Go that far. It prevents trump from publicly sharing materials that quote, the government designates as sensitive. That includes things like personal information of possible witnesses, recordings, and testimony. The defense argued a protective order would infringe on trumps First Amendment rights. But chechen noted quote, the need for the criminal case to proceed in no order, and to protect the integrity of the process means theyre gonna have to be limits on the defendant speech. And later in the hearing, she emphasized that trump is quote a criminal defendant. He is going to have restrictions like every single other defended. It was the first time both sides met in a courtroom with trusted, this Federal Judge assigned oversee the case. Well meet with her again in a few weeks, on august 28th to disrupt the, discuss the trial date. The Special Counsel Team that is proposed starting that trial on january 2nd 2024. That is a sign of how fast the government wants this case to move forward. Now the defense has yet to respond. But if we can learn anything from trumps other federal criminal case, its that they will likely proposed date that is much later in the future then try to create as much of a delay as possible. For more on this im now joined by nbc news justice reporter ryan reilly, who is inside the courtroom for the protective order hearing. Ryan, thank you so much for joining. Good to have you. What exactly does this protective order actually cover . And what is it going to stop former trump from two, from talking about . The protective order covers a lot of the information, or at least it wants to cover a lot of information thats going to be turned over. Essentially they said 75 of it could ultimately be covered in their rights. Now of course, Donald Trumps team has the opportunity to oppose some of, that and say hey, we dont think this should be subject to the protective order. They have to turn over these millions of pages of documents if you want to get at the end of a if you want to get these things moving ahead. I think the judge is making sure that both sides knew who was running that courtroom, what is the biggest priority, and making sure Donald Trumps team knew that the party really should be making this a public spectacle. Saying that this wasnt, going. To make sure that this is the normal order. I think the word normal came up several times. Its a normal order. Lets go. Lets get this thing ahead. Another word she said that the biggest priority, making sure this case moves ahead. Ryan, what you just mentioned is some of the most stern top that weve heard from a judge. What was the reaction from trumps team in terms of how they were reacting to it, and responding to what the judge was telling them, and how stern she was actually being during the hearing. You know its interesting, i think a lot of what you see is often Donald Trumps lawyers performing for an audience of one, meaning theyre trying to basically show off for the president. But of course this wasnt something that was livestreamed in any capacity. But there certainly arguments that donald trump was very excited to hear made there that probably werent very effective in court. We saw a couple of side eyes i think coming from the judge when this was, won some of these arguments were being made. But you know, what at least a lawyer was saying in court was that he was promising that donald trump was going to follow all these rules, in the judge said yeah, i mean, he sort of has to. Good was her reaction. Thats, shes in charge of this courtroom. I think she wants to make that very clear going forward. She is someone who has been tough on some of these other january six defendants, and several defendants have been sentenced to longer sentences and the government suggested. In her courtroom, shes made clear that january six was a major event. I also found it interesting given her background as a public defender. She is definitely emphasized how privileged some of the defendants coming in for january six have been, compared individual she had represented. Who had a much more difficult life. Thats been a really interesting background that judge chutkan has brought to the courtroom. Brian riley, thank you so much. With me now is tim obrien, the Senior Executive editor of bloomberg opinion. And also the host of the podcast crash course, an msnbc Political Analyst. Also joining us is noah brooke find, our president and ceo of citizens for responsibility and ethics. Thank you to your both for being here on this morning. Tim, i want to start with you. Trump has been arguing that this protective order, and the case in general is basically infringing upon his First Amendment rights, and that the government is trying to stifle his free speech. My question to you is is that an argument, or a Talking Point that is going to resonate with his actual base . In terms of his campaign to become president again. I think of course its going to resonate with his base. But thats not the most salient issue here. Its whether or not its ultimately going to resonate in court. Theres been this, i mean theres two issues here. Theres a long with a donald trump is untouchable by the law. And that he spent decades stumping his nose at the law, and rules and regulations, which is true. But it was never fully held accountable because he has this mythic invincibility. But the reality is, hes never been subject to an intense criminal proceeding with devoted and dedicated prosecutors, pounding the fact pattern, and his own defenses in an indefatigable way. And thats happening right now. I think hes not used to playing in that court. I remember hearing the mueller probe, he routinely talked about the fact pattern that mueller was probing. Mueller and his Co Prosecutors raise the issue whether or not trump was obstructing justice by doing so. He certainly was trying to influence witnesses. There wasnt a jury in play there. But now you do have a jury in play, with witnesses in play. I think judge checkin is saying, you can make a First Amendment right argue it. But your first privileges your, right to free speech, they dont extend into subverting the judicial process. And they dont extend into intimidating potential witnesses. Or tampering with the jury. Because no one is immune from being held to the same standards in a court of law as everyone else. So yes, he can make this argument, his lawyers have made it in every case has come up recently in both federal indictments, to say that this is a Government Trampling on his rights of free speech. Its a garbage argument, its a gossip or argument. Legally, i dont think its gonna get him anywhere. Tim, quickly, you mentioned the mueller probe, hes been impeached twice. Hes always push the limits. Why in his mind should this be any different . I dont think its any different in his mind. He has a long career of regulators, and others looking at him in sort of slipping by. But remember, in the early 1970s, he and his father were investigated by the Justice Department for Racial Discrimination against potential tenants, and trump properties. And they were held to account for that. And they didnt escape that. That was essentially the last time he was subject to a serious federal probe. Mueller was not taking his case to a courtroom. He was making it essentially he was pursuing investigation, that he was going to leave, lead others to do something with. The impeachments for the same thing. It was a congressional proceeding. It was not in a courtroom. This is different. He is not used to it. And he is really playing with fire. I think judge chutkan has said, if you choose to talk about evidence that you see, or if you choose to talk about anything thats become public in an evidentiary way in this trial, i will hold you to account. Shes given him a first warning, i expect others to come, hes not an easily silence person as we all know. To that point no, a trump has not been easily silenced. He has continued to really push the limits in terms of publishing Different Things on his truth social platform, including one truther, or whatever theyre called, that cites a Government Filing last week. In that when he says, if you go after me, im coming after you. Do you really think that there is any judge, whether its judge tchotchkes, or any other one that can rein him in and put a stop to these types of attacks . I think that Judge Chuck Kin in these prosecutors are in a bit of a difficult position here. Because of what donald trump is putting out there. He threatens to certainly potentially intimidate witnesses, it raises the possibility of improperly influencing a jury pool. But it also could put people at risk of violence. Weve seen donald trump make statements after the search at maralago, which actually led a supporter showed up at an fbi office with a gun. So theyre gonna have to do something. At the same time, i think they understand that it is a politically explosive thing to really take steps to shut down a former president , or current president ial candidate. Certainly Something Like moving towards contempt, or putting him in prison. I think theyre in a tough position. I think that George Chutkan has shown is she serious about this. And if he continues to act in threatening ways, or ways that could influence witnesses, she will take those steps, as difficult as that maybe. No, i want to sit with you for a moment. This, week the New York Times reported that two prominent conservative have both concluded that the 14th Amendment Disqualifies donald trump from Holding Office. I find it interesting that you and your organization crew have been making the same arguments as well. What do you think about what was reported in the times . And you intend to follow up on that in any formal fashion . Absolutely. We actually were successful last year in removing in official in new mexico, under the 14th amendment. It was someone who had participated in the january six insurrection. So we are very much of the belief that this applies right now. What was so significant about the piece yesterday was that it showed that smart people, experts, knowledgeable people across the political spectrum are concluding that the Constitution Prohibits Donald Trump from Holding Office because he engaged in an insurrection. This should not be a partisan issue, or a political issue. And we absolutely are planning right now. Were in the process of preparing to take legal action to enforce this prohibition. Which is in the constitution. I think its really important that conservatives and others across the political spectrum are coming around to seeing that this is a law. Tim obrien, and noah bookbinder, a very important conversation. Thank you to your both. Coming, up republicans keep losing culture wars. But theyre not done fighting them. I will talk about a very embarrassing loss at the gop suffered this week, and what it may mean for the fight ahead. Plus, at least 80 people are now confirmed dead from the historical line wildfire. Well go live to maui for the latest to contain the blaze, and efforts to find people still missing. And make sure you tune in for politicsnation tonight. As Reverend Al Sharpton represents msnbc in talking to Vice PresidentKamala Harris on the show. The Vice President talks about the 60th Anniversary of the march on washington, and where the fight for, fight for Voting Rights starts now. During the interview, sharpton asked the Vice President what she wakes up concerns about. Listen to how she responded. Our democracy. Reverend, i think everything is at stake right now. One of democracy is intact, it strengthens the people. It protects and fight for fundamental freedoms, individual rights. Its a fight for order against chaos. It strengthens. On the other hand, democracy, incredibly fragile. It will only be as strong as our willingness to fight for. And right now, there are many forces that are attempting to purposefully, i believe, we can arent immodesty. You can check out the full conversation with the Vice President tonight on politicsnation with Reverend Al Sharpton. Thats at five pm eastern, right here on msnbc. More velshi after a quick break. Well be right back. Ht back. Pending honey. Im saving with liberty mutual, mom. 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Splenda Diabetes Care shakes find them in the pharmacy aisle today. Son, is now the subject of a Special Counsel investigation. On friday, Attorney GeneralMerrick Garland elevated david weiss, who is the sitting u. S. Attorney for the district of delaware to Special Counsel status in the ongoing probe. Weiss, who was nominated by donald trump and confirmed by republican 12 control senate in 2018, has already been investigating biden for roughly five years. Hes been looking into allegations that biden failed to pay adequate taxes, and that he on lawfully owned a gun, while using illegal drugs. Which is a felony. Back in june, biden agreed to plead guilty to two tax related charges. Which would have allowed him to avoid prosecution on felony gun charges. However, the deal fell apart after trump nominated Federal Judge refused to accept it. Saying she did not want to be a quote, rubberstamp. Biden then pled not guilty to the charges. Weiss reportedly asked Attorney General garland for special Counsel Authority on tuesday. After further Plea Negotiations to resolve the tax and gun charges broke down. Meaning that now, a trial is much more likely. Joining me to discuss this is nbc News White House correspondent monica alba. Monika, good morning. Now by all accounts. The appointments of the Special Counsel to investigate the president son should reinforce the idea that the Justice Department is impartial, and does not in fact work for any particular party or political regime. But it does not seem like republicans are buying that. Thats right charles. Really theyre taking issue with the man who has been elevated to the Special Counsel status. With david weiss in particular. Republicans are slamming the move, because they say, well look, david weiss was central to what they call a sweetheart deal. The deal that had it gone through and become reality, would how spared hunter biden any prison time most likely. So theyre saying, and arguing were hearing from senators like Lindsey Graham for instance, that david weiss is quote, in their words, compromised. So why do they expect him to do anything different now . And really, that is the central question that a lot of us had when this all unfolded yesterday. Why if in the past when asked even Merrick Garland had scoffed at the idea of david weiss needing Special Counsel status. Because he said he had the full authority to continue to see what he needed to do with this case. And even some irs whistleblowers, back in that congressional testimony, suggested that weiss had asked for this before, and weiss was the one who came out and said, at least argued on his own behalf, that that never had happened. So what changed, and what led us all to happen on tuesday when he did go to the Attorney General in say, i now feel i need this new status. And the Attorney General said that he felt it was in the Public Interest to do so, given all of the sensitivity. Given of course the Major Political implications here. Charles. That was nbcs monica alba at the white house. Thank you so much. Coming up after the break, republicans suffer an embarrassing loss in ohio. How they try to win and losing fight by rigging the game that ended up losing them even bigger. You dont want to miss this. Stay tuned, we will be right back. L be right back tourists that turn into scientists. Tourists taking photos