then i hope that i bring strength and say that the people united states, that i have the hearts of everyone in the night states. i am carrying the united states with me to say that we are standing with you. >> stay tuned, we are going to have more from first lady doctor joe biden's trip to ukraine with our saturday night panel within the next hour. coming up on this hour of ayman, the democratic states fighting back. how blue governors are working to protect a woman's right to choose. them by an gets tough a maga world, the president delivers is hard to serve you yeah of trump and his followers. more from simone's interview with first lady joe biden, including her reaction to the supreme court's leaked opinion. let's get started. should we be surprised that this week a leaked opinion from the supreme court sent shockwaves across the country. it did not actually take place in a vacuum. let's be clear about this, for years now, republicans have been saying the quiet part out loud, namely anything they disagree with and bullying anyone that disagrees with them. all too often, the people warning us about what republicans were capable have been labeled as alarmists. but it is not alarmists if everything they are warning about actually turns out true. one of my colleagues here at msnbc, adam weinstein, laid it out like this. it's not like they're going to actually bend muslims. it's not like they're actually going to revoke violently. it's not like they'll actually banned books. it's not like they're actually going to overturn roe. so far, alarmists have been more right then quietest. come june, should this leaked opinion come true, there is a lot to be alarmed about. here is president biden. >> this is about a lot more than abortion. the idea that, somehow, there is an inherent right, that there is no right to privacy. which next part is going to be attacked? >> since that leaked decision, one republican senate candidate floated the idea banning the use of contraception. louisiana lawmakers advanced a bill that would classify abortion is homicide. that means a woman suffering a miscarriage could be charged with murder. yes, this is actually happening in america in 2022. i think it is time that we stop calling people alarmists and start eating their warnings. let's bring in our center night all-star panel. what anushay hossain is a host of about. gas mara gay is a msnbc political contributor. alencia johnson is a political strategist did this and former consultant for president biden. >> mara, i want to start you and the idea of alarmism. a lot of people saw this decision of years ago, why weren't there are concerns and warnings taken seriously by other people and people that could have prevented this from happening? >> i think you are asking the right question. my concern is that it is really important to take, especially the far-right, at their word. if they say that they want to do something, as they have been saying for 30 years, that they want to overturn roe, we should take that seriously and act, accordingly. i think, unfortunately, there has been a lot of investment in denial because we are so exhausted and wary from the past six years. you had, as trevor noah said i believe, excuse me, the president -- there was the played of president trump and then after that, the actual played of covid. people are exhausted. there is a sense among those for whom authority and institutions in america and have been protective, there are not the first to see what is really happening. i think it is really important that we listen to minority groups in united states, especially. not just racial minorities, we can start there, but listen to people in this country who have been sounding the alarm, whether it is about covid, or in this, case about abortion rights. we should listen to those that will actually be affected versus, should these things come to pass. instead of just passing them off as alarmists. there's a lot of frustration among those of us that feel gaslight at times. we have said that this is coming. it is happening, why are we pretending that it is not? it is time to stop the, and it is time to stand with the vulnerable, and stand up for women's and human rights. the time is now, midnight. >> anushay, mara brings up an interesting situation. on one hand, you have people currently warning us about where this goes from here, and at the same time, you have the track record of republicans and the result that they demonstrated since 1973 to overturn roe versus wade. now you have legal experts and activists worrying about if this puts other rights back on the chopping block, like gay marriage, interracial marriage, the use of contraceptive. do you see that as a possibility? should we be concerned about it right now? >> definitely, amen, without a doubt. what is really important for americans and your viewers to understand is that american women are at threat of losing roe and safe legal abortions. repercussions will be felt around the world. this will have serious implications for women's rights internationally as well. america's dirty little secret is that we have been exporting our domestic abortion politics for decades. excuse me, under a policy called the mexico city policy, also known as the global gag rule. this policy initially came up during the reagan administration is a hugely highly partisan policy. republicans will be reinstated on their first day of office. democratic precedence repealed it on the first day of office. it basically states that any overseas ngo that receives any u.s. financial or technical assistance cannot advocate, perform or even advise on abortion. this policy will not be legal in america because it would be deemed unconstitutional, but we have been implementing it overseas for decades. what happens in america, what happens to women's health and rights affects women all over the world. you can bet, iman, that they are coming after a settled law like roe, it is only the beginning. what is next? >> alencia, next week the senate will vote on a bill to codify abortion rights into federal law. that is set to fail because, two things, republicans would not support it, and in that way, filibuster will render it dead. some democrats like manchin and kristen simon, do not want to deal with filibuster to protect the lives of women, like did not do it to protect the lives of black people, to protect the lives of actual democracy that we live in. is there any value and his for other than symbolism of getting people on the record? >> that is the key value point to get all these people in a record. we are in a mid term lawyer. there people up for reelection. there are republicans being re-challenged. there are so many critical senate elections happening this midterm. it is very smart for the leader to say, i want all of you to get on the record so that we have something to go to midterms would. we are six months away from november. voter engagement and our intention span is probably not going to be as long as those of us here on the panel. we are trying to figure out ways in which we can maintain this momentum and have something to remind voters of come november. listen, i work that planned parenthood for over six years. i am so grateful that my fellow parent panelists talked about the fact we have literally been fighting this for so many years. it was not just the 2016 election where people start paying attention. there was definite gate longs of advocacy groups that say we need to make sure that there is federal protection. we got to fight back in our courts. not just the supreme court's, the lower courts to. right now, we are at a inflection point. the democrats will see this as a dividing issue for voters come november. >> anushay, since democrats hold a slim majority in congress, activists are looking to the white house to put forward executive action on this. these include getting the fda to lift restrictions on abortion pills, directing department of justice direct on states attempting to ban pregnant people from leaving the state for the procedure, and from improving contraception axis. is this enough, or is it just the best option that democrats have to try to use whatever powers they have in the white house? >> it is not enough. this is it. as my fellow panelists have said, you know why no one believed us and called us alarmists, a man, is because women have been raising the alarm. people do not believe us? they say we are hysterical, and that it is all in our heads, we are being overdramatic. it is not enough. they are coming at their safe, legal abortion rights in the richest democracy in the world. it begins with women's rights. it is so serious. if the president does not speak up now, if democrats don't speak up now, this is how we win the election coming up. we have to stand up for women, and we have to stand up for women's rights. it impacts all of us. >> let me ask you, alencia, about that boy. we have primaries playing up across the country as we speak, you have one in texas, which has now entered a national spotlight because the incumbent congressman, henry cuellar arts antiabortion position -- despite his views, he is being endorsed by speaker nancy pelosi, essentially, the establishment of the democratic party. doesn't that undermine the messaging coming out of the democrats right now? doesn't that conflict with the leadership's pro abortion views that they are trying to get short up? >> -- listen, the reality is that majority of americans did not want to see abortion rights go away in this country. i think as democrats, i will be honest, it is very frustrating when we allow for democrats in our party to say that they are going to vote for anti abortion legislation. they will vote for pro-choice legislation. you can have your own personal views, but democrats have to be very clear, much like the republican party is -- i don't get that much credit for anything, but i will say that republicans are very good at, you have to vote in line, no matter what your personal beliefs are. we could talk about how their beliefs are, but when it comes to democrats, you play this game of, oh, maybe you can be and antichoice democrat. that is absolutely against the party that activists like myself actually fought for in 2015 and 2016 to be very inclusive to advance access to abortion. i really need for this to shifted democratic leadership and say, you know what, this is what we stand for. if you are going to run as a democratic nominee, you have to as well, especially because as i mentioned, this is a overwhelmingly supported by americans. majority americans would not want to see roe v. wade overturned. that also means that people personally disagree with abortion, potentially independents and republicans who. >> it is absolutely mind-boggling why the democrats are behind the texas nominee on this issue. i will ask all of you to stick around with us, we will squeeze in a quick break. next, the states taking matters into their own hands to protect a woman's right to choose. first, corey confidence here are the headlines. a cory. >> hey, here is what we watch into starry. frank james, the alleged perpetrator on a brooklyn subway charge, has been indicted by a grand jury. the two counts include a federal terrorism charge, which could result in a massive sentence of life in prison. the 62-year-old is accused of setting off spoke bombs and firing 33 shots into a crowded chain. three americans tourists thing at sandals resort and bahamas were found dead on friday. police said there are no signs of trauma, and that foul play is not suspected. an investigation is ongoing. the latest big jeopardy winning streak has come to an end. a tutor from toronto won 23 consecutive games and earned over $560,000. her historic run places her in fifth in all-time wins in jeopardy history. more ayman after the break. jeopardy history jeopardy history more ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze driftin' on by... ♪ if you've been playing down your copd,... ...it's time to make a stand. start a new day with trelegy. ♪...and i'm feelin' good. ♪ no once-daily copd medicine... has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy helps people breathe easier and improves lung function. it also helps prevent future flare-ups. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. take a stand and start a new day with trelegy. ask your doctor about once-daily trelegy, and save at trelegy.com. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ introducing the all-new infiniti qx60. take on your wild world in style. ♪ i know there's conflicting information take on your wild world in style. about dupuytren's contracture. i thought i couldn't get treatment yet? 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>> thanks, amen. i actually spent the weeks reporting on just this. what i have learned is that there is already an abortion providers shortage in the united states. even in blue states or states where abortion is readily accessible, in theory, and in law, we have a situation in which for a variety of reasons, there are still not enough providers. the number one thing that needs to happen right now is that states need to move legislators that can. we are talking states like california, oregon, washington, new york, illinois, connecticut, vermont, rhode island, those states need to move quickly to direct resources of all kind to these abortion clinics and other providers, whether they are hospitals, clinics, what have you. if they can hire more staff. other laws that are under consideration that are very important in promising include allowing physician assistants and nurse midwives to administer abortions of certain kinds when appropriate and safe to do so. some states have moved on that front. providing funding for security and also streamlining access, which means making sure that people who need abortions can have the travel that they need to get their, so funds to travel. also, simply, in new york, i have had a lot of people that i spoke to this week who saw abortions in new york. they said it is very confusing because even in new york, where it is available and legal and supported, it is hard to know where to get one. can you get one at your ob/gyn office, do you have to go to a clinic, there is a lot of confusion. there is a lot that needs to be done. of course, legally, we need to protect providers and women from prosecution and other states. in other words, we have some states now, like new york, that has a law and bill that it is considering that would prohibit law enforcement agencies in the state of new york from cooperating with any investigation that's out of state. at the state of missouri, for example, wanted to prosecute a woman for second and abortion, because that is not illegal under new york law, new york law enforcement authorities would, if this bill were to pass and be enacted, would have no help and corporation for the state of new york. there is a lot of trial and error. more is better, it seems. >> anushay, i want to get your thoughts on this, would you make a blue states passing these laws, including some as, mara was talking, about included to combat legislation that would prosecute people that get abortions? will this be enough to protect women? >> no, a man. just us talking on this panel, aren't you confused, i am confused. mara, just hearing you speak, i am working in this field, if i am confused as an expert, imagine if the average woman on the ground is feeling. we cannot play politics with women's health and rights. amen, by the way, rich white women, middle class, upper class women, they will get their abortions. this will not be a problem. this impacts women of color, poor women of color, black and brown women. when you come after women's rights, it will have serious repercussions. this is something that -- no, it is not enough. we need to be very clear that women's rights, religious to justice is not negotiable. >> there is also the private sector at all this, alencia. you have major u.s. companies like citi group, yelp, apple, all announcing actions to protect their employees as access to in portions or versus, including the cost of procedure coverage and traveling expenses. your reaction, are you surprised we have not seen enough companies come out? should companies be coming out on a position the way that we have seen them take on other issues when it was at the peak of the black lives matter protests, for example, or, perhaps, even on gay rights when you saw major league baseball move the all-star game out of atlanta? >> i have been waiting for this moment for corporations to actually realize their power in this way. i have been working in the movement of actually talking to these movements about ways, in which state can talk for women. we know that when corporations take a stand, that actually shifts culture. potential to these corporations. on one hand, i was like, i wish you would do this years ago when they were actively begging and pleading, showing you the evidence, that this is coming. on the second hand, i appreciate that these corporations understand what is happening. these corporations are realizing that this is going to, not just impact our consumers are the people that engage with us, most importantly, we are going to take care the people here. we are going to take care of our own staff and make sure that people seeking abortions are protected and supported. it is really important that they said that they will not just cover the procedure but the transportation. even right now, before we see the final opinion and we predict that it will actually overturn roe v. wade, there are people in the states of texas that have to travel 13 hours. that the take time off, they need to trepidation, but michael panel said. these are low income people who do not have those means. for corporations to finally step in and say, we will take care of our people, that signals a change in our culture. i am hoping that every single corporation stands up for the rights of their people. >> can i actually -- >> yeah, please go ahead, go ahead. >> i think that is a great step. i would argue that what we really want is for these corporations to be doing right now is getting out there, politically, and coming out and strong support of abortion rights nationally and across the country. they need to be throwing their weight around our congress, and they need to be throwing it around in washington with their lobbyists for this issue. it is great that large companies are going to cover abortion costs. that is really important and wonderful, which is alberta. but the reality is, there is real power if they will really put their brand and their business on the bottom line on the line to say, this company stands for abortion rights and a woman's right to choose. we are willing to go out there and do the. that is when we will see change. >> a man -- >> go ahead, anushay. >> i want to say, mara, i agree with you. it needs to be all of us. it is to be corporate america, and needs to be capitol hill, and he will be washington, and he's be the person on the street in new york, it needs to be all of us. women's health and rights is not just about women, effects all of us. we need to all stand up for women because if you come for women -- 's there could be no democracy, the richest democracy in the world, if women cannot decide what we can do with our bodies. it is also really important to remember that no one is pro abortion. it is about pro-choice. where are the man of this conversation, amen? where are the men? can i just say that 100 percent of unintended pregnancies are caused by men. 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is that legit as the way the decision is we're in? well part of the next things are going to be attacked? this maga crowd is really the most extreme political organization that has existed in america history, in recent american history. >> the mid term season is on and the bipartisan gloves are off. president biden cast republicans for the first time this week as a bunch of extremists bent on taxing low income families, putting popular programs like social security in peril and threatening the rights of women and lgbtq people. he awful one after republican senator, rick scott, who runs the gop arm, calling his tax hike proposal as ultra maga. let's bring back in our panel. >> alencia, and that is our due. eli still closed at the new york times said this is the most beloved biden has been in trying to find a gop as extremist ahead of the midterms. your thoughts on his political terminology? >> i think you see him getting ready for this midterm fight that we are about to have, this uphill battle we about to have. he's already trying to find a republican party for people. and that we, he did not say trump, but he said his predecessor. this is bigger than donald trump, yes, this is why he has brought into the republican party, but they are continuing to carry his water. i think the conversation around senator scott is important because it does chair the republican committee. he's also in florida, where there are so many pieces of extreme legislation that shows us where america could go. and it is also really smart to attack, particularly on this issue, because we see this as a dividing issue for a lot of republicans. this is what put a wedge into mitt romney's campaign in 2012. it is really important that he defines the republican party in one group being ultra maga and also showing the american people what they stand for, which is nothing to do with the normal folks. as that they do low income folks, middle class folks, they are actually trying to take from them and give to the richest society. unfortunately, we need to make sure that voters remember that going into this election. >> mara, one of the virginia governor race last year by walking the tightrope on trump. he seems to be the minority, even if most pumpkins not embraced trump, they certainly embraces ideas and ideology, and his ethos for what it means to becoming a modern-day republican. how do you see that affecting the midterms? even if you are not a trump endorsed candidate, but you are a trump idealogue? >> this is a typical year for democrats. they have failed largely to make any huge gains, for example, on voting rights. meanwhile, we have inflation, covid is still a major issue, dependent make is not over. the democrats really need to find their ground. i think, frankly, it was encouraging to hear the president started to talk about the republican party for who they are and have become. i am not a democratic strategist. i think the reality is if there is only one party in american democracy right now committed to democracy, that is the democratic party. from that perspective, it is incredibly important that the leadership, starting with the president, start to really call this movement the trumpism which is not include just donald trump, calling for what it is, which is completely untethered not only from reality but democracy. i think if we hear the president continue to talk about the actual policies other republican party in the language that he comes up with, rather than reacting constantly as a democrat so often due to what republicans want to talk about if they control the narrative, then i think there is room to play for the democrats because this agenda from the republican party is so extreme and so far removed from what most americans of both parties want. the president really needs to make it about the republicans and their extremism rather than constantly reacting to whatever talking point revoking swan to go for. ever since i have come of age, i am 35 years old, since the first time i voted, the first election i voted in, republicans have been much better at controlling the narrative, a tiny story. i think democrats are finally realizing that if they do not tell their story, the republicans will do it for them. >> anushay, this week you had democratic caro glenville when a michigan house race. that was a seat that trump won by 60 points in 2020. a republican opponent said that they gave up on the election and the fact that he lost in a trump friendly district. this is showed that there is no lines you cannot cross. >> can i tell you, the game is over, him in, if not now, then when? when will we call them out? we have no more time. for decades, how long have we've been hearing about the scary brown terrorists and extremists overseas? attacking women's rights attacking women's health, what is happening to democracy? what is happening in america in 2022 if democrats do not call it out by name now? we have everything to lose. >> mara, fox wants to make biden's remarks the next basket of deplorables, the common used by hillary clinton once. i want you to take a look at this. look at this interesting observation from foxes gregg garfield. >> here is the latest example of a commoner smear. whenever you talk about trump, being meaner ridiculed, he always punched up. >> when mexico sends its people, they are not sending their best. they are bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they are rapists -- wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl honors one somebody disrespect our flag to say get that son of a bitch off the field right now, out, he is fired. [applause] fired! >> they had black lives matter, it is a marxist group that is not looking for good things for the country. young girls and women are incensed that they are now being forced to compete against those who are biological mouse. >> that is donald trump punching down on blacks, latinos, women, he mocked people with disabilities, this is not a guy that punched up. this was a guy that clearly punch down, going up the journalists, we can go on and on and on. your reaction? >> my reaction is that there are actually limits to what fox news is able to do because they're not going to expand the republican base. republican power in this country is no longer built on electoral majorities. it is built on north korean rule. actually, i think, at this point, the goal for democrats should not be to try to chip away at the revoking base. it should be to turn out their voters and find out what the majority of american voters, how their daily lives are going to be impacted, and what that means for how they are going to vote. i think it is clear that the majority of the american public is still tethered to reality. i do not know how you reach the trump base watching fox news, but they are not the majority the country. the goal is pull everyone else around democracy. until we can get the republican party to be more invested again in democracy, the route to do that is the democratic party. >> panel, please stick around, we have a lot more to discuss. before we go, a reminder to you at home to claim your vote. msnbc's online tool is now live with key information on the voting roles of where you live, including registration, mail-in voting, changes since 2020, and a whole lot more. make sure to head to nbc news .com slash plan your vote to get the latest voting rules in your state. next, we are going to eastern europe to discuss the first lady's trip to support ukrainian refugees. discuss the firs lady's trip to support ukrainian refugees dove knows we damage our hair a lot my hair i curl it. i have to use a lot of heat new dove hair therapy shampoo & conditioner with ceramide & peptide. it nourishes at a cellular level to rescue damaged hair. discover 10 x stronger hair with new dove hair therapy rescue and protect. it's time to get outdoorsy. discover 10 x stronger hair with new dove it's hot! and wayfair has got just what you need. we need a rug. that's the one. yeah. yeah we're getting outdoorsy. save on outdoorsy furniture, decor, and more. you're so outdoorsy honey. what are you... spend less on everything outdoorsy at wayfair. ♪ wayfair you've got just what i need ♪ ambassador of hope, that is the role that first lady dr. joe biden says she is assuming today. he's visiting ukrainians in europe. she met with ukrainian children in romania this morning. she met with diplomats and slovakia, that is scheduled tomorrow. tomorrow, and casey forgotten, is mother's day. that timing is no coincidence. the first lady said it is your way of showing ukraine that the u.s. stands with them during this dark time. back with me now is my saturday night panel. anushay, i would start with you. my colleague symone sandra spoke with the first lady. this is what she said about ukraine refugees. >> have you spoken with mrs. zelenskyy? >> i got a letter from mrs. zelenskyy. i also spoke with the first lady a pollen. she gave me her list of things that they needed. they need so much. they have so many children without parents, so many orphans that need childcare, danny clothing, that need health supplies. they need food. they need so much. so, she gave me a list and we are working on it. >> talk to me a little bit about the importance of this trip given everything that is happening in ukraine. we have been so focused on with the u.s. is providing terms of military support, but this is much more on the humanitarian side. >> first of all, i had nothing but respect for our first lady. i love doctor joe biden so much. it is so important that she's over there in ukraine. on the eve of mother's day, let's not forget about what is happening at home. americas maternal health crisis. the fact that in the richest democracy in the world, black women are 233% like more likely to die giving birth in america. i think that it is important, of course, what is happening in ukraine. we know about rape being implemented as an official strategy in the war. but at home, on the eve of mother's day, we have to keep in mind the fact that roe is hanging in the balance. america's own maternal health crisis, it goes beyond giving flowers. >> mara, the first lady was considered a closure at her husband's campaign event. could her image in trips like this help democrats in any way politically in the midterms? >> absolutely, there is such a thing a soft power in politics. doctor biden has it. michelle obama had it, still has it. those first ladies are very popular with the american people. they come up as genuine because of the people that they are. it also is a statement of values of where the administration and the president and his wife, the first lady, where their values are, their heart, their priorities are with veterans and, in this case, with ukrainian refugees. statements of values are actually quite important, not just here for elections but also as a statement of values for what america values to the world. so, we heard and talk a little bit about that a few minutes ago, but soft power is diplomacy, right? as well as electoral politics, everything matters. in politics, who you stand with is part of game. >> that is such an important point. alencia, the other big news this week was the lead draft supreme court decision. my colleague symone did ask the first lady about that, take a listen to what she said. >> this is the chance for people to take action. we can go out and purpose all we want, but we have to take actions. this is when elections really matter. if it matters to you and your viewers, they have to elect people that think the way that they do. >> there you have the call to action that moreau is talking about. when he made by the first lady's response? >> i thought the whole interview was an amazing interview. it was so great to have a first lady that could speak on so many issues and not just be a broad and a jacket saying i don't care. it will say that i will have to disagree michael panelists, that she actually came out strong in a way to a first lady we have not seen talk about this leaked opinion would mean. she spoke before the clip that you aired. she talked about how shocked she was and what that meant for her as a grandmother, for her as a woman and united states. so, i think it was really powerful, really such a good moment for us to see a first lady actually talk about an issue that has become so polarizing in our culture when it shouldn't be. she was very clear on her beliefs on a woman's right to choose and what this means. also, the actions that we can take. i will say, i hope in her pillow talk with our president, she's telling him that he needs to do something on voting rights so that we can actually vote against these bad actors. i thought the interview was amazing, especially as she was playing a dual role that i need to be here at the president of the united states, but there is a humanitarian crisis all over the world. i had to do both at the same time. i think in that interview, we heard her talk about all the. >> anushay, go to bush and be the issue that actually gets democrats to the polls in large numbers and mobilize and energizes them? 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