The criminal indictment weve covered in manhattan, florida, and washington, d. C. Mr. Trump continuing his unrelenting attacks against d. A. Fani will is throughout the morning, claiming that this prosecution is the latest, quote, witch hunt against him. Mr. Trump is also promising a press conference next monday morning, where he is going to release some reports that he says it will improve there was Election Fraud despite multiple court cases, saying he won the presidency fair and square. And the campaign as with previous indictments have addressed a flurry of Fundraising Emails to try to turn this latest legal woe to financial gain. Garrett haake is here, katie phang, Chuck Rosenberg, msnbc legal analyst lisa ruben and former fbi general counsel. Chuck rosenberg, power panel, and i will start with you if i can. When i read this social media post by donald trump, he promised a large complex and detailed report by monday, to refute this indictment. Is it bound with footnotes and where you could go, i wonder, is his team now scrambling to come up with the report . What do we know about it . Very little. I mean look, tolkien wrote large complex and detailed volumes too and they were fiction and i cant imagine anything in this report would be anything other than that and the facts that donald trump wants here just dont exist, there were dead people in florida, or georgia, or florida for that matter, voting in the numbers that he would need to make this work, there were young people that werent out of state people, and there werent ballots stuffed in machines, i mean if you go back and listen to the hourlong phone call that donald trump and mark meadows made to the Secretary Of State here in georgia, which has been kind of reduced on air so many times about finding the 11,000 plus votes needed to win in the state, there is every conspiracy under the sun presented at that time more than two years ago, looking for something that would provide exactly what donald trump describes in that truth social post, evidence that would exonerate him, and at no point in the intervening years has that evidence been produced and i dont anticipate it will be produced on monday. What hes going to present on monday is a huge question mark, but it will not be what he says it is, it simply doesnt exist. Garrett haake, thank you very much. Lets talk about the scope of this indictment. I mean 19 people in total. Multiple different counts. It goes through emails and text messages, and phone calls, and tweets, things that taken individually dont look like criminal problems but taken as a whole, the prosecution argues is a criminal organization, Furthering A Criminal Effort to overturn the election. Because it is so big, is that risky for d. A. Fani willis . The answer, im going to be a lawyer, yes and no. So the yes is you want to present a clear, clean story that is not too complicated, such as enron, it was complicated and how do you present that to a jury, thats the risk, but as fani willis herself said about bringing a rico charge, is she wants to pren the whole picture to the jury of what happened, you know, and i do think it is the right approach, which is speak up to a jury, you know, you dont have to dumb things down, they should rely on their common sense, so here, this does encapsulate in brief, frankly, everything that they know that happened. Do they run the risk though, of a jury or a juror saying, isnt his right to try to investigate stuff, isnt his right to say whatever he wants . Why is this criminal . Yes, so absolutely, it is his right to say whatever he wants publicly, and that goes to the press conference he has, it may be fiction, as garrett said, thats totally fine, thats what he is entitled to do, it is acting on it, or speaking in a way that furthers a crime that is a problem, so for instance, the charges that are making a false statement, or perjury, those are pure word crimes, those are just and everybody under the sun knows that that is a crime, and theyre prosecuted every day of the week, so it doesnt even require action. I also think that going big here, the big difference between this and what jack smith did is jack smith had unindicted coconspirators, these are indicted coconspirators. This is Holding People to account for what they did, and if you think about what the january 6th trials have been, that is Holding People to account, who are the foot soldiers. This is so important to the rule of law, because if you dont want to just look at the very top, which is donald trump, but what about all of the enablers, it is really important that theyre being held to account. And one of the reasons that weve all been discussing and learning from you, and Chuck Rosenberg, and lisa and other lawyers, is jack smith has a time, his clock is running, because after the election, if hes the nominee, if he is elected, he cannot only, you know, dissolve the case, he is pardon himself, that has to be tested but but there are a number of ways for it to go away, she has the advantage of a State Prosecutor and it cant be pardoned, and in georgia, the governor cant do that, and all of these other nuances, but you also expressed your own concern, lets say, as a prosecutor, former prosecutor, about the size of it. 19 codefendants. How she could ever bring that up to trial so quickly. So do you expect that some of these will fall by the wayside, and will come up with plea deals, and will be some of those unindicted coconspirators, the federal case, she and jack smith will Work Together to clear the deck with some sort of a universal agreement, and create these these witnesses, these insiders. Two points. I dont anticipate that there will be a trial of 19 people in one trial. That is a nightmare for the government, and it is totally a good thing for the defense, and just imagine, 19 Defense Lawyers and the havoc he had can create. But i think to your point about the pardon power, that is where it is true that donald trump, if he becomes president again, has that power, but not as to the other 18 people, to your point, katy, who are just charged. Those people are going to be tried. And they have a real problem. Because they cant count on a pardon on donald trump, whether he wins or not, whether an ally of donald trump wins or not. They have the classic problem of a defendant who has been charged trying to decide, do i face the music, or do i decide that i want to be on the other side of the v, in other words on the other side of that, the United States side or this case the state side. Katy and i were talking before we went on the air, when we read the jack smith indictment, they are very, different. Jack smith is like, i dont want to say a beach read, but very readable. You can follow it. Last week was a beach read for me. To be nerds. She was literally on the beach reading it. This is a little tougher. Yes. And i wonder if that is just the difference between a State Indictment and a federal indictment and the way they usually read, is there because there are so many more people involved in this one as opposed to just one, does a more complex story necessarily mean that it is a tougher prosecution . No, not at all. Barbara was on the air last night talking about how she would prosecute the case, the way the indictment is laid out is chronological so it doesnt lend itself to the easy narrative that you are talking about but you can separate the overlapping schemes into different buckets, yes, there is a Fake Electors Scheme, but theres also the pressure campaign, theres false statements and litigation filings, theres false statements to legislative hearings that were used to try to Pressure Georgia legislators to come back in a special session. So there are definitely stories here, you just have to sort of disaggregate the chronological story and put them in their proper bucket with what these people are trying to accomplish and with whom, and then think about it all together, to serve the common purpose of overthrowing the election for donald trump. Donald trump already tried to get the case pushed to federal court. It didnt succeed. Is there a chance that this one might get pushed to federal court. There is certainly a chance that he will try to get it pushed to federal court. Mine there is a statute that permits a federal officer acting within the scope of his or her duty to petition to have a case removed from state to federal court. He has a better argument here than he did in the new york case. I dont think he has a great argument here. Because at the end of the day, committing a fraud is not within the scope of a president s duties. So will they argue it . Absolutely. Do they have a slightly better argument than they had in new york, to have it removed, i believe so. Will they succeed . I doubt it. Chuck, i also want to say, what tim said, now representing bernie caric, when he told us this past hour about Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell and what the lawyer told me to dork the lawyer told me to do it, lets watch. Based on my representation of multiple people, and not just the president but also bernie caric, i will say that Sidney Powell is one of those lawyers that everything ive seen, she was putting out theories that she didnt have any backup for, and that was actually one of the things that, you know, this indictment makes it seem like Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell were shoulder to shoulder. Everything ive seen is actually quite the opposite. Weve seen some of these players first of all, beginning to separate, and is the lawyer made me do it, you know, is that a risky defense, because it could be waiving the attorneyclient privilege and opening a whole can of worms . First question first, andrea, you often see codefendants begin to separate. They had Different Levels of culpability and Different Levels of exposure, and to andreas point, some of them make a calculation earlier than others that they would rather be on the other side of the equation. With respect to an advice of Counsel Defense, its a real thing, i dont know that it is going to be available here in the way that mr. Trump and some others might like, it requires a couple of things that may be a little bit painful for them. For one, you have to wave attorneyclient privilege. So all of the advice they had gotten and all of the communications that each of the defendants have had with whatever lawyers they want to point to is going to get turned over to the government. That could make their lives, the defendants lives harder, not easier. And second, oversimplifying a bit, in order to have a reliance on Counsel Defense, you have to act in good faith. We talked about this quite a bit when the second jack smith indictment was unsealed. Theres a lot of bad faith in that indictment. Theres a lot of people who told mr. Trump, and he is the lone defendant, of course, in that federal case, that his Fake Electors Scheme was unlawful, that he had no good faith basis to do what it was he wanted to do. Without a good faith basis, an advice of Counsel Defense is doomed to fail. Can they try it . Sure, they can try it. But i think its going to be a very bumpy path for a number of the people who might otherwise wish to rely on that at trial. Let me go from the legal to the logistical, because it is very clear that over the course of the last ten days, at some point, all 19 of these defendants are expected to show up and theyre going to be the mug shots are going to be done, they will get their fingerprints done, what do the 10 days look like where you are right now . How is that going to unfold . Well, we had an increasing amount of security outside of the Fulton County courthouse in advance of just the sealing of an indictment or indictments plural, at the end, as we know, it ended up being only one, but consider the following, 19 codefendants all having to surrender themselves all before noon on friday, august 25th. What does that look like . The Surrender Process in and of itself is different than the arraignment. Weve seen this happen before. Former President Trump claiming that he can go and get it dealt with and he didnt have local counsel in the miami case and what is kind of the difference here, he already has local counsel on the ground. He has been using local counsel for a while. That makes the timing very different. But if you are the police, if you are the court deputies, if you have the chief judge here, youre going to try to minimize the exposure of risk or harm to any of the people in light of Something Like donald trump showing up here. But if you dont show up, then we are going to make sure this is clear. There are already arrest warrants that have been issued for all 19 of these codefendants, including donald trump, and if they dont show up, they can be considered fugitives from the law, and they could be arrested and held until they have been brought in front of a judge to address their bond status and explain why they didnt show up. Although there is a lot of peril at hands for these defendants and ignore the fact that theyre facing an indictment in Fulton County right now. Fascinating. Thank you so much katie phang, and Chuck Rosenberg and andrew weissmann. And moments ago, President Biden announced that he and First Lady Jill Biden are going to visit hawaii to see the damage from the most deadly wildfire in u. S. History. It came as he was speaking at an event talking about his Inflation Reduction Act in milwaukee. Lets watch. We got to talk a little bit about hawaii. Weve been on the phone with the governor coming up here, and let me say, in the devastating wildfires, some of which are still burning in hawaii, that the claim of lives of 99 people so far and they havent cleaned things up, the deadliest wildfire in more than 100 years, a whole city destroyed, generations of Nativen Hawaii has been turned into ruin. And i talked to the governor and said they will have what they need from the federal government. And we have a declaration assistance, and they will get what they need, getting aid into the hands of those who have daechtly needed it, who have lost loved ones and livelihoods and damaged in this storm. And think about this. All that area, they dont know how many bodies, they dont know whats left, and imagine being a mom or a dad, wondering where your child. Is imagine being a husband or a wife, a mother or father, it is really tough stuff. Almost 500 federal personnel have been deployed to plawy. Some communities of survivors to get back on their feet. Fema, Search And Rescue teams are sifting through the ashes. In that fivemile area that you have seen on television. It is painstaking work. It takes time. It is nervewracking. Most of the things cant be moved million it is done. My wife jiff and i will be traveling to hawaii as soon as i can. And i dont want to get in the way of it, i there are too many Disaster Areas and i want to make sure they get everything they need and we want to assure that we dont disrupt recovery efforts. The best that we have ever had, jill was on the ground and back in the states, and i had directed her to streamline the process as quickly as possible. And help register survivors from needs federal assistance without delay. Today, fema has approved 50,000 meals, and water, 500 beds, 10,000 blankets, and as well as other Shelter Supplies for survivors, who have lost their homes. We have authorized onetime payments of 700 per household, to folks who have been displaced so they can do the immediate things, taking care of medications and prescriptions that they so badly need. Were working with the state to make sure survivors that have lost their homes have a place to call home until they can rebuild. Were also sending federal personnel to the state to help the brave firefighters and first responders, many of them who lost their own homes, their properties, while theyre out busting their neck to save other people. How many have been impacted, still working around the clock to put the fires out and evacuate survivors to safety and find the missing. Ive ordered all available federal assets on the island to assist local crews including the u. S. Coast guard and the third fleet and the u. S. Army. In the immediate aftermath the coast guard and Navy MaritimeSearch And Rescue operation, the Army Helicopters helped Fire Suppression efforts on the big old, because there is still burning on the big ide, not the one where you have seen on television all the time. The Search And Rescue personnel are there. There are so Many Organizations to thank, like the american red cross, helping survivors, missing loved ones, and cell phone providers, tier one first responders, to make and respond to emergency calls. Commercial airlines that have Evacuated Tens Of Thousands of people from the island. The list goes on. And the Small Business nation has dozens of staff on the island, and have begun making low interest federal disaster loans available to a wide number of businesses, homeowners and renters and nonprofits to help them begin to rebuild, to get by for the immediate near term.