January 6th certification process. The electors plot is one of the schemes that spans from trumps early efforts in the states to Wider National efforts to create confusion about the results, and it went all the way up to mike pence, all the way up to an attempted, ultimately thwarted pretext that was going to be presented by pence to help stage a coup on jan 6th. In essence it involved Fraudulent Electors or getting states to appoint Trump Electors in the states that biden won or was winning and try to send those to congress. Unlike some of the other plots that weve covered, this ones already at the center of three different cases, including indictments by dojs jack smith, plus the probes in michigan and now georgia, where d. A. Fani willis just charged several Trump Lawyers and aides for these types of plots as part of the larger rico conspiracy. That is why tonights scoop, this video, may be of interest in the two big cases led by these tough prosecutors who mean business. The defendants engaged in a Criminal Racketeering Enterprise to overturn georgias president ial election result. Conspireing to defraud the united states, conspireing to disenfranchise voters, and conspireing and attempting to obstruct an official proceeding. It was fueled by lies. We look at the facts. We look at the law, and we bring charges. Now, jack smiths doj indictment charges one person, Defendant Trump, for the coup conspiracy, and then cites these other coconspirators. They might be charged later. They might not. Willis indictment charges trump and 18 others. It also names further coconspirators who might be charged later and might not. Both of those cases, conspiracy and racketeering, treat these elector efforts as part of the larger criminal plot. We know trump aides were pushing versions of this out in the state as early as november 18th, 2020. Ken cheseboro put the plot in writing in early december. Rudy giuliani led a process to get trump fans to lie. The key point is the when many of those efforts that have been documented that we know about were picking up steam by early december, and the who, because top trump aides and lawyers have been identified in the elector fraud process, like giuliani, as mentioned, Boris Epshteyn who has not been charged, kenneth cheseboro, and theres another long time aide, machine who worked with trump longer than any of the people you see identified on your screen, and that brings us to the new tape im about to play for you. Theres a clue here about involvement by another individual who, according to what we can glean from both those Speaking Indictments has not been as firmly linked to these plots, though he was notably seen in washington with trump allies and some militias on january 6th. The person that im talking about in this video a former nixon aide, a selfdescribed Dirty Trickster and long time trump adviser roger stone. We identify him here for the first time in this plot tonight based on the hard evidence, not some tip or secondhand hearsay. So with the calendar and legal context in mind, we turn to the scoop. Were now going to play for you so you may listen to this new exclusive video, edited for clarity, as Roger Stone Works with an associate to dictate his plans and arguments for how they had a plan as early as early november thats how early this was in states that biden won or was winning where republican politicians would try to, quote, as stone puts it, send in electors who reflect President Trumps, quote, victory. Although State Officials in all 50 states must ultimately certify the results of the voting in their state, the final decision as to who the State Legislatures authorize be sent to the Electoral College is a decision made solely by the legislature. Any legislative body may decide on the basis of overwhelming evidence of fraud to send electors to the Electoral College who accurately reflect the president s legitimate victory in their state, which was illegally denied him through fraud. We must be prepared to lobby our republican legislalegislatures. My personal contact. And by demonstrating the overwhelming will of the people in their state in each state, that this may need to happen. That occurred and was caught on video november 5th, 2020. It is new to the world right now tonight. Stone dictated that extreme plan, as you saw there, to his associate on the computer. And it was not only earlier than some of those other trump figures plans, i mentioned, some of which are part of indictments and looming trials. Let me make a clear point about this exclusive here on the beat tonight. That was before the president ial race had been called for biden. This is important, take a look. Stone pushing the elector plot as you just saw with your own eyes all the way back on november 5th, 2020. Thats a shot of the video on the left we have broken as news tonight. People had voted but the race had not been called. It was two full days later, november 7th, 2020, when the numbers and nonpartisan outlets called for biden the white house. That hurts that these officials were acting in a good faith they won. Indeed, this particular piece of evidence, this video shows quite the opposite for stone. He was pushing the plot not because he believed trump won or was looking at the numbers or because the results were called. That hasnt happened yet. Regardless of the results that werent in, he was pushing this plot. Stones words on video were early a month before now indicted Ken Cheseboro penned the memo outlining the plot, long been Rudy Giuliani was recruiting those people. The video is by a danish documentarian christian gullbranson. It does not address if or how stone took actions beyond what he said there. In other words, was he just talking . Was he just writing . Or did he also join what jack smith calls a conspiracy . We know some other individuals who did more things along these lines are unindicted coconspirators or indicted Racketeering Conspirators in georgia this week. Stones representative declined to comment on this new video and story when reached by msnbc today. So this already is a lot. Then you put it in the wider context that we know. Because while it started wherever it started in early november, eventually we saw trump aides, during a period where the whole world was moving on, everyone was referring to president elect biden and people didnt know there was an insurrection coming we saw signs trump aides were trying to do things in the states with elector plots, Fraudulent Elector plots, talk of alternate slates. That in hindsight looked worse, are part of indictments. Take a look. We have more than enough time to right the wrong of this fraudulent election result and certify donald trump as the winner of the election. As we speak today, an alternate slate of electors in the contested states is going to vote, and were going to send those results up the congress. What we seek here is verifiable ballots, certifiable ballots. Until we do that, our assumption is the second trump term. A second trump term. That was the public push. We also know it came after the secret lawyering, some of which now is being treated by prosecutors, at least in georgia, as indicted racketeering, not valid lawyering. So, the timing matters. And again, i want to show thank you other context, because there was one other earlier message that the January 6th Committee exposed as early as donald trump jr. Reaching now indicted Chief Of Staff meadows. That was on november 5th, where they talked about having states step in, put their own quote, reference to what you see there as a separate slate of Trump Electors. This was november 5th before it was called. Film Video Evidence states the plot around that week. The trials will ultimately resolve that, and everyone accused is legally presumed innocent. What we see in this video airing for the first time is another piece, at least of the puzzle, whether thats a criminal puzzle or not is up to prosecutors, the law, and ultimately juries to decide. But it sure is bad, sure is incriminating for people trying to say, all they wanted to do was get to the real results or act on a good faith belief. If you are trying to steal or overthrow an election you hadnt even officially lost yet. Now, this was a big scoop, and we are indebted to christopher gullbrandenson, the Documentary Filmmaker who obtained that footage. Welcome to the beat tonight. Thank you, thank you for having me. You were doing this work, Documentary Makers obviously gather all kinds of final over time, and much of it doesnt always make it very far into the films you make. Some of these events look quite different after jan 6th, after this weeks georgia indictment. Given that were quoting this video from you, walk us through what you think it shows and when you realized you had something, because in early november before the race was called, it might have just looked to some like one more email being dictated. Well, i think we already realized when we were recording that this was something spectacular. I picked up roger stone at his home on november 5th, two days after the election, and i expected him to be somewhat downtrodden over the results, and biden had consolidated his lead by then. But as we drove to his workplace, he was completely with energy, on the phone restarting stop the steal, mobilizing people for the effort that we saw eventually culminating on january 6th. So i mean, you talk about journalism as the first draft of history, but this film and this opportunity to record this felt like i mean, its history as it unfolds, so in that sense we had a strong feeling of witnessing something very wrong but also with a historic perspective. Yeah, thats very well put. I want to you stay with me. Weve plotted and plans some time here to get into this. We have a former federal prosecutor for the legal part of it, John Flannery. Welcome. I went through the context. Let me play the short bite where we hear roger stone talk about his view, this is two days before the election was even called that any legislative body could overrule anything. Take a look at the short excerpt from what we saw. Any legislative body may decide to send electors to the Electoral College who accurately reflect the president s legitimate victory in their state. John, others have been indicted for related efforts. What do you see in this video . Do you think prosecutors would want it . Do you think its incriminating . Oh, absolutely, and what christian just said, which nails it down, is they knew that hed lost the election before it was announced, and thats why they began these initiatives then. In the weeks and months beforehand, they had to know what was going on. These guys are old hands at this, particular through stone. And so any prosecutor would take this to show knowledge and intent before the memos. And i think the memos are the lyrics for the songs these guys were already singing immediately after the election. Two days later hes dictating this memo, and at one point i understood this went to fos, Friends Of Stone. I dont know whos on that list, but thats important. Theres a circulation of some sort, which is effective or infective. But judging by the conduct after that, by the people who are going out doing what is prescribed in that dictated memo, we know that theyre already pulling together. And then to have the president s son basically breaking out the elements that conform with what stone is sending. So i think its powerful. I think it would be powerful for any of the cases that are pending, certainly smiths, certainly georgia. Interesting if i may add that raises questions about yeah, well let me do this. I wanted to say it raises questions about any contact you had with investigators. Youre outside jurisdiction in a way, as well as whos on that stones friends list. Were a quarter of the way into our hour. Im going put our shortest break up, 60 seconds and ask you to respond when were back in one minute. One minute the final decision as to who the State Legislatures authorize be sent to the Electoral College is a decision made solely by the legislature. You must be prepared to lobby or republican legislatures. Trump ally roger stone there, a long time adviser to the former president now in newly obtained video this is an exclusive we obtained tonight, and youre hearing him say lobby the republican legislatures. That was two days before the race was called, which is significant for many reasons. Our special coverage of this continues now. The Documentary Filmmaker behind this and John Flannery. Our coverage continues. We were curious if you had any knowledge about who that was being sent to and whether you have had contact with u. S. Law enforcement of any kind about your work as well as anything else you wanted to share. Yes, first off, i think its very important who stone was communicating to, and as you just mentioned before, there was this encrypted chat Group Called Friends of stone, or fos. There were 47 members of this group. It included ali alexander, enrique otero, Stewart Rhodes, and a number of other people who came to play a key part in the January 6th Storm of the capitol. So hes communicating directly with the individuals who ends up being at the forefront of the attack at the capitol. But not only that let me slow you down on that point. I know i asked multiple questions, but i just want to slow you down. Some of the individuals you named are convicted seditionists. Some are serving long prison sentences. Since you raise that and were talking about this, that shows some of the coup efforts being shared with them, that is a trump ally telling them about this process with the states. Did you see or observe anything that suggested the other flow of information, that they were telling him about violent plotting or storming the capitol in advance of the 6th . Well, i think one of the interesting facts that was uncovered by the January 6th Committee was some of this communication i believe that Stewart Rhodes actually used the Friends Of Stone f. O. S. Chat group during the attack on the capitol where he texted groups about an entrance that was open. So i think theres been some back and forth that has been documented. But the important there are two important points in this, i think. These individuals moved on immediately in the days after to pressure the State Legislators in georgia and other states just as instructed or encouraged. Thats the one point i think is important to make. Then another thing for me that is very, very crucial is that in the day after january 6th, from january 6th and until Inauguration Day on the 20th of january, stone was horrified that he would be arrested. He was absolutely convinced that he would be one of the first to be arrested. Of course that raises the question, why . Interesting, wow. I was with him as he wrote President Trump pleading for preemptive pardon, and that was his entire focus. And of course on the 20th when he realized that his friend trump wasnt going to pardon him, he had a complete meltdown. Thats interesting you say he had a meltdown. He obviously had his reasons of what he was worried was going to come out. Ill add to your reporting to say of course he was seeking his second use of the pardon power. He had his prior sentence commuted. Hed be in now if trump hadnt pardoned him. Quickly, have you heard from Law Enforcement . Yes, we had the fbi visit us In Copenhagen and had a number of meetings with them, but as a journalist and as a filmmake earthquake im reluctant to take part in it, in a criminal investigation. So i mean, thats basically why im here today. I think its important to share that information, but i prefer by doing it, yeah, at your show, ari, to be honest. Yeah, no, i understand the distinction, and theres a difference between when journalists open their files, notes or otherwise, theres a large body of law on that as we know. When was that contact with the fbi . That was in that was in the spring of 22. We also had a long a long conversation and discussions with the congressional committee, to the January 6th Committee. Yeah. John, im running over on time because weve done the video and gathered a lot of information here. But john your reaction to what else you think is important on this . Well, christopher pointed out something important about the memo, and its understated but once you know whos getting it, he makes a point of contacts and pressuring in the body of the memo. And so that fits perfectly whos on the fos list. And so thats pretty strong stuff. And then i think stone was also camped out at that hotel in washington over a period of time so that theres a picture here we have had in part and now were filling in more of the details. The details are quite incriminating. Christopher, id like to thank you. Id like to, for the accuracy, i was at the hotel filming as well with roger stone, and he was not part of that war room group. I mean, he was surrounded by oath keepers. They were in his room. Most of them are today in prison. But he wasnt part of the john eastman war room. Understood. Those were multiple hubs we have been tracking and youre making a factual distinction about where he was versus the other me