trump's social media, they say, pointing to a post that says if you go after me, i'm coming after you. that was friday night in the filing. since then, donald trump has repeatedly attacked jack smith, said nancy pelosi is going to hell and claimed mike pence is lying in his sworn testimony, that he's gone to the dark side. trump's lawyers did the full ginsberg, or his lawyer, singular on sunday, arguing the january 6th charges are bunk, that donald trump was exercising his free speech. will he use that same defense in arguing against the protective order. donald trump used that, the response is due today at five, we'll explore it. we're also watching georgia where d.a. fani willis is indicating a big decision is coming any moment. not to mention florida where something could be brewing in the other special counsel case. what judge aileen cannon just did that might give jack smith a reason to ask for her dismissal. let us dive in. joining me now is nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian, it's good to see you. get me up to speed on this protective order. why do they argue that what he's posting is dangerous, and not free speech? >> great to see you, katy. look, a protective order is standard in a criminal case. the prosecution is going to turn over tens of thousands of documents, some of which are subject to grand jury secrecy, some have private information about individuals and the prosecution wants the judge to order donald trump and his lawyers not to make that public. they added special sauce when they cited the truth social post which emerged on friday night as they were writing the brief. they used that to communicate to the judge that they have more than the usual reason to be concerned in this case by turning over sensitive information to donald trump because he has a habit of making things public in an effort to intimidate his opponents. they're not in this document asking for a gag order, any kind of restriction on trump's ability to criticize the judge or prosecutors in this case. that may come later, but as of right now, the issue is about the documents that they want to turn over as soon as possible to get this trial moving. >> and they're worried about what he might reveal about donald trump's lawyer who as i said to the full ginsberg going on arguing that these charges are bunk, that donald trump has the right to free speech, and that's just what he was exercising. i'll play one of the appearances because they all said the same thing. >> the defense is quite simple, donald trump, president trump, believed in his heart of hearts that he had won that election. as any american citizen, he had a right to speak out under the first amendment. he had a right to petition governments around the country, state governments, based on his grievances, that election irregularities had occurred. he had every right to speak about the important issues that were taking place after the election. >> all right, so is he going to be using that same vein, that same argument in trying to say to the judge in this case that, no, donald trump does not need a protective order? >> well, he did hint at that in the full ginsberg round robin, katy. the news media should be concerned about the protective order, even routine information that isn't sensitive, he may have a point there, but as i said, protective orders are standard in criminal cases, and i'll say one other thing, which is that i delve into all of those defenses in a piece we published on nbc news on friday. it's fair to say there are more plausible defenses in this case, than there are in the classified documents case in florida. it's also fair to say that each one of them has significant flaws, principally, one of which, they appear to require donald trump to testify at the trial, which as you and i both know would be legally perilous for donald trump. >> you got to give me more, ken. explain more. >> if he wants to invoke the advice of counsel defense, relied on esteemed lawyers who told him what he was doing with the fake electors was legal, most legally experts believe, and waive attorney client privilege. he argued if he generally believed the election was stolen, who could talk about donald trump's state of mind, with donald trump. especially when there's a lot of evidence to the contrary that he was told he lost the election. a lot of perilous moments ahead for him. >> that is interesting, donald trump on the stand, would interesting, a nice way of putting it. >> judge aileen cannon just recently filed a response regarding walt nauta and the special counsel, can you explain what she said? >> yeah, well, she granted the prosecutor's request for a hearing to decide whether walt nauta's defense attorney, stanley woodward has conflicts of interest. he represents other witnesses. she denied their request to file some information under seal because she said they didn't justify it, and she questioned why they were using a washington, d.c. grand jury to continue to investigate potential obstruction of justice in the case. it's hard to see exactly where this is going, it just shows that judge cannon is going to make the prosecutors work for every single thing they want to do in this case. >> my next guest has a thought on that. i'll get to it in a moment. ken dilanian. joining me now is former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade and joyce vance. i want to start with what we began with, and that is this protective order. barbara, i'll begin with you. i mentioned that it could get hairy, the discovery process. ken was saying this is a routine, normally a routine issuance, it's not a big deal to get a protective order. why could it get hairy in this situation? >> well, as we can see, donald trump is going to fight everything tooth and nail. it is routine because what they want to turn over are all of the witness statements, so in order to be disclosed into the world, you could imagine that people who have testified against donald trump could find themselves being harassed or threatened by members of the public. donald trump is going to push hard on everything. and even if he doesn't get his way, the eventual delay in his trial, seems to be his game, fight everything, delay everything, concede no ground. >> i lost you for a couple of moments in that answer there. the connection went bad, so i'll ask joyce you the same question. in issuing a protective order, with donald trump claiming his free speech is being violated, et cetera, does that make whatever the judge decides a little trickier? >> well, anytime you're looking at these kinds of issues, you have to make consideration about treating all defendants alike. that becomes virtually impossible in the case of donald trump, complicated by his run for the presidency, and first amendment issues that might arise in the context of the political process. but in so far as he claims any sort of a first amendment defense to engage in the three conspiracies and the substantiative count that he's charged with in the election interference indictment, that's really a nonstarter, katy, because nothing that he's doing here is alleged to be speech. he is charged with conduct, not speech, and that's the line that prosecutors very carefully crafted and drew in this indictment. >> hopefully the connection leveled out, mike pence, his former vice president who in sworn testimony said that donald trump called him too honest and that he was pressuring him to try to overturn the election. he's now saying he never said that to mike pence. he's been saying this at various appearances, also on truth social. and claiming that mike pence is, i guess, trying to jump start his fledgling campaign. mike pence as a witness, if the special counsel were to call him, how powerful would that be? and do you expect, barb, that mike pence would end up testifying if called? >> i do, katy. i think he'll be subpoenaed to call to testify. it won't be his choice, and i think he will be asked. there are a number of allegations in the indictment that seem to be things only mike pence knows about. he discusses private conversations in several places, private phone calls including this one where donald trump said you're too honest, and i think mike pence is the only person who can provide that testimony. they may squabble during the campaign, but when it comes time to trial, mike pence will be sworn under oath. donald trump can testify and contradict him if he wants to, but i think they'll be stuck with cross examining mike pence and see who the jury believes. >> what about the idea coming from the trump team, he cane get a fair trial in d.c., john is going to come up with evidence saying that the community itself is biassed against him, and that it's not going to work to have a trial there. is there any chance the venue gets moved, joyce? >> so this is one of those should have, could have, would have, types of defenses that defendants use in cases. look at what's going on in florida, you have a very pro trump venue, at least if you credit voting records, and the government won't make a motion to move the trial. that's because juries are more than just statistics about communities, and there will be ample opportunity and vor dire in the district of columbia for trump, just like there will be in florida for the government, really for both parties in both cases to ensure that the jury includes people who are willing to set aside any of their preconceived notions and decide cases only on the evidence they hear in court. that's the entire predication for the way our criminal justice system works. you don't get to go to west virginia just because you believe the district of columbia jury might not like you. >> and again, the trial in florida has a much friendlier donald trump crowd. let me ask you about judge aileen cannon and this filing that she made this morning, ken laid it out a moment ago. you said that the special counsel could, if they wanted to, use this, push back on it, and use it as a reason to ask for her dismissal in the case, that she's not fit to preside over this case. >> so we'll have to see how this plays out, katy, but it's very troubling. the government tried to file a motion under seal that includes what they indicated was supplemental evidence. and what the judge did in the order that she issued on the protective order is she said, sorry, you can't file under seal, and she turned around and directed one of the defendants, walt nauta to respond to a specific issue, how do you feel about the government using a grand jury that's not here in florida to continue to gather evidence against you. it's very suggestive that she believes the government is engaged in wrong doing, something that barb and i have had occasion to talk about in the last few weeks. the government can continue to use grand juries to investigate other crimes and other defendants, even after an indictment has been issued, so there's no reason to believe that any of the conduct that's going on here is wrong. what's really shocking here is seeing a federal judge refuse to give the government permission to file materials related to grand jury proceedings under seal, and certainly we can expect the government go back to her and as i often had to do in pleadings, say, judge, maybe i didn't do a good enough job of explaining what was going on here, let me take a second crack at it. if she persists in refusing to let them make their case, which they can only make under seal, if it involves grand jury information, then they likely will have to consider some form of action with the 11th circuit, whether that's an appeal or petition. it's very important to protect the integrity of the grand jury. >> barbara, i know you think she's driving out of her lane here, judge aileen cannon, are there pitfalls to getting her taken off this case? >> yes, and i don't know that i would agree with joyce. maybe joyce isn't quite ready to go that far either. i think if she continues to persist in that lawsuit maybe recusal is appropriate, but i think the justice department is always reluctant to seek recusal of a judge, and i think they would only do so if she shows a blatant disregard for the law. this revelation, we'll have to see how this plays out, and i think it would take an awful lot before the government would seek recusal. sometimes you can file an appeal of an adverse order, and in the course of that, the court of appeals will on its own reassign the case to a different judge or it gives the government an opening to ask for it, in a way that may not be postured to do it just yet. >> 5:00 p.m. deadline to file the response in the other special counsel case, the one we started with, regarding january 6th for donald trump's team to say why there should not be a protective order over information, the discovery process and evidence. we'll see what happens. joyce vance, barbara mcquade, ladies, thank you so much for joining us as always. appreciate your expertise. with a possible fourth trump indictment any day in georgia, what could d.a. fani willis have that jack smith does not. an nbc news exclusive, one on one with ron desantis. why he's now saying donald trump lost the 2020 election. hasn't been saying it before now. and the fda just approved the first pill to treat postpartum depression. how does it work and who is it for? 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>> reporter: look, the problem for the republican candidates is they all want to stop talking about trump. that's hard to do when trump is dominating the headlines and dominating the polls especially with the latest indictment that is focused on the topic that they all want to avoid which is the 2020 election, and it's a topic that donald trump doesn't really want to stop talking about. i gave governor desantis the opportunity to just put this topic to bed and answer this one question very directly, which to his credit, he did. take a listen. >> so you recently said the election is what it is, you said all of these theories that were put out did not prove to be true. so can we just put this to bed so you don't have to be asked about this a million more times. yes or no, did donald trump lose the 2020 election. >> whoever puts their hand on the bible on january 20th, every four years is the winner. >> respectfully, you did not clearly answer that question. if you can't give a yes or no on whether or not trump lost, then how can -- >> of course he lost. >> trump lost the 2020 election? >> of course. joe biden is the president. but the issue is, i think, what people in the media and elsewhere, they want to act like somehow this was just like the perfect election. so i don't think it was a good run election. i also think republicans didn't fight back. you've got to fight back when that is happening. >> reporter: he also started to hone his argument, a little bit, katy, for voters, saying that if, look, this election is focused on january 2021, instead of january 2025, we are going to lose. and that's something that i think we're going to start hearing more and more of on the campaign trail from ron desantis. >> he said donald trump lost but he also went into it wasn't a well run election, donald trump's own elections official said it was a well-run election, so, i mean, i'm curious to know what his evidence is on that, considering that none of the court cases got anymore, most were dismissed, the vast majority. i wonder, dasha, he's on the 99 county tour. he wants to do well in iowa. you do well in iowa, it can give you momentum to go into new hampshire and south carolina. is he resonating? does he have a path in iowa? >> reporter: it's hard to tell right now. he has done this reboot with this campaign, right. it's only been a couple of weeks. everyone wants to say, is it failing, is it working. it takes a little bit of time. we have five months until the iowa caucuses. the change i have seen, i followed him from early days before he announced he was visiting iowa. at the outset, he was doing these events, on the stage, behind the podium. bike racks in front of him, very distant kind of ron desantis. now, though, he's doing heroes smaller events. you see pictures, the trump campaign, using that to say he's not getting big crowds. it's about the retail politics. it's about doing the things that a lot of people wonder, can he do this well or not. i've seen him sit down at tables, have longer conversation with folks, whether or not he's doing well at that, whether or not that's working, we'll have to see. he is changing the way in which he's engaging with folks, and also bringing casey desantis and the kids out a lot more, and casey is bringing the pop up personally that a lot of folks say he needs right now. >> dasha burns, thank you very much. catch more of her interview, her exclusive with ron desantis on nbc nightly news with lester holt. joining me is chief communications adviser for house speaker paul ryan, and msnbc political analyst, brendan buck. the other theory about ron desantis, and why he hasn't been working other than, you know, donald trump hogging all the oxygen is the wokism isn't as much of a lightning rod or a motivator for republican voters as law and order messages. this idea of wokism can be different for everybody and that not all republicans agree on what it means and not all republicans agree on the extent to which it should be used. 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>> katy, that's where it's so important for doctors such as myself in the primary care setting to work with other primary care doctors like pediatricians. i think the most benefit that can happen is during all of these, you and i know, all the baby visits that we have to take the babies to the doctors so many times those are critical moments you're seeing the mother and you're seeing the family, and you can have the honest moment where you look someone in the eyes and say how really are you doing, and also to cut that stigma. i think having this treatment, i know this sounds crazy, knowing there's something out there, something that's a 14-day treatment that has shown that even after the first pills that you start to see effects take place, three days after the onset of treatment, just knowing that's out there might have moms feel a little more comfortable to say these feelings of being disconnected from my baby are actually normal. >> look at the video we're showing. we're showing the pill video, and also showing happy videos or pictures of mothers and babies because the imaging around giving birth is this is amazing, it's a bundle of joy, it's the greatest thing that's ever happened to you. all of those things are true, and it's extremely difficult, and isolating when you don't feel the joy in every moment, and you can feel overwhelmed and tired. i want to put on the screen a stat i mentioned a moment ago from the cdc, the leading cause of pregnancy related deaths when they're able to diagnose it is mental health issues. it's not cardiac arrest, it's not hemorrhaging, it's not a physical medical issue, a mental health issue, something a little more femoral. i was surprised by that when i was doing my research into this drug? >> unfortunately i'm not surprised by it, and i think just because of the stigma associated with mental health in general, we don't realize in many cases, we saw this with covid, if you had depression, that puts you at significant risk of being hospitalized or dying of covid. people didn't realize, mental health, i tell people that taking medication or getting therapy is just like treating diabetes. you wouldn't deny insulin to someone that needed it. shouldn't deny mental health treatment to someone who needs it, and that's exactly why i think these drugs and it's been far too long, katy. we don't have trials on these patients, pregnant women in general. so i hope all of this is kind of a signal of a new era to come. >> yeah. >> so that we don't feel embarrassed to talk about it. it's hard, it's very hard. >> it's hard to do a trial on a pregnant woman because it's a pregnant woman, and you don't want to take any risks there. >> let me ask you about when this is going to be available. is it going to be on the shelves in the coming weeks or take a bit longer than that? >> it's going to take a bit longer, and briefly here's why. it's because this is something that has kind of what we call central nervous system effects. this does act on parts of your brain, and there's actually a black box warning on it, katy, that you shouldn't drive 12 hours after taking it. it's a daily bill that you take for two weeks, so, you know, that obviously, you're a newborn mom, you got to drive, you've got to do things. so the dea has to review this, and it will take several months, we should see it at the end of the year, available to moms, and again, forcing this conversation to happen about postpartum depression. >> take it at night before bed. because you're in bed 30 minutes at a time. >> never. i haven't slept since my babies were born. >> i haven't either. i haven't either. i genuinely have not slept the night since my kids were born. it's amazing, they never sleep. even when they sleep, they don't sleep. anyway, dr. kavita patel, thank you so much, it's good news to have this pill finally approved. those sustained protests in israel worked at least a little bit. what prime minister benjamin netanyahu now says he will and will no do with the courts. plus, ukraine says a woman was trying to help russia assassinate president zelenskyy. what we know about the alleged plot. ident zelenskyy. what we know about the alleged plot (bobby) my store and my design business? 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how imminent was this? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, katy, this was actually last month that we saw that all of this was happening, and the kind of information that she was it wat the whereabouts of president zelenskyy who was supposed to be visiting the region where she lived last month. we have no individual unique insights into what's going on, but according to ukrainian intelligence she was collecting information about electronic military facilities, ammunition depots and warehouses, things that could be considered major targets. so this was something that was going on for a while. she had been observed doing this, driving around mykolaiv, this region in the south, a hotly contested region since this war began. she was observed doing this. then as we heard from ukrainian intelligence, they caught her red-handed u not taking photographs of the military installations, not trying to find out information about the itinerary of president zelenskyy when he finally did visit mykolaiv, but when she was turning this information over to her supposed russian handlers. there are a lot of unknowns, a lot of questions. the fact of the matter is it sounds like they did catch her when she was liaising with her bosses. it sounds like they let her go because they wanted to snuff out her actual russian handlers and that's what happened. >> matt bradley, thank you very much. coming up, we'll talk about all the heat, all the inflation out there -- not simone biles. we'll talk about inflation and heat and getting back to school. don't no go anywhere. here running this kitchen. 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