Caught plotting flake electors. We must be prepared. To lobby our republican legislatures. How roger stone is responding tonight. And meet the judge who helped rollback your reproductive rights. Because doctors love looking at babies. When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york, im chris hayes, today Fulton CountyDistrict Attorney fani willis, who was prosecuting donald trump in 18 other criminals under Racketeering Charges announced her office is investigating threats against the grand jurors who indicted the ex president. Nbc News Reporter first reported yesterday that Trump Supporters leaked deported addresses of grand juries online. Along with their names which did appear in the indictment. And this is just the latest example of threatening behavior by Trump Supporters directed at the various people working to hold them accountable for the crimes he is accused of. We also learned yesterday that a texas woman was arrested. And charged with Making Threats towards judge tanya chutkan. Who is overseeing trumps federal january 6th trial. According to the criminal complaint, Abigail Joe Shuai left a threatening voice mail, intended for chuck and. She refers to the judge with a racial slur. Apparently saying quote, if trump does not get elected in 2024, we are coming to kill you so tread lightly before using another slur. She also targeted a Texas Democratic congresswoman. And local trump critics saying quote, we want to kill Sheila Jackson lee. Now when police questioned to talk to her. She stated she had no plans to travel to washington d. C. Or houston to carry out anything she stated. Adding that if Sheila Jackson lee comes to her hometown, then we need to worry. Get that . This woman, visited by the fbi, threatening congresswoman again, to them, to law enforcement. Couldnt help herself. And we have learned about all that in just the past two days, two days now if we go back last, week there is of course the case of the Armed Utah Man killed by federal agents. After he made very specific threats of violence against president biden. As well as District Attorney alvin bragg, when he threatened to shoot. Bag of course is the one Prosecuting Trump in the manhattan hush money case. I could spend the entire hour listing threats made by Trump Supporters against the ex president s perceived enemies. Fani willis says that she has been on the Receiving End of racist threats as well. And we can all see what is happening here. Threats happen in public life. They are not contained to one part of the ideological spectrum. I want to be clear about that. But what is happening here is part of a larger story. Part of a long history of violence as a former political power, wielded by donald trump in the moscow right. These are not just isolated incidents. This is coming from top down. Donald trump knows exactly what he is doing. When he goes on social media and shares a picture of judge chutkan with a post calling her an activist judge. Accusing her running election interference. Just today, the Trump Campaign released this video attacking special counsel jack smith for subpoenaing access to his twitter account. How dare a lowlife prosecutor, ranged jack smith breaking my former twitter account. Without informing me, and indeed trying to completely high disinterestedy from me. Its obvious what don trump is doing, what he is trying to cultivate, a sense of menace. The possibility of reprisal, retribution, violence, from his die hard supporters. When he calls the prosecutors calling him deranged, accusing him of committing an atrocity. This is me bending over backwards to be charitable. Lets say trump turns to be unbothered when his supporters make good on the implicit requests in his inflammatory language. I want to be clear, because i think this gets memory hold. Were not talking about hypotheticals or Thought Experiments were obstructions. A few months ago a qanon supporter bashed in the head of Nancy Pelosis elderly husband with a hammer after breaking into her house and describing how he was there for the speaker who he wanted to torture in her own home. That man, after that breakin, was then excused and defended, outright lied about by nearly everyone on the political right. From elon musk to donald trump himself. In the run up to the 2018, another thing that has been memory hold. A guy with the trump than who mailed pipe bombs, the didnt go off, but they were real pipe bombs, two prominent trump critics in the government and media. There was also the as yet on caught pipe bonner another thing that is memory holed, in the early hours of january six who tried to, with actual bombs, blow up the dnc and the rnc the night before january 6th. Of course there was january six itself, when Trump Supporters stormed the capitol and attempted to over turn the government. Some insurrectionist constructed a gallows, chanting they wanted to hang mike pence. Apparently top trump thought that would not be such a bad idea. This is who donald trump has always been. His personal cowardice aside. A guy who thinks Political Violence is acceptable, unacceptable means to an end. A desirable one in some cases. Dont forget, he spent his first president ial campaign encouraging attendees to assault protesters. Ive got a notice in case you see. We have wonderful Security Guys who said mr. Trump, there maybe somebody with tomatoes in the audience. [laughter] so if you see somebody get ready to throw a tomato, not the crap out of, them when you . Seriously. [applause] i promise you, i will pay for the legal fees, i promise. So when trump posts to social media the picture of judge chutkan, lets call it what it is. He is obviously fomenting violence against judges and prosecutors. If something terrible happens, what are we going to conclude . Every warning sign is blinking bright red. And of course, yes, most Trump Supporters, the vast majority are not violent. They will do something violent. Even among those Making Threats, this shry woman, for example, most probably are not serious. Again, the vast majority. But this is kind of a numbers game here. Its a big country. So small percentage of them are. We know that to be true. Again, this is not an abstraction. No longer trump keeps exciting x inciting an agitating, its a roll of the days each time. The greater the odds are that that small group of people who could do something will do something. It only has to be a few. Dont trumps utilizing that reality to increase the cost of prosecuting him, to increase the cost of crossing him in the same way that a mafia boss would. He has been explicit. He posted himself, quote, if you go after me, im coming after you i am not a lawyer. I do not claim to know what council is actionable illegal sense. Furthermore the First Amendment is broad for a reason. As a journalist, i like that way. Put that aside. Morally the, morally, we all know what is happening. We all know who is culpable for what has already happened and what may be to come. Mark my words. George clooney is a conservative attorney and former republican. And is a whitecollar criminal Defense Attorney. Both join me now. George, im trying not to be histrionic here and Ring The Alarm Bell too much, but it does seem to me like just in terms of what we have seen in the past few days, that there is, ive got a real worry here about the combination of the president s words and rhetoric, the targeting of specific individuals, its not an abstraction, heres the judge, here is the prosecutor, here are the jurors, and what that means for the orderly administration of justice. What do you think . Youre not being histrionic and youre absolutely right. There is no doubt about it, this is what donald trump does. He wants to foment violence. He engages in what is called parallax this sometimes where he says one thing it would be terrible people would be so upset and this might happen and hes pretending not to be endorsing it but he is endorsing it. He does want it. The danger between what you are right to say that Political Violence can happen on both sides, any side, but the difference is, we have a political leader who was once president united states, who got 70 million votes or so in the last election, and he is fomenting the violence. Hes doing it quite purposely. He is a narcissistic sociopath. The shrinks arent allowed to say that, but you and i are, and we could look it up, and he is a man devoid of any social conscience whatsoever. Remember when he went to visit the synagogue in pittsburgh but was tragically attacked, he came back and all he would talk about, he tweeted, the first thing he tweeted, what a great reception he got. The lives dont mean anything to him. All it means, the only thing that means anything to him is his own wellbeing. He is now more desperate than ever, which is why he is doing all these things. Theres also a testing that is happening here, scott, in terms of, first of all, someone who was practicing in court, i just cant a mansion any other defendant out on bail doing this kind of thing and not being remanded. Am i crazy . Obviously its hard to compare apples to apples because the guys a past president and he has a platform. But what anyone else get away with . This of course not. No one would get away with it. I know that judges, the two federal judges into state judges are trying to balance the fact that hes running for office, and whether this is political speech or not this isnt political speech or taits beach. Itss Political Violence speech. And you simply cant have it because dont front is gonna learn one thing sooner than later, and his lawyers are. To the criminal Justice System and a federal judge a running his life right now, whether he believes it or not. Hes going to find out that is sitting federal judge has a lot more power than he has despite him having 30 or 40 of maggots borders. Heres what should happen. In order to violate a court order, the judges have to draft that order and tell him the political speech is one thing, but the administration of justice, attacking witnesses, influence injuries, is a whole another. You should not attack the state prosecutors or the state prosecutor. You may not do x, y, nze, because none of that has to do with running for office or defending yourself. Im going to put it in writing. If you do a, b, and see again, this is whats going to happen. Now try me. I have a Lifetime Appointment as a federal judge, and im more prepared to put you under house arrest, fine you civilly, or criminally lock you up until you get the message. These are the realities of the criminal Justice System. I think trump is ignoring it, or his lawyers cant control him, but this is his future. While hes out on bail, hes free, but in the criminal Justice System hes not likely to remain free. The other thing is, hes a criminal defendants. As judge chutkan said, mr. Trump, like every american, has the First Amendment right to free speech, but that right is not absolute. Hes a criminal defendant. Hes going to have restrictions like every single other defendant. Exactly. You dont, go to rikers, theres lots of people not out on bail who engaged in petty larceny. Theyre not out. They dont get to rail against the prosecutor. Youve got a lot of privilege to begin with. And george, to scotts point, what we are seeing is this testing. Im going to keep doing it, and im good to use the paralympic this, im going to use i didnt say it, i read tweeted, until you do something. What are you going to do . Im donald trump. Thats right. Thats what his lawyers will do, theyll push back on him but he wont listen. He doesnt believe that he will, that this will happen to him, and if it happens to him he thinks that his supporters will come to his rescue through their violence and intimidation. In fact, the point you should make us any other defendant would have been remanded already. A perfect example, the federal conditions of release issued by the Magistrate Judge in d. C. Say one of the conditions of release is that you not val violate any law, federal or state, and what did he do . Just the other day he went out there and said, he basically told a grand jury witness that grand jury witness, former Lieutenant Governor duncan in georgia, that witness should not appear before the grand jury. Thats interfering. Thats absolutely interfering with the grand jury investigation and obstructing, trying to intimidate a witness. Thats against the law. Its chris, whats really dame about this, i dont think donald trump is smart at all. Whats dom about this is, he keeps attacking judges in the prosecutors and the witnesses, but the judges and the prosecutors, when he gets convicted, and he would have to run the table to not be convicted on 91 counts, these are the same individuals that are going to recommend to a judge how much time he should get, whether hes president or not. I dont think hes going to be president. More importantly, hes attacking a judge that can lock him up. Those are the people are the last people he should be attacking. That may work for him to raise money, but legally, and right now the criminal Justice System is running his life. Those are the last two people you want to be attacking if you get convicted, because those state and federal judges, after going to trial or not pleading out, theyre going to lock you up. They have no compunction to sentence you. Scott, ive never had the pleasure of being your client, but thats sowed legal advice, i think. If you ever find yourself in any of the situations, George Conway and a. Scott bolden, thank you very much. Thank you. Coming up, don trumps lawyer says the public has a need, sorry, i couldnt even get through it, has a need for problems when it comes to his d. C. Trial. You will not believe when they think that trial should actually happen. But first, he has been a key part of every trump scheme for the last eight years. Roger stone is now on tape plotting trumps attempted coup. We will show that to you as well, next. Xt tonight we have new footage, courtesy of our colleagues at the beat with ari melber. Showing one of Donald Trumps oldest advisers dictating a plan to steal the election. Before the president ial race had a been called. Were going to play that for you in a bit. But first it is worth remembering exactly who that advisor is and what role he played in the attempted coup. Ill tell you about longtime republican operative roger stone, selfdescribed dirty trickster, a man with nixon tattooed on his back. Stones name has not come up much recently. Surprisingly he does not appear in either of the election related indictments of the ex president. He has been a key figure in Donald Trumps biggest plots. Ahead of the 2016 election roger stone was a go between for trump world and those seek to disseminate the illegally stolen emails. Stone admitted he had direct contract with contact with Julian Assange and wikileaks, which published the lakes he had hacked from democrats. I have communicated with assange. I believe the next tranche of documents pertain to the clinton foundation. But there is no telling what the actual October Surprise might be. Stone then lied to investigators, obstructed justice, it emitted witnesses in an attempt to keep the truth from coming out. Robert mueller brought criminal charges against stone in january, 2019, as part of his investigation of russian interference in the 2016 election. Stone was convicted of seven felonies by a jury of his peers and sentenced to over three years in prison. But likely, stone had a good buddy in the white house. Donald trump commuted his sentence just days before he was set to report to a federal prison. It was a massive controversy in july of 2020. We covered it here less than four months before the election. It might seem like an unforced political error, pardoning your former political body in the middle of your election campaign, but Roberts Roger stone had another job to do, when he couldnt do from behind bars. He became a linchpin in the effort to steal the 2020 election. In new footage we see stone had the playbook for the attempted coup as early as november 5th, 48 hours election a into days before joe biden was declared the winner. Listen to stone in this video, shut shot by a danish documentarian, an encrypted group chat to create false slates of electors. Although State Officials in all 50 states must ultimately certify the results of the voting in their state, the final decision as to who the State Legislatures authorize be sent to the Electoral College is a decision made solely by the legislature. Any legislative body may decide, on the basis of overwhelming evidence of fraud, to send electors to the Electoral College who accurately reflect the president s legitimate victory in their state was, which wise illegally denied him through fraud. We must be prepared to lobby our republican legislatures, by personal contact and by demonstrating the overwhelming will of the people in their state, in each state that this may need to happen. Not exactly the gettysburg address, but that is exactly what happened. Repub