Facing 78 Felony Counts across three separate Criminal Cases with a four potential indictment from Fulton County, georgia coming any day now. This d. C. Case and the charges now facing the former president are as serious as it gets. Here is trumps own former Attorney General bill barr. I think this case is the most serious of the cases because the conduct here involved trying to subvert and prevent the progress, the execution, probably the most important process and proceeding we have in our country, which is the peaceful transfer of power after an election. Putting aside whether its criminal or not, you know, it i dont see how the Republican Party can nominate someone who is capable of doing Something Like that. So were going to have more of that interview in just a moment with the man who was asking those questions. We also have the latest on what lawyers who practice frequently in washington, d. C. Are calling an unusual warning the former president received from the judge yesterday. I want to get right to it with Garrett Haake, who was in the courtroom during yesterdays arraignment along with jeff bennett as well. Garrett, lets start off with you. Tell me about what stood out to you in that courtroom yesterday and then talk a little bit about this warning, this unusual warning we heard from the judge. Yeah, look, this is my third arraignment in the courtroom with donald trump and the former president is clearly getting much more comfortable in that environment, certainly than he was in new york when this all got started back in april, but he was, you know, responsive to the judge several times, standing up to be sworn in, answering specific questions. Talking to his attorneys and looking around the room at basically everybody except jack smith, who was sitting diagonal from him maybe 15 feet away. The pair were clearly aware at one another. You could tell trump was trying to avoid smiths gaze, smith going very much the other direction, keeping his eye on trump throughout the course of the hearing. One of the more interesting things about the hearing itself is kind of an admonition from the judge, not the typical youre about to be out on bond here are the rules portion of this but the very specific warning about not trying to intimidate or bribe or otherwise coerce any witness or anyone involved in this case and certainly not to discuss specifics of the case with any witness. Given how donald trump has made everything about his legal challenges into sort of public, political issues, it will be very interesting to see how or indeed if those warnings from the Magistrate Judge are followed. Jeff, talk to me about this interview, speaking about the former Attorney General bill barr there while this Arraign Arraignment was actually happening. He thinks that jack smith has a pretty strong case against the former president but he doesnt think hes actually going to see any jail time. Why is that . Its really interesting. I asked the Attorney General about that. He said he doesnt think the country can withstand the spectacle of a form are former president doing prison time. I asked president trumps attorney is there any universe in which donald trump would accept a plea and john laro said, no, that the president views his defense against these cases as an extension of the promise he made to fight for the American People and Attorney General barr said he wouldnt counsel donald trump to accept a plea. But we are a long way off from prison time and plea deals and all of that. What i would say is nobody can question bill barr for his conservative credentials or the fact that he was one of Donald Trumps most effective, loyal and influential Cabinet Members and faced criticism from democrats and Establishment Republicans for enabling donald trump during the administration and really giving rise to some of his most autocratic impulses. And so thats why its really notable to have someone like a bill barr come out and blow huge holes through all of Donald Trumps legal teams stated defenses for his behavior leading up to january 6th. I want to play a little bit of that exchange that you had with him and then well talk on the other side. I actually think this stuff about prison time is hyped. At the end of the day, even if hes convicted of both crimes, i dont think he will serve a day in prison. As a former president , its inappropriate . I think hell have a Felony Record but i think any president , republican or democrat, in any Department Of Justice would basically cut some kind of deal so we dont have the spectacle of a former president in prison. I dont think thats going to happen. Now, the president is out there of course saying hes at risk of 500 years in prison or Something Like that because hes raising money. He also spoke about, jeff, geoff, you mentioned who he was then and who he is now. Hes not a democrat, right . He still vehemently agrees with many of. Former president s policies, believes the Department Of Justice has not done the hunter biden case as well as it should have been done, that they kind of dropped the ball on that. He did say if he was asked to testify by the Special Counsel, he would. What kind of witness, considering his history, his position in the trump administration, what kind of witness would he be, geoff . Well, i can tell you this, i asked him if he believed that donald trump knew he was lying about having lost the election and the former Attorney General said yes, that it became clear to him that donald trump was Cherry Picking Information and it was basically crowd sourcing among attorneys who he viewed favorable to him to get the information that he needed to make the case that there was fraud and that this investigation needed to move forward, the investigation that the Special Counsel characterizes as a conspiracy in the indictment. So bill barr could give potentially more insight into that aspect. Remember, he did resign so was not there toward the very end of the trump term, but he had unique access to the man, had unique access to his thought processes, to his thinking and to the team of attorneys, now the six unindicted coconspirators who had Donald Trumps here at the time. The Attorney General would not engage in the question as to whether or not he had already spoken to the Special Counsel team, but he did say that if he was called as a witness, that he would be more than happy to testify. Garrett, real quick here, you and i are on this train we didnt know was going to exist, which is the indictment train. Three, possibly four coming in the next couple weeks. Couple that with the train you are on, which is the Trump Campaign trail, right, how are they planning are managing the intersection of these trials that are coming up along with the campaign trail, the primaries and are they seeing these trials as a way to campaign, if in fact he wont be able to be out there . I think that is a good point. Certainly theyve been able to use his arraignments as a tool to raise money. The single biggest fundraising day was the day of the new york arraignment and miami was a big day for them and they are used these arraignments and indictments quite effectively to basically block out the sun and choke off any attention to any other republican candidate in the primary. Its worked for them thus far, though it does get more and more complicated. If theres another arraignment and indictment in georgia soon and the Court Appearances start to stack up. So far donald trump has been able to avoid other hearings. He just submitted paperwork today to not appear in florida on an arraignment on the new documents charge, remember that story from a week ago now . Hes going to plead not guilty to those but he doesnt have to show up. His lawyers are going to try to keep him out of the courtroom as much as possible but its going to get more and more complicated as the schedule wraps up. Right now hes not doing as much on the campaign as other candidates. Hes not doing bus tours, multiday states and that kind of thing because he doesnt have to given the strong position hes in in the republican primary. Scheduling complication, something that Garrett Haake knows well right about now. Thats right. Geoff bennett, great to see you as well. I want to bring in deputy chief in the Southern District of new york, kristy greenberg. I want you to pick up with where i left off with Geoff Bennett talking about the possibility of bill barr testifying in front of the Special Counsel if he in fact were asked to do so and he said he would do it. What type of witness would he be, considering the fact that he has been open about the fact that he still agrees with the former president s policies. He may not vote for him but hes still very much in his camp when it comes to his politics. I think he would be a very strong witness because he is somebody who was appointed by trump, he does not have any bias towards trump. Either trump put him in the position as Attorney General and hes somebody who is going to explain exactly what happened and what his advice was repeatedly, that there was no finding from d. O. J. Of Election Fraud and that he continued to reiterate that message, as did others to the president. So i think just in terms of credibility and consistency of message, he would be a strong witness. Talk about the warning the former president got from this judge yesterday that seems somewhat odd when we talked to a lot of legal experts on the ground in washington in a not many other folks get. It was certainly an unusual message, but not a message that was unwarranted. Clearly the judge was aware of Donald Trumps track record of the kinds of dark posts that hes been putting out there on social media, on truth social, seeming to try to intimidate prosecutors, witnesses, judges. So it was not an inappropriate message and i think it sent a clear signal that in d. C. , as this case goes forward, the judges are not going to have a lot of tolerance for his kind of antics on social media, any kind of witness tampering, any attempts to affect an infect the jury pool. I think it was an appropriate message. I want to talk about expectations as were looking ahead to august. The government has been asked to file a brief by august 10th. Trumps defense team will have to file a brief in response by august 17th. Then were looking at the first hearing to discuss that timeline at 10 a. M. On august 28th. If you will, give us kind of the expectations that you see Going Forward when it comes to both the prosecutions deadline in just a couple of days and then the defense on august 17th. I think we can look for jack smiths january 6th case to be the first Criminal Case against donald trump to go to trial. And i think it will go to trial in the first half of 2024. Youre going to see a push from jack smith to have that trial go first. Now, the judges will confer privately. Obviously he has other trials already on the calendar, but i think those schedules will be adjusted. January 6th is the most serious Criminal Case with serious charges and it is a case of intense Public Interest. You have a former president and a current president ial candidate being charged with trying to overturn the results of the prior president ial elections. Theres intense Public Interest in having a resolution, a jury verdict, before having to cast a vote. Also you have the consequences of delay. This case could go away if trump or any other republican becomes the president. They can either pardon if theres a conviction or if there isnt a conviction yet or a trial yet, there could be a dismissal of the case by the new Attorney General. So given that all of those factors, youre going to see jack smith really push for an aggressive schedule and youre going to see donald trump do the opposite. Hes going to pull every delay tactic which we already saw a bit of in front of the Magistrate Judge. I believe his defense said three separate times that they needed more time over and over again. Right. And really thats because they dont want this to go to trial before the election. They have a Delay Strategy and theyre going to stick to it. Thanks so much. Appreciate it. Coming up, what impact this third indictment is having on Donald Trumps very loyal base. And speaking of indictments, the former president is still facing, if you can believe this, a possible fourth in georgia on election interference. The latest from the Fulton County d. A. Plus Police Identify another victim in the gilgo beach murders. What we now know about the woman who was for decades known as jane doe number 7. We are back in just 60 seconds. Now is the time to partner with our experts. Get started today with verizon business. Its your business. Its your verizon. My frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. For one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. One pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. Welcome back. The former president is going to be Juggling Courtrooms and campaign trails. The man who was his Vice President will also be hosting an event tonight in New Hampshire. Mike pences own testimony and notes were some of the strongest evidence against trump in this indictment. Joining me now from the first primary saturday of New Hampshire is julia jester. Thanks for joining us on this. Appreciate it. The first indictment did not seem to have an effect on Donald Trumps base. How are voters reacting to indictment number three . Reporter well, there seems to be a little bit of indictment fatigue among voters here in New Hampshire. Speaking to voters that are undecided or leaning toward trump, they care more about the Kitchen Table issues than anything. We spoke to one trump supporter who recognized maybe trump in all three indictments didnt act in the most proper way, but in terms of how it should impact the election, this is what he told me. Right now it just seems to me like theres too many human issues that are being trumped up, that has nothing to do with what this country is going through right now and what the country is going through is quite, from my point of view, is quite devastating. Reporter and for republican primary voters, especially independent voters who can vote in that republican primary, they would much rather talk about the economy and Foreign Policy because in their minds, nothing that trump does is going to change what his base thinks about him. That was reflected in conversations that we had with Trump Supporters whose opinions were not swayed by the first two indictment and its certainly not going to be with the third, even though they are completely different. I love that you played that sound for me. For more on this, we are joined by nbc news Political Editor mark murray. Julia teed us up to what were talking about. Were talking to folks that there are some Trump Devotees maybe not devotees but swing voters who are not sure if theyre going to do it this time because they are disillusioned with the baggage hes bringing to the table. I think there are two different bases. There usually seem to be one in four, one in five republican primary voters who end up saying, look, ive had enough of donald trump, i want to go in a completely different direction. What is notable, particularly in this crowded field that about half of republican primary voters say we want donald trump to remain our political leader, even despite the multiple indictments and that half, 50 , could end up being a winning percentage in contests like iowa, New Hampshire and south carolina. So thats like there is a divide but still overwhelmingly a lot of republicans still back donald trump. What is interesting when you actually turn to independent voters and general election voters, there does seem to be a drag and this is where donald trump could end up being very vulnerable. There is a new abc news poll that ended up coming out just after the latest indictment and it did show that independent voters seem to show that this is a more serious charge than past indictments of the former president. And of course i do think that were going to get even a better picture of the Polling Sentiment around donald trump and this latest indictment in the weeks ahead. It still is a little too early to g