So good to see you again. When this all happened last night, i thought of many things, but i did think of you, and ill tell you why. Its evidence related. You have used your knowledge, your program over the many months of this to talk about how initially it was pretty clear that the Justice Department was not going beyond the events of that day, and you and i talked about that. Other reporters have weighed in, and im curious even though i know you have been talking about it for two hours how you think we got here. Because what we saw in this indictment that i thought was both strong, gripping and bad for the indicted donald trump, was how long and repeatedly they tried to end democracy in america. Yeah, the indictment is so harrowing, and i think that jack smith was at this for just ten months, obviously he built on all of the good work of the committee. I have learned that things are never as clean as what they appear, and we dont always have all the facts before them. But i think theres been some pretty conclusive reporting in the Washington Post and other places that there is an unexplained gap. And there are a lot of defenders that Merrick Garland has on social media, and he deserves to have them. It is undeniable that we are in a position now with that stunning 45page indictment with six coconspirators work crimes against democracy as well as four specific crimes against laws on our books, that may or may not be adjudicated before the country has to go vote again, and im not sure that we have a way to learn as a public why that is, right . I mean, it didnt have to be this way. I said this on my show i dont know that ive ever agreed with trump except for yesterday when he announced his own second federal indictment, and he said, they waited two and a half years to do this. They did. That may be an inconvenient truth, an understandable truth. We dont know why as a public that is the fact, but it is true that we waited two and a half years. I know some of your brilliant coverage has drilled down at the specifics. They dont get better from what congress was able to gather without all the Justice Department. It gets worse. His criminality gets more abundant apply clear. So when youre turning over rocking and looking for trump, you never find something that excuses the behavior. You find something that make it more sinister, more premed dated and more intentional. Whats striking is youre better off the cuff than many of us are when we write it down. Thats so not true. It is true. Im like a runaway car. I have been going fortwo hours. Perfectly phrased final three words that are all precise to what were dealing with. Great to see you. Ill see you again very soon. Thank you, my friend. Have a great show. Appreciate it. Welcome to this Special Edition of the beat. Today americans woke up to headlines like this trump charges for january 6th with his alleged coconspirators splashed across the front page, as nicolle and i were just discussing, august 1, 2023, yesterday, will be marked in history. Where were you . Perhaps you were watching live when the news broke about 25 years ago or maybe you saw an i the lert on a phone or on social media and checked to see if he got indicted for january 6th. By the time Special Counsel jack smith spoke this was about 24 hours ago, the wheels of justice were in motion compelling defendant donald trump to come to court thursday. The first time trump will face a judge on accusations of crimes committed while he was in office, which is a big singular difference. The first charge is for attacking american democracy. The first charges that tie him and his top aides and lawyers to january 6th itself. We dont know if this case will result in the conviction of donald trump or do so before the election, as discussed with nicolle. He is legally presumed innocent. We dont know if the Unindicted Coconspirators will be indicted or not. We dont know if they may fortify this case against trump with their own testimony. What we do know tonight, and i want to get into this with you, is that this case changes everything. We know the past parade of Trump Scandals and probes and even some indictments are now dwarfed by this Coup Conspiracy Case that jack smith unveiled. Prosecutors can charge someone with very basic evidence and leave the wider story, the extra details, the testimony until trial. Or they can use the indictment as an opening salvo. Use it to tell the story of the alleged crimes. You probably know by now jack smith took that fact. Thats why we keep hearing about this as a Speaking Indictment. The prosecutor is really talking here, as Defendant Trump has the right to remain silent. And that mismatch and power evokes a lain from lil kim, speak when youre spoken to and only with permission, like ef hutton when i talk, juries listen. Well, the Special Counsel has everyone listening now, and that was evident as this news broke. Here is just a selection of how that big news felt in realtime. Breaking news in one of the Special Counsels investigations. The 45th president of the United States has been indicted by a grand jury in washington, d. C. On four criminal counts. Here it is right here. The United States versus donald j. Trump. Donald trump has been indicted. The largest investigation in our history. The attack on our Nations Capital on january 6th, 2021, was fueled by lies lies by the defendant. We talk about a Speaking Indictment . This is something more like a shouting indictment. Yeah. This is incredibly detailed. This shows a singular focus for jack smith on speed. A Federal Grand Jury has now criminally indicted the former president. Jack smith wants to get to trial and he wants to get the trial quickly. The new indictment of former president donald trump. Perhaps the most consequential case in the history of the Justice Department. This is a grave day and a serious one for our country. Grave, serious, a case and a process that will test this nation. And i know we have lived through a lot and people dont like the hype and hyperbole, and if you watch this program you know we try to keep it on the level, but ill put my name on the following statement this is the most important case the Justice Department has ever brought. Period. And what happens now will matter, either way. The indictment builds on of course the findings from the January 6th Committee. It adds new evidence. And in your Special Report now, one day out from the indictment dropping, we are going to dig into the revelations with you, because the evidence backs up the charges trump conspired to defraud the u. S. , Obstruction Proceeding and. Now, some of the thwarted attempts were stopped. Some of the plots worked up to a point. But remember and smith uses this in the indictment trumps efforts did delay the certification of President Elect bidens win on january 6th. It did not happen at the appointed time. Smith exposes that Trump Officials within the government, including one you see on your screen, were ready for violence in advance, including a chilling exchange with Jeffrey Clark, an Unindicted Coconspirator. He worked at doj and tried to hijack that entire department, which, again, interestingly is now charging donald trump and lists him as an Unindicted Coconspirator. He tried to overthrow his bosses, a white house lawyer told clark the legal fact that trump would vacate for biden and any coup would be met with protests and riots. Smith says clark responded, thats why theres an insurrection act. Think about what that means tonight. Thats coming from inside the government. Trumps doj hack, one indicted coconspirator, raising the idea that then President Trump might use Military Force to hold on to power, to crush protests. Thats incriminating. And there were signs that the military National Guard would not follow any attempted illegal orders by the outgoing president. Indeed, there was reporting on that, you might recall. By the end of january 6th, those forces were called in to halt the fans of donald trump and their now convicted crimes, not to help trump illegally stay in office. That new evidence suggests smith has notes or testimony from the person on the other end of that conversation, the same path to new details on how trump tried to issue a legal demand to Vice President pence as the charges cite contemporaneous notes by pence, which means like comby, figured out when trump makes sketchy demands you need receipts. Think of the tantalizing detail of the conversation. This was days before the riot, pence telling investigators how trump was beraing pence by phone, and when pence stated the obvious fact, trump responded, quote, youre too honest. Everyone saw the danger pence faced from trump fans. Security video showed opinions fleeing from the mob. His boss unleashed. Now, the indictment shows late into the night after pence fled, after Law Enforcement restored order, after everything went down, trump and his aides continued their plot to hijack the certification. They used that violence and pressed on. It shows trump trying to reach two senators as late as 6 00 p. M. That day. Thats after everything went down. And smith ends the Speaking Indictment with that as the damning climax, showing while the nation saw the senate reconvene on the floor ransacked by trump fans, the convicted seditionists, horror at the insurrection that just unfolded that sent them fleeing and running and scared, that Word Insurrection was first used on the floor that night by republican mitch mcconnell. While that was the widespread public reaction, this new indictment shows how trump and some of his aides were continuing the alleged conspiracy. Now, we pulled this for you because i got tell you, after everything and how much the republicans back slid, it can be easy to forget just how strongly even some of trumps gop allies were rebuking the insurrection that very night. We will not bow to lawlessness or intimidation. This failed insurrection only underscores how crucial the task before us is for our republic. All i can say is count me out. Enough is enough. Reporter now, those quotes are not offered tonight in the service of judgment or political hypocrisy or many of the other ways we have heard them in the past. Theyre offered in this legal Special Report for one evidentiary reason alone to remind everyone as jack smith does in this indictment, that was the response from both parties. I could have shown you other members of congress of course rebuking that insurrection. It was taken as a kind of automatic, obvious thing that this was terrible and that they were going to move on to certify. Indeed, whatever you think of Donald Trumps very late tweets, even they publicly claimed that it was time to go home and be peaceful. Jack smith isnt just relying on what politicians say in public. So let me show you something that makes it a lot more likely donald trump could end up in prison. In secret, trump and his Unindicted Coconspirators continued on, as i showed you there, attempting to reach senators as late as 6 00 p. M. Theres more. Its worth recalling after all that, eight republicans still backed the plot by voting against certifying bidens win that night. Now, what were Donald Trumps Unindicted Coconspirators pushing for in their last desperate pitch . You are forgiven if you dont exactly remember. Some of this is public, some were learning from indictment and details. But this is important, again, for what a jury will hear and decide about whether to convict trump. Whether trump would spend future days not in an oval office but in a rectangular cage. Jack smith notes minutes before midnight, lawyer john eastman was back at it, pressing mike pences lawyer in writing, in an email, that they should still try to fraudulently claim when they reconvene there was a fake violation in the electoral count act. For ten days that was the pitch. Just give us ten more days to allow the legislatures to finish their investigations. You see 11 44 p. M. At the top of your screen. Thats from the indictment. This was after pence fled for his life. The plotters were still trying to demand he would join them in the plot hatched against him. Thats what they wanted, those ten days. Listen to one of the republicans who voted against certification that night, after the violence, after the insurrection, after mcconnell said this was a terrible insurrection. Listen the this trump ally in the context that we have tonight asking for what . A tenday delay. Weve seen in the last two months unprecedented allegations of voter fraud. Conduct a tenday emergency audit. Consider the evidence. That was the floor of the senate, jan 6th, tenday audit. Thats how the night ended. Whats vital in this story, and we have more later in the program, is how smith broadens the case that you see here, not just one day, but a long running Coup Conspiracy. The Fraudulent Electors plot which begins on the upper left of your screen as marked green, because initially there was nothing illegal about lining up the possibility of other electors. That was weeks prior, and it continues, turning to Something Else by the time you get to january. This began with the range of sham proceedings, as smith calls them, across seven states designed the fraudulently instill some kind of doubt about lawful Biden Electors there. And then giuliani giving lying presentations. By the way, he recently admitted under legal pressure that he was lying on some of the matters. Trump aides were so desperate they even lied to their own most hard core republican fans that he recruited to join the plot. Again from the indictment, giuliani falsely assured republicans in biden won states like pennsylvania that theyd only use the certificates if trump proceeded in litigation to win back that state. That was a lie. They dont just lie to, you know, the opponents or the referees or lie about the press holding them accountable. Theyre lying to their hard core fans for the loing president , losing to the President Elect. In another state, they didnt have litigation may sound like were getting into the details. These details are a difference in whether youre dead to rights or have the defendant or not. Expose the nature of the fraud and how because they had been assuring the trump focus had been assures their fans, hey, were only going to do this if this peppeding litigation works out. In some states they didnt have litigation so they ginned up a fake case, filing a suit in new mexico six minutes before the noon deadline for the electors votes so there would be pending litigation at the time the Fraudulent Electors voted. In reality, the trump team, team coup knew they already lost most cases. Knew the fake case was designed as a pretext. The real plan was to push the Fraudulent Electors no matter what, which they did, all the way through january 6th. This is something weve shown you before courtesy of the January 6th Committees evidence, where they had a senate aide trying to get a senator, johnson, to hand elector fraud to pence. That was as of 12 30 p. M. You see on the left, just minutes before pence walked in. Thats how long running this went, all the way up to then. You see the response, do not give that to him. Pence aides were forming a phalanx to protect him. Smith knew this was wild. The indictment chose one Unindicted Coconspirator plotting with a lawyer to describes this plot im telling you about as kind of wild, creative. Well be sending in fake electoral votes to pence so that, quote, someone in congress can make an objection when they start Counting Votes and they, the Trump Supporters would start arguing that the, quote, fake votes should be counted. Yeah, scare quotes do a lot of work there. Now, why does smith include that . Shows that even on the inside they knew this was not about honestly debating the electors, it was about lying to create a fake debate so pence or someone might exploit it. Which he refused to do. And why the he refuse to do that . Its not because he opposes donald trump. Youve seen him campaign lately. Hes soft and supportive of trump despite trump fans targeting to murder him. Why did mike pence draw the line here and not in so many other places . I can give you the answer tonight in a way i couldnt have yesterday morning or any other point in time. I can give you the answer with a legal certitude. Mike pence said no then at the end of the line to joining an illegal coup for one reason and one reason only he had his lawyers, he looked around, and he determined he did not want to be today the seventh coconspirator in this damning Coup Conspiracy indictment. Those are just some of the new details were gathering. Im going to take a oneminute break and bring in Special Counsel barry burke. Were back in 60 seconds. Back is oh good. You got another mask . Are you the ceo of cashbacking . No, youre not. Earn big with Chase Freedom Unlimited. How do you cashback . You ever try cashbacking . Its earning 3 at drugstores with Chase Freedom Unlimited. So i can save on Something Special for a first date . Wait thats all for a first date . Whoa. Alright, cmon. Earn big with Chase Freedom Unlimited with no annual fee. How do you cashback . Were back with our coverage of this big Speaking Indictment that we have been making our way through since it first dropped about 25 hours ago. Im joined now by barry burke, a experienced attorney and play a key role in both trump in the meantime impeachments. Welcome back. Thank you, ari. Pleasure to be here. This walks through things we knew and that the committee helped show. On the other it does add details and paints a fuller picture of this Coup Conspiracy. Do you think its a strong case . And what do you think of the points i raise about Vice President pence . In all seriousness he could have been on the other side of this if he acted differently. You said it so well he didnt want to join the conspiracy. He saw what was happening and said, im not engaging in criminality. In criminal cases often they present evidence of the people who recognize what was going on and didnt want to be part of it. So his refusal will be a big part of the case. As you know, i try a lot of cases. I go up against the doj all the time. This is a powerful indictment. It has everything. Tells a compelling story, everything tied together, and shows throughout in a way that not anyone can understand but satisfies all the elements of the crimes. Typically you see evidence like this, defendants own words that convict him when it involves just money. This is an indictment telling a compelling story that shows fraud and deceit in the worst possible way for the worst time, to interfere with our electionsing to undermine our democracy. Jurors are going to care about it. It also has violence, because the January 6th Attack was the ultimate culmination when mike pence made clear he wasnt going to do this. Lets show the quote on the violence. On the evening of january 6th, trump and Coconspirator One attempted to exploit the violence at the capitol by calling lawmakers to convince them, based on lies, to delay the certification. I show there that people like senator cruz were saying, before, give us ten more days. After the january 6th night he was on the floor of the senate still saying ten more days. Ten days takes you out into that constitutional crisis. These folks werent any more serious about a tenday investigation than they were about the elector fraud being real. They thought if they got close enough to the 20th and as, jeffly clark put it, Military Force on the home front, that they might stay in power. Or that the Supreme Court wouldnt want to come in on the 18th or 19th. They understood that aspect of creating panic and chaos. Does jack smith have to show to a jury that it could have been even worse . How does he use that information . I thought the stuff about the doj official musing about a coup was chilling, although we have this misleading tradition of american exceptionalism that say it wouldnt happen here. They dont have to prove any of that. All they have to show, it was an attempt to interfere with the certification of the vote, that he involved in knowingly engaging in fraudulent means. The whole scheme with the fake electors, misleading people, making false representations, that shows the crime. The fact that it wasnt successful has nothing to do with it. Attempts are charged every single day. What it does show, what you highlight, is how real and serious this is. While its not an element of crime, motive is important to show the motive of the defendant, but also to make sure jurors care about this. In a criminal case to show how real this was and this defendant not only tried to weaponize the powers of the presidency this he controlled and the denial dj and alike to take over the election, try to force these senators to do certain things, to try to interfere with the certification is one of the most powerful cases you said that you could imagine and they have the evidence that lays it out. I think what the indictment does so well is by walking it through the story, the narrative, and january 6th is the culmination. So the fact that it wasnt successful shows while the scheme was so brazen, ultimately there were forces in place and guardrails that prevented the interference with the peaceful transfer of power for the first time. But it got close, and donald trump would not take no for an answer. When mike pence said no, doj said no, the state people said no, his lawyers, he said, im going to do more. Every time they said no, he escalated. When he sent that first email out to his constituents or first tweet, come to the capital january 6th, it will be wild, that was just after his council, his Chief Council told him that these schemes to seize Voting Machines would not work. Then when mike pence said hes not doing it, he sent out another one to remine his craw to come. Theres a powerful story of desperation to ininterfere with the election at any costs. As you said, what happened on january 6th, not only did he reach out to senators but he kept tweeting when mike once was in trouble. He didnt care about anything. Multiple plots that are seeded, now they have for the first time been charged as such. Thats what we have coming up. Barry burke, thank you so much. 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Comcast business, powering possibilities. Welcome back. We are a day out of these charges as i mentioned, and i want to walk through Something Big picture with you. When the nation woke up on january 7th, 2021, most people felt like they knew what happened, what we saw, and we heard a focus on that day. Republicans cast it as a riot that day that got out of control. Top democrats impeached trump for inciting an insurrection that day. There was actually a shared premise there that it was all about the events of that day. Indeed ive mentioned on this program before that the democrats who fought to have a January 6th Committee do the investigation broke down what the goals were, and initially it was about getting to the bottom of what happened that day. If youve watched coverage on this program, youll recall weve followed the evidence and pushed well beyond what was that shared premise. We said at the time those views were shared to suggest that was too narrow a view. Even i told you the impeachment was at the time understandably a focus on what the president said at the rally, it was too narrow. As a matter of fact of law, here they are. We counted eight plots to overturn the election. What youre looking at is from a report we first aired over ten months ago, which tracks them across time. You can see lawsuits and electors and getting the states to overturn votes, some of the things you were first trying. You are allowed to file lawsuits. Then they turned to desperate, extreme criminal measures. We voted most ended one things that were unconstitutional or possibly criminally indictable. I expanded on that thesis in a Written Introduction To The January 6th Report for harper collins. Now, all of this im saying to you tonight as we can catch up its one of the most interesting parts of keeping your eyes open and staying alive is getting information in the past. You might have said what if . And will we ever know . Tonight we do. This is about facts, not emotion. The facts im sharing are gleaned from reporting from government probes and now we can say tonight for the first time from the digital facts and evidence that we can report on base on new charges against trump for those plots. So now, as we look through this together, lets update that chart with these new developments, because while jack smith does not accuse trump of sedition or insurrection, he does indict trump and cites the coconspirators actions for plots we count here for the first time tonight, nail five of those original plots the Fraudulent Electors. You see that, indicted. The plot to get the state lnlers or other officials to steal their own citizens votes. Indicted. The pence plot, that he would somehow help overturn the votes, indicted. Thats why its so strongly featured in this set of charges i have been reporting on for you tonight. Finally, Sabotaging January 6th is criminal evidence in this indictment. What you see here is brand new and how we have been tracking these plots and how five of them are indicted. When you look at the electors, a trump aide who was intimately involved, boris epshteyn, toll us about it on the beat. I was part of the process to make sure there were alter mat electors when channels to the seated electors would be everything was done legally by the Trump Legal Team according to the rules of the Trump Legal Team and giuliani. We got that admission to giuliani. The indictment says they ultimately used the certificates of the Fraudulent Electors to deceitfully target the election. Then we go out to the states. Trump lied to the georgia Secretary Of State to try to get him to alter georgias vote and question the validity of the biden vote. It also says trump and Coconspirator One were calling the arizona speaker of the house, lying about false claims of Election Fraud aimed at interfering with arizonas electors. If you follow this coverage you understand those references. They dont state the name. They dont have to, but Everybody Knows the House Speaker is rusty bowers. We asked him about all of this earlier this year. According to your testimony, the evidence in the report, at late as january 4th was still calling you, urging to, quote, hold a vote. We just said, john, is there any ever, ever been anybody tried to do this . He said, no. I saiding you want me to put my state through this . He said just do it and let the courts figure it out. Thats one more person who declined to join the plot, and you can see today why. As for the Vice President i mentioned before earlier in the show, he didnt want to be the unindicted or indicted coconspirator number seven. New evidence he sought to enroll him. That is language for steal the thing. That didnt just come out of nowhere. There were a small number of hard core people ive called the members of team coup. Tonight they are several of them in undine itted conspiracy land, and there are others who may yet get into more trouble. This is the beginning not the end of the process. We questioned one of them, trump aide peter navarro. He was subpoenaed by congress and later indicted. The remedy was for Vice President pence as the quarterback in the green bay sweep to remand those votes back to the six battleground states. Do you realize you are describing a coup . No. It was one of those arrows arc a plot to get his political hacks or allies in the jobs to overthrow the election. We have Jeffrey Clark allegedly lined up by trump to take over the whole department. Clark basically accepted but it didnt come to fruition. Trump relented. He was told it would lead to mass resignations, that it wouldnt work. The final plot with alleged new details in the standing indictment is of course Sabotaging January 6th itself. There was no sedition charge. This is a key part of the criminal evidence that trump pushed on using the violence to try to get the delay and then eventually wanted the delay to keep him in office well into the night on january 6th. Trump Coconspirator One who weve identified as giuliani, attempting to exploit the violence based on knowingly false claims of Election Fraud. This is where the arrows analysis im sharing with you now overlaps with some of the reporting earlier in the hour, that trump attorney john eastman was still emailing and lobbying that pence violate the law. That is how jack myth puts it. Violate the law and seek further delay of the certification. Thats what adds up to the multiprong months long plan to steal an election on the very upper left in all fairness, lawsuits are allowed. Youll notice theres no indictment on that. But many of these other plots, some which began as early as november, some which steve bannon, navarro, and trump were clearly musing about before they had the election. Thats a sign you dont want, youre planning this before you get the results. Then the other stuff that came late and desperate pence, doj experience, and of course Sabotaging January 6th. Five of these plots i can report for you now stand as indicted alleged crimes. Will they be convicted crimes . Heres how the system works. That is up to the jury. Up to the people. We have a former federal prosecutor with extensive experience in exactly this arena, john flannery, to discuss all of this after the break. Dis all of this after the break. Witd and buy a better plane seat. Switch to a king suite or book a silent retreat. Silent retreat . Oh hold up earn big with Chase Freedom Unlimited with no annual fee. How do you cashback . Living with Metastatic Breast Cancer means i cherish my memories. But i dont just look back on them, i look forward to the chance to make new ones every day with verzenio. Verzenio is proven to help you live significantly longer when taken with fulvestrant. 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Because the term that he claims that theyre conspireing is the free exercise and enjoyment of a right or privilege theyre compromising, and its the right to vote and to have ones vote counted. That sums up the whole thing, and what you listed in your chart is clearly how they were going to do it. This is the object even the insurrection was the object of that illicit goal. And what weve done today is weve taken a turn toward home. That is to say, were returning to our republic. And jack smith and his vision quest has done that. You mention whats uncharged. Well put this up in full so everyone can see it. Didnt go after sedition, because they probably didnt feel they had quite enough evidence tying him to the other convicted seditionists. They didnt go after congress. You see congress overturned the votes. Theres question of constitutional protection for what congress does on the floor. They didnt go after the military thing. You know, if barack obama was caught trying to install a doj hack to seize Voting Machines, that alone could have been a fiveyear scandal. They dont even charge that, again, because i think that they didnt see it going far enough, so to speak, and then lawsuits as weve long said, lawsuits and free speech in public might be regretful, hateful, terrible, misleading, not indictable. What does it tell you about jack smith as restraint hes going to the jury with the stuff he has the strongest goods on, but not as another lawyer said, not really as an overcharge . I think what you can sense as you like to write, and editing is about writing, what hes done is edited what he could do so that it was a narrative that dictated the result by the telling of the story. And the telling of the story need not be so complicated in its subplots. Lets go for the gold, go for what we have. We have the former president in all these meetings and communicating and so forth some take the strongest possible narrative that conforms with what really happened and give it to a jury, and the jury, i think, will find what they already know from our experience all these years, that this man should be convicted and were restoring a public. John, we appreciate you tonight. Crisp, concise, thoughtful. With a note of gravity for history. Well be coming back to you in the days ahead. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Keep it up. Youre doing great. Appreciate it. Good to have you, john flannery. Were going to fit in a quick break, but up next, all eyes on we. How the world is looking at what jack smith and america is going through this week. Rica is going through this week. Now is the time to partner with our experts. Get started today with verizon business. Its your business. Its your verizon. With Chase Freedom Unlimited, you can cashback 3 on dining including takeout. 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We have gone from a world where people say Donald Trumps never held accountable to anything, for anything, to his third arraignment. This one the most serious, ranges federal criminal defendant for an Election Conspiracy to steal the election. We saw him in a New York City courtroom. That was the first. The federal courthouse doesnt let cameras in even for a second, so we turned to those sketches in florida. Tomorrow, well do it all again. We have it covered for you here on msnbc with a special plan, Rachel Maddow and our whole team here will be leading early coverage. If youve seen nights, oh, come in around 8. We have done that. But because of the timing, rachel will lead our coverage with 4 00 p. M. Along with the rest of the team you see here. This is both a news update and a programming update. If you want to watch or dvr, depending on your day, you might be out if its 1 00 p. M. Pacific, 4 00 p. M. Pacific, dvr to watch later when you have time. But we will be covering the third arraignment for an indictment of donald trump. That does it for our coverage. The reidout with joy reid picks up right now. Hi, joy. Hey, ari. Nice to have some certainty and know what our summer is going to look like . You know what were doing. I never try to make news in a toss. I dont have any news in our toss, although i love doing a toss with you. I will say it is possible there may or may not be other legal news. So, yeah. Gear up for august. And maybe it will have something to do with the state of georgia, i dont know. Could or could not, yeah. Could or could not. We dont know. We wont give fake news. Well just say maybe. See you tomorrow. Here is to maybe. A toast to maybe. Ill see you tomorrow. Thank you, ari. We begin tonight with what is likely to be not only the most significant criminal case against the twiceimpeached, thrice inct