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It is friday and we have got a fantastic night crap grew recapping week it was, about lets talk about the day that is and we saw major developments in cases that involved the current former president. Judge Tanya Chutkan issued a protective order in dont rams 2020 election interference case after Hearing Arguments from the government and trump. She put everything that has to do with witnesses in the compartment of it and sensitive information. Not just grand jury witnesses, anyone that the government had interviewed. That is the first thing. And the second thing is that, even as she gave a negative to the Trump Defense team of not defining everything as sensitive materials, she took it away by making clear that anything that the government was concerned about in terms of both impairing the jury pool and also going after witnesses, would violate the order anyways. Judge chutkan also warned trumps lawyers that continued inflammatory statements from the client would only increase the need for a speedy trial. Also, in washington, Attorney General Merrick Garland called a surprise Press Conference to announce the appointment of a Special Counsel in the hunter biden probe. Tuesday of this week, mr. Weiss advised me that, in his judgments investigation had reached a stage at which he should continue his work as a Special Counsel. And he asked to be so appointed. Upon considering his request, as well as the extraordinary circumstances relating to this matter, i have concluded that it is in the Public Interest to appoint him as Special Counsel. The white house says it had absolutely no advance notice of the announcement and made no comment. Finally, president bidens attorneys are in talks with federal prosecutors over an interview into the investigation of his handling of classified documents, that includes negotiations over when and where such an interview would take place and the scope of the questions. With that, lets get smarter with the help of our leadoff panel this evening. Jon allen is here, Senior National politics reporter for nbc news, the initial washington correspondent for the atlanta journalconstitution, former republican congressman david jolly of florida and an msnbc political competitor, and former federal prosecutor or not to marry, adi ease also a Legal Affairs columnist for politico. Ronaldo, lets start with his protective order. What are your thoughts . Well, i really think that this is a loss for trump. If you played a clip a moment ago about how it was a split decision. I actually think that the judge chutkan it made a very wise decision here by not trying it to gather too much on these First Amendment issues, but what she did is warned him, and i thought the key quote that you write a moment ago was that this could increase the likelihood of a speedy trial. Essentially, what i think she is going to do, because she is a very seasoned lawyer, she is litigated for a long time is she is going to basically tell trump the more trouble you cause her, the more you are badgering witnesses, the speed here that trial is going to get, the less accommodations shes going to give him, and ultimately thats going to be a bad, bad thing for donald trump. Dave, it with the exception of jail time, is a speedy trial trumps Worst Nightmare from this judge . Because his main defense is delay. Yeah, thats right stephanie, grenada is exactly right. I think many of us were expecting a more restrictive environment. Is there an environment in which donald trump could be facing pretrial detention . The judge here clearly understanding all of the special circumstances and instead decided that were just going to speed up the trial, mr. Former president , see what you think of that. Look, Donald Trumps entire strategy for his president ial run, as well as a little bit of his legal strategy, if hes going to ultimately seek absolution at the ballot in the post to the court, is to push any trial, any of the current three indictments, and perhaps a, Fourth Pass Say Mid March when he would likely shore up the republican nomination. A trial for donald trump going into the general election, given his mindset, he thinks helps him. But it could hurt him if he is up 30 points and he does not yet know what would be the result of a trial before the republican nomination is secured. So donald trump wants this trial in the summer, not before march, but the judge said today, hey, keep it up mr. Former president and you might get this in january. John, youre not going to see me advocating it to delay this, however the said say that they are going to hand over 11 million pages of discovery. We know that trump is already facing some cash flow problems, but put that aside. He does not have major law firms representing him. With dozens and dozens of young people and researchers who can pour through this. He has got a Couple Of Guys who basically had to sign off and leave their firms in order to work with him. How on earth are they going to go through this . How is his legal team going to face him . Thats the right question, stephanie, and as our colleague pointed out earlier today, one of the Trump Lawyers effectively said that theyre going to have to have Volunteer Lawyers for the people who arent getting paid because theres not enough money to pay people. Those 11 million documents, this is a real problem for donald trump, and it is a huge, huge problem. We saw him spend about 30 million to save america pack in april, about 30 million at the end of. So he is capable on that. 11 million documents. Tea, judge chutkan already has extra security, she needed it in the court house just to get a coffee. We know that down in atlanta, the courthouse is preparing to lockdown ahead of next weeks expected charges. If these are the precautions that Law Enforcement is forced to take now, what is the Trial Environment going to look like . Well, that is a big question because i think that we are seeing that it is a wildcard, how support of President Trump might act as the news of these indictments continue to come down. We saw the circus that happened when he turned himself in in new york. But there was not the same type of drama surrounding the indictment in florida for example, that being said we are in unprecedented territory when it comes to a former president possibly going to trial and all of these cases. Again, some of it has to do with how trump speaks to his supporters. What he said on social media last week when you come after me, we come after you. A lot of people said that could incite people to shop in Fulton County next week, it could incite people to do other things as these cases unfold. That is why Law Enforcement is on edge in Fulton County and elsewhere, and taking a lot of precautions. All right, were not, a new topic. The president s son, hunter biden, david weiss has now been assigned as Special Counsel, elevated. What do you make of that appointment . What is going on here . Well, a couple of things. First of all, there is clearly, i think, a Appearance Issue here. One thing that was going on in capitol hill, republicans were pushing for the deployment, they were suggesting that garland and the administration were trying to protect bidens son, that argument is gone. Cut off at the, knees that is one thing that happened here. But i think another thing is the plea deal that, hunter and his thought that they had negotiated with wise, that has fallen apart. Part of the two sides are at odds, wise is continuing to investigate and this, i think, gives him more leverage. It basically is a signal to hunter that to better negotiate with wise, they better be able to come to the table, because otherwise he is going to keep investigating. One group of people anxious to talk about this today, and it was republicans. I want to share a bit of the reactions that we saw from republican president ial candidates. Watch. I think it is about time that we saw the appointment of the Special Counsel be get to the bottom of not only what hunter biden was doing, but what the biden family was doing, and the American People deserve answers. I dont trust it, i dont think the American People trust it, i dont think that the American People trust the Department Of Justice or anything it is going to do. It seems to me that they are going to find a way to give him some type of soft book a treatment and i dont know why you to point this guy to be the Special Counsel. Okay, here is my question, david. If there was not a Special Counsel, they would be mad. Now, there is a Special Counsel and they are still mad. What scenario, with the exception of punishing joe biden, forcing him out of office . What realistic scenario would they want to see around hunter biden . Because, again, it is under investigation and there is not, at this point, and a direct line to the president. Hundred doesnt work in the government. The one thing consistent about republicans on the hunter biden matter, stuff, is bad faith. Its all about bad faith. He was not being investigated to announce and now they have a Special Counsel, well, we dont trust the Special Counsel because we only trust jim jordan and Chairman Comer and Kevin Mccarthy to jump this innuendo gap on the behalf of the American People to make allegations that cant be substantiated. I will, say in terms of david weiss not making the request to be a Special Counsel, hes kind of like the referee in a game against and so he changes his call. But look, after five years of investigation, he proffered to a Court A Charging Agreement that said, after five years of looking at this, here are the two charges. The tax charge and gun charge, and this is what the doj suggests and the judge said i dont know about that. So he goes back and says, okay, im going to change my opinion on this. Now, some of the Special Counsel stuff might be around jurisdictional issues. Delaware, california, is a d. C. . It might actually make it harder for House Republicans to investigate this because now the doj says wait a minute, weve got a Special Counsel investigation. At the end of the day, what we know is hunter biden is a private citizen. Nothing to this point after five years has pointed a finger at joe biden with any credibility whatsoever. Perhaps this investigation takes six months, perhaps it takes two years, it probably is an unwanted distraction right now for all sides, but ive got to tell you, Merrick Garland and david weiss right now, they have made both sides angry but not in a way that actually lifts their credibility. Probably in a way that diminishes it. John, what are republicans in Congress Going to do . In theory, they are going to call hearings. So lets say they do. Who are they going to call . Hunter . He doesnt work for the government. He doesnt work for the government, i think it is going to be difficult to call in the middle of a trial, which davids point, this frustrates their investigation to some extent. To your point earlier, what would make them satisfied is if Hunter Bidens kidnapping the lindberg baby. I mean there is not a limit what they would like to see happen to hunter biden. But i do think that republicans are going to continue to make noise about this, if you remember Kevin Mccarthy, way back in the 2016 race, talked openly about the benghazi investigation is going to harden and i dont think that youre going to see House Republicans rest on this hunter biden issue, at least in terms of talking about it. They cant, not with the legal he turned up for trump, which it is in the state of georgia. So, lets go there, to. A lot of rumblings that he could get charged there this week, what do you think is happening . You know, that is the big question. I think that a lot of the signs point to the fact that the sheriff, the district attorney, they are preparing for a Security Situation that kind of indicates that they are going after big fish, which has led a lot of people to believe that President Trump may face charges, if not him, perhaps some of his top allies, the eastman,s the giulianis, you know, we wont know, but the signs are pointing to something really big happening in folding county really soon. David, with all of the hearings and headlines coming out of jack smiths world, are people underestimating what could happen in georgia . Yeah, i think so. You, know it is interesting, the prudent analysis of this suggests caution because it is easy to say, after everything that we have seen in the last six months, that each successive indictment makes trump stronger. Thus far, that has been the trajectory. But the gravity now of the jack smiths indictment and the possible trial, as we have been discussing in january ahead of the primary, or the additional indictment in georgia, the question about actually subverting our republic is on the line, does that actually continue to strengthen donald trump or does it cause Republican Voters in the early states to say, look, this just might be too much . Every republican candidate with trump baked in those tragedy that this might be too much. Four indictments might be too much. We have not crossed this moment out, but we are entering it and we will watch to see. All right, ronaldo, another new topic. Disgraced former crypto king Sam Bankmanfried, no longer fried, the former founder of ftx, got his bail revoked today. Until now he has been in Northern California living with his parents, awaiting trial, but now he has been ordered to go to jail for tampering with witnesses. This is happening just as a donald trump is potentially going after potential witnesses. What did he say last week . Reminder, you go after me, ill go after you. Do you think trump or his legal team are paying attention to what just happened to Sam Bankmanfried . You know, if i was a trump legal team, i would be showing this article that you just showed on the screen to my client and warning him that that could happen to him. You know, Sam Bankmanfried the only criminal defendant who is more foolish about talking to the press than donald trump. Hes practically a member of the prosecution team. It takes a lot of skill to be a billionaire who has a massive bail and home arrest, and to screw that up by trying to go after witnesses trying to release his former girlfriends diary to try to intimidate her because shes the star witness against you. Very foolish, and hes frankly getting exactly what he deserves, and i think a lengthy sentence. Well, we will soon find out. All right, last topic. I know you have made you guys cover so much tonight. What should we make about president bidens lawyers negotiating with the doj about his potential interview about handling between classified documents . I think theyre trying to be extraordinarily careful here. Obviously, with the trump indictments [inaudible] going on with trump versus whats going on with biden. You know, his lawyers want, and he probably wants, to make sure that he is cooperating in a way that is very much a contrast with donald trump is accused of trying to obstruct or get in the way of the investigation of his retention of classified documents. All right dan. Thank you john. Thank you tanya. Thank you david. Thank you always, renata. Were gonna leave it there. When we come out back, it is time for you know what. The friday night we are talking about the disconnect between how the economy feels versus the facts. 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