Despite all that outrageous behavior. Plus, looking ahead to next weeks republican primary debate in which trump now says he will not participate. Im not making Chicken Noises right now, but i really, really want to. And Morgan Freeman joined me, yes, i said Morgan Freeman. Joined little old moi to talk about his new documentary on The First Black Tank Battalion to fight in world war ii. That interview is straight ahead. But we begin the reidout tonight with the clearest picture yet of the expansive plot trump and his allies unleashed after he lost the 2020 election. The January 6th Committee and Special Counsel jack smith exposed the what as well as the who in the plot. But it was the georgia case led by Fulton County d. A. Fani willis that really shows us the full scope of characters in the trump gang. The indictment is full of bizarre cameos like Texas Attorney general ken paxton who is referenced on page 30, when prosecutors note how donald trump attempted to get the Georgia Attorney general on board with paxtons doomed lawsuit on behalf of texas to contest the Election Results in four other key states. Paxton is facing a lot of issues right now, namely impeachment, and hes only one, just one sliver of trumps latest ensemble cast. At the center of course is donald trump himself, and the officials tied to his efforts to subvert the 2020 election in georgia. Household names and some of his staunchest supporters mark meadows, the former white house chief of staff, along with Trump Attorneys John Eastman and rico pioneer, rudy giuliani, sorry, that jab will never get old. But as we walk you through this plot, we meet and remeet other characters, all of whom are facing damning charges, and who reflect the true scope of this alleged criminal enterprise. The first part of the scheme was the maneuvering to get dozens of fake electors on board across multiple states. Giuliani and eastman supported the fake elector scam. But theres a lesser known cast that pretty much invented the entire scheme. Kenneth chesebro, the architect of the scheme who allegedly devised the plan to admit fake slates of electors for trump to obstruct congresss certification of the Election Results. The protrump attorney and codefendant was also recently caught on camera, multiple times, among the crowd at the capitol on january 6th. Following around Big Lie Front Man alex jones. At no point does it appear he attempted to enter the capitol. Election worker intimidation is a key element of the conspiracy alleged in the georgia case. Which is where part two of the scheme comes in. Following the November 2020 vote, ruby freeman and her daughter shaye moss were falsely accused of rigging georgias election in favor of joe biden. The mother and daughter duo both Fulton County election workers, were targeted because trumps fraudsters needed a patsy for their fake elector plot. Now, just remember, these were not victimless crimes. Freeman and moss were viciously harassed. Their lives upended as trumps cronies tried to uhhuh has them into admitting something that wasnt true. Which brings us back to trumps ensemble character. Harrison floyd, the maryland based executive director of a group called black voices for trump, trev yawn cutty, a former publicist for now scandalized music stars r. Kelly and kanye west, as if this case wasnt weird enough, and we have steven lee, a lutheran pastor, i did say pastor, who is allegedly creepy guy history includes knocking on freemans door to, quote, get some truth on whats going on. All three according to the Charging Document pressured, threatened, and intimidated ms. Freeman, citing baseless claims she was involved in voter fraud. Then we have part three of the plot, prosecutors are now in possession of Text Messages and emails directly connecting members of trumps legal team to the early january 2021 Voting System breach and heavily republican Coffee County. A county trump won by nearly 70 of the vote. Those players include attorney sidney powell, misty hampton, a former Coffee County election supervisor, cathy lathem, a fake elector, and Bail Bondsman howell scott. And last but not least, we have the fake republican electors themselves, who claimed illegitimately that trump had carried the state. Not all of them are facing charges but two of the three charged are David Schaefer and shaun still, who know a thing or two about politics. Schaefer is the former chairman of the Georgia Republican party. And is still to this day a Georgia State senator. Another thing were learning about one of the main characters from our friends on the beat is that roger stone was already plotting right after the election. Any legislative body may decide on the basis of overwhelming evidence of fraud to send electors to the Electoral College who accurately reflect the president s legitimate victory in their state. Which was illegally denied him through fraud. Sounds awfully like the fake electors plot, right . He was calling for this on november 5th, 2020, days after the election, when people had voted but the race had not yet been called. Meaning roger stone was pushing his widespread fraud lie regardless of the results, which again, werent even in yet. And it would be still another month before Kenneth Chesebro would author the memo that outlined the actual fake elector scheme. Now that we have got two indictments that tell the story in slightly different ways, are the prosecutions even close to being over, given the plot to steal the 2020 election is much broader and more national than we ever thought. Im joined by andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel, former Senior Member of Robert MuellersSpecial Counsel, and an msnbc legal analyst. Boy, andrew, the plot keeps getting thicker and thicker with more and more characters. I want to focus on a couple. Lets start with roger stone. So roger stone, we know now from this exclusive piece of video gotten from a documentary that folks at the beat got, was talking through what sounded like the fake electors plot days after the election. But i want to play you what he was doing even before the election. This is on november 1st, 2020. Here he is, roger stone. I suspect it will be, i really do suspect it will still be up in the air. When that happens, the key thing to do is claim victory. Possession is nine tenths of the law, no, we won, [ bleep ] you. Youre wrong. Andrew, roger stones name does not appear in either of the two indictments which i have read and am enjoying reading them because its so fascinating. His name aint in either of them. Does that surprise you . Now it does. Given what the thing you just played and also the evidence that the beat uncovered. Obviously, im very aware of roger stone. He was somebody that we prosecuted in the mueller investigation. He was convicted as just to remind everyone, on all counts at a trial by a jury, 12 citizens found unanimously he was guilty of all charges, and donald trump commuted that sentence just days before, and bill barr just to be clear had a role in that, because bill barr wanted to also sort of essentially get rid of the sentence recommendation there and help Donald Trumps friends, of which this was one. What did roger stone do . According to what you just played, is while youre out on bail, awaiting sentencing, youre engaging in a coup. So you can understand why the Department Of Justice would feel like he has not been sufficiently held to account, because essentially donald trump erased his last finding of criminality. So i think hes one of the people who i think were going to see charges. I think thats true of cheese bro, going to be true at the federal level for a whole variety of people. I would be very surprised if we didnt see charges against ches bro, rudy giuliani, a number of people. I think the federal government probably wants to wait and see what the trial date is with respect to donald trump, keeping their eye on the prize, so to speak, where their main focus is and should be, but these other players, they like georgia are going to hold them to account. I want to talk about the trial date. Im going to put a pin in that. Im writing it down because i want to ask you more questions. But before i get to trial date ill be back. You never leze. Does anyone understand this is a Hostage Situation and this man never gets to go home . So lets talk about chesebro because this is actually new information too. So he is, and we didnt even really Pay Attention to him when we were talking through and all on the big set with Rachel Maddow and everybody, all talking through the first set of indictments. He was sort of, he seemed like a less big player, bullets now he seems like a big, big player. Hes writing the memos that are saying heres how we do the coup. But then he actually shows up at the capitol. I believe he pleaded the fifth and asked in one of the many proceedings, were you at the capitol, he said i plead the fifth. What do you make of the fact hes doing the intellectual plotting of the coup and then showing up at the coup . So, one, i do think doj is fully aware of this, because remember, they had the full scope of all of the memos that he had written. Remember, the January 6th Committee had some but not all. But we learned from the indictment that chesebro had written one more memo that was quite incriminating. And then the New York Times actually got their hands on it and published that. So i do think doj is very much on it. I think the fact that he actually showed up on january 6th makes his defense so much harder because its motjust an academic exercise. Its not just, oh, i had some good faith legal argument. Hes fully invested in seeing this happen. This is not normally what a lawyer might be like, oh, heres some argument, by the way, heres what i think the merits are or i think it may not fly. Thats sort of one thing. When youre actually there on the scene with who else but alex jones, i mean, crazy man. I mean, that is such a terrible thing. So i think if i were doj, if im looking at the list of people i want to charge and quickly, to put more pressure on them to cooperate, he would be one. Jeff clark would be another. These are people where charges could be so strong and a good lawyer for them, one thats not maga affiliated, might say to them, you know what, what side of this do you want to be on . And you really need to work something out. Now, given that he is charged in georgia, hes got separate legal potential liability as youre explaining now on the federal side. Hes got liability in the state of georgia. Could pleading out in georgia in any way help him in a federal case . Is he now in a position where he could actually hurt trump on the federal side and help himself in georgia . Yeah, so theres no way to cooperate in one without cooperating in the other. And theres no way to plead in one without really pleading in the other. In other words, you either are all in as a cooperator and admitting your liability or youre not. Whether both jurisdictions would require him to plead guilty as opposed to one, thats sort of really more of the technicalities, but i do think if i were in the federal government, i would want to match what fani willis did, because you have your own separate interests and the more pressure on him, the better. These are people who tried to engage in a coup undermining democracy. Its so hard to understate this because its just the worst or sorry, hard to overstate it because its just the worst possible crime you can think of. You said trial date, i wrote it down. Now lets talk about it, donald trump, yesterday, there was laughter in response to the idea that they want to have this date in the month of neverty, apparently, when we talked about it on the show. What do you make of this attempt to push the trial date into far yonder and where do you think we wind up with a trial date, because we have so many trial dates . Do you see any chance of either of those cases happening before the primaries or before like march, april . Well, i think a really good thing for folks to remember is judge luting, who is a very respected, very conservative former judge in the Fourth Circuit in virginia, he has said repeatedly publicly he thinks the trump cases can and should happen before the general election, and that due process does not require that they be after the election, that he can prepare and do all this beforehand. Thats one good data point. The other is, you know, Paul Manafort in virginia, we indicted him in january or february. He was on trial in july. That was in front of a judge who also was very conservative. In d. C. , his trial took 11 months to go from indictment to trial. I actually found the submission from the defense sort of facially amusing, and if you scratch under the surface, it made no sense at all. To have a diagram of how many war peace volumes this would be, thats not how discovery works here. In the days where its electronic discovery, of course, theres mountains and mountains of evidence if you turn it into paper documents. Thats not what happened. That hasnt happened for over 25 years. Judge chutkan isnt going to be fooled by that. Thats something that was done for his base but not for the court. And by the way, this is how much of a nerd i am. I read War And Peace in high school. And walked around with it, looked like a giant door stop. And its actually by the way, you dont need to read it seven times to prepare. You only need to read it once. Once is enough, trust me. Half is like meals of like cabinet stuff. Lets talk about something that did surprise me. It seems like donald trump actually listened to his lawyers. Hes not going to do his Big Press Conference thats going to prove that the election is stolen. Somehow, his lawyers talked him down from doing that. What do you make of the fact that trump, who is the ultimate showman, is not going to do that particular show . And is that good legal advice he got to dont do that . Yeah, lets just remember, this is what the president is saying, which is i have concrete, as he put it, irrefutable, thats what he said, irrefutable evidence that the election was stolen. But im not going to share it with you publicly because my lawyers dont want to. And since when does donald trump ever listen to his lawyers . I mean, so the idea that he has irrefutable evidence but hes not going to share it, i mean, its so palpably laughable. This is a situation where his lawyers were able to exert some control, and i think its because he knows that there are about to be two trial dates, both in georgia and in d. C. , that are set. And thats kind of the whole ball of wax. They basically probably sat him down and said whatever you want to say, can you please say it after the trial dates. And the other is in georgia, theres going to be a bail hearing, and again, if he continues with the kinds of attacks that hes made, which that is one where, you know, its so important to talk about how serious that is, because as sure as were sitting here, we know that there is going to be continued threats and actual real life consequences the way there were to ruby freeman and shaye moss and potentially worse because of his conduct, and the prosecutors and the judges are not going to tolerate that. Absolutely. Anyone else would be in jail long ago for having done the stuff hes done and said about these judges and these witnesses et cetera. Sam bankmanfried in the Southern District of new york is in jail right now for engaging in this kind of conduct. There you go. Andrew weissmann, thank you very much. Im an oscar winner but im not going to show it to you. I have irrefutable proof. Not going to do it. 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