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No, he was making fun of himself there. You have to wonder if the former president is feeling the heat. I expected him to sing myway and with the scarves wipe the sweat off his face and its hard for me to as Special Counsel jack smith turns up the temperature in federal court, amid the back and forth over the protective order in that case. Theres new reporting this morning do you think hes well . No. Im just saying, him sweating that much. Do you think hes in a million different ways, i dont think hes well . Do you think hes unwell . Marco rubio didnt sweat that much. Ron desantis doesnt sweat that much. That was a lot of sweat. Yes. New reporting on a secret memo that laid out the plot to overturn the 2020 election. Were going to go through that Major Development in just a moment. Meanwhile, were getting a better idea of the timing for the next possible indictment for the former president by 2028 . No. The case down in georgia. Can she delay this any longer . I think its coming. 2028, maybe 2029. It could be his fourth indictment. Well talk about that and what the timing looks like now. Also ahead, more instability in the desantis campaign. Well tell you about the latest shake up for the Florida Governor in his 2024 president ial bid the shake up will be dramatic as we look at these pictures of desantis. Word is he may stop zipping the vest up three quarters of the way. Yeah. Good morning and welcome to morning joe. Who wears a vest in the summer when its like 800 degrees . I dont know. But theres so much news, and i guess thats how we survive is laughing once in a while. Im not laughing. Im wondering why a guy is wearing a vest when its 800 degrees outside. Its wednesday, august 9th, i guess i should say, its only wednesday. With us, we have the host of way too early, White House Bureau chief at politico, Jonathan Lemire. Not wearing a vest. Looking very good this morning. Dapper. U. S. Special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay, always elegant. And white house editor for politico, sam stein. Sams here. Also sharp. All right. I tell you, this is this issue, this Abortion Issue is turning into a remarkably politically potent issue for people who want a return to, well, where the United States was for about 50 years, where women had a right to make Health Care Decisions and make choices about their own bodies. Weve seen in kansas, weve seen in kentucky, weve seen in one red state after another. We saw in a Supreme Court race in wisconsin landslide victories, all because republicans are taking extremist views. And we saw it last night in a state that has gone deep red, ohio. Red, red, red. Voters overwhelmingly rejected a republicanbacked measure that would have made it more difficult to change the states constitution. More than 3 Million People went to the polls in ohios Special Election, voting to defeat issue one, which keeps the threshold for passing future constitutional amendments at a simple majority. This was all about abortion. Rather than 60 Super Majority that was proposed. All about abortion. Of course, this is all about abortion, because they were going to have a referendum this fall. And suddenly, the prolife groups and the republican legislators, katty, decided, were going to rig things, were going to change the rules, were going to require 60 , because we know the party of the people dont want women to have their Health Care Decisions decided by men and state legislators. 57 of ohioan voters say no to rigging the process. 43 said yes. But katty, that almost certainly ensures that this fall, ohio will be yet another republican state that pushes back against the abolition of roe. Yeah, republicans wanted to make it so that you couldnt change a law in part of the constitution without 60 , having 60 . For decades, its been 50 . Thats been fine for all the other amendments that theyve had in the past, but when abortion was on the ballot, they wanted to make it that much harder for proAbortion Rights people to do it. Actually, that 57 is not far off the 60 that they were mandating. Whats extraordinary about this is that its august. A quarter of august this is not even a vote on abortion. This is a vote on an amendment to the constitution that is potentially about abortion. And even so, ohioans turned out in huge numbers. And the campaign that had been campaigning on proAbortion Rights had thought this might be close. This reminds me of kansas. This reminds me of that first vote we had, where we were all surprised by the margin of the victory for the pro Abortion Rights group. And here we are, more than a year after dobbs, and it is still rallying people 57 . Thats a big victory for the pro Abortion Rights group. A huge victory. Like a huge victory in wisconsin, a state thats always been very close. A huge victory in kansas, another state that was red. Time and time again, you look at these polls, and they just dont tell the tale. People a year and a half out, are you going to vote for the guy for people that dont follow closely, are we going to vote for the guy who falls off his bike and stutters once in a while or a guy who created a riot. And do you remember the red wave of 2022 . Neither do, you know why . It never happened. You know why it never happened . Abortions a big issue. Also, some people, i know its quaint if you right this morning for the Wall Street Journal Editorial Page or on fox news, some people love american democracy. Were kind of oldfashioned that way. I dont know. Its worked for us for 240 or so years. We would like to keep it for another 240 years. So you add abortion and american democracy, because americans arent as stupid as editorial writers of the Wall Street Journal Editorial Page over the past week have believed them to be. They see through the lies and the gaslighting and they decide, hey, this is really troubling what this guy maybe this guy over here could ride a bike if he wasnt sweating so much. This other guy, he falls off a bike once in a while. But wait a second, he actually believes in the constitution of the United States. You add that and abortion together and it has been a potent, potent political punch in the gut against republicans who have been trying to take away womens rights. And womens rights, you bring up a good point here, because i think what were seeing here is that Men And Women are seeing Health Care Being taken away from their families, from their loved ones. And while it is an issue of a womans right to choose, its also an issue of familys health, of a husband watching her husband, his wife have to bleed out, because she cant get the medication she needs for a fetal abnormality. This is an issue now that goes across the board. And Men And Women understand what has happened over the past few years with rights being taken away. Right to health care. And when you look, sam stein at these numbers, 59 in kansas, 57 in ohio, a left side victory at the Supreme Court race up in wisconsin, the republicans called it the most important race in years. When you see that happening, you dont get to 57, 58, 59 with only the women that went to the womens march like in 2017. You dont get there with leftwing activists. You dont get there with women. You get there with women, men, young, old, black, white, hispanic. You name it. This is an issue that cuts across all demographics and its shocking to me that the republicans still have their head buried in the sand on this issue. Because in another election, i dont know if they know it or not, is coming up next year. Yeah, to mikas point, its men are involved in the pregnancy, obviously, they dont carry the burden of the pregnancy, but theyre there for the process, and it resonates, the issue of abortion, for men as much as women. And if you look at the issue on ideological grounds, theres a recent poll that shows Something Like 35 to 40 of republicans were upset over the Dobbs Decision. Those numbers dont really happen in many other issues. And i think the proof now is in the pudding, so to speak. We have three major elections, probably more im missing, kansas, wisconsin, ohio, where its very evident that Abortion Rights is an incredible motivator. I would just add that in ohio, you know, kattys right, they tried to sneak this in on some municipal election, in the middle of august. It was fairly transparent, what the antichoice crowd was trying to do. And i think that it backfired pretty badly, obviously, with voters, who felt like they were just being hoodwinked. Who felt like they were being taken advantage of. Its already a bold proposition to ask voters to willingly vote to reduce their ability to change their states constitution in the future. But to do it in the fashion that they did, that these organizers did, to try to sneak it in in a municipal election, in august, i think, was insulting, frankly, to a lot of ohioans. And it proved to be insulting by these numbers. Think about Donald Trumps Republican Party. One, they tried to take away a president ial election. Two, they line up in support, and i wont name the Editorial Page again that does it. They line in support of a Fake Electorates conspiracy plot, right . That their own people knew was unconstitutional. That their own people knew would be overturned by the United States Supreme Court. But they were doing it to confuse the issue and to delay a constitutional process. And they wanted to throw out the votes, of millions and millions of americans in seven states. They dont go to tennessee. Again, more antidemocracy nonsense. They actually kick black members of the Tennessee Legislature out, because they dare raise their voices. They let a white woman stay in, by the way. Thats interesting. Justice blind . I dont know. Republicans certainly arent blind. Your black legislator in tennessee and you speak up and speak out. They kick you out, right . And now you go to ohio and what do we have . You first of all have the women of ohio, have the right to make Health Care Decisions for themselves, are parents of 10yearold girls that are raped, they have to flee the state so they can make Health Care Decisions for themselves. Republicans take that right away from ohio women and ohio families and ohio doctors. Then they come up with this scheme and say, well take away your right to amend the constitution, and well sneak it in in august and you have to get 60 to claw back the right weve taken away from ohio and across america. And as katty said before, this is august. August is such a dead month politically, i will tell you any campaigns, of four campaigns i ran, we basically shut down in august. Because everybodys gone. Nobodys focused on anything. Theyre finishing their vacations or theyre getting their kids ready back for school. Theyre getting ready for the fall. This must have been important. And as katty said, ohio voters flooded to the polls to tell these antidemocracy republicans no. One person, one vote, majority rules in these forums. You cant change the rules midstream, because you want to continue taking away the rights of women from Making Decisions about their own bodies. President biden celebrated after issue one failed, releasing a statement that reads, this measure was a blatant attempt to weaken voters voices and further erode the freedom of women to make their own Health Care Decisions. Ohioans spoke loud and clear and tonight, democracy won. In recent years, republicans in a handful of states have sought to make it more difficult to pass citizenled initiatives, from expanding medicaid to raising the minimum wage. According to the washington post, last i mean, but they lost in really liberal states, i bet. I bet these efforts lost in really liberal states. Last year, such efforts to raise the voter threshold failed in south dakota. South dakota. And arkansas. Arkansas who won those states . Was that trump or biden . Did they win those are really liberal states. And attempts to schedule a similar vote in missouri were unsuccessful this spring. SoJonathan Lemire, theyre not even trying to hide it anymore. Theyre not even trying to hide the fact that theyre trying to make these processes more difficult. Theyre trying to change the rules midstream. They said as much the antiabortion groups, the antiwomens right groups said as much, were changing the process, or else were in big trouble. Guess what . If taking the rights of women away to make their own choices over their own bodies puts your organization in big trouble, i think its safe to say after the past year and a half of Election Results, those people that want to strip women of their rights, theyre in big trouble. Yeah, it is a fundamental effort and a unique effort in American History to take away a right. And we are seeing the consequences here, in these deep red states, including in ohio. As well covered a Frankly Bathe effort to recover this in the middle of august, to try to sneak it in like they did. And its just the latest defeat for this effort. And frankly, the Antiabortion Movement in this country needs to come to a reckoning here in terms of how theyre handling politics and the ballot. Because theyre being handed defeat after defeat after defeat. And this comes on the heels of two years of republicans in a number of State Legislatures trying to take away another right, the right street, restricting access to the ballot. And we have seen the consequences there as well. That played a role in the 2022 midterms. But abortion here is by far the biggest. And it is even one where republicans are threatening, some believe, many believe, our national security, because of senator tubbervilles hold on Military Promotions, right now, army, marines, both without a commander because of his hold, because its an abortionrelated issue there as well. Jonathan, can i ask you a question on that point. Youve got republicans who used to criticize democrats for using the military to push their radical social agenda. Oh, wait. Now you have Tommy Tubberville that stopped the United States marine corps from having a commandant leading it for the first time in 150 years. Now you have radical republicans in the senate who are lining up, meekly behind Tommy Tubberville, who are now stopping the United States army from having a leader there as well. Like, the readiness issues, and republicans know this, the readiness issues that this poses for our Men And Women in the United States armed forces, devastating. Devastating, and yet, theyre letting this guy from alabama basically lay waste to readiness in the United States marine corps, the United States army, and across all of the services. Like, have you heard of any republicans in the senate who actually give a damn enough about the readiness of the marines and the army and the air force and the navy and the coast guard . Have you heard any of them saying theyre going to stand up to tubberville and stop this madness . Theres been some private grumbling, but very little in the way of public concerns. We did hear from nikki haley yesterday, who said that she didnt like how this was going down. That she sided with the idea of tubberville, that the military shouldnt be doing this, but said it shouldnt be carried out like this. Maybe that will be the start of something, it remains to be seen. But republicans were proudly declared the party of national security, of defense, and yet theyve turned their back on this particular issue. And its 100 . Thats exactly right. Its hard to make that claim now. And it also should be noted that this is further proof that abortion, a defining issue in 2022, clearly still a driver this year. It will be again next year, too. And some democrats feel like it could even potentially expand the electoral map for them. So as we follow this major news out of ohio this morning, theres a lot of other news to get to. A Major Development in a new reporting on a secret memo to overturn the 2020 election. We havent heard about this before. This definitely laid out a strategy for trump to actually overturn President Bidens win of the 2020 election. Again, not free speech, more like a strategy to actually do it. Well, an illegal scheme, to actually delay a constitutional count. Free speech . Nope, just an illegal scheme to stop the constitutionally mandated count of electoral votes on january 6th by Making A Bad Faith argument to Sow Confusion among the electorate and this is the thing well really explo