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MSNBCW Chris July 4, 2024

Our nbc News Reporters are following all of the latest developments, and we begin with that Court Appearance in florida for Carlos De Oliveira. Nbcs ken dilanian following all the latest developments for us. Ken, break down what happened in the courtroom and whats going to happen between now and next week. Reporter good afternoon, chris. Mr. De oliveira made his first appearance in Federal Court to answer for these charges but wasnt able to enter a plea or have an arraignment because he didnt have local counsel licensed to practice in the Southern District of florida. So he will have to come back and do that. The real significance of this case is not really mr. De oliveira whos a lowlevel employee at maralago. Its that this new Superseding Indictment makes an extraordinary allegation against the former president , alleging that he conspired to destroy evidence that was under a Grand Jury Subpoena. It says essentially he ordered these two lowlevel employees, nauta and deol oliveira, to go down to florida and make these Surveillance Tapes disappear. Thats something that not even Richard Nixon was accused of. And the Superseding Indictment also says that classified war plans which are believed to include plans for a Military Attack on iran, the government has that document that was described in the original indictment that donald trump said didnt exist but that the government says he was waving around, he was talking on tape and showing to people who were not cleared to see it. So this Superseding Indictment is a big, big advance in this case. It makes it as much about Obstruction Of Justice as it is about classified documents. And now we see whether this case can get to trial before the 2024 election, chris. Ken dilanian, thank you. Now to moscow and sobering images of a drone attack as ukraine brings the War Deep Into russian territory. Nbc news chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel is following this story for us. Richard, what exactly happened and how is russia responding . Reporter so what exactly happened is a little bit difficult to know. We know that on Sunday Morning just around 4 00 in the morning there were two loud explosions in the financial district in moscow. Now, this is a small part right in the center of the city of highrise skyscrapers, glass towers. Not an area that would be very crowded at 4 00 in the morning. Clearly a business district. The two explosions happened. Now, russian Authorities Say there were three drones involved in this attack. Russia blamed the ukrainian ukrainians for carrying it out. And russia said that it managed to jam or intercept or interrupt two of the drones in moscow and stop a third one on the outskirts of the city. But its not clear if thats an exaggeration by russia, that it is claiming success, because clearly drones did get through, did explode, leave damage that was identifiable and clearly recognizable. This is a different kind of attack than the previous ones weve seen. But whats most unique about this is for the first time the ukrainians arent just flatly denying it, with president zelenskyy overnight saying that the war is moving to russia, that this is a natural progression and it is in his words wholly justified. Richard engel, thank you for that. In haiti, meantime, the race is on to find an american nurse and her child who were kidnapped near the capital city of portauprince. Nbcs monica elba is following this for us. Monica, whats the latest . Reporter well, this is in relation to an american nurse from new hampshire, chris, named Alix Dorsainvil and her young daughter. Both of them had been living in haiti for some time, working very closely with a Nonprofit Organization. And alix, this nurse, had been working as a school and Community Nurse for years, saying that she had worked tirelessly with many members of the community there specifically for year, considering haiti her home. But it comes as there has really been an uptick in these violent kidnappings as the country has seen its own incredible political turmoil. And really this has been a humanitarian crisis now as we have seen this Gang Violence continue to affect americans. It was last a couple of years ago that 17 missionaries were taken hostage. Some of them were released. Later others were able to flee their captors. But the white house and State Department are both closely monitoring what is happening with these two u. S. Citizens, os about the fact that they have been abducted but not saying much more beyond working with the partners you would expect. Heres a little more from the state Department Briefing just a couple of minutes ago. We are aware of the reports that two u. S. Citizens were kidnapped in haiti. Obviously the safety and security of american citizens overseas is our highest priority. We are in regular contact with the haitian authorities and will continue to work with them. Reporter and over the last couple years the u. S. Has given several Travel Warnings to americans not to go to haiti. And coincidentally, on the day that alix and her daughter were kidnapped last week they issued a Statement Issuing and really encouraging any nonessential personnel to leave haiti at this time. So the u. S. Officials very clear on the danger, the risks, the heightened situation there for americans. But the Nonprofit Organization that alix was working with put out their own statement over the weekend saying that this was somebody who wanted to be in haiti, who has dedicated her life to working tirelessly to help the people of haiti and that its something that she would like to continue to do as all of these different authorities work to hopefully get her and her daughter safely released in the days or weeks to come. Chris . Monica alba, thank you. In washington the battle to reform the Supreme Court is once again ramping up. Nbcs Gary Grunback joins me now. A top democratic senator is taking issue with some recent comments from Justice Samuel alito. What did he have to say . Reporter yeah, this all began when a Wall Street Journal opinion page came out. It was an interview with Justice Samuel alito. And he said that congress does not have the ability to regulate the Supreme Court. This is the same Justice Samuel alito who was under fire over the past few months because of his relationships, perhaps inappropriate, with gop mega donors including harlan crow. And the idea of some sort of Supreme Court Code Of Ethics has really swept through congress and really through the country in terms of what people want to see out of the Supreme Court. And that really obviously, as you can imagine, really irked some democratic lawmakers as well. Chris murphy got on the sunday shows this weekend. Heres what he had to say. First of all, its just stunningly wrong. And he should know that more than anyone else because his seat on the Supreme Court exists only because of an act passed by congress. It is congress that establishes the number of justices on the Supreme Court. It is congress that has passed in the past requirements for justices to disclose certain information. And so it is just wrong on the facts to say that congress doesnt have anything to do with the rules guiding the Supreme Court. In fact, from the very beginning congress has set those rules. Reporter now, theres talking about it on the sunday shows and then theres actually doing something about it. But that comes down to three things. The will power to do it, the margins to do it which they may or may not have here in congress, and then the schedule. Congress is now out for the next month. In september theyre going to be dealing with a number of items including most importantly perhaps funding the government by september 30th. And then the Supreme Court gets back in session in october. I find it hard to believe that a Code Of Ethics will be instituted midterm. Chris . Gary grumback, thank you for that. Coming up in 60 seconds, former President Trump calling on republicans to rally around him as his legal troubles mount. But then marches out on stage to this. 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Listen, i know the truth the truth is hard. I want to bring in brendan buck, former aide to Republican House speakers paul ryan and john boehner. Hes also an msnbc Political Analyst. Katherine christian is the former assistant d. A. At the Manhattan District Attorneys Office and an msnbc legal analyst. So brendan, whats your takeaway from those boos . We heard boos before when in front of the Faithful Trump has been criticized. But particularly trump again reiterating that the litmus test for republicans should be whether they push his lies about the election and socalled democratic fraud. And that is the kind of thing that gets members of congresss attention. You can be sure when he says stuff like that, youre a rankandfile member of the house, youre going to think about that. You dont want a primary. He alone has that kind of weight, that he can throw it around and push people around. And its been very successful. And its part of why he has had that chorus of people backing him up. Now, look, will hurd got booed at an event where donald trump was speaking. So thats not terribly surprising. Donald trump was also at that dinner. A lot of Trump Supporters there. I think the rest of the candidates there should be thanking will hurd for having a little bit of the courage to do that. It was one after the other, the more Top Tier Challengers at that dinner, they basically ignored the person who is beating them by 30 points. And then surprise surprise at the end of the dinner donald trump gets up and he attacks other people. Thats what he does. Its working for him. I think some of these other candidates should learn a lesson. Donald trump is not going to implode. These indictments have not led to him blowing up. You have to chip away at him. And it starts by doing uncomfortable things. Will hurd did it there. I dont know that will hurd is necessarily a toptier candidate at this point. But if other people did that they could start changing things. On the current course theyre not going to change. On the other side of it, katherine, Vivek Ramaswamy dismissed the importance of the latest charges. He basically said theyre part of a Process Crime. I want to play what he had to say. I think that our general norm in our Justice Department is you should not convict somebody of a Process Crime when there was no actual underlying crime. So i v i think thats a major you think destroying evidence is a Process Crime . I think it is by definition a Process Crime. Nobody left, right, any legal scholar will agree with me on that statement. That is by definition a Process Crime. A crime that would not have existed but for the existence of an investigation. Can you help us unpack that . Well, the definition of a Process Crime are crimes against the judicial system. So i think this candidate is saying we should do away with lying under oath, which is perjury. That shouldnt be a crime. Intentional disobedience of a court order. Thats criminal contempt. Hes saying i guess that shouldnt be a crime. Interfering with an official proceeding. Thats Obstruction Of Justice. So Process Crimes are crimes that go to the heart of the judicial system. So if you got rid of perjury and criminal contempt and you got rid of Obstruction Of Justice and destroying evidence, i see that would be a very big problem for the criminal Justice System in this country. Yeah. When you talk about this sort of chipping away for people who are not Vivek Ramaswamy, brendan, theres nikki haley, Chris Christie with his take on the new charges against not just trump but the two others in the documents case. Heres what he said. Its pretty brazen. These guys were acting like the corleones with no experience. I mean, the day after a Grand Jury Subpoena is served which includes the Surveillance Tapes they go down to maralago and walt nauta appears to be the fredo of this family. They send him to go down there. And they send him to go and delete it. While i think he was the right president at the right time, you know, earlier and while i think his policies were good, i dont think hes the right president at the right time going forward. I think weve got to move forward. Otherwise, we will have a general election thats doing nothing but dealing with lawsuits. Look, critics have been saying for a while that that is exactly what opponents of trump need to do. You just described this sort of chipping away. But honestly, honestly brendan, does that get them anywhere . Not all at once. But i think over time look, i think donald trump is by far the most likely person to win the nomination and that was the case to begin with. But i can tell you is if you sit around and do nothing hes absolutely going to be the nominee. Ron desantis, for example, is giving a speech or gave a speech today on the economy. Thats great. Thats a nice thing that you should do if youre running for president. But you know what would probably get a little more attention . Giving a speech that articulates the reason why you dont think donald trump should be the nominee. At some point all of them need to be articulating that. Its not early in this race anymore. Yeah. Like Little Things here and there are probably not going to change the trajectory of this race overnight. But youve got to start somewhere. Youve all got to jump in. And anybody thats trying to do some selfpreservation, which it feels like a lot of them are, are doing nothing but helping donald trump. When you talk about, katherine, the idea of what constitutes a crime, when you talk about the majority of other republicans who are running for president who are consistently defending donald trump, is there a larger danger here in dismissing essentially a Legal Process that has not played itself out . Well, firs

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