committee? well, the house panel's chairman says r.j. r.j. is next on the list to go under oath, and that comes amid-the revelation trump considered using martial law as a way to try to basically stage a coup. if you were to invoke martial law for no reason or ill list reasons that would be part of the abuse of military power. to be clear, that didn't happen. i bet we'd remember it. but the january 6th committee is focusing on this emerging powers. the president cannot just declare martial law when he chooses without a reason, without a standard. so, the consideration of that is more signs that there was the consideration of coup-like activities. meanwhile, congresswoman marjorie taylor greene is under a lot of heat. there's an open question about whether she'll even be legally allowed to run for re-election. that's unusual if american life. there's also something unusual, how she as an incoming congressperson was texting the chief of staff of the outgoing administration as late as january 17th, saying in our private chat with only members, several saying the only way for trump to save our republic is calling for marshall, that's a misspelling. saying, i don't know on those things. i just wanted to tell him. this matters for several reasons. one of them, there's the open suit which involves her testimony under oath, where lying can be criminal. as you may have heard me say or mention in some of our interviews, it's a high bar to try to legally kick someone off a ballot. it's not yet clear that that burden has been met. but is she lying long the way to stay on the ballot? that is an open question right now given the mounting evidence and giving her recent and new denials of advocating what you just saw, potentially, in that text. >> [ inaudible ] the president to declare martial law three days before the 2020 election. >> i'm sorry, i just don't recall. >> those are reportedly my text messages. i think if people read them for myself, if those are my text messages, they clearly say i wasn't calling for that. i actually said that's something i don't know about. i don't really ever advocating for martial law. >> that is a nuance that is fair when it comes to evidence. the text says, i want you to tell him about the push for marshall law. it does also say "i don't know", and these are the kind of matters that are not just academic, they're not up to public debates. they're the evidence against her that will ultimately determine if she can run for office again. we begin our coverage now with maya wily, the incoming president of the leadership conference on civil rights and as some may remember, has been an analyst for us in her previous roles. good to have you back. >> great to be with you, ari. >> i mention the high legal bar there, because "a," it's true, so that's just the system we have. most of the time even very objectionle people are lloyd to run for office. the courts patrol that as a pretty high bar, as i mention. two, i mention it in fairness, because she is trying to make her case, and ultimately there will be a resolution of that aspect of the case. having said that she's not told the whole truth about this. i think that's clear. in my role as a journalist, i can say that. what do you think about the -- and second and higher order question -- >> first, let it be clear she is not a credible witness. we're supposed to believe she's having conversations with her colleagues, also members of congress about martial law and forgot about it? so, in the context of trying to assess truthfulness, i think she does not come off well, and to your point, that's not the same thing as evidence that she engaged in a conspiracy. and her point is her strongest defense. but i think on the larger issue -- you know, and it's very hard. this is a very high burden of proof, so it's harder to reach. at this time question here is the fact that this is an administration with allies who are elected to congress actively engaging in trying to figure out everything the president can abuse his power to do to keep himself there. because when we're talking about martial law, we have to remember that what we're talking about is replacing the military for civilian government. that's essentially at its core martial law. but in this case to do the president's bidding, to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power according to the constitution. and any discussion of that, any discussion of that in and of itself, should be deeply disturbing to us, and particularly when you put it in the context of the insurrection act. because remember, donald trump was talking about the insurrection act related to black lives matter protests. this is something he himself explicitly and prior to the election talked about asserting, including -- including in september 2020 when he and roger stone and michael flynn were all tilling the soil to get people to believe that he would have the power essentially to substitute his will for the will of the electorate. and we must remember that history. >> and as you say, that was happening before what we now know was a peaceful transfer of power, but others had different ideas. it's part of what the committee is investigating. i've got to committee investigating. i want to thank maya wily for kicking us off tonight and welcome congressman adam schiff. great to have you. when we hear this announcement about the upcoming hearings, does that mean you're mostly done with the investigation, that it will be largely complete or reported out by june? how should we understand the status of the work? >> you know, i think we had hoped to do hearings even sooner than june, but witnesses led to other witnesses which led to other witnesses. it's kind of a nice problem to have on the one hand, but at some point you've got to start presenting the information to the public. so my expectation we would love to get the interviews done by then, but we'll probably continue to be doing interviews and depositions even when the hearings begin. but i think we will have done a suft number of them where we're not going to compromise the investigation by going public with them. >> understood. some of the recent disclosures have been striking, and this is one of those times where different press outlets are pursuing their leads, but also -- and i don't think this is a mystery to everyone at this point -- sometimes relying on what the committee has come out with -- "the washington post" has this reporting that's quite striking. amidst the talk of martial law, which we were just discussing, giuliani, then acting at lawyer for the outgoing president, stoked conspiracy claims about voting machines. trump seemed to signal his agreement. what is it that the committee hopes to learn from rudy giuliani? do you expect that he will come testify? >> well, we're not commenting on witnesses that might come before the committee, so i don't want to speak about this in terms of him particularly or his testimony. but look, i can say say that any of the players who were involve in the bogus litigation, involve ed in discussions at the white house whether voting machines ought to be seized or what the authority was or the declaration or martial law, you know, we want to bring them all in, and obviously i think mr. giuliani is a person who will have a great deal of relevant information, but i can't confirm or deny whether he's -- >> spoken like an investigator, but our job to ask the questions. speaking about something that is in the public view, i'm just curious, congressman, what you think people should take from the exchanges between people like, for example, mike lee and meadows. let's put aside the more difficult questions of when members might cross into criminal territory. there's a wider latitude when they're acting in official capacities. but just as citizens of a democracy, it appears, from extended text messages, that he wanted to develop a way to have republicans in states where biden won just cancel out the votes with these alternate slates of electors. that looks like a blueprint that they at least think could be use in the a future election. putting legality to the side for a moment, which i don't always do, what are we to make of that? are we going hear in june that it's concerning, that it's wrong? or do you just look at this as fact evidence and people will decide for themselves? >> no, i think it is very much as maya was describing. there's one issue as you point out, is this criminal, is this prosecutable? but let's not forget we're supposed to hold our lawmakers to a higher standard than, are they criminals? we take oath of office to defend a constitution. how can you meet that oath if you're essentially trying to overturn an election? if you're exploring with the president's chief of staff, well, how can we reverse this loss? how can we hold on to power? it should shock the conscience, and i don't think we're simply going present it and say, this is business as usual in the congress of the united states. no, it will be presented in the context that there were multiple lines of effort involving multiple levels at the government to overturn the election. some involved bogus certificates of an elector. some involved decapitaing the justice department, some involved going to courtrooms around the country and making claims they knew were false. some involved getting kevin mccarthy to try to get house republicans to vote to overturn the election without a basis. and others involved the pressure campaign of the vice president. so we want to in this series of hearings lay out these multiple lines of effort. january 6th was the violent culmination of these efforts, but there were many of them, and i think as judge carter in california illustrated, in some of these lines of effort, there is ample evidence of criminality, including criminality of the former president. >> yeah, and you mentioned that. i mean, judge carter was using the civil type probability standard because of the procedural nature of that case, but the bottom line in plain english was he said, it's more likely than not that donald trump was involved in crime to steal the election. then you have all these different avenues that your committee and others are revealing. so it's very significant -- >> and ari -- >> go ahead. >> if i could point out, he's using a different standard to make the decision he needed to make in that case in california. but while to prove a criminal case requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt, to bring evidence before a grand jury, you just need to show that what you're bringing before the grand jury may lead to evidence that would lead the evidence of criminal conduct. that standard certainly has been met by what judge carter has found, and i am concerned that in georgia, for example, where the former president was on the phone trying to get the secretary of state to find 11,780 votes don't exist, that we don't see any evidence of a federal grand jury operating. >> yeah, which is your careful way of raising questions about what justice department and garland are doing, given that they have, they say, opened the largest federal probe ever, but as you say, not taking that step. again, as i mentioned, a busy time and you were able to work with us on your schedule, so thank you very much, congressman adam schiff. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. when we come back, we turn to politics. at least big primary in ohio and someone selling out for trump. but there's more to the story, including some of the right wing tech and media exposed. and biden confirming he may take action on student loan debt. it's the kind of story that could affect many people's lives soon. stay with us. many people's livs soon stay with us (dad) i love it. 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the lead in the polls there. critics say he is now the embodiment of the kind of fact and value-free republican party which sells out its own self-professed principles in an embarrassing sycophantcy to trump. republican primary is tuesday, and right now we have a special look at maga, at this guy vance, and where the republican party may be headed. ohio is a key state, and j.d. vance has made a key evolution. he was concerned about donald trump getting power in america. he went so far in his private rebuke of trump that what i'm about to show you is something to start this -- come back to me for a second. i'm going set this up for a second. that headline is something else so i want to make sure we have some context. he made a private rebuke of trump that managed to offend all at once, victims of the holocaust, any honest historian, and of course donald trump. this person now running for the republican primary outlandishly likened donald trump's leadership to the genocial death camps of the holocaust. we'll take a look at that headline again, because that's the context for what you see here he told friends in early 2016 he thought trump might be, quote, america's hitler, unquote. offensive. ridiculous, but also quite an extreme view to walk away from if you start over there. now knowing that was his private view, behold the tension between j.d. vance's original trump critique and what has become a shameless fawning as a republican candidate. >> as somebody who doesn't like trump myself, the elites were right. i'm a never trump guy. i never liked him. he's the president president of my lifetime and revealed this corruption in this country. i can't stand trump. i think he's leading the white working class to a dark place. >> i think he's a good president. >> i take it you're not a trump supporter. is that a fair assessment? >> yeah. i didn't vote for president. >> all around he's a great president. i'm 37 years old. certainly the best president of my lifetime. >> now, before you get to the broader conversation or even a fact check, just within the world of republican politics, this is already leading to criticism. make mark levine saying vance is not maga, america first, or conservative. that's the read from what he was saying there. while the club for growth attacked vance as well, a right-wing group. vance, though, is doing something that matters and may matter in this ohio primary tuesday and matter in much larger ways, which is why we have this special report. he's trying to turn his own political weaknesses on the right into these punitive assets. now, there's more for you to know than just this trump fall guy. consider how vance's professional bio is basically a hit list for today's professional -- culture. he was a venture capitalist, an ivy league elite from yale law school. then -- i'm out of fingers on this hand -- then, he pursued a perch within the coastal media elite, pushing a trendy book where he claimed to explain the rust belt and midwest while write gt from the coast, and then taking that tome to spend as much time as he could talking to his fellow media elites about what were his coastal observations about the rest of the nation. by the way, many reporters were interested to hear him. many treated him fair will i and largely accepted his claims at the time as honest, although now he's built a campaign trying to trust his own ohio voters to ignore who he hung out with what he said before. >> we sat down recently with j.d. vance, author of "hillbilly elegy." >> a memoir of a family and culture in crisis. >> its author j.d. vance joins our discussion now. >> remarkable work you've done here. you're a great writer. >> that wasn't that long ago, and you could see where he wanted to be. he has money and influence. he chose to put himself out there, chose to be that kind of mainstream media pundit or whatever you want to call it. and he uses that perch to at first warn about trump. he called him cultural heroin warning this would be a quick high and that anyone who supported him could have a come down. he thought he was diagnosing others. what may have been warnings have him on the wrong side of pursuit of power. where he's not boosting trump, like rumble, rumble also did a partnership with trump's truth social app, which has needed all the partnerships and help it can get. vance deleted his old tweets that slammed trump as, quote, reprehensible, and arguing that god wants better for america than trump. so vance who touted his humble origins with a lack of access to what we called social capital now is supplying the financial capital to fund all kinds of social media companies and of course he spent his time building what he would call his social capital by organizing with media elite as he would call it. that's where the story is larger than vance or tuesday's primary. because when it comes to tech billionaire media elites. they are increasingly a trojan horse within the far right's supposed war on tech media elites, enemies from within. we're witnessing a moment that struggles with facts and often reason discourse. that demands more than retweetable slogans. now this movement is increasingly unwilling or unable to figure out who is even on its side. that can be weirdly fascinating to watch or concerning for honest democracy to see how quickly these trumps and musks and now vances of the world, who by the way are all cosmopolitan media elites, are able to draw crowds who will then cheer on their own sub joo gags. when vance has been pressed, this admittedly smart writer largely struggled to offer much of a logical rebuttal. >> cultural outsider. i didn't come from the elites. i didn't come from the northeast or from san francisco. >> you're out in san francisco now, right? >> that's right. >> working for peter teal? i work for one of the venture capitals. >> one thing led to another, i found myself in silicon valley. folks billing the future, building great companies. >> he's a yale educated lawyer, a great student, went to yale, got a law degree. >> now, we cannot read minds on the news, but vance would appear to have a mind smart enough to know these are just tricks, and he already confessed what was on his mind about donald trump, which is you know he nose he's lying when he talks about the last election being stolen. >> i do think that basic human honesty, even though it may not pay off in the short-term, tends to pay off in the long-term, or if you're not honest it tends to pay off negatively in the long-term. i'm sick of the big companies shutting us up, and let's be honest, ladies and gentlemen, stealing the 2020 election. >> that false claim is what matters most to trump. the loser of that very election, 2020, cannot change reality. trump lost. trump is the loser. he's not president. everyone knows he's not president. so now he is almost wholly focus in the public on a kind of make believe, a naked emperor who gets a thrill every time new minions pretend he is clothed. j.d. vance or kevin mccarthy. they will join in their own public defen strags, shrouding in a big lie linen. while that may seem like an odd exercise, it apparently feels all the softer, all the more velvety, all the better to trump when those minions have been forced to publicly convert in their humiliation show of his sway. the more obvious, the more powerful trump feels, which is variety toll someone who lost in public and is currently so governmentally powerless. that's probably why donald trump, if you haven't seen this yet, just endorsed j.d. vance and then went way out of his way to note vance's criticism of trump in that new endorsement. >> a guy that said some bad [ bleep ] about me. he's a fearless maga fighter. and most importantly, j.d., you're supported by me. >> most importantly. we are joined by obama campaign veteran chai when we're back in 60 seconds. chai when we're back 60 seconds allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good. in the past you said, quote, i'm a never trump guy. my god, what an idiot, and quote, god wants better of us. why should trump voters, trump supporters vote for you? >> all of us say stupid things and i happen to say stupid things very publicly. >> that's j.d. vance's best defense. now we turn to a deep dive political conversation which takes place on a special day around here on "the beat". it's known at chai day. he's worked three presidential campaigns, including obamas and supplied some of the insights we just ran through in that piece. it's called chai day because of your name, and the cartoon we made. welcome back, sir. >> good cartoon. glad to be back, ari. >> good to have you, sir. you look at this, people may have heard a bit about j.d. vance, but the voting is on tuesday. the trump endorsement would appear to matter over there. the video is devastating. will that matter? and what does it say about where the republican party is headed? >> it's unlikely to matter, and i think it's unlikely to matter because we have to understand, the journey of the republican party and how it mirrors the journey of j.d. vance. j.d. vance sort of mirrors a journey where the republican party has gone from a political party to a cult of white male anger. j.d. vance began at a traditional mainstream republican. he started his life, basically, i think in many ways modelling himself to be a republican obama. you know, he came up from a difficult chaotic childhood, rose to success, graduated from an ivy league law school, wrote a critically acclaimed book about the experience. while obama's journey turned him into an idealist, j.d. vance became a nihilist, and i think that is a key difference between the two. j.d. vance in 2016, i believe, opposed trump not because he believed it. he opposed trump because he thought he would lose. he was taking a political bet. he was make a calculation that trump was going to lose, probably lose big, and he would be the recipient. he saw how obama made the similar bet in 2022 to oppose the war at a time when it was very, very popular in the polls, obama made a brave stand, took a bet, said, this is what i believe, and it turned out to his benefit. this is not rebound to j.d.'s benefit. he turned on a dime. he became a character he wrote about in his book. he became a white male from appalachia who became angry and prone to throwing out conspiracy theories. it's why trump endorsed him. they are kindred spirits. at heart, they don't believe in anything. >> you make an interesting case. it's interesting when you put it that way that the book was saying, look how those people are and here's their problems, so at some level of observation or analysis, he had some familiarity with that, and then when that became the winning -- rather the losing ineloquent group, now he's cost playing them and acting as them in that way. then you have his link with the power structure. he won over trump. very telling that trump wanted to bring up the fact he had the recant everything and eat his words and as i said, prepare the finest linen for the naked dethroned emperor, which is the better lie. that's better than ji venn chi. a big lie robe can cover anything. then you have the tucker relationship. take a look. >> this is not false flattery. i don't think i ever met anybody who understands both worlds as well as you do. >> you have elites in the ruling class that plundered this country. >> you really i think understand what's gone wrong with the country. >> this is a country that i know you love, i love. >> i probably shouldn't say this, i'm glad you're doing it. i admire you, wish you luck. >> not embarrassed to say i admire j.d. vance. >> i probably shouldn't say this, but i'd like for to you tell us your thoughts about the relationship there. >> yeah, i think trump, tucker and j.d. vance are all the same. they are all nihilists. they don't believe in anything. all three of them understand something that's very important, which isn't politics. believe it or not, not believing anything can be a true advantage. somebody who's a true believer is often weighed down by their believes, while somebody who doesn't believe in anything, is a nihilist, can turn on a dime. they can see what works, be political day traders and adjust accordingly to fulfill their ambitions. there's a popular line in the big lebowski, where the character says he wants to be a nihilist. he says, that must be exhausting. they trade different messages to see what works and the response they get from the messages. that's what all three are doing. that's their model of leadership, and the gop is kind of all in on it. >> yeah, ands you say, the stakes are low for them, because if it is truly meaningless, then that's what you do and it becomes a content exercise. as for the things he diagnosed or learned, is just one passage, from, again, the book. we show some of the way he sounded when he was on book tour. when he talks about birtherism. quote, if a third of our community questions obama's origin, despite all evidence to the contrary -- meaning he knew it was a lie, it's a good bet other conspiracies have broader currency and quotes that kind of idea -- we can't trust news or our politicians. and he admonishes that at that time saying, you can't believe these things, birtherism, nihilism, and participate meaningfully in society. >> yeah, that was a different j.d. vance speaking to a different republican party. it was a republican party that really was mitt romney. now it's a party of madison call thorn. i think at the time he was thinking of himself as a republican obama. i think unfortunately he decided his ambitions lay in being the next donald trump, and i think that's sad for the republican party, sad for the state of ohio. >> how likely is his victory on tuesday in the primary. >> the polls look very good for him. even though his internal polls showed him down in fifth place show him in first place. this is a primary where you have a lot of voters loyal to trump, and in a multicandidate race, that's probably going to be enough to win the primary. >> interesting. running over on time, but we do appreciate lebowski's reference. and might also remember walter was shomas shabbas, which is a belief system. >> that is true. >> good to see you. coming up, we welcome back michelle goldberg from "the new york times" on book burning and more. plus, fact checking mitch mcconnell, and why he doesn't want to help out students drowning in debt. stay with us. he doesn't want to help out students drowning in debt stay with us complete pair. visionworks. see the difference. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good. your shipping manager left to “find themself.” leaving you lost. you need to hire. i need 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does expose the kind of riffs we have in washington. you know we cover the politics of it. we've talking about the investigations. there's of course foreign policy. but when it comes back to what to do in this economy with high inflation and a post covid environment that's uncertain, republicans simply do not want to address the idea that there's anything to do or fix about student loan issues in america. now, when they were in power under trump, they did spend about $2 trillion mostly on tax cuts that went to the wealthy. so when it comes to affecting the budget, the republicans are willing to spend empowered, including millions that went to millionaires and the 400 richest families in america ended up with a lowest tax rate than half the country. if that sounds familiar, it's because many of the problems are long running. senator elizabeth warren told us on "the beat", this all comes down fairness. >> the united states government is one of the most aggressive debt collectors when it comes to student loan debt. you know, you could go into bankruptcy and you could deal with your credit card debt, you can deal with your car loan, your home mortgage, but not your student loan debt. are we going invest in people who are trying to get an education or not? >> i'm join bid "new york times" columnist michelle goldberg. welcome back. >> hey. >> hi. one point that came up beyond the fairness in general is also the fact that we have a system in this country where businesses and individuals with other types of problems can afford themselves a bankruptcy in a way that you can't for student loans. what do you see here in this issue and the biden administration saying they want to act? >> well, look, obviously part of the reason the biden administration wants to act is because they have been so hem in the by joe manchin and kristen sinema and the collapse of build back better. this is one thing that at least theoretically -- because there's going to be court challenges -- but theoretically, biden can do with the stroke of a pen. although there's debate about how much student loan debt he can or will cancel, he promised in his campaign to cancel $10,000 of student loan debt for each borrower. and so this is a way that he can do that. right now we're in a situation where the politics of this are sort of catastrophic for democrats. because, you know, people haven't been paying their student loans since the beginning of the sbaek all of a sudden they're going to start months before the midterm elections? this is really bad for democrats. there's the kind of substance of it and there's also the politics of it, to at least make good on one campaign promise that was really important to a lot of the young supporters that are now somewhat disengaged. >> yeah. and something else senator warren mentioned last night is there's a lot of public funding of education. the question, is where do you cut it off? a lot of european countries go parter on that, and if you think of student loans with that prism, you can think of ways to subsidize people getting an education in the country, definitely cheaper to pick the common example than incarcerating people. you spend more on that than the back end. while we're on schooling the whole way we're seeing politics go back into the classroom. republicans in tennessee have a bill trying to get public schools to require state approval for any books in the libraries as part of that wider push to limit school education on race, gender, sexual identity. one republican admits he would like to burn books that don't get approvedn when pressed with a democratic colleague. >> let's say you take these books out of a library, what are you going to do with them? you going put them in the street, light them on fire? where are they going? >> representative sexton. >> i don't have a clue, but i would burn them. >> you have something that is so frusing -- >> there you are. >> something that's so frustrated to me in america about the debate about free speech -- we have a lot of basketball about, "wokeness,". political correctness. there's been a debate about free speech in regard to elon musk's purchase of twitter, and meanwhile, we are in the middle of this kind of free speech crisis, the likes of which people haven't seen in a generation, something that in many ways goes back to the red scare. i think it's partly a problem -- i'm speaking to you from brooklyn. i speak as an out of touch coastal elite, but i think it's being too concentrated in places where this is not a problem, so the people dealing with substantial government impositions on their free speech -- educators in conservative states are just underrepresented in the way we talk about this issue. >> yeah, i think that's a really important point you raise, and the classroom side is in everyone's life. the tech side is very complicated. and we've explored that on this program as well. but we're talking about what hits people and what's going to affect what their kids grow up with. i'm running out of time. you mentioned your location. as you probably know, and i think you do, this is christopher wallace who famously said, where brooklyn at. wasn't that your twitter handle sot one point? >> it still is. >> say again? >> i said it still is. >> all right, so you can follow michelle goldberg, @mitch in brooklyn on twitter, but only if you support free speech. michelle, good to have you as always. >> thank you so much. >> absolutely. we're going fit in a break, and when we come back, we have an update on foreign policy here amidst this war. stay with us. stay with us day after day. feel the clarity— and make today the most wonderful time of the year. ri6r7b8g9sds ri6r7b8g9sds (vo) verizon small business days are back. come in and meet with a verizon business expert april 28th to may 4th to get some of our best offers on 5g plans, devices and internet. like ultra-fast, ultra-simple wireless 5g business internet. you could get one 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