latest filings around the government's request for a protective order by scheduling a hearing for friday morning at 10 am sharp that is not what the former president's attorneys were hoping for after judge chutkan's initial order to set a hearing by the end of the week trump lawyers responded by complaining about their obligations in their other federal case, and then offering availability next monday or tuesday. while the former president is not planning to appear in friday's hearing, he doubled down on the very behavior at the center of it all in new hampshire earlier today. >> how can my corrupt political opponent, crooked joe biden, put me on trial during an election campaign that i am winning by a lot? and forced amy nevertheless to spend time and money away from the campaign trail in order to fight bogus, made up accusations in georgia. that's what they're doing. and we'll be able to go to iowa today, i won't be able to go to new hampshire today because i'm sitting in a courtroom on bowl see it because the attorney general charged me. i will talk about it. they're not taken away my first amendment right. >> allow me to point out that donald trump is making the claim that the special counsel has prevented him from campaigning in new hampshire while he's at a campaign event, guess where, new hampshire. even while trump defies the judges orders, special counsel jack smith's investigation keeps rolling on. the grand jury met this morning in a d. c. courthouse as the special counsel is reportedly still looking into the fundraising activities of trump's save america pact. with all of the drama in washington, fani willis's investigation in georgia seems to be getting even closer to completion. one former federal prosecutor says that he expects an indictment soon. >> we're not talking about an eight month delay anymore. we're talking about an indictment that can be presented to the grand jury within a day or two. at that point will no. i expect that we will see broad, expansive indictments dealing with things like the rico charges and interference with the election, all of those things surrounding the cell phone call with the secretary of state, that the former president, had all of that i think will be here. >> what does soon mean? it could mean next week. right, now it seems like the only silver lining for trump's legal team comes out of the state of florida, where judge aileen cannon in charge of the classified documents case struck down to violence from the government, and criticize that the special counsel for using an out of sway jury. we have a lot to cover. let's get smarter with our lead off panel. one of our favorite groups. pulitzer prize-winning reporter for the new york times, -- the former fbi assistant director for counter intelligence, and former new york prosecutor and civil rights attorney, charles coleman. frank, can we go to you first? the judges order, and these warnings, they're not scaring donald trump. he is pushing further and further, attacking her, attacking jack smith. it seems like he's double dog daring her to slap a gag order on him. what do you think? >> yes. i think it benefits him. he very watch wants to play the victim here, and there is some polling that suggests that maybe it does help him with the numbers. look, he has not yet sat down in front of judge chutkan and her be admonishment that you will only talk about ex, you will not talk about why, we are going to preserve the evidence that you are going to receive in discovery. listen, this is all about literally potential physical harm to witnesses. to prosecutors, to jurors, in that discovery, he gets everything that the prosecution has, meaning that witness statements, who's testifying against you, who are they? what are they going to say? here's their statement under oath. all of that is usually under the grand jury secrecy. they don't want him to spell that out for, say, many months before the trial starts, where he's intimidating witnesses, et cetera. this is all in an attempt by the trump legal team to turn what is routine into something ridiculous. this is a protective order, which as you pointed out earlier, it's not a gag order. it does not say that you can't talk about the case at all. you can't campaign anywhere. it doesn't save that. he wants his base to say that. all it is is, i, we are agreeing that this evidence here is sensitive enough to where you should not be talking about it before the trial or during the trial. let's let the trial play out. that is all it is. the routine part of this is becoming ridiculous because you're going to see, like anybody who's raised a teenager, stephanie knows, every single thing gets challenged. you give them an inch, they try to get an inch and a half. the judge wants this to happen on friday, they suggested next week. this is going to go on and on and on. >> and a judge told them to be, c can't do friday. how about monday or tuesday? she said no, see you at ten a. m.. what do you think of that? >> it's turning out to be a tale of two different judges. if you look at what is happening in d. c. versus what's happening in florida, it's very clear the judge chutkan is going to keep this show moving, regardless of the delay tactics that donald trump 's defense team is trying to avoid. she's done a very good job of a balancing in the interest of both the prosecution and defense here. if you note, they have made the argument that donald trump's schedule will not allow him to appear. he does not have to appear. the show is going to go on. his attorneys still have to be there. >> he said don't come, just send your representation. >> correct. and contrast that to what we see going on in florida where judge cannon is asking legal questions that neither party has put on the table. it is really turning out to be a very sharp contrast between how these different judges are going about the prosecution of the former president. >> frank, this is not the only delay the trump's team wants. they want another delay in setting a trial date. how do you think that will go? >> this judge is going to move swiftly. a speedy trial act will apply here. there will be delays and motions, even appeals. this is not going to work out for him at the end of the day he will turn it into something positive. he will say that this judge is giving me nothing. everything that we suggest is getting tonight. let me tell you something. if he continues on his promise, and he's true to his word at the new hampshire rally, that he is going to talk about the case. if that means talking about whatever evidence is restricted and agreed upon in the protection order, we will have a presidential candidate who is campaigning from behind bars because he is being held on contempt of court. that's where this slow-moving train is now speeding up and heading. >> which might get his base extra excited, but as far as the general election, come on. katie, tell us about a different angle, this secret memo on the fake electors that was revealed by this indictment. what can you tell us about this? >> the secret memo was written by a lawyer named ken chesbrough. one of trump's several lawyers trying to help him find ways to overturn the election. one of the interesting things about the memo, and this doesn't necessarily shed new light on the fact that donald trump and his team were trying to use the panel of fake electors to delay certain votes, and by time, but it really fills in some blanks as to the public's awareness and knowledge of just how detailed this plan was. a couple of things struck me. number one, the lawyer, ken chesbrough, he says that there is a really good chance that this isn't going to hold up in court. it might not even hold up in the supreme court. but we need to try anyway. he's already got doubts about what they're doing, whether or not there is legal efficacy. but clearly, this is the second thing, he understands there's a real political efficacy. there's a real political reason to try and delay the certification. and to continue to raise false beliefs in the idea that the election was stolen, there is voter fraud. he talks about counting the votes in such a way that donald trump is always ahead. he really wants to convince as many americans as possible that donald trump could have won so that everything is sorted out by the supreme court. it doesn't matter. the entire validity of the election, the election process is lost. nobody will know what to believe, and it really helped donald trump to remain in power. >> charles, donald trump wants to forget this court of law, and focus on the court of public opinion. i need you to explain for our audience. we understand how in the classified documents case, how sensitive that information is. explain to us why it is so crucial that the material in the 2020 election, why that content also stays secret. somebody who doesn't, realize they can, say didn't we learned about that in the january 6th hearing? what trump is doing here, he wants it all out there before he sits trial. >> one of the biggest things that donald trump is doing to go on the offensive is basically try to expose as much information about rhinos and other people that were cooperating as much as possible. why? he does not want those people to come forward. ultimately, it's a matter of keeping these witnesses from coming forward at trial because you have created a situation where with the environment and climate, public pressure is so high that they do not want to participate. stephanie, in sports, there is a metaphor called putting the pressure on the refs. make the refs do their job. that is what donald trump just trying to do because he is pushing the limits over and over. there are three primary reasons he's doing this. number, one it plays well to his base. it helps them to raise money. it helps them raise, money as it's going on, as he's doing this, because it creates a narrative in the court of public opinion that he is the victim, he is being persecuted. number two, in the long, run it makes it more difficult to discipline him, because if you start early disciplining him, and you continue to do so throughout the course of this prosecution, later on, it gives life to the potential argument that this judge is biased, i don't know if i can get a fair trial, i want to make the appeal. number three, even if neither of those things work, it helps them successfully delay. this is why, as frank already said, you're going to see them continue to push the envelope because he wants to put the pressure on the judge to try to make that decision. he is handling it very well so far. >> let's talk about raising money, katie, trump's 2020 save america pact, it originally meant to investigate to -- investigate election fraud. guess what? $36 million of it has ended up in his lawyers pockets. jack smith has a lot of questions. what can you tell us? here's what we do know. for everybody that says, why would anybody represent donald trump? now we know there are 36 million reasons why. >> i was going to say, it's very unusual in the past for donald trump's lawyers to be paid. it is interesting that it's suddenly so much money. one thing that we've seen the justice department do in the past is say that if you say you are going to spend money one way when you're raising funds for a pack, or you're raising funds for political purposes, if you don't spend that money in the way that you said you will, you could get in trouble. we saw that with steve bannon and billed -- as you recall, he was going to raise money to build a wall, and that's not how it was spent. he got in trouble with the justice department. this is not -- something he's done before, so it's interesting they're keeping eyes on this pack. also, keep in mind, that he was not appointed to prosecute donald trump for any specific crime. he was appointed to look at behavior related to a variety of issues, including the documents held back at mar-a-lago, including the swirl of activity around january 6th. jack smith vowed to do this as quickly as possible, to rundown everything as possible. but as we're seeing, donald trump is throwing up a lot of leads to be investigated. this could go on for a little bit. ultimately, which act smith is going to do is when all the dust settles, he'll indict what he can indict, and what he can't, you will probably delineate in his final report to the attorney general. >> what were the consequences look like? i think back to when donald trump and his family misused funds in the family foundation. do you know what the punishment was? they weren't allowed -- they had to shut down their foundation, none of his immediate family was even allowed to sit on a charity board for a decade. let's say he gets found guilty. the super pac is found guilty of misusing the funds. what are the consequences? meanwhile, he's out there raising more money every day. >> yes, and let's expand on what katy raised, which is to let me add orient hans the saying, you don't just have to misuse the money by pocketing it, as they did with the build a wall, the founder of the build a wall foundation had to pay back $25 million in restitution to the donors who fought that they were really going to build a wall. >> you don't have to just put it somewhere where you told me you're not. you could be committing fraud by simply asserting an unknown falsehood young if they can prove the pack and trump knew the election was rigged, which is what's already asserted in the indictment, and they defrauded people, then those donations become the proceeds of a crime, fraud, and then the government could seize or forfeit those. it's very common in fraud cases. last year alone, doj seized or forfeited over a billion and a half dollars, just last year. mark much of it in fraud cases. so it could be that eventually trump or the pack has to pay that money back. >> we'll be watching. let's talk about georgia. i mentioned earlier, charles, the trump could face charges as soon as next week. and what is you doing today? attacking fani willis. the fulton county d. a.. earlier in his remarks today he called her racist, he implied that she had some sort of improper relationship with a gang member. absolute nonsense. once a judge is chosen here, could he face any sort of punishment, any sanctions for this kind of behavior? >> he could, but he won't. at least not officially. i think that's part of the problem. but let's zero in on this point very quickly. he has attacked everyone who has been a part of these prosecutions in separate jurisdictions. but the label of racist he has reserved for certain people. alvin bragg, fani willis -- >> let me think about what they have in common, let me think, let me think, let me think. oh, they're all black. >> there you go. and what it does, stephanie, it gives talking points directly to a white nationalist base that is looking to try to justify donald trump as some sort of political martyr. and i think it's important that people understand in terms of why he is selecting those people to use that language with. he's not talking about jack smith using those terms. he's not talking about other people using those terms. and it is something that is speaking directly to that base, very much so on purpose. >> katie, let's talk about trump's former attorney, john eastman. he is facing disbarment for his part in these alleged schemes. was this about proximity to power, or were something else going on here? i want you to remind our audience, john eastman wasn't some joker, wasn't some crack pot who was just lucky to have a seat at the paint the table. he was four years, i mean, he clerk for supreme court justices. he was dean of his law school and he could be disbarred or indicted here. >> you're right. john eastman was a very respected lawyer in many arenas. he did very well. he certainly was not considered a crack part until some of the speeches he gave around january sticks. but what is interesting in general is a lot of people want to dismiss trump and trumpism as crazy in an aberration. but someone like john eastman shows us is that donald trump really did take over the republican establishment. he has managed to harness that power. i was speaking with professor the other day and i said what makes trump different from some other political radicals or political fringe movements? he said it's because it's not the fringe. he is the republican party. and that we have never seen before. to somebody like john eastman joining in with donald trump, i think it's just a really big and important signifier, which is why we can to dismiss donald trump out of hand or what he stands for. and we can just dismiss it as something crazy. we really have to try to better understand it, because no matter what happens to donald trump, there's a good chance that much of what he stands for will remain active in our political life in the united states. >> as i said, there is a lot going on. katie benner, charles coleman, -- , thank you all for starting us off this evening. when we come back, if republicans weren't listening before, they got the message loud and clear tonight. the huge statement from ohio voters on abortion rights. later, my dear friend kara swisher is here breaking down the biggest headlines in business and tech. we're talking cage fight, a i, and tucker carlson come back. the 11th hour just getting underway on a big tuesday. >> we are following breaking news out of ohio tonight, where a ballot measure that would make it harder to change the state constitution and protect abortion rights has officially and overwhelmingly failed. here with me now to discuss, juanita tolliver, msnbc political analyst and host of crooked media's what ade podcast, and msnbc political analyst matthew dowd, also george w. bush's former strategist and founder of country over party. juanita, my friend, i turn to you first. just over a year ago, immediately after the demise of roe, supreme justice samuel alito wrote, quote, women are not without electoral power. did the ladies ohio answer that call tonight? >> i feel like the ladies answered that call, the man answered the call, the young people answer the call, and i think what we're gonna see when the data is released is that people across demographics turned out to show their support for at protecting access to abortion rights and for protecting democracy. the voters have made it clear they want their power and will to be restricted respected with his rejection of the ballot initiative. and it happened in ohio, a state that just elected j. d. vance. so you know there was some partisan line crossing here as well. i can't wait to see how the data shapes out, but the number one takeaway here is that abortion is a winning issue, and i really need democrats to stay the course in 2024 and beyond, because this is what it's going to turn out voters and keep them engaged. >> but not just democrats. let's not forget, ohio republicans ended summer elections, then they brought them back after learning voters would decide on abortion three months from now. should tonight be a red flag? hey republicans, this strategy is failing? >> how many red flags can they get? we have set up how many flares, and there's a freaking pothole here and all kinds of markers and they go on and drop right into it. i think it's fundamentally about voters are expressing they want to say so in our democracy. and every time they turn around, republicans want to take that away from them. whether it's gerrymandering, which they want to retain, which ohio did, even though the supreme court in ohio kept saying no, they retained gerrymandering in ohio. and so to me it's just a fundamental example of republicans miss reading the public but also they know that their policies are not popular. so what do they do? when you know your policies aren't possible popular, they try to circumvent the election process. i would also say, and going into something juanita just said, democrats need to watch this. and you and i had this conversation over and over again in 2022. it took democrats a long time before they stopped talking about 22 other issues and started focusing on the sake of our democracy and the freedoms, especially reproductive freedom with women. this is another signal to democrats. do you know how to win these races? here, we'll keep showing you how to win these races. >> the small d in democrat does stand for distracted. but not this case. juanita, it is pretty bold to ask voters to willingly dilute their own power. what do you think about that? >> i think it's part of the gop 12 punch. because think about the wording and the framing of this ballot. it felt a little counter intuitive to vote no, but the reality is that was the correct vote there because that is what keeps the power with people. not the state legislature, which we know fluctuates, but i would appreciate matt emphasizing the other part of the one two anytime when any many families are vacationing. i want to give a shout out to the organizers and the abortion rights groups on the ground who not only educated voters about this confusing ballot initiative and the fact that it was a surprise special election, but they turned them out and ridiculous rates. we're going to see a margin of 13 plus points, probably, when the votes are finalized, that shows the overwhelming support here. and i want to talk about the fact that it was ohio again because this tracks with what we have seen another ballot initiatives. i'm talking about a red state like kansas and kentucky, purple streets like michigan, this is something that we've seen time and time again, voters saying yes, we want to protect the basic right to access, health care. meanwhile the republican party is doubling down on criminalizing it and criminalizing women and pregnant people and physicians. i don't think they are heed any calls. like matt said, it's ends up how many flares? it's not going to change within this party. at this point they can't changed it. they have been advocating to end roe for decades. they have been criminalizing women and pregnant people across the country, they are still moving forward with harmful bands and they're not going to stop. they could have any path to reversal, and meanwhile demographics can get to say we're the ones fighting for democracy and protect everyone 's rights. >> you tour giving republicans all kinds of advice tonight, so matthew, maybe you can give ron desantis some help. let's start with the chaos in his campaign. he just replaced his campaign manager. and we're just a few weeks before the first gop presidential debate. given your background, you are a former republican campaign strategist, what does that signal? you've bounced your top guy a few weeks before the big game? >> it signals that he doesn't know what the fundamental problem is, which is he must have lost his mirror in his house. he no longer has a mirror, because that's the problem. this to me reminds me of a restaurant owner who was also the chef and everybody hates the chef and everybody hates the food and other customers responded. and you know what the solution is? fire the waiters and that's two more advertising. the problem is the food and the chef. >> [laughter] >> you want to weigh in? >> i agree. look at the man in the mirror. honestly, he has ruined this. he's just fallen so far that i can't think of any framing or push or merged messaging that would've peeled to donors at this point, no less voters. he has plummeted in the polls in such a ridiculous fashion that it doesn't instill confidence in anyone. so now that he has laid off 40% of his original campaign staff, promised his former campaign chief to the her job was safe, only to pull out the rug from under her. he's not looking at himself or any type of the blame and i don't think we can expect in the other direction for him to go except for continuing to flounder as he is. and so while he made the debate stage this time within the republican primary, i'm not sure he'll make the next one of the one after that the way he is going. >> well a comparison. the food sacks, the owners of jerk, no one likes him, so what do you do? you fire the waiters. that is a good move in the world of hospitality and politics. juanita tolliver, matthew dowd, thank you both for being here. i appreciate it. when we come back, the biden campaign goes all in on bidenomics, but will it add up to a win in 2024? the challenges ahead, and the big winds, potentially, when the 11th hour continues. but blendjet■s back to school sale is in full swing! blendjet gives you ice-crushing, big blender power on the go so you can whip up a mouthwatering beverage wherever you are. enjoy 15 plus blends before rapidly recharging via usb-c. cleanup is a breeze! just blend water with a drop of soap. stand out even when you're accidentally twinning with our kaleidoscope of colors. don■t be tardy for this sale! head to blendjet.com and order yours now. >> we are fighting to build a nation where every person, not just the wealthy or well connected, have the opportunity to thrive, and that, all my friends, is called bidenomics. bidenomics. [applause] [applause] [applause] >> think back to 2021, when president biden took office, we were still in the middle of the pandemic, our economy was basically on life support. back then, it would be hard to imagine, that just two years later he would be using the economy as a major part of a reelection bid. fast forward to 2020, day and the white house is going all in, touting bidenomics to voters across this country. well biden certainly has economic success to talk about, there are some headwinds on the horizon and still 15 months until election day. justin moore, professor of economics at the university of michigan, joins us. justin, there are wins. we've got the inflation reduction act. we've got the chips act. we've got infrastructure. unemployment is. no we are seeing inflation coming down, but interest rates are high. it is a big, complicated economy with all sorts of voters at different socioeconomic levels, and people are anxious. if you are president biden, what are your biggest economic successes right now? >> unemployment is at or near a 50-year low. the inherited economy that was in a shambles because of the pandemic and because of the mishandling of the pandemic, there's one thing that causes economic anxiety, it's that fear that you won't be able to put bread on the table next week, but you don't know where you're next paycheck is coming on, or you don't feel like you belong. that, it's not just about people who would be without jobs. if the anxiety the rest of us would feel and currently don't, little things don't go well at work tomorrow we could lose our jobs and it would be terrible. instead people realize they got lots of options. they're finding better jobs. we're getting pay raises. they feel great. so if i'm president biden, i will just remind people about the fear that they felt four years ago or during the depth of the pandemic, and remind them that they don't feel that anymore. >> that's a tough one, though. telling people how they feel. telling people to change how they feel. it is what it is. so like us through what the biggest challenges are ahead, because with a country of 300 plus million people, not everyone feels great. it's not great for everyone. one of the real challenges ahead? 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>> because it doesn't have to be a central place. a lot of think a lot of social media is dissipating and young people don't music. if you look at the numbers it's all people our age, sorry to say. >> oh. >> and it's not a demographic that's younger. i watch my own kids, 18, 20, they don't use stuff like this. they don't need to declare themselves. >> but even a year ago, think about how twitter with all of its flaws a year ago we're like a public utility. news broke, something was happening, you didn't turn on the television set for me, you quickly turned to twitter. you've seen that change. >> i think a lot of people are finding other ways to communicate like instagram, of course, is doing really well, that's a metal property. so i do think there is going to be, i don't think any of them are big business. i think everyone thinks their big business. i don't either a big business. if you look at the revenues, even if threads is doing well, it would be an 8 to 12 billion dollar business, which is not big for facebook, which is a smaller part of facebook's experience. instagram is so much bigger. obviously there are other properties are bigger. twitter is not very big. it has declined from five to maybe under two. that's a small business. >> are they doing anything to solve their, i'm going to call it revenue crisis. the biggest issue was advertisers. they brought in my former colleague, linda yaccarino, they've changed the name to x, which seems bananas when you think of it as an internet property. all that is going to get you fast-tracked to porn. what's happening on that front? >> i haven't heard a lot from advertisers about her. she is clearing her special to go to the cage match, that's what i know from her tweets recently. i don't think people feel that it's a better platform than it has been. if you look at the ads we're cleaning your we're ear wax out or one with a swivel seat you could get in your car if you're an older person. >> i get pushed more content from tommy chong. from xinjiang. i'm like, what? i'm not even understanding. what's in my algorithm. >> everybody is getting. it clearly advertisers are not there. hollywood should stay there with movies, is having problems, obviously, with a strike, but that's passed right now. the summer movie time is passed. so that revenue stream dries up. i'm not seeing big ads for the people used to see there. although i not saw many that ads on twitter because it's not a good ad platform. >> let's talk about this cage match. we talk about it like it's an absurd idea. you have two of the most powerful businessmen, they control huge conduits for news and information. possibly about to get in a big old fist fight. >> yes. >> what does this tell us about the state of the world? >> that it's being run by adult toddlers, i guess. but they have to have a slap fast, a sweaty slap fast, where they have to grab each other in various northern regions of their body. i don't know. i don't understand it, and i think it's sad and pathetic really. >> if you're on the board of either of these companies, if you're a lender to twitter, now x, are you feeling proud of this? think about the scrutiny, where your average fortune 500 ceo is under. what they're allowed to do, what they're allowed to say. >> i texted some of the board members and i said i really hope you get sued for this because this is kind of ridiculous. and i get, look, mark likes to do this. i'm very happy that is he's gotten in shape, he wasn't in the best of shape before. he was a skinny guy. he loves it. he obviously has a great enthusiasm for it. that's a great thing. so? what does he have to do it this way? i think it brings him down, actually, to be doing this with elon, who would do just about anything. he's ahead of yunnan in social media, at least. he's sort of, matter is getting revived a bit, they're not quite on the canvas as much as they were in iran has sort of become the new mark zuckerberg, essentially, this year. so he's now going to grapple with him in a sweaty manner? really, they're raising money, great, good for them. >> but they could just -- peter thiel, who you know where all, rebecca mercer reportedly throwing your money behind another than tucker carlson and his fledgling media company. what do you know about this? >> i don't know about that. that makes sense to me. they did it before. they did it with bannon and others. so he's probably the most important conservative media person. it makes perfect sense. if you see someone like ben shapiro or some of the others on the right doing really well with their media properties, it would make sense to do so. i wouldn't do it, but i'm not surprised. >> this almost reminds me of, that the jason aldine song is really just big business figuring out how do we monetize the maga base. that's all came out in may, and you know who noticed it, a grand total of no one. come july there like we need to make a video, let's make it just provocative enough, was just enough dog whistles in offensive enough, to nail that maga base, and it shoots to number one. when will people figure out, they are playing you? >> the first line of my book is, turns out it was capitalism after all. so they said they were gonna change the world, they just want to make bucks. same thing with the maga people. they want to make bucks off people. that's the way it goes. >> i want to talk about a. i.. it's what obviously everyone is talking about. people are excited about it. they're afraid of it. what is your current view of it, especially as it relates to workers? because we're in a moment where it seems like every other industry is facing labor issues, potential strikes, and maybe big business is sitting back saying, maybe labor doesn't have the power it once did with a eye right around the corner. >> i think they are saying that everyone is looking for efficiency. the year of efficiency, as a coburg called, it and i think a lot of businesses are doing that. i did a panel this weekend at -- the book festival, and i met geraldine brooks, rebecca mckay, jacob weisberg, and we were talking about the impact on rioters. but you could pick anybody like the impact on, lawyers on doctors, and what's interesting about this is the impact on white collar workers more than anybody else with the a. i. revolution. because it's about words and text or knowledge. and so they are becoming panicked. well they didn't mind when mechanized firming went into place and they got four dollar strawberries. they don't mind when amazon prime delivered for free and automated warehouses. but now that it is coming for them, they are very concerned about the situation. it is what it is. >> what is your feeling about a? i >> i'm worried about some of the more problematic things, like killer robots and things like that. i think there should be a global initiative around what we can to do just like we do with nuclear weapons, like we do with cloning and things like that, for one. coming up, the u.s. economy is running on none other than girl power, and it is all thanks to these three icons, when the 11th hour continues. >> hey by the, can i come to your house tonight? >> sure. no plans, just a big party with planned choreography. you should drop by. >> the last thing tonight, choreography is not just for megahit barbie. this summer taylor swift and beyoncé's shows are so massive they are giving the u.s. economy an actual boost. the question is, is the future of blockbuster entertainment female? emily acadia, the choice assignment and she, took a closer look. >> five months, 50 plus shows, three and a half hours long. >> your host this evening, my name is taylor. swift >> as taylor swift wraps up the first leg of her heiress tour, fans are going to great lengths to be. here >> have you ever devoted so much time and money to seeing artist before? >> now. just taylor. only taylor. >> one survey shows the average swiftie spends 1300 dollars on concentrated expenses, travel, tickets, accessories, and that means the era tour could generate six billion dollars in consumer spending in the u.s. alone. what would you compare us with media to? >> the beatles come to mind. queen comes to mind, former spending perspective. i think it's incomparable. >> it's definitely girls running the world this summer. we >> girls rule the world -- >> the cause of beyoncé's renaissance to rutgers fees to go up in sweden. and barbie had a great season also being the first film directed by a woman to make over billion dollars. drying fans of all ages -- and take a wild guess here, you're the dad? >> it's me. i am the dad. >> -- we'll go global, but with new dates in the fall, it's not the end of an era just yet. emily ankara, nbc news, los angeles. >> and it is not just about making big money. taylor and beyoncé are also donating to local charities throughout their entire tours. that is some serious girl power right there. take note, boys. and on that note, i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late. i'll see you at the end of tomorrow. >> tonight on all in-- >> by the way, i want to say officially for the press, it's about 110 degrees in this room. nice job with the air conditioning. >> the fevered push to make hot indictment summer last forever. >> we don't want you to speak about the case. sure we'd like to talk to you about your case. i'm sorry i'm not allowed to talk about it.

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