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Two developments in the last hour should be processed with that fact in mind. First, his sudden decision to cancel a Press Conference. Trump had promised a, quote, conclusive report and he would once and for all be proven right New York Times says its a document of more than 100 pages compiled, at least in part by liz harrington, a Trump Communications aide often described as among the True Believers in his false claims that the 2020 election was stolen from him through widespread fraud. At least on this one issue, trump appears to have listened to the advice of his lawyers. Abc news reported yesterday, trumps Legal Advisers have told him holding such a Press Conference with dubious claims would only complicate his legal problems. Which wrings us to the second development. An audacious request filed in Court Last Night to push back trumps trial in the federal case regarding his efforts to overturn the 2020 election to april of the year 2026. Yeah. Thats more than five years after the deadly insurrection at the u. S. Capitol, more than 3 fluff years after his indictment, and more than two years after the 2020 election will be decided by the american people. It all ties back to what team trump sees as one of the its most viable, perhaps its only legal strategy, which is not a legal strategy at all, not to litigate completely baseless claims . But, instead, Curtain Number two delay any and all trials until after the u. S. President ial election. Then, if he prevails, use the presidency as a veritable get out of jail free cart. New york times reports this, quote, some of the former president s advisers have made no secret of the fact hes looking to win the next election as a way to solve his legal problems. If hes a frontrunner for the president ial nomination can push the federal trials until after the election and prevail, he could seek to pardon himself after taking office or have the ag dismiss the matter altogether. This is where we start the hour with some our favorite reporters and friends. John heilemann is back with us, former u. S. Attorney Harley Litman is back. From New York Times, washington on the other hand correspondent, glen rush is here. No, hes not only running to pardon himself. Theres no maga hats being produced and handed out. He is running so he is never liable for his alleged crimes. Well, it certainly seems that his political strategy is super ceding his legal strategy, because some of these filings really are reading like tweets. I think there was a graphic in the filing in d. C. Requesting the delay that sort of showed the height of all the documents if piled up that the government is having him review that its bigger than the as if you couldnt review things electronically. I mean, this is not going to sway a judge, its not going to sway a jury. Its hard to figure out exactly how this fits into any legal context. Then the other thing was this News Conference he was going to hold, you know, i wonder if Fulton County would have to reimpanel the grand jury to look at a super ceding indictment if he was going to make some of the same fraudulent claims that hes accused of in its indictment. You have to ask yourself at some time, even if the primary season seems to be as onesided as its looking, whether or not theyre going to hunker down and develop some sort of a strategy. I know here in d. C. Judge chutkan indicated quite strongly, even if this doesnt come to trial in january, she intends to move this expeditiously. It is interesting, glen, too, and you and your colleagues have reported on this extensively how totally different he is under investigation, without the shield of the Justice Department, without bill barr as a sitting Attorney General, without a memo saying a isnt cant by indicted. Hi calculations, like the one our talking about, cans 8ing this Press Conference so he doesnt add to his woes seems different. Ive been observing trump for, i dont know, 20 years, first an a reporter in new york and then covering the white house. I have to say people say hes the same, reverting to the same playbook, i have to say his tone is different. Theres a sense of urgency in this tone. For instance, maybe im the only one thats noticing this, hes starting to use saltier language in public, in Public Events that he used to restrain himself a bit. Some of these truth social posts, im not saying his twitter posts were measured, but some are getting even more extreme. I think his behavior is, if youre sort of looking at it over time, is clanging. John heilemann, youre a student of sort of trump going as far back as glenn does. Its heart to put this into language that doesnt get you crushed by the critics, but there is something consistently dark, there is something consistently selfobsessed. Hes always been dark and selfobsessed. Hes sort of a villainous narcissist, but theres something more so, and something more out in the open. Hes running as your retribution. Hes running to pardon himself. Thats it. Thats the whole campaign message. Glenn used the somnebulent sorry. I think that means sleepy, but thats mostly describing my brain, too. Look, trump is, to borrow the phrase of mike murphy, it is atomic clock of politics. Its like hes the most consistent public figure i may have ever covered. Almost everything trump does in hits antic, Manic Behavior is rooted in pathological narcissism, will to power, greed, meanness, the racism, all the rest of it, those have all been totally consistent throughout his public life, in real estate development, in reality television, and then as president , and now as expresident his lake of shame or fear were super powers for him. He didnt care about bankruptcy or fighting endless lawsuits. Most of us are terrified. Trump is like, lets have lawsuits, bankruptcies, i dont care. He didnt care about president that makes all over president s age 30, 40 years in office this is what hes afraid of, hes just as all of those bad qualities, but the thing, the extra dose in this add mixture, to use another 25cent word, this toxic stew of trumps behavior now, the thing that makes it more sicker, toxic, is the fear of incarceration, the fear of repudiation, the fear of all of the stuff that he has most been the fears have always been there, but now theyre wide out in the open, and hes running a campaign thats so nakedly selfinterested. What happened to make America Great again . It was a b. S. Slogan, but it was about america, its now im your retribution and keep my out of jail. You cant get more selfinterested than that. Glenn, i want to assure you we were commenting your superior vocabulary. Yes, yes. We are prointelligence here. Politically, there is something that none of us is qualified to understand. Were not sorb geologyists or psychologyists, but something more fever, to your point about the campaign speeches. You can even go about six, eight months. He was talking about shooting drug dealers. You know, its so hard to make it relative with trump, because rapists and murderers were already sordid, racist and disgusting, but this descent has gone unaccounted for. I wonder if any of that sort of shows up or gives any pause or anxiety to his kurt batch. I know this is change at any time, but of legal representatives the Body Language is very buddybuddy, a lot of whispering and jokes. One of the things thats worth thinking about, because part of covering trump in any context is how history just completely vanishes, and youre kind of stranded in the here and now decon texualized in the past. You have to remember, how many lawyers trump has gone through. Some of them pretty solid lawyers, some of them peripheral lawyers. People are getting paid a lot of money. We have he seen a rapt of stories for which his campaign is essentially kind of a Legal Defense fund with a campaign attached, to some extent. So people are getting paid a lot of money. How long are these lawyers and this particular group of lawyers has a track record, a positive track record, how long will they be willing to, again, deal with a client who is refusing to play by the rules . Lauro, during the preliminary hearing, assured the judge that trump would abide by every single term of the bond agreement. As he said that, one of the lead prosecutors, tom wind wyndham kind of chuckled. Its particularly interesting right now. So this idea that history disappears blows me over. Thats exactly what it feels like, to keep trying to put the history of the trumpism, on the air every day for two hours. I want to proceeds this with you, harry litman. History tries to persist in his greatest enablers. You had bill barr that did more to mitt size than just about anyone in modern history, a vocal advocate. Let me show you, he called its his favorite words. I wont say it today, but called b. S. On the arguments that he needs 31 years to go through the discoveries. Well, to some degree they might accommodate a few days here and there, but i dont think that should govern the schedule for pursuing these cases. You dont get immunity for two year and run up to an election by saying im a candidate, you cant try me. On these were known even before he announced his candidacy. If theres a chance to resolve it before the election, it should be. These are crimes that involve moral turpitude. Bill barr has always presented as better late than never, and even hes calling b. S. On it. With all of that stip lated, a pretty clear declaration of how his timing are so frivolous. I want to second what john had to say. On the one hand, politically, hes more erratic and this sort of elements of saidism and racism are really open. Thats not new. Whats new to me is the tone of loss of nerve and contrition he says im going to about a Press Conference on monday, and the first thing he says, my lawyers have told me. So for trump to be rolled by the lawyers, and you can imagine the woodshedding they gave him, and when he could pit lace, and then there was another interesting statement. Instead of say irrefutable evidence, he said i believe, comma, irrefusible. Theyve gotten to him and slapped him around, enough of the naked lies, at least cushion it with i believe. Hes done it two or three times so youre not compounding your liability with more false statements. Make it look like a statement of opinion. Thats not very trumpian. I they it does indicate that hes flinching. I want to come back to this fear piece with you, john. I remember your earlier interviews, who do you turn to for foreign policy, and he points to his big brain. He was never afraid of humiliating himself because of this Connective Tissue to his base, but the tables have flipped. He needs them to vote him in so he can protect himself from a conviction or jail time. Are you watching anything different as you watch him in that tie between trump and his base . Yes, first, theres no question about it, that the Power Dynamic between him and the people who have made him, you cant overstate how important it is. Everything in American Politics as donald trump entered the scene, everything has been conditioned on the fact of this loyalty of this 30 , 35 of the Republican Party the most loyal base ive seen or covered. And trump had them. Now, you know, even a couple years ago before the indictments, when people started to say, you know, Marjorie Taylor greene may have a more intense connection with this base, she may be trumpier than trump. The base, in the pure distillation of ideas, i put ideas in quotes she was a challenge to trump. The insecurity, anybody who rises up and becomes a bigger star than trump that sucks of some oxygen, then let alone someone who sucks of some of the loyalty of that bails, is seen as a threat in some way. You have seen him not pal around with Marjorie Taylor greene in quite the way he once did. Right. You see it as he calculates what to do on this debate. Thats the biggest decision he faces. You can see him weighs out i still dont know where hes going to kemp down. As you say it, i picture him talking to his own brain. Glenn thrush, thanks for starting us off today. Everyone else sticks around. Paging jack smith. Theres new reporting on where one of the alleged architect was on january 6th. Hes likely coconspirator number five, and is likely now an even bigger focus for the department of justice. Well tell you about that next. Plus trump henchmen in georgia looking to change the rules of the game. Well look at the political realities of that, coming to fruition. Later in the show, this weeks fourth criminal indictment of the expresident does not mean well talk to officer harry dunn that have been taken in efforts to hold up our democracy. Deadline white house continues after a quick break. Dont go anywhere. Continues after a quick break. Dont go anywhere. If you have Heart Disease and are on a statin, lowering cholesterol can be hard. And diets and exercise add to the struggle. It can feel neverending. But today, its possible to go from struggle to Cholesterol Success with leqvio. Taken with a statin, leqvio is proven to lower bad cholesterol by over 50 . So, if you feel like youre getting nowhere. Go with 2 doses a year of leqvio and keep bad cholesterol low. 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He faces seven felony counts, including conspiracy and remark tiers, chesebor is believe to be Coconconspiracy Torrie five. He was at the u. S. Capitol on january 6th, following around alex jones, while appears to record alex jones, using his cell phone. Cnn identified chesebro through video, and acquaintances. Nbc news has not independently verified this video. We reached out to attorneys for march chesebro, who had no comment. While theres no evidence he entered the Capitol Building or took part in the violence, theres a startling new connection with the expresident s legal team and what was happening on the ground with the insurrectionists Charlie Sykes joins us. This part where it involved these lawyers, sort of the whilecollar mob, right . Geoffrey clark, john eastman, was particularly heartos, because they were the closest to use these levers of government. I think one of the allegations about this gentleman, is he was to be dropped into doj after trumps defeat. I dont think that ever happened, but he was viewed as we have geoffrey clarks what it reminds us is that the fake elector scheme was not a oneoff. It was part of an ongoing plan to overturn the election. So you connect the dots between what roger stone was saying the week after the election and the fact that from chesebro was intimately involved in that, but also was the distance between chesebro, and the president s team and most extreme radicals like alex jones has now gone to this. The dots are getting closer to being connected. The people need to understand these were not separate things. Alex jones whipping up the mob, telling the people the president had some major thing happen on january 6th, and joe biden stealing the election, was a Chinese Communist spy, and next to him is one of the key players in Donald Trumps conspiracy to steal the election. What we are seeing is theres more to be learned about all of this, and its a mistake to think these are separate, disparate conspiracies. There was one plan to overturn the election, and were seeing it now in the case in georgia. John high madge, i know there was video of roger stone dictating to someone who works with him and to the computer the fake electors plot. You take that with this, and its clear they were never, ever looking for real fraud. They were always looking for a pretext to put in the fake electors. It was always the coup first and the violence comes after and the reason chris krebs cant stick around, he caught b. S. Days after the election. The new pieces of tape sort of flip the public understanding of what came first on its head. Yeah, nicolle, you and i have talked before about for me a very memorable interview i did with steve bannon back in october of 2020, in which he talked about this whole scenario on the circus. He said there would be knife fights in the counting rooms, the fake elector schemes. Those are all things steve bannon was talking about back in october. The key element is it was clear his confidence, and i think it was true 230 roger stone, people like bannon and stone, their attitude was there will be these knife cuts, we will claim fraud, and we will win them not on the merits, but because we have power. They have republican judges, republican governors, and because we have more power, were stronger, well force the claims through and that will start 9 dominos rolling. They didnt have that power, a lot of people stood up, thank god, and just remember that the insurrection, the mob attack on the capitol was not a bug, but a feature of the fake elector scheme. It was part of it and not an unavoid able, it was an important as everything else, as the dry, phony but dry legal arguments, this was as crucial to the execution of the plan as anything else. This is something that they were looking forward to. Its so crazy. Harry, i wonder if you could weigh in on the exposure that mr. Chesebro has. Hes been charged in georgia, so he faces potential prosecution there, but hes likely an unindicted coconspirator. He is certainly number five. I think we think all six are really looking at charges. Hes much more be great deal involved we have known, but only relatesly. To date, the focus had been on eastman, the guy up there with the eclipse. It turns out that chesebro was the Guide Feeding him the information. He is the architect of the plan. A big reason they didnt charge trump with insurrection is because it was hard to make the connection of an actual agreed between the marauders and team trump. Here you have something who is intel rally involved, who is going along. Weve always thought this fringe group of stone and powell and flynn would figure in some ways. They knew the alex joneses of the world and trump, and here you have a tangible example where hes excitedly on the ground filming that very day, if not just the exposure for him, but the connection between the higherup lawyering, and the actual marauders thats big. Just amazing. The revelations never point in the direction of these people not being guilty of the worst thing imaginable. Thank you, ken. Charlie and john will stick around a bit more for us. Republicans are doing their best impressions of grade school children. If you could win, you change it. Thats mean for grade school children, i take it back. Well have more, next. Well have more, next. Chevy silverado has what it takes to do it all. With up to 13 camera views. And the z71 offroad package. You ok . Yeah. Any truck can help you make a living. This one helps you build a life. Chevy silverado. Rsv is in for a surprise. Meet arexvy. the first fdaapproved rsv vaccine. 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Reps have become good at, if they could win, they change the rules. Republicans there in georgia are now seeking to stop i by any means possible, District Attorney attorney fani willis. A letter was sent to the governor demanding an emergency session. There have been calls related to pardons. This as antidemocratic as all those steps would be, the good news is its very unlikely any of those measures will be successful, but again that were tacking about them at all tells you everything you need to know about trumps guilty and trumps party. Joining us, host of Politics Nation the reverend al sharpton. Rev, to me theres something so clear in this tell that i dont know if they intent, they now hes not innocent. Many of the crimes he committed in full view. What do you make of the fact as one of the two major parties in the country, theres no consequence for changing the rules . I think that it is something that is extremely troubling that the rhetoric and the proposals, whether they pass or no in georgia, is not even receiving the distancing, less known a denunciation, of a republican candidate. There was a time when extremists were denounced by the central mainstream candidates in either party. It is almost not only permitting, but excused by the mainstream Republican Party nominees or candidates. Not one candidate for also is denouncing this. Even though the crimes than being alleged in the indictment were against georgia, and the governor of georgia brian kemp stood up, and the Secretary Of State, theyre not saying how obviously this is ridiculous, offensive and antidemocratic. So what are they debating about on the 23rd . Are they debating about an autocrazy or a democracy . I mean, charlie, what is interest is this case is impossible to allege without the Trump Supporting republicans in the state as star ses. So without brian kemp and raffensperger, i think both of them stood on the side. Major League Baseball moved if the allstar game out when they passed that law. Well give them time to do the right thing, but they seem to be on both sides of these measures. I think its interesting to watch, the agree to which republicans in washington and around the country have internalized the idea that legislatures can appeared perhaps ought to engage in obstruction of justice. You use legislative power to shut down the courts, to shut down prosecutions. Thats a very, very dangerous development, but, you know, to take a step back, john made an interesting point there are reasons for donald trump, alex jones, people like steve bannon, to think that they had the power to get away with stealing the election, because they have republicans who controlled State Legislatures. Imagine if all of the republicans in places like georgia, arizona, the legislative leaders in pennsylvania, key republican officials in michigan. What if they had gone along with donald trump . I think trump thought if youre a republican, i can demand your loyalty. In fact, they stood up to him in key places. The question now is whether the Republican Party has changed so much in the intervening year that that wouldnt happen anymore. If Georgia Republicans had gone along with donald trump, if Arizona Republicans had gone along with donald trump, and in pennsylvania, and in wisconsin, we would be living in a very different political world than we are right now. So the stress test now is whether things have changed. Whether the georgia Republicandominated Legislature says we have the power to do this, lets go ahead, otherwise well be denounced as r oiismt nos, or whether they will still hold the line as they did in 2020. Thats a crucial decision. Not all of the information we have access to is promising. John heilemann, rusty bowers is no longer in office in arizona. He was a Trump Support who are refused to carry out the coup, because rudy told him there was no evidence, just theories. All of the people who, when the question was throw away the votes of the people in my state, not all of them went along, but not all of them are still is there. Thats right, nicolle. Theyre on the other side of the ledger. Brad raffensperger the case of governor kemp, those are complicated cases. Those two gentlemen fought, you know refused to go down the trump road, refused to become an election denier. Beat david perdue in 2022, and then won by nine. You know, thats a guy whos been rewarded political. In a state like georgia where a lot of suburban republicans dont have any taste for donald trump, theres an Incentive Structure thats set up there that could reward politically reward taking doing the right thing theres also a lot of crazy there. All right. No one is going anywhere. After the break, well turn to another story out of georgia. The line is long for those deserving justice and accountability. The grave damage to their lives caused by the big lie. Why they and other women who did what they do are welcoming the action taken by prosecutors there. Well bring you that story next. There. Well bring you that story next. hero fan uh, yea. I have to watch my neighbors Nfl Sunday Ticket. josh allen its not your best plan. But you know what is . Myplan from verizon. 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The Washington Post points this out black females election workers and Officials Say they have faced threats and criminal charges after being targeted by election deniers. Now with the sweeping indictment charging several people with orchestrating a harassment campaign, many black female election workers in georgia welcome the charges. Rev, was this single piece of testimony that they showcased in the congressional probe of trump, they were the rare witnesses who were not republicans. Most of the witnesses against trump with his own former campaign officials, white house officials, Justice Department officials, like the people charlie and john were talking about, officials out in the states. These were thepurest kind of civil servants. Not only did they pay the ultimate price and be put through trauma, threats. I mean, and things that probably be part of them the rest of their lives. Think about why . They were doing what we ask citizens to do. Thats participate in the election process. Participate in the democratic process, that the country was built on. When i was growing up, we learned about the first president s of the United States who fought the british in the American Revolution to have democratic elections. Here you have a president that is fighting to Corrupt A Democratic Process and targeting black women, that is part of that pros. What are we supposed to tell our children now in school when we get to the 45th president , to explain how he fought in the spirit of king george to kille democratic process and scapegoat black women that were part of t assure us the democratic process worked . I dont think we understand how unamerican this is what hes done. Yes, its criminal. Yes, its despicable, but it goes against everything this country said it stood for that many of us had to fight to get to be a part of, and now you want to change the script and say that elections dont matter . And you could be targeted if you just happened to be working in an election place where the process is supposed to be above repute. I mean, john, you and i talked about this at the beginning of the week. There is this extraordinary projection, they accused them of cheating when they were the ones cheating, criminally it would appear. Yeah, and yes, thats true, nicolle. The other thing that stands out to me is the echo were seeing right now. We saw this in georgia, essentially this campaign of wanton intimidation, tearing people down with no sense of restraint, total sense of impunity, were seeing it happen to another set of people doing their civic duty, the people who are the grand jurors in the fani willis case. The followers of the president are doxxing these people. We have had bad president s in the past, we have had crooked president s in the past, we have had president s who have made tremendous moral errors in the past. 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We talk a lot about the attacks on democracy, which are of course grave, but there are Human Victims to all of this and this is why this prosecution is so important, to deter this, otherwise it will continue to happen and the lies will continue to be spread with impunity. Donald trump needs to be held accountable. But so do other people, including people like true the vote and Dinesh Da Souza that made a movie that spread these lies, all the people responsible for t look, it is not in any way a coincidence that donald trump wanted to make the face of voting fraud two black women in georgia. There is no dog whistle here. This is part of his instinct and until he is stopped he will continue to do that. Its a danger to everybody that he does. Youre absolutely right. My thanks on this friday to the rev al sharpton, Charlie Sykes and jon hoil man. Dont miss this weeks preview of the republican debate. Rev will join his colleagues this sunday night at 8 00 p. M. Eastern right here on msnbc. 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Bank is for. Huge relief. Yeah. You campaigned for President Trump and with him during the 2020 election. Is it fair to say that you wanted donald trump to win a second term in office . Please. Yes, sir. Thank you. Did you tell the president in that second call that you supported him, that you voted for him, but that you were not going to do anything illegal for him . I did, sir. Im disappointed. Im a conservative republican. I wanted President Trump to win. If you dont have the votes, you dont have the votes. If hes got votes in some other states he can bark up those trees, but in georgia we run a pretty tight ship. Hi, again, its 5 00 in the east. So the Beauty Of American Democracy is that, right . People have a choice, they can support whoever they want, they can vote for whomever they want. Voters head to the polls, they pick who they want to represent them, and for the most part, right, when its working the individual with the most votes wins. There are also a large number of people displeased with the results, those whose choice did not prevail but they accept t they understand that loss is a risk in the american experiment, so they focus on what they can do to make sure their choice is the one who wins in the next election. But that acceptance did not happen in the last election. Millions of americans fueled by the lies falsely believed that their votes had somehow, somewhere been stolen. A mob of supporters of Donald Trumps angrily stormed the u. S. Capitol attempting to take back what they falsely and erroneously in many instances criminally believed to have taken over from them. Now more than two and a half years later more than 1,000 of those individuals have been charged with crimes that they committed on that day and finally the man behind the lies has been criminally charged by the federal government and the state of georgia as well. Two separate indictments from special counsel jack smith and Fulton County District Attorney fani willis that came down 13 days apart. The indictment from Fulton County was Release Add Member of the january 6th select committee, Congressman Schiff posted, quote, so why does yet another indictment matter . Trump attempted to stay in power after losing reelection, that has never happened before in our history. If he is allowed to escape accountability for that, other president s will attempt to do the same. Voters need to know that their vote matters and elected officials need to know that they are not above the law. We cannot allow a president to seek to subvert an election and if they succeed they are president for life. And if they fail, theres no consequence. That is one sure way to lose our democracy. Which brings us back to a word we speak of on this Program Every single day, accountability. How without accountability our democracy will not survive. Trump is trying to avoid accountability. Still spreading his lies, still denying his loss, just last night his lawyers asked the judge overseeing the federal election case to push trumps trial back to april of 2026. When the judge ultimately decides to schedule the trial we will see whether what happens and we will see whether or not a jury of his peers convicts him. Thats all unclear at this point. These multiple indictments against the expresident have already been a massive step toward accountability. Accountability is where we begin the hour with our Friend Officer harry dunn the author of Standing My Ground a Capitol Police officers fight for accountability and good trouble after january 6. I know we made a date to be in studio together but i didnt want to wait another week until i was back to talk to you. Thank you for being here like this. Always good to be with you. Thanks for having me on. I know there is this expectation that you will be like, yeah, accountability, but i feel like you know better than anybody that this is the beginning of a new beginning of the process, right . That what real accountability looks like in the best Case Scenario is still a long horizon away. How does it feel just to be at the beginning of the next phase of this . You know, thats a good question because i asked myself like, all right, now what . You know, hes been indicted in all these different states and jurisdictions and now just like now what . Now what do we do . Do we just wait . If he has his way it will be until 2026. Lord forbid that happens. But, you know, what do we do, just sit here and just deal with the trauma, be retraumatized, hearing all the actually, let me back up. Lets talk about the people that are defending him because those are the things that those people are looking to minimize the things that we went to that we went through. Michael fanone uses the line often i went to hell and back only for people to tell me that hell doesnt exist. So all these different defenses that people are going to use and people are going to be throwing at the wall to get them to stick, were just going to have to live with that. Its kind of like gaslighting us that what we went through didnt really happen. I dont like that we have to accept that. And i try to never do that here. I mean i dont. We dont. Right. We decent have to accept that. And thats playing on their terrain. I mean, i feel i think the way you do that the criminal Justice System kind of springing to life and engaging is an affirmation for reality on earth one. Its an affirmation that the physical violence and the ongoing trauma that you experienced are real, which nobody on earth one doubts, but you are contending with this alternate reality. I feel like every time there is any attempt to defend what trump did on that day or to call them ordinary tourists it is a front to all of you. Well, yeah, thats you have to think thats the game plan of what he did, what his supporters are doing. Theyre doing anything they can do to diminish is there a chance, is there any credibility to what these individuals are saying to what they went through. Look at the reason why people thought the vote was stolen, because these State Legislatures are doing everything in their power, within the law, to suppress the vote of people. So if theyre saying that people arent voting and theres no way that these lies are able to, you know, to grow and to they spread like wildfire, and thats why we get thats how we get what we got on january 6th. You know, you deal with sort of the whole petri dish, right, and the line with the anger with the racism is how january 6th happens but you put the lie in a petri dish with your face and your story and your truth and it sort of shrivels up and dies. How are we doing as a country . Do you feel like the petri dish with the lie and hate and racism is growing more quickly than the dish with the criminal accountability and the Truth Tellers like yourself . I will give myself a pat on the back for that. Not so much the january 6 stuff what he did on that day, me and my coworkers, the men and women of the police department, but not shutting up since then. Not letting the truth and my face die. Im not going anywhere. As long as people are pushing back theyre going to find resistance in myself refusing to shut up about what happened that day until, like you said, justice and accountability has happened. Which now they are trying to delay. If i was, you know, had the opportunity to claire my name in court, you best believe i would be on the first available date, lets make this happen, you know . Thats so interesting. None of his defenses are about defending himself on the facts, they are all about some political smear or political fabrication. Yeah. No. Absolutely. But thats the thing, like we know that it was a lie. The reason why im so confident in saying that, you know, donald trump is responsible for what happened that day is because the individuals who attacked us, not just us as in the law enforcement, but the american people, because thats what that building represents, the u. S. Capitol represents the american people. So when i say they attacked us, they attacked all of america. But the reason why i feel so confident saying that is because they told us with their own words, the reason they were there is because donald trump sent them there. You know, if he had some other facts or other truths, he should get the opportunity to say that instead of spewing all these different theories about, you know, Election Interference and all this stuff. You know, you had an interesting reaction, you credited Cassidy Hutchinson who was a very Senior Advisor to mark meadows, a west wing insider, but you credited her with telling the truth and telling the story of how january 6th happened. Talk about that. You know, i can that just brings the human inside of me. You know, im angry at a lot of people from that day for the failures of, you know, a lot of people dropped the ball that day, whether it be elected officials, whether it be intelligence gatherers, whether it be the president of the United States, whatever, but when it came time to do the right thing, when it came time to do the right thing again, a lot of people stepped up and Cassidy Hutchinson is one of them, especially after learning all the powerful individuals that were up against her, the people that were that she was in the room with and shes probably the youngest person in that room, probably a lot of times the only woman in that room and you just look at those those odds that she was against, you know. Ive got to show a little bit of grace and i appreciate her having the resolve to stand fast and tell her truth and tell her story, to also bring about these indictments that happened because honestly im no legal scholar like harry and your other panel are that were just on. Me, either. But i do know that i believe but a lot of these these indictments would not have happened without her coming forward so im appreciative of that. I think thats right. I mean, i also think about Adam Kinzinger and liz cheney, they were for trump until january 6th, they voted for him in november but they said overturning an election that you have lost is not just a line too far, but then they worked to shed truth on how that happened. Cassidy hutchinson is in the same category. But i want you know, at a human level, and i struggle with this every time bill barr who i think was one of the most damaging people to ever hold the office of Attorney General in our countrys history, says something about the strength of the governments case about donald trump, of course its news because he was such a willing accomplice, but i struggle with the coming late to protecting democracy, coming late to calling a lie a lie, in bill pars case coming late to calling bs, bs. Where does in your case showing grace for those people come from . The better late than never slogan or saying is the optimists way of looking at it. You know, the piss mist i guess thats the optimistic way of looking at it but the pessimistic way was you should have done it from the beginning. Right. And the realist part is where im at. Im mad at you for not doing it earlier but im glad you did it. Thats how democracy works, youre allowed to have different opinions within the law. Oppress people as much as you want within the law but once you cross the borderline of breaking the law thats when you take a stand. I guess youre legally right but morally its still reprehensible to me. I think thats exactly right. I mean, i am glad that Chris Christie is running against donald trump and the republican primary by making some of the same points you and i are, but he was his debate coach through 2020. He didnt quit after good people on both sides, he didnt walk away after he told the proud boys to stand back and stand by, he didnt leave and the access Hollywood Tape came out. Im still so mad that they didnt do something earlier. I guess what im hearing from you is that the fight is big, its about democracy and we have to welcome everybody to the side of protecting her . Yeah. Like we need all the allies you can get with this fight. Look how big look how much support donald trump has. You know, like we cant discredit that just because hes doing everything illegal under the sun, we cant discredit that and hope that is enough to win people over. He still has a ton of support. We need allies from all over if we want to preserve this experiment called democracy. We cant just, you know, take it for granted he broke the law, no way people are going to support. Yeah, his support is growing. After every indictment they do a new poll his numbers are up. This is maddening. But its a problem and it exists and we have to face it headon. I try to always check back in with you about how youre doing personally and i want to do that after i read you something that was news today. This is reported by nbc. Doj finds Police Officer suicide after january 6 attack was a death in the line of duty. Jeffrey smiths widow was informed by doj she is eligible for federal benefits. Last year the Public Safety officer support act was signed into law, it allows families of officers who die by suicide following traumatic events to receive death benefits. I guess another thing in the category, right, of better late than never. But i wonder i think its important to stay on these stories because it was traumatic and it was too much for some of the people involved. How are you doing . Yeah, im glad that you brought that up and officer Jeffrey Smiths widow, i will give her name, erin, erin and i we talk, were good friends, we check in with each other often. That was a big point. She fought her ass off to make that happen. I believe it was with Senator Duckworth that was also involved in that legislation. But, yes, the Human Element is still there. People lost their lives, people lost siblings, spouses, brothers, husbands, whatever, but, yes, the Human Element is very real. Im distracted now, how im doing, im distracted with all of these indictments and everything. So, you know, i guess thats a good thing, you know, that trauma and stuff never goes away. You know, but i always want to focus on i dont like to speculate and talk about things that i dont know about, you know, so thats why i feel confident coming on any show and any program and telling my story because that is what happened. Anything else is just speculation. So im distracted about these different indictments, but thats why i want to keep the Focus On Accountability and justice. And about the Human Element, if i may real quick, i did have an opportunity to talk to ruby freeman this week and just wish her well because the Human Element, you want to talk about that, you know, in her testimony she talked about she didnt even she lost her name. She didnt even want she didnt say her name when she was out ordering coffee or starbucks or something, you know . She used a fake name because she was scared that somebody would recognize her. But i will report to you all what she said, that shes hanging in there and doing as good as can be expected. Everybody keep her in your thoughts and prayers if you are religious. And you reached out to her on the day that she and her trauma was front and center. You had that conversation at the beginning of the week. I just wonder, i mean, you are you are sort of this bright light of connection. I mean, i think the other place where sort of the trauma and the darkness doesnt live is if we all band together and you are banded together with all of us, you keep telling your story, you keep us honest and keep us focused on this doesnt matter in a republican democrat way. I dont know if everyone that was hurt that day in your line of work was of one party or another. This is about connecting as human beings who see the facts as they are and you seem to do that rather effortlessly as well. I try because whats right is right and whats wrong is wrong. It should all be that simple. Thats it. Did the president break the law . Yes. Does he deserve to be held accountable . Yes. Thats it. Nothing more, nothing less. And then if people want to bring up like people want to bring up what about this . Okay. Lets deal with that on a individual basis. Dont try to lump all this stuff together. It could all be so simple. People are overcomplicating this stuff by bringing different factors into it. What are we doing here . You know, if somebody broke the law they need to be held accountable, republican, democrat, president , president s son, it doesnt matter. Like if they broke the law, hold them accountable, period. And have the courage to do it. I have 10,000 more questions for you, i will ask you to stick around through a quick break and we will be right back with harry dunn. And we will be right back with harry dunn setting trends is our busin. We need to scale with customer demand. In real time. jen so we partner with verizon to take our operations to the next level. marquis with a custom private 5g network. ella with verizon business, we get more control of production, efficiencies, and greater agility. marquis so our customers get what they want, when they want it. jen its not just a network. Its enterprise intelligence. vo learn more. Its your vision, its your verizon. Fly to paris. 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Everybody, even sitting at this table, fought a different battle that day, but it was all for the same war, and us black officers, i believe we fought a different battle also, and the fact that we had our race attacked and just because of the way we look, you know, to answer your question frankly, i guess it is america. It shouldnt be, but i guess thats the way that things are. Perfect clarity there that weve been talking about. The flagrant racism voiced by Trump Supporters on january 6th is a key feature of january 6th and in the ongoing attacks by the expresident and his supporters now, today, as they continue to verbally attack and threaten prosecutors and judges overseeing his criminal cases. U. S. District judge tanya chutkans life was threatened by a woman who referred to her using racial slurs we wont repeat here. Fulton county da fani willis says she has received numerous racist threats and she has warned her employees to stay alert. Eugene robinson in the Washington Post puts it like this, it was always a matter of time before threats against the Public Officials and everyday citizens who are Holding Trump accountable became explicitly violent and racist. The only question is whether the Republican Party is going to pretend not to notice, which is the same thing as actively joining in. Were back with officer harry dunn. I think that question has been answered, right . I mean, there are no republicans out there condemning Anything Trump says and that includes Mitch Mcconnell who wont condemn trump when he attacks his own wife with racial slurs. Where does that leave us in terms of our vulnerability to this toxic mix of the threat of violence and the racist attacks . You know, its interesting that you brought up the attacks on the former secretary, the racist attacks. Racism makes people uncomfortable, even if you are not the one being attacked by it, but if you are a bystander of it and you are just watching t its uncomfortable. So i do believe i do like what mr. Robinson just said, just standing by makes you kind of complicit i guess. Obviously its not as bad as hurling the words out, but its kind of like with anything. Silence is also like confirmation that youre doing it right, unless, you know, it needs to be condemned and needs to be spoken up against. Maybe it is as bad and i have to credit the writer and researcher with this petri dish, but if you are in Elementary School and there is a Bullying Incident you get treated the same whether you are the bullier or whether you stand around and watch the bullying. Standing around and doing nothing does have the same impact on the extremists. The extremists see a Permission Structure and i wonder if you have any faith that we can tackle that problem at the same time we pursue accountability for trump. But youve got to think about, though, im a big why person. Why do people just stand around . I posted a message on twitter, x, whatever, that i got it was the n word it was the n word spelled backwards and i submitted it to, you know, support and they said they didnt find anything wrong with it. People know that its wrong and why dont people speak out against it . Because they dont know what to say, they are afraid to say, kind of like im minding my business kind of thing. Why do people be quiet . I credit mike fanone again, he said indifference, until it affects them directly i dont have any skin in the game or its not my problem or i sure hope that it gets better for that person. Thoughts and prayers. I feel like thats what people do when it comes to racism. Thoughts and prayers instead of actively pushing back against it. The problem with that i mean, there are a million problems with that, but the problem is theyre coming for everyone, right . I mean, the racism was a feature of trumps original run for office, his slurs against mexicans, his good people on both sides of the kkk rally in the earliest years of his presidency, proud boys stand back and stand by. The problem is now his extremist policies have anyone with a womb or uterus at risk of a governmentmandated pregnancy. The rise in antisemitism, the rise in attacks against asian americans. Not anyone is spared and i wonder where you think the blinders come from that people think they wont be next. Well, thats the thing. I think this just goes back to we need all the allies that we can get. You know, men need to stand up for women in the fight for reproduction health, white people need to stand up for black people. All people need to stand up against antisemitism. You know, asian hate. We all have to stand up against with each other against those forces. And, yes, because everybody anybody can get it and, you know, whose turn is it next . So everybody has to band together. So thats why it goes back to what i was saying earlier, we need all the allies that we can get just because these people it sounds so outlandish, right, but people support it. People support it. Its like we are in this echo chamber. We have to acknowledge that these people exist. A lot of people lets block them out. No, theyre going to keep talking and theyre going to talk their ways to the statehouses and the legislatures and theyre going to be the ones writing the rules. Writing the rules and writing the laws. We have to get involved in this. Frank farguzi said something yesterday or something that we cant stand back. Everybody has to get involved in this. I wonder on the question of political violence, its another one that i think anyone in the arena understands how real and how close those threats are, but you lived it, right . They came for you physically and actually. And i wonder if you can just speak a little bit about how scary it is to be threatened or targeted with political violence. You know, it is scary and i believe, you know, thats why i actually chose the title for my book Standing My Ground because it isnt easy to do. Anybody could have just sat back and be quiet and sat down. I dont like referring to myself as this courageous or even no, not at all, but, you know, i was i am my moral compass is facing north and whatever happens i am okay with it because i believe that what im doing is the right thing and thats what works for me. Thats my mindset. Thats why im comfortable with getting out here and telling my story, my truth and speaking up for what i believe is right. You know, it is scary, though, yes, you have to look over your shoulder, having to look over your back hoping that, you know, the person in the store doesnt recognize you and isnt, you know, one of the people that thinks that january 6th was a tourist visit. You know, it is scary, there is like i said, a real life Human Element to it. Miles taylor on your show yesterday said how many times he had to move and he was doxxed and all this stuff. That stuff really happens. But undeterred, unwavering and willing to continue to fight for it. I love talking to you. I could do this every single day. Officer harry dunn, thank you so much for joining us today. I appreciate you. Thanks, nicolle. Thank you, my friend. Ahead for us, some major victories to tell you about in the fight to protect Voting Rights in this country, thats despite a slue of lawsuits this summer from conspiracyminded republicans. That new reporting after a very short break. Dont go anywhere. Ting after a short break. 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Est to talk b just yesterday in texas a federal judge struck down portions of the states 2021 Voter Suppression law for violating the civil rights act, Voter Protections against riff yall errors. The Associated Press reports that provision contributed to the rejection of nearly 23,000 mailin ballots in texas during the 2022 primary election. Wow. Meanwhile, Democracy Docket lays out six times this summer where a slue of gopled antivoting lawsuits have ultimately failed all across our country, including earlier this month in arizona, losing Secretary Of State candidate mash finchem dismissed his lawsuit a year after it was rejected by the Arizona Supreme Court and a trial court that calls his claims, legal conclusions masquerading as alleged facts. Mark elias and katie kay join us. Mark, i like to ask broadly how democracy is doing. Today we have headlines, put them into context for us. Today is a good day, you know, within the last 48 hours you had in texas a federal judge strike down a key part of sv1 which was the mass Voter Suppression law that texas passed in 2021, you may remember democrats walked out of the capital to prevent it being passed. Then earlier today, nicolle, Georgia Federal Court struck down two provisions of georgia sb202, one the famed ban on food and water for voters waiting more a than 150 feet from the polling place, waiting in those long lines, that got struck down, and a Provision Requiring voter to put their date of birth on the outer envelope of their absentee ballot, a random provision that would have disenfranchised thousands of voters in georgia, those were struck down. Democracy is on the docket in courthouses around america and its winning and that is a message that people need to hear. What are the you know, sort of things that youre still watching . What keeps you up at night right now, mark . Look, what keeps me up at night is that as quickly and as conclusively as we are winning this other organizations are winning Voting Rights lawsuits and redistricting lawsuits you continue to see Republican Legislatures enact new restrictions on voting. For example, North Carolina the republicans there just enacted a massive Voter Suppression bill in that state, Governor Cooper will veto it, but i expect that the Republican Legislature will overcome that, will overcome that veto. So, you know, the Republican Party hasnt changed its stripes. If you look at the litigation that you mentioned from over the summer, you know, you saw republicans bringing litigation to overturn elections, republicans bringing litigation to overturn vote by mail. You know, it is just a constant, Constant Battle Where the only thing the Republican Party seems to be unified on is attacking democracy. You know, katty kay, i remember right after the 2020 election republicans calling me and saying you are so harsh on the Voter Suppression laws. What could you live with . Could you live with more Signature Requirements . And i said was there any fraud . They said, well, thats besides the point. Thats the whole point. There was no fraud. None of the Election Integrity laws are solving that problem that actually exists and the truth is after the contested 2000 election jim baker and president carter created an Election Fraud commission. They, too, found there was no fraud. Election fraud in our country at a scale that would change the outcome of elections doesnt happen. It isnt a thing. But the sort of infection and the wave and the momentum from propaganda and lies has us in this place where mark is busy every day playing whackamole and even when he wins these laws are predicated on a lie. Yeah, i mean, this is the virus that got pumped into the american system after the 2020 election when President Trump contested the results and wouldnt accept that the election had been free and fair. Court case after court case around the country found that indeed there was no fraud and, therefore, no need to amend laws because american elections were working fine. I mean, the problem with the virus that it undermines belief in democracy in this country and perhaps thats, you know, perhaps thats what theyre trying to do. So much so that i remembered it was a european think tank shortly after the 2020 election downgraded americas democracy from being ranked as a stable democracy to a flawed democracy. The separates is now ranked as a flawed democracy and its all because of the conspiracies that were spread around the country after the 2020 election. It does do real it does real damage to americas credibility at home and to the Election System here at home but it makes it harder for ma, to lead and to try to promote democracy around the world when it is only seen as a flawed democracy. Its such an important point, i think, to take ourselves out of it and look at how people view us. This may date me, but, mark, when i was coming up in republican politics a lot of Campaign Operatives in between cycles but it used to not go all year for four straight years would go and work on elections in fledgeling democracies. I mean, is a democracy project that is civic and educational and more than legal whats needed here and is that happening anywhere . Yeah, what im worried now is that the right wing and the maga republicans are exporting Voter Suppression around the world. There is at least some evidence that they are that they are exporting gerrymandering, for example, to places like great britain, but, you know, they are the great Tragedy Of American Democracy is that for many, many decades as imperfect as it was, it was marching in the right direction. Voting was getting easier. We were becoming freer and fairer and more inclusive in our elections and since donald trump took center stage of the Republican Party, it is not just that we have stalled our progress, its not just that we have even regressed, it is that the central animating theory of the Republican Party has been to suppress Voting Rights, to badmouth democracy, to criticize free and fair elections. And that is a project that will have ramifications beyond our own country and beyond our own time and its very worrying. We have to broaden that out with both of you nicolle go ahead. Its friday evening and im not usually the optimist on the program, especially when it comes to democracy in this country but i guess one thing that does give me cause for some sort of hope is that what we are seeing in the country is record numbers of people turning out to vote. So once you have systemic barriers being putting up to democracy you also have the American Public saying we actually want a say in this. In 2020 it was the highest Voting Turnout in america in 40 years. You have record numbers of women being elected to congress. So there are indications that the American Public sees whats going on and, you know, pun intended is actually voting with their feet and actually trying to take control of the situation and make sure that democracy is working for the maximum number of people. And the antidemocracy measures in ohio and the antichoice measures in kansas are failing. So when they are making a choice, they are choosing democracy. 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President Biden At Camp David earlier this afternoon on his historic meeting with japanese Prime Minister kishida and south korean president youn. Todays summit marks the first time he has hosted international leaders. South korea and japan have had frosty relations stemming from japans 35year occupation of the Korean Peninsula as well as treatment of koreans during world war ii. Chinas growing assertiveness and Nuclear Threats have brought them closer. Kim jongun and Vladimir Putin volunteer you had to stretchingen their times. A disturbing sign that russia to help facilitate north Koreas Nuclear goals. Kelly odonnell joins us from camp david. Katty kay is still with us. Kelly, its a familiar sight to see you in front of camp david but this is a rather extraordinary summit. Tell us about it. Reporter it is extraordinary because this is a chance to build a relationship between countries that individually have been very close to the United States, but, as you mention, there has been tension between japan and south korea. Coming together in a new kind of partnership that they believe will be helpful on Economic Issues that are shared, things like trying to have Early Warning systems on supply chain problems, we all lived through that during covid. Notably on the potential aggression that has been seen from china as well as north korea with all of its provocations and so one of the things theyre trying to do is have a relationship that is something less than the nato every Member Nation agreeing to come to the defense when one is threatened, but something thats moving in that direction. So if there are security threats between any of the country involved here, the u. S. , south korea, japan, they will consult each other swiftly, theres a new hotline being developed where the leaders can speak instantaneously. You know leaderlevel calls sometimes take a lot of groundwork before it rises to that point. This would be a way to close that time gap when there are urgent issues they need to discuss and a presumption that there would be common defense depending on the circumstances. It doesnt go as far as the nato ironclad agreement but it is really a move toward trying to add a new level of security in the indopacific region where the u. S. Has many economic interests and certainly these allies of the u. S. , that is their Home Neighborhood and they have a lot at stake. It was important for the substance, important in the setting, camp david is used by president s when they believe there is a Pivotal Moment to have, where diplomacy needs that extra push of coming to the president ial retreat, a place that the relaxing and historic. Thats part of how president s use the trappings of the office to try to bring together a deal. There was room to talk individually here, room to come together for meetings, the delegations had space. Weve been watching as the leaders of japan and south korea have lifted off, President Biden is expected to leave shortly. It was a meeting that they now commit will happen every year in one form or another, in one place or another, but its a building of relationships that is about current issues, but all of them said its about a different kind of partnership Going Forward that will be deeper and will give them perhaps a more nimble way to react to some of the things that are happening that are most concerning on the world stage right now. Kelly, other than perhaps negotiating with his former senate colleagues, i dont know that there is a more comfortable setting for this president than when we see him sort of after private diplomatic talks. Just talk about this white house and some of the stagecraft thats still apparent behind your shot. Reporter well, and some of what the president really talked about here today is from the time he came into office. He had in mind wanting to try to stitch together some of the relationship between japan and south korea to make this a tighter alliance, a threeway partnership. And that came to fruition today. And that is not something that is easy to do. He nodded to that during his remarks for sure about how each nation had to sort of confront some of its own uncomfortable relationship history and be willing to start from this point forward. Obviously, if you even consider the u. S. Was at one time at war with both japan and south korea at different times, in korea when the u. S. Was fighting there. These can be plict complicated relationships and there are moments like this where they say sometimes success the president said, success can bring about more success. So this was a long time in planning. Today was a pivotal part of it. There will be more to build on for years and perhaps decades to come. So a legacy piece for each of these leaders today, nicole. Catty, you expertly brought our attention back to our american nose against the glass of our own reflection. These are big, important steps and certainly noted around the world as well on the part of the Biden Administration and the president specifically. Yeah, we were talking about shoring up democracy. This is one of the ways america does that. Its a real coup for President Biden. When you were in the white house in the bush administration, i think it would have been very hard to imagine the leaders of South Korea And Japan being in the same room with each other comfortably. When i reported from japan for a few years in the 1990s this has been a terrible relationship because the Japanese Occupation of south korea was so brutal. The use of women as prostitutes was so awful. For just one example. So for President Biden to pull this off, its a coup to him, but its an Important Message as American National security turns its laser focus, the tanker shifts from the middle east to russia to really focusing on china, having these two allies in this kind of relationship with america is important. I love kellys description of the bat phone, something everyone can get their head around. Thank you both so much for being part of our coverage on this friday. Its wonderful to see both of you. A quick break, well be right back. What do we always say, son . Liberty mutual customizes your Car Insurance. So you only pay for what you need. Thats my boy. Stay off the freeways only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Every piece of land has a story written by those who work it. Like the caggianos, who are brewing their own legacy. Or the wrens, with their drama free plot tranquil and serene. The upshaws . They diy, all the time. 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