Stephanie ruhle. As Donald Trumps legal problems continue to grow, democrats are making a big push for transparency. More than three dozen House Democrats called for cameras in the courtroom during the doj cases against trump. Its something that trumps own attorney was asking for just a few weeks ago. The first thing we would ask for is lets have cameras in the courtroom, so all americans can see what is happening in our Criminal Justice system. And i would hope the department of justice would join in that effort so that we take the curtain away and all americans get to see what is happening. Earlier today, our friend near called deal laid out the importance of having those cameras in the air is. Why dont underestimate dawns ability to try tostay stuff outside of court to his party, lawyers, and so many others, all of which can undermine decorum anyway. The best check on that, and this is something that one of our greatest justices sunlight is the best disinfectant. Let the American People see this trial for themselves, day in and day out, and make their own determinations. We shouldnt be relegated to secondhand descriptions of some Courtroom Sketches of what is going on in that courtroom. Meanwhile, the former president launched a threatening post on his social media site earlier today, writing this. If you go after me, im coming after you just a few hours later, prosecutors proposed a Detective Order citing that very truth social post. They are asking the judge to stop trump from just sharing sensitive documents with the public turned over by prosecutors. This all happened less than 24 hours after the judge directly warned him that bribing, influencing, or retaliating against witnesses is a crime. And tonight, at a Campaign Event in the state of alabama, he went after the special counsel. But, despite the demented prosecution of our movement by our corrupt and highly partisan department of injustice and deranged jack smith. Doesnt he look deranged, you see the picture with the purple robe, he did to hinge the human being. We are getting stronger by the day. Somebody said he i should treat him nicer. Let me tell you, this guy is a lost soul. Republicans better get tough and they better get smart because most of them look like a bunch of weak jerks right now and you have got to get tough and smart and you have got to Fight Fire With fire, you cannot allow this to go on. Quick asterisk. Department of injustice. The majority of things laid out in this indictment came directly from the January 6th Hearings and a reminder, almost all of those witnesses or republicans. And, despite spending the evening in nearby alabama, the former president did not appear in florida today for the superseding indictment arraignment in the classified documents case. Instead he entered a not guilty plea through his attorneys. We have got a lot to cover tonight, so lets get smarter with the help of our leadoff panel this evening. Glenn thrush is here, Justice Department reporter for the new york times, katie benner, pulitzer prizewinning reporter also the times, and former federal prosecutor glenn kirschner. Mr. Kershner, i turn to you first. What can you tell us about this proposed protective order because it is citing that threatening its social media post from trump, but it is talking about documents not going after witnesses . Yeah, the protective order is something that we have seen before and it is actually not unusual what we are turning over discovery to the defense. I wish jack smith had gone farther because i was in court yesterday, albeit in the overflow courtroom watching a live feed, and i saw the judge say, what i am now reading from the transcript, sir i want to remind you that it is a crime to try to influence a juror, threatened a witness, retaliate against anyone, obstruct the administration of justice, and donald trump not 24 hours later does arguably, precisely that in that post. There is something called a Show Cause Order, staff. Anytime somebody is on court supervision, either as a pretrial defendant, pending trial, or somebody who is on probation, after conviction if they violate a condition of release set by the court, ordinarily a show caused border is issued. A Show Cause Order is when the judge demands that the defendant through council show cause as to why a potential violation of a condition of release should not result in remands to custody, stepping back. I hope at some point people realize that we are sacrificing the new administration of justice to Donald Trumps dangerous rhetoric, his reckless speech, his intimidating conduct. At some point the court needs to act, the prosecution needs to act, and they need to consider that this man continues to be a danger to the community and they should consider pretrial detention. Im not sure that where there, yet but i think we are getting closer and closer, steph. Why arent we there yet . She made it really clear, do not mess with witnesses and 24 hours later he says you go after me and i am coming for you. That is a threat. My opinion, were not there yet because we still have a Two Tiered System of justice. We dont do particularly well Holding Accountable what i call the ruling class criminals, the people of power and influence with connections. We do pretty well holding the folks who have no power, have no influence, or connections, and no wealth accountable even for minor crimes. We just dont seem to be interested in or have an appetite for treating the ruling class the same. All right, katie, what is your take on this proposed protective order . Should we be surprised . I dont think you should be surprised in part because in the protective order of the Justice Department, jack smith, it lays out that they had intended to file a protective order all along. They are now just including this tweet, showing how threatening it is. And i understand what glenn is saying that he would like things to go a little bit further, but i would know that in the protective order the Justice Department makes clear that among the materials that will be turned over in discovery, that the defense has said that it needs in order to proceed with its own defense and its own preparation, are the names of witnesses, our other Grand Jury Material that could show who is talking to the Justice Department and that these names, these identities, even the identities of those who worked on the case, these people who are filter teams looking at the evidence, these are things that the Justice Department does call out and say clearly if they get these to the defense that these things need to be treated very carefully and that the defendant, donald trump, is not even allowed to have copies of many of these materials of his own. He can only look at them when he is with his lawyers in part because they fear that these names could get out into the public. All right, mr. Thrash, lets talk about this new push to get cameras in the courtroom. Even Donald Trumps lawyer says that he wants them there. What are the chances it happens . I dont know, i think were going to see, now that we are actually in the middle of this process whether or not trumps team is going to go for it. What is notable is one of the members of congress has been pushing for this is adam schiff, who is obviously involved in the january 6th committee. So there is a sense that if you present the same evidence in a more compelling environment than congress that it will actually benefit the democrats. So i think trump says a lot of things upfront and then backtracks, but i want to address this whole dynamic in general. Today is what we are going to see. Donald trump understands very well the steep odds that he faces within the courtroom. His best chance, in his view, is to wage war against this entire process. We are entering into a very difficult and potentially dangerous moment in American History where we have an empowered front runner for the president ial nominations of the Republican Party who is not merely at war with the political opposition, but is now at war with the Law Enforcement establishment of the United States. So i think people should realize that this is what we are going to see and, in terms to address the other glenns comment about blocking him up on this, i can tell you from my conversations with folks over at the Justice Department that this is the last thing they want. They dont want to rise to the bait. This protective order, as katie said, was in the works already. They included it so that they could have on the record that they noticed that this happened and put him on a bit of warning, but they do not want to play into trumps hands and turn this into a situation where he could be Gagged Inside of a jail cell. That is the worst outcome for the Justice Department. Councillor kirschner, i see you nodding your head. Yeah, we can certainly come at dangerous with a piece of it, i understand of that. 30 years, when i had the evidence that someone was a clear and convincing danger to the community or a flight risk or, as we are now one step closer, if they refuse to abide by conditions of release you apply the rule of law without fear or favor. Donald trump has had the rule of law applied with a favorite for far too long, which is precisely why we are here and i think matters will get worse, stephanie, in your lead in i heard donald trump say that they are prosecuting our movement. Not that they are prosecuting him, that is the message that they will be sending every day and less Law Enforcement does what the law allows. Mr. Thrash, we are watching trump test out these defenses like freedom of speech, turning and saying that i was relying on my lawyers. Neither of these defenses hold up in a court of law, so what is he really doing . Is he trying to win over the court of Public Opinion because, in truth, the defense that he is banking on more than anything is getting reelected. And delaying. Spaghetti meet wall. Everything that he can throw at this he will throw at this. Apart from the constitutional legal arguments that his team is going to make, i think that john laura, his lawyer in court yesterday, and i was in the courtroom and it was an extraordinary moment, spent a fair amount of time we linguist a magistrate talking about how much time was required. Incorrectly he said the government had three and a half years to investigate trump, why are we only getting 90 days under the speedy trial provision . So i think the principal strategy is going to be to delay, delay, delay. Okay, katie, i am sorry to do this to you but i think i am giving you the most difficult question of the night. Yesterday trump complained on camera and today he did it on social media, complaining about the filth of washington, d. C. Does this man not need to win over d. C. Jurors . What is this getting him . The sea is filthy and disgusting, please find me not guilty. I dont get it . I dont think that there is anything that donald trump could say too many d. C. Jurors at this point, and hes a man who won the presidency based on the Cam Pain Slogan drain the swamp. So i think that trump is really just beating trump in this moment, this is a jury pool that people have talked a lot about, they have said already that if you look demographically, its perhaps not going to work in his favor. But if you see rhetoric like this, and this is a light example but some of trumps rhetoric is it going to start undercutting his ability for his lawyers to defend him because not only will he insult the jury pool, but he will start to feed misinformation, disinformation, false information into the public and make statements that one cannot be made by his lawyers in court because lawyers cannot say things that are untrue in Court Without facing severe consequences, and, to, that the judge might even take issue with, which could bring him more problems down the line. So yes, of course calling it easy filthy and insulting the city is probably not the best way to move voters, there are other bigger problems of trumps rhetoric that i think could cause a clashes down the line, that we cannot even predict right now. Your town socks, it is filthy and grows, please find me not guilty and then let me move into the white house for in the middle of your nasty town. I dont get it. Glengarden, or help me understand this. Trump is going to be asking for a delay after delay, saying that they dont have enough, time theyve got to get their head around this, but at the same time he is going to have a jampacked campaign schedule. Can he really stay to the judge that i cannot make it because im going to be at tuscaloosa in a rally . Yeah, you can see i dont have time for these pesky criminal trials because i am busy trying to get back into the white house. So, perhaps i can get rid of my federal criminal cases altogether. I think he has met his match in judge chutkan. I know her most directly from when i was trying murder cases against her across the street from federal court, in d. C. Superior court, and i will tell you, i would say she is a worthy opponent. I would have to ask whether i was a worthy opponent to her. She is a strong, smart, tactically savvy, and entirely honorable, trustworthy opponent and defense attorney. I have been in her courtroom, watching her preside over criminal cases more recently. I think trump and his defense team have met their match. I think she is going to set a speedy trial. It wouldnt surprise me if we saw a trial not long after the first of the year. I think some of the other trials that donald trump has on his schedule may take a back seat, like da alvin braggs Second Civil Trial and civil trials almost always take a backseat to criminal trials, particularly federal criminal trials. 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