flight from reason, and this flight toward a oneman our way or the highway ethos. I wonder if you agree with that, Jennifer Rubin, the idea that, really, they are going to have to be defeated at the ballot box to begin recalibrating and reconsidering what they have done here. I do. I think the denial is so great, the Self Delusion is so great, that even if he is indicted in all these places and even if he is convicted in some of these places republicans are going to insist that he is innocent, that this is all a plot, that he is a martyr, that he is being persecuted. And so he, in all likelihood, will it be the gop nominee, and once he is the nominee, there is very little that is going to dislodge him, even if he were to be convicted on the way there is nothing running from president from jail. So, ultimately, its the American People who are going to have to render their verdict. And i think, in that clip, john is right. Republicans are themselves incapable of making this pivot. But once they see that they have lost and they have lost badly, this would be a series of losses in 2018, 2020, 2022, 2024. At that point, they may, out of self preservation, decide to rejig or their party, and to rethink the entire cult of personality. But until that happens, i see very little sign that they are going to pivot back to reality. Jill, you have a new column for the detroit news, and you argue that each of trumps trial should be televised. And i wonder, as i listen to Jennifer Rubin talk about the way in which this has not broken through with republican leaders, and with republican voters, to the extent to which you believe that transparency might break through to them and, in a larger sense, help preserve democracy. I do think so. It is not guaranteed. Because we have seen they have already lost several elections because of him. And yet, they keep sticking with him. So, it is not clear that they have gotten the message yet. But i do think that there is enough republicans who will watch the trial and will be mesmerized by it and well see that, like richard nixon, he is a crook. And they will change their vote. So, i think it is one of the only hopes we have. And i hope the case is not removed to Federal Court from georgia. Because, we will at least have cameras in the georgia case. But i think it is possible that chief Justice Roberts and the judicial conference, or congress, could mandate having cameras in all of his trials. And i do think it is important to democracy is that we see it, and it increases our trust in the judicial institutions, in the Justice Department, in the special prosecutor. And so, it is very important. There are no good reasons against it. It does not lead to lawyers playing to the jury. It does not make the jurors afraid. Because, like in the George Floyd Murder trial, when he was killed by derek chauvin, the jury was never shown. And that is what we need to do again. Dont show the jury. Show only the witnesses who have all been seen publicly already. So, there is no additional threat to them from being seen again. Jennifer, thats one of the things we are going to be watching for this week. We are also going to be watching this republican debate, the Biden Harris Campaign predicting the first gop debate and we will show how the candidates are trying to, quote, out masha theyre. I dont know that there is any disagreement on that point. We know that they are going to be expressing, in general, their fealty to donald trump, with one or two exceptions. They will try to outmosh other, even on Policy Questions like america first. And so, i wonder, what it is then, what the surprise could be going into this debate . Well, i think the important thing is that for those people who do take a different tack Chris Christie is the one who most candidly has come out to Repudiate Trump and who has said that he did lose the 2020 election. Its important for him to make the case, directly to republican voters, and not only to attack trump, but to put the other republicans on the spot and say, how can you possibly vote for these guys, pointing to his right and left, if they wont even admit that trump lost the election . How can you trust people who will not tell the truth to you. And i think that could be a powerful message. We will have to see if asa hutchinson, former governor of arkansas, makes it onto the debate stage. But he has delivered similar messages that a requirement of being president is the ability to do tell the truth, to defend democracy. So, i dont know that they are going to make any headway visavis trump. But perhaps it will shake some of the republicans once they see that there is a capable person, a capable republican, of making the case that these people are unfit to serve. I dont know that there is going to be a breakthrough. But, it frankly may depress republicans and they decide not to go to the polls in november of 2024. That is another problem for republicans. Because there are those downticket republicans who will suffer as a result. They have shown absolutely no regard for the republicans who are downticket. Jill, constitutional scholars michael luttig, and Laurence Tribe are making the argument that trump is ineligible to become president again because of the 14th amendment, because it states anyone who gives aid and comfort to an insurrection cannot hold public office. Quote, the former president s efforts to overturn the 2020 president ial election, and the resulting attack on the capitol, place him squarely within the ambit of the disqualification clause. And he is therefore ineligible to serve as president ever again. The most pressing constitutional question facing our country at this moment, then, is whether we will be able to abide by this clear command of the 14th amendments disqualification clause. I wonder, jill, if you agree. How could you disagree with two eminent constitutional scholars like Laurence Tribe and judge luttig . I think that they have made a very persuasive case. They have laid it out very clearly, setting out why they think it is self executing. In the past, people have said, oh, you cant bar him unless he is convicted of a crime of insurrection. They make a very convincing case that, if you give aid to insurrectionists, which, clearly, anyone watching the news has seen, that that is enough to bar him, and that that is south executing. So, i hope it is not just because i like that conclusion. But they are very persuasive. I think they are two great scholars. And i have not heard any great scholars arguing against it. Jill, jennifer, you are both staying with us. Next, the timeline for accountability of aghast from trumps lawyers on starting his federal trial and d. C. And later, a torrent of threats for the judge in that case and the Fulton County grand jurors, and Ruth Benghiat historian says it is right out of the playbook. But first, to Richard Richard lui, on the stories we are watching this hour at msnbc. Richard lui . We alicia, good evening, the death toll from the Maui Wildfire is now at 114. It is now the deadliest wildfire in modern u. S. History. President biden and the first lady are expected to visit maui monday. More than 200 wildfires are burning across canada this hour, forcing tens of thousands of people from their homes in the northwest territories, authorities there evacuated most residents from the city of yellowknife. In british columbia, facials or declared a State Of Emergency as far as threaten the city of kelowna. 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And this, week we learned he was also at the with capitol the mob on january 6th. Similarly, wearing a red trump hat almost always near the entourage of infowars host alex post. The January 6th Committee actually asked Kenneth Chesebro about the riot and where he was. Chesebro the fifth. Fulton county georgia, related to trump charges to Jill Winebanks and Jennifer Rubin are back with us. Also joining us, Nbc National Security analyst clint watts. Hes a former fbi special agent. Jennifer, i wonder what it says, a lawyer with the ear of the former president was that clos