with alicia menendez. >> thank you so much reverend sharpton. menendez hello everyone, i'm alicia menendez, coming and they are tonight with breaking news l of maui, where the death toll has risen to 93. sadly, officials fear that number will rise. these are now the deadliest wildfires in modern u.s. history. here's hawaii's governor, josh greene, earlier today, on msnbc. >> if they need, they need our love. they need our embrace, and they need resources. right now, we are still in the throes of the acute phase of this recovery. meaning that we are still recovering the tragic loss of life, and the bodies that were, that were previously -- here in hawaii. it's a war zone. >> as the death toll rises, and rescue recovery efforts expand, there's also a growing push for accountability across hawaii, three law firms have already filed a class action suit against the electric company on maui, claiming the wildfires could have been avoided if the utility company had turned off powerlines ahead of the wind storm that sparked the fires. another high priority at this, our getting essential's like food, water, clothing, and wi-fi to those who have been displaced. >> we're doing this as one big family, one big -- . and that's our mission right, now is to support the people who really need it. but right now, we are connecting all supplies, all non perishable food, all gas, all propane, all close, all food, everything you have. >> there is good news to bring, even in the thick of all of this devastation. u.s. coast guard has rescued 17 people from the waters off maui. they have a jump, to escape the flames. the coast guard had also located 40 others, who went missing. later this hour, we will take you live to maui for an update, including on how those relief efforts are going, with representative from world central kitchen, so stick around that. but first, let's turn to georgia. this week, we could see a fourth indictment handed down to former president donald trump. fulton county d a fani willis will resent her case to the grand jury, starting tomorrow. at least two witnesses are ordered to appear tuesday. georgia's former lieutenant governor, and a freelance journalist, who stumbled into a meeting of alternate gop electors at the georgia capitol, on december 2020. also, georgia election official gabriel sterling, said today he will testify again, if asked. sterling oversaw the 2020 vote count, and repeatedly debunked trump's claims of fraud. >> i testified before a special grand jury, and two interviews with the d.a.'s officers. my lawyers haven't said i can much about one, one way or the other. but if i am called, when i'm called, i will go and do it before. i will tell the truth, answer honestly. that's all we can do in the situation. >> joining now to discuss, msnbc legal analyst lisa reuben, an msnbc political contributor greg -- . he is a political reporter for the atlantic journal of constitution, and author of the book, flipped, on georgia politics. -- according to reporting, we could see the nine as early as tuesday evening. help us understand that timeline, and who might be involved? >> yeah, well it could be a multi defendant indictment. we've expected this sort of time period to be in the crosshairs for a long time. but now we have it on the record, now that the former lieutenant governor jeff duncan -- they journalist above said that they've been called in to testify behind crow closed doors. on tuesday, that sets up the situation of a scenario where we could hear from fani willis, the district attorney, as early as tuesday, that there could be indictments against donald trump. and, some of his key allies. remember, about 18 target letters, at least 18 target letters were sent to the orbit around donald trump. so, we could be seeing indictments of many of his closest allies as well here, in georgia. >> lisa, this may seem very one-on-one to you. i think a lot of us are curious. take us inside that courtroom, what is it that members of the grand jury are going to be hearing? is it akin to closing arguments in a trial? what is laid out for them, at this point in the game? >> basically, the prosecutors are going to establish for them, what are the elements of the charges that they intend to bring against which defendants. and then, they're going to walk them through, and maybe a polymerase or ancillary way, the evidence that they have against each of them. it's certainly less involved than an actual trial. and the other thing that the grand jury has an opportunity to do, that -- or what we consider typical jurors, don't it's two asked questions to those prosecutors, one on one, one at a time, sort of in the last form of a sphere. but that's what we should expect to happen. they can also asked questions, of the witnesses themselves. and so, we should expect that some of those who have particularly compelling stories to tell, they may engage in some back and forth with the grand jurors here. and, particularly given what we heard from former four of -- the special grand jury emily kohrs, that may be something where we got some back and forth, between the grand jurors and the witnesses. >> greg, text messages filed in a separate lawsuit show trump's attorney, sydney powell, organized a visit to the coffee county election offices. what do we know about that part of the story? >> yeah, we've known for a while that the coffee county was under the microscope of what happened on. there is a little georgia county, very deeply conservative, trump country down there. it was not a very close election. but we know that the team of trump supporters, and data analysts, they had hired, entered the coffee county elections boardroom, took and spent hours and they are copying voting data, -- was caught on surveillance footage, certain security. that data was stuck -- to conspiracy theorists in the county, pro trump conspiracy theorists. so we know that's under the microscope. we are not of course or that will be involved in the indictment, but we know that fani willis and her investigators 14, have been closely looking at what happened -- . >> when i asked one of our other legal analyst, lisa rubin, what this indictment might look like, she described it as chapters. that instead of laying out one ruling, either a big narrative that will take this piece by piece, i wonder when you look at these text messages, in this separate lawsuit, if you have any sense of where they might factor in in those indictment chapters? >> you're talking about the text messages themselves? i think the coffee county narrative is, as you are the legal guests explained to you, sort of part of a number of overlapping conspiracies. we used to think about what happened after the 2020 election, as successive stories. and we know now, through the federal indictment, through the january six committee hearings and other evidence, that actually, there were a number of sort of overlapping conspiracies that meet, in sort of one big event diagram. i expect that's how the george indictment will look. there were no people working together, and separately, on different elements of the plot, with the overlying objective to grant the presidency to donald trump, illegitimately, at the end of the day, alicia. >> greg, you have trump running an attack at against a willis -- i'm not going to make our audience watch that. talk us through what we know about security at the courthouse, how officials in atlanta are preparing, what it is that you are watching for. >> we know that the former president has tried to undermine and undercut the, and destabilize this investigation from the get-go, as well as the other investigations. we know that the d.a. has talked openly about the threats she has faced, the racial epithets, the other slurs hurled against her. we know that she is under an intense security. there is security barricades around the courthouse, the streets are shut down. there are staffers who are working virtually starting last week we also know that there's a number of other measures to be taken right now they don't want to talk about, because they don't want to give it away to those who might seek to do harm. in her >> lisa, nbc asked the former president trump yesterday, i'm sure you sought, if he intended to overturn the 2020 election. and his snarky response was, you know the answer to that. and i wondered, as i watched that, given the protective order and so much more what prosecutors might make of that remark. >> that remark is hard to make something else, right. it's like the rorschach test of political responses. you see and it what you want to see and it. if you are inclined to believe that president trump intended to steal or overturn the election, you saw it one way. and if you believe that president trump was solely trying to vindicate the real results of the election, which is to prevent it from being stolen by democrats, you saw what you want to see into it there. i don't think that the response comes close to violating either the terms of the protective order, which really is about how you deal with evidence of the case, or even president trump's conditions of release, which more broadly covered witness intimidation, tampering with the jury pool, or other attempts to obstruct the administration of justice. however, to i think that his renewed focus on president biden, and somehow insinuate that joe biden is behind the effort to prosecute him, when all evidence to the contrary, could get him in trouble? i do, and i'll be watching to see how his social media communications evolve over the next days and weeks, particularly given that his lawyer, john -- promised to check it in court last, week that his client would abide both by the conditions of release, and whatever protective orders she entered. >> yeah, it is going to be a very busy week. craig lisa, thank you for being with us for the start of. it next, with trump's indictments clogging the headlines, democrats of the plan to flip the script. we're gonna take you live to maui, and the side of the deadliest wildfire in modern u.s. history. a humanitarian crisis, unfolding before us, -- and the world central kitchen is on the ground, working to help, and joins us after this. and joins us after this. businesses need 5g solutions today. that's why they choose t-mobile for business. mlb partners with t-mobile to not only enhance the fan experience, but to advance how the game is played. aaa relies on t-mobile's network to stay connected nationwide, so they can help get their members back on the road. and we're helping pano ai innovate, to stop the spread of wildfires. now's the time to see what america's largest 5g network can do for your business. rsv is in for a surprise. meet arexvy. 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this why did this say hunter biden is part of the family? theamican people don't trust the department of justice, they don't trust the intelligence agencies. >> joining me now is msnbc political contributor mack daddy, seat is a chief strategist for the bush cheney campaign. also alencia johnson a political strategist and former biden campaign senior advisers. good to see you both. it's crystal clear what republicans are trying to do. trying to create a symmetry and the legal troubles of these two candidates that does not actually exist, and then they are doubling down on their core message of injure undermining it institutions like our intelligence audience is, the department of justice all of the above. my question is, is it is as clear to voters as it is to us? >> well, i think it's clear to most of the voters that will vote in the generally election, it's certainly not clear to voters that will vote in the republican primary. as i listen to that from nikki haley, and i listen to that from ron desantis, what you realize is that donald trump kind of put the biggest hole in the ship of democracy, he certainly recruited a whole bunch of other people to put more holes in the ship. that's why i think we are at a time when yes donald trump's a puck proximate danger to democracy is to tayshawn's of justice in the rule of law. but he's got a lot of recruits now the scene just as dangerous as he is, and i think that's what is most concerning in the country today and the state of our democracy. >> i'm not sure if you had any the chance to watch reverend hal sharpton's conversation with vice president kamala harris. but she really make the case that democracy is on a ballot, it is a thing that she stays up and worries about, and she may not be prosecuting the case against donald trump directly talking with his legal woes, but she is under lining what the stakes of this election are. >> i think she is absolutely right. i did have a chance to watch that interview, but i've seen her speak over and over about this issue. even before the mainstream media has been having this conversation of making a connection that this is what trump is doing is undermining the democracy. this is been the crux of her argument, and this is what we are voting for in 2024. in addition to the fact that the republicans are going after our institutions, they're also going after our freedoms, that express our positions, whether it's voting rights, or women's rights. all of these things are put together in his fight for democracy. i appreciate what you said at the beginning of the segment that these are two different types of comparison that unfortunately the republicans are trying to make the same. and it actually allows them airtime to talk about something that isn't their plan for the economy, that isn't their plan for health care, because the reality is, they don't necessarily have a plan that is popular with general election voters. >> they don't believe that they're gonna actually win this on policy. mac, there are some, sumptuous p candidates who are trying to pull a pull back base back from trumpism. take a listen. >> if we can't have these honest debates within the republican party that we are not going to be able to ensure that this trend that has been happening for the last 20 years, where republican has lost the national vote, for 20 years, that shouldn't be the case, and we should be honest and look at ourselves. donald trump is a liar, donald trump is a loser, and donald trump is a national security threat to the united states of america. >> it's easy to contextualize donald trump within the republican party of 2024 win or lose, but there long term consequences for the party of course. and for america if the gop continues to stick with donald trump? >> yeah, but i don't think they have suffered enough and the republican party is not suffered enough to understand that completely. they lost in 2018, they lost in 2020, and they lost most of the races in 2022, but they don't seem to have lost enough to have learned that fundamental lesson. god bless will hurd and chris christie in asia hutchison for trying to push back and a few republicans trying to push back and speak the truth. the problem is they are speaking to a republican party which is where they are seeking votes for the primary in the nomination that doesn't actually want to hear the truth. that has no desire to hear about what donald trump said not in the course of his time that he's beaten a national stage. and so that is the problem that they get into. yes it's important that they speak that truth. the problem is they are not going to change minds of people have no desire to hear that truth. >> it just strikes me that republicans are so mired in the depth of this primary that they're not looking forward to the general having a conversation about what we will take to swing those voters. meanwhile, that is what president biden is laser-like focused on. we have new msnbc news reporting that sent billions of dollars in highway, rich and green energy projects are in the works, courtesy of bills passed earlier in the presidents term. for now though arizonans are largely driving in the same congested road, sweating in the same 110-degree summary, shelling at nearly $4 for a gallon of gas and wondering when the white house says lofty promises of economic transformation renewal ever materialize. last week when i interviewed biden harris reelect campaign manager julia rodriguez, she said i think is soon as people begin to feel these economic realities and benefits that will shift. but there's messaging work that has to be done alencia. how do you close that gap between what the biden administration is done specifically when it comes to infrastructure investment and what it is that voters feel? >> you know, the reality is and most of us know that the time it takes for policies to become reality takes a little bit of time. it can potentially take a cycle. i think the biden harris campaign is understanding that, that's why they're going under calling on the road, talk about the one you're inflation reduction act, talking about some of the benefits people of started to see and feel, where that is tied to some of the presidents policy. this is an opportunity for the campaign to say listen, if you want to see some of these results a little bit faster, if you want to see some of these promises come to life, we actually need for you to not only send us back into the white house but ensure that we have a congress that will not diminish some of the key pieces of this legislation in order to get political gains versus ensuring that the american people are feeling in their pocketbooks. the reality is that unemployment has been under 4% for 18 months. that is very historic. again, there is a lot of messaging work that has to happen but the biden harris campaign there on the road talking about this. the other thing they are also talking about is how republicans are not necessarily understanding of the losses that they have had, so they are going to continue to lean on those issues and whether lost in 2020. to >> matt and alencia, thank you so much as always for being with us on sunday. coming up, we shift our focus to ohio where voters just make clear about how they feel about gop politicians trying to take away their rights. party chair jennifer waters what comes next. right after this break, a live update from maui where the death toll has risen. as it's already the deadliest wildfire in modern u.s. history. u.s history. t 7th to the 13th. get a free tech check and special offers. like a free 5g phone. plus, switch, keep your number, and get up to $300 off. with verizon business. it's your business. it's your verizon. you didn't live this strong, this long to get put on the shelf like a porcelain doll. if you have postmenopausal osteoporosis and are at high risk for fracture, you can build new bone with evenity®. ask your doctor if you can do more than just slowing down bone loss with evenity®. want stronger bones? 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(vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. now to the breaking news of hawaii, the death toll rising overnight to 93 as fires one of the deadliest in modern u.s. history. officials fear that number will climb into the hundreds as more damages assessed. fema announced today that hundreds of national guard members will be arriving in maui. the red cross a short time ago said they have had 3000 shelters in place since the fires began. white now 2200 buildings were lost in the blaze including most of lahaina's cultural and historical landmarks. here's why representative who represents maui said about the destruction earlier today. >> we walk through the streets of louisiana yesterday and i can tell you it's absolutely heartbreaking. it was shocking, surreal. we've heard all these words, but to actually walk the streets and still see fire smoldering in the distance, to see cars literally melted into puddles that have hardened on the road. axes on buildings and cars to see it is been search for signs of casualties or even life. we are not at a point where we can say a timeframe when people will be allowed back into the area. >> meanwhile, questions are mounting and outrage is growing. three firms have already filed a class action suit against hawaii electric, saying that the utility company did not act with the proper caution against the winds. here officials are also lost with the emergency siren warning system did not activate, leaving people little no time to get out. and the cease steve patterson is tracking it all. steve give us an update on the recovery effort. where does it stand at this time? >> yeah first of all it's very difficult for some of these residents to hear that they believe should have been in place in the first place. number one saying their never heard of saying, very difficult here because this is one of the sophisticated siren systems in the world according to the hawaii government. number two there also were supposed to be text messages that went out and radio messages and television messages residents i spoke to said they never went out for internet to get those messages. a lot of frustration first of all by the initial response. secondly, a lot of residents are really trying to get back into their homes not only to figure out if their home is still there but in some cases to figure out if they can get crucial medications they can see a loved one that they left behind, if they can get water to their pets. these aren't necessary essential needs. one woman i spoke to, she is delivering insulin to people who need diabetes says she was stopped for hours trying to get back into lahaina with the understanding that there are still smoldering hotspots, that there is a very sensitive scene back there with the dna records they need to now comb through, but needing to do her work. listen to this. >> there was a couple of tankers that went through and so people were standing in line for hours getting gas and stuff, so they're getting surfaces out there like gas and food and dropping things all over the place, but no medication. if people can't get their drugs -- i pressure medication it's tough. >> everything that we've heard so they're 45 people -- a lot of them sleeping in six shelters of course opened across the island. a lot of people in their cars waiting for the moment when they can get back into confirm if they still have a place to live. alicia >> and we see steve patterson as always thank you so much. with now let's live now activation manager for the central kitchen. tell us how you're charities helping recovery issues. we just heard about the needs for shelter, food medicine, where can you step in? >> thank you alicia. we're working on the western side of the island. ellen at the university of hawaii in maui. we have three chefs cooking meals as we speak. we have teams of about 45 people spread out in the northwest area of lahaina, a lot of those areas where we are actually going door to door delivering meals. for lunch today we will serve about 2500 meals. for dinner we will serve another 2500 meals. it's really about now. we were on the ground on wednesday, immediately serving meals. we immediately got a kitchen up and running. we are working with some wonderful people here in maui. i.d. help the a pouring of support, it's really just been tremendous. this is really a close knit committee and we are doing what we can to support them with what we can. >> the chefs who work with world central kitchen told me before that when you are a chef you grab your nice and went. they're also that age agencies are blocking roads to lahaina preventing you from getting. there haven't is world central kitchen kitchen contending with that? >> we community has been real great. we made some really great relationships i think we are certainly respectful of what they're trying to do the emergency services are doing as best as they can. they have been really helpful as we explain what we are doing trying to get food into the areas. we have been able to move certainly not as fast as we would like but we are getting through into the areas right now. it's really thanks to all the emergency response system that is in the area right now. >> and as much as you are focused in making sure that people have the food and the nutrition, i suspect that you are also talking with people all through that delivery as you do that do you get a sense of what is most needed on the ground right now? >> really we are focused on providing hot meals, but i will tell you as i go around now as i read my emails, and read my chats, there are a lot of people reaching out. can you help? here there's 20 people who can't get out to the distribution sites you don't have meals? we have vans, we have trucks, we are getting to those people as quickly as we can to provide them hot meals. we will come to them. we have the urgency of now to get people of meals as soon as possible. >> when you balance the urgency of now with the humility that you have share the you are up and running perhaps not as quickly as you would have liked, one of the biggest obstacles, the biggest challenges you are running into executing what you want to execute? >> i would say, we had sandwiches on the ground. we were scouting on with food on wednesday. we had hot meals going into the community on thursday. really what we are seeing in some of these areas it's a disaster zone, so we have to be respectful of the emergency crews that are getting in there. we have to be respectful of the first responders and we are doing that. but we are also making sure that we are getting meals, food out to the people who need it, that's the most important thing for us really to act with a sense of urgency. so we have been very fortunate that we've been able to get out there and help. people >> it's incredible and john i hear you on the sense of urgency. i also khiry on the reality focusing on the now because there is always a duality in these crises as you well know. there is the moment, there is the immediate need and then there is making sure that our attention is sustained such that even as people continue to pivot to the reality of what has happened in the rebuilding that needs to take place that we do not turn our attention away. your sense of both how long world central kitchen is going to be able to do this and how people want to help can best help right now? >> for sure. anybody can reach at world central kitchen is primarily funded by individual donors. w c k dot org. if you want to go there and help, know that we are on the ground, we are helping people. we will be here for as long as it takes. we have no timeline set right now, we are still wrapping up our meals, we are still ramping up our community a reaching will be here as long as it takes. >> john, you are doing critical work and appreciate your taking a few minutes away from it to speak with us. thank you so much for your time. >> thank you alicia appreciated. >> next, a huge victory and why. a can democrats put the state back in a place in time for 2020? for a share the chair of ohio's democratic party joins us. next plus, calls for political change to force. public threats against the prosecutor, gop saying it out loud. the story on why it is a two danger to democracy. er to democracy. business days are back. from august 7th to the 13th. get a free tech check and special offers. like a free 5g phone. plus, switch, keep your number, and get up to $300 off. with verizon business. it's your business. it's your verizon. shingles. some describe it as pulsing electric shocks or sharp, stabbing pains. ♪♪ this painful, blistering rash can disrupt your life for weeks. a pain so intense, you could miss out on family time. the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside of you. if you're 50 years or older, ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingles. ♪♪ when you have chronic kidney disease... there are places you'd like to be. like here. and here. not so much here. if you have chronic kidney disease, farxiga can help you keep living life. ♪ farxiga ♪ and farxiga reduces the risk of kidney failure, which can lead to dialysis. farxiga can cause serious side effects including dehydration, urinary tract or genital yeast infections in women and men, and low blood sugar. ketoacidosis is a serious side effect that may lead to death. a rare life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this bacterial infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. farxiga can help you keep living life. ask your doctor for farxiga for chronic kidney disease. if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. ♪ farxiga ♪ my most important kitchen tool? 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what are the lessons that you think he can take away of going into 2024? >> alicia thanks so much for having in covering ohio. we were excited about the outcome on tuesday night and, quite simply what it carabao is at a high and scare about the democracy. at the end of the day, the like people all across the country, we want fair elections and we want fair choices on important issues, and on this one in particular like abortion, but in everything ranging from labor rights to voting rights to redistricting which are all at stake in ohio, both in this election last tuesday next last tuesday but in months and weeks ahead. we were surprised and happy about the outcome and i think we will see forward moving forward in ohio, is the wing map that you saw well as we go into 2024 and beyond. >> one of the things i am struck by when you look at a variety of states that have considered referendums pieces of legislation, kansas, kentucky, it may not be people who consider themselves pro reproductive rights or pro-choice that come out and vote in these elections. it's a lot of people who say, while the government is really overreaching on this one and this is the type of extremism that i cannot support and i cannot validate. i wonder if someone who i am certain is mochi your charge of the grand plan and your fair share of door-to-door and calls with voters, the sense you got of what was most residents with a voter who knew you needed to persuade to come out and vote for you? >> i think you're exactly right. ultimately this is about our freedoms, it's about our democracy, it's about making clear the choices in front of ohio voters, both last tuesday and what we'll see next november. ultimately, i think most ohioans are on the side of women having the freedom to make their own decisions. they do not want out of touch politicians in the doctors offices with them and their families as they make difficult health care decisions. i think what you're seeing as well is that an electorate that is remarkably sick of the out of touch extreme positions coming out of our state legislature, which if you'll recall was last year was gerrymandered quite profoundly, it was declared unconstitutional seven times but our state courts. we will go back to the drawing board this fall with district -ing in ohio. so for folks who want to join us in the district-ing fight and the abortion fight, they can go to higher dams dot org to find out about these things happening in the buckeye state. >> given that you are an expert on your own state, and you understand these things. i think there is a tendency to draw all the states that have gone red in the last few presidential cycles. what works in ohio does not work in another state. so going into 2024, one of the unique dynamics in ohio that you think ultimately the state pivots on? >> i remember that barack obama won ohio two times as well, so ultimate swing state status to go back and forth. when things ohioans have always been for it for elected officials who support them, their families, their job, their wages and, there is no better fighter for ohioans, there's no better fighter for all hines freedom and wages and sherrod brown. i think ohioans will remember that as they go into the voting box in 2024, especially when you see who he is up against. coming out of tuesday i think it's safe to say that the biggest loser in ohio has been officially crowned frank la rose, ohio secretary of state, who staked his political career on state issue one, and is trying to challenge senator brown in 2024. he shows himself to be out of touch with most ohioans on this subject of a balloon, but he shown himself to be a pretty bad official and pretty poor stored, with ohio's trust, costing is $20 million in a special election it turns out most people didn't support and in what, but also failing to administer the election in many key ways and in an effective way. i think voters will remember that next year as we get into the 2024 cycle. >> my last question to you. i have to imagine that if you are the democratic chair of a state party, when all of a sudden you have an election like this and national attention turns to your state and there are multiple reported and fake pieces written about that it is possible that ohio is back in play. it is exciting, because there is possibility of national resources pouring into your state. there's also little bit of, buckle up because now this is going to be a different ride from the one we saw. what would it actually take from a resource perspective to put ohio back into play? >> it's going to take every person in our state, every person in our party helping out as we get into the fall. it's important for folks to remember that while we did win issue one on tuesday, we are still headed to the fall with the abortion rights ballot on the ballot this november. so we need all the folks in ohio to come out and help to make sure we understand what's on the ballot, to understand the rules about casting your vote in a hole while. we have photo i.d. for the first time, this past tuesday is the first time we had. it but more importantly i think our biggest priority is to focus winning one election at a time and winning the election for ohioans and by ohioans. keeping all these things rooted in water on the minds of ohio voters. if folks want help we walk in the. it can do higher dams dot org to find how they can help, and get volunteer, find out about the issues. we are so excited to see how we can do our part in the buckeye state and of abortion rights this fall. >> elizabeth walters thank you so much for taking the time to be with us. when we come back, strongmen author has some choice words for the republican party after a sitting member of congress makes a very public call for violence. ll for violence all business days are back. from august 7th to the 13th. get a free tech check and special offers. like a free 5g phone. plus, switch, keep your number, and get up to $300 off. with verizon business. it's your business. it's your verizon. ♪ chevy silverado has what it takes to do it all. with up to 13 camera views. and the z71 off-road package. ♪ you ok? 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stick >> professor ruth ben-ghiat is joins us now. she is the author of strongmen from mussolini to -- can you tell us more about this? >> he knows what he is doing. matt gaetz as a maga screams because relentless information warrior. he's trying to create something that is necessary and considered in a positive way. the reason i have used the term fascist thugs which may seem strong is because fascists really believe that violence is the way you move history forward. what representative matt gaetz is saying that by forces by the way were gonna change, things it's not gonna be by elections or democratic reform or legislation, it's gonna be violence. that's the message that he is giving. >> how does trump benefit from serenity surrounding him by loyalist, there are many but in this case congressman gaetz. ? >> it's everything trump does to beef up his personality cult and see that show that he is the undisputed leader of his party. the more trouble he is, the more he has needs to have people do these performances. this was a performance that matt gaetz did and how did he start? off he called him mr. prize president, so he's propping up the big law. and then he repeats the talking point, they're coming after you everyone, they're not just coming after president trump. so these are command performances, and yet they are mass radicalization events. it's especially egregious because it's at a family friendly state fair that this casual remark of violence is thrown out. >> i want to shift gears though these things are not unrelated, i want to talk about a story that's starting to get traction out of kansas. freedom of the press watchdogs sounding willem after a small police department raided the office of a local newspaper the marion county record. police also searched the home of the four papers publisher. new york times reported, the search is connecting on friday, feared to be linked to an investigation into how a document containing information of a local restaurant tour found its way to the local newspaper. and whether the restaurant owner's privacy was violated in the process. the editor of the newspaper said the rays may have had more to do with the tensions between the paper and officials in marion, a town of about 2000 north of wichita over prior coverage. i know this story also caught your attention. what most jump down what came in mind? >> that these kinds of raids on the press and on private owners of newspapers and media outlets, they are typical and authoritarian states. in fact, the philippine journalist maria roster who got a nobel prize for her freedom fighting under difficult circumstances also compton are on twitter. it should remind us that we may think that these things can only happen in other countries, but they happen here to protect power and to dissuade people from trying to be accountable. they have been here all the time. >> to paraphrase what she wrote, it was something along the lines, it's happening to you cut by. talk to us, it's not just situations like, this is the erosion of local journalism that can be a real threat to democracy? >> yes, because authoritarianism doesn't just happen from the top down from washington. it has to be the values of corruption, of lying, of violence, of arrogance which is what this raid was as well. they have to be confirmed all around the country at the local level. and that's why in fact steve bannon had his precinct strategy, where you start with town halls, you start with school boards, you do this all over the nation. and actually fascism in italy started off at the de centralized militia movement and they did exactly that. that's also why keep talking about fascism today. >> ruth ben-ghiat, there is no think i look more forward to, and so lucid and thank you so much for your time. that is it for today and for this weekend. i am alicia mendendez as always thank you for spending part of your saturday and your sunday with us. we so appreciate it. want to make sure you are following the show on twitter on instagram and on tic tac,. look at it right there the handle is at alicia on msnbc. i mean to see next weekend for more american voices as always, saturday and sunday at six pm. but after this very short break, this time for insight with jen psaki. t with jen psaki. i'm a veteran of 23 years. i served three overseas tours. i love to give back to the community. i offer what i can when i can. i started noticing my memory was slipping. i saw a prevagen commercial and i did some research on it. i started taking prevagen about three years ago. i feel clearer in my thoughts, my memory has improved and generally just more on point. prevagen. at stores everywhere without a prescription. >> woman: why did we choose safelite? 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