actually someday to meet our president zelenskyy, prime minister boris johnson came to the grain, we can do it, with strong people, we can definitely arrange for our people to come here and visit ukrainians. >> but that's not the take away from significance of this visit by top u.s. delegation, which would show a sign of unity between the united states and ukraine, in the meantime ukrainians observed a somber orthodox easter, -- at least eight people were killed on a missile struck in an apartment building in odessa, and a three month old baby -- five facts on the way to ukrainians to fight off the russian invasion president biden pledged to send $800 million worth of military aid to ukraine last week including some of the heavy weapons zelenskyy has been asking for. former u.s. ambassador to nato said he believes this package will make a real difference. >> i can make a real difference because this begins to close the quantitative gap between the ukrainians and the russians as some instruments are now that the ukrainians have as many tanks on the battlefield as the russians. >> joining me now is nbc news correspondent cal perry, joins me from kyiv, cal can you give me the latest on what we're seeing antony blinken on the ground and secretary lloyd? >> so, this is one of those extraordinary moments than administering of extreme warrants throughout this war we cannot and apparently confirm that the u.s. secretary of defense, and secretary say we're here earlier today. because they're denying comment but the pentagon and white house are declining to comment on these reports including the one that you just gave, weekend the past hour from that senior advisers saying that the meeting was currently taking place, it's worth noting that he did post that video about two and a half almost three hours ago now. that would've been about 10 pm local time and again that message may be delayed even further it's pretty standard operating procedure for them not to comment on the visit intel folks are out of the country. we sort of assume that could be one of the things that's happening here, as you laid out this meeting taking place potentially on what is orthodox easter here. there was supposed to be, the government was hoping to have a cease-fire in places like mariupol, that didn't happen according to the governor in that area, they were showing consistently throughout the day and in fact we've seen casualty number rise in the number of places because of attacks in the city of kharkiv there was shelling there that killed at least two people in around that area. as well as in the south where there was an area that was hit at least two people killed there as well, the donetsk reason saw shelling throughout the day, a five-year-old child, a 14 year old child a part of the civilians that were killed in that area. that is the backdrop by which it's possible that this reading took place without a doubt the sort of top line from this meeting if it will happen is about further military aid to ukraine from the united states. and the role of these nato nations are playing when it comes to not only supplying aid but supplying training for ukrainians who would leave this country to -- and then return to the battlefield. we still do not know do not have a good estimate on how many civilians and soldiers are dining in the eastern part of the country, it's a hard area to access, but we do know that today again eastern sunday for orthodox christians here, the fighting remained first. >> what a day to celebrate supposed cal perry thank you for your continued support, please stay safe my friend. now let's go to former u.s. specialty for ukraine negotiations -- former u.s. representative for ukraine negotiations, kurt, i want to start with your thoughts on today with would happen perhaps with the antony blinken and lloyd austin? >> well, first off the fact that they are visiting is incredibly important, the u.s. is now leaning into provide ukraine kind of military support that we could've been doing weeks ago but we were finally doing it now. we are in turn allies-ing the idea that ukraine success is an american interest, and we're going to sit down with them and strategize how to make sure ukraine succeeds and give them what's necessary, that's terribly important. second, with the kerfuffle back and forth over leaking details of the visit now doing it in silence, it's a bit unfortunate because it overshadows what is otherwise a very -- >> so, i guess my question to you kurt, is how do you strategize next, so far the biden administration seems to have be providing zelenskyy everything he's asked for, everything from weaponry to going after the oligarchs, including getting by for nato and now having two of the top u.s. officials in his home country. what else could the united states do and where do you see this ending? >> well, i would say that for the first six weeks of the war the united states was only going halfway, we were saying no armed drums, then we provided arm drones. we said no -- and now the big 20 nines -- providing offensive arms issues were off the table. [inaudible] this is all very good, we're now moving forward in the right way i think what's next that if you look at the map, ukrainians need to relieve the pressure on kharkiv by turning into the east, they need to relieve the pressure on the south by pushing back and try to push the russian occupation back there. they have to try to break that land bridge that is forming between donbas and crimea hour mariupol sets, we need to break through and get in there. what we need to be getting into that is the types of equipment, tactics, that we can help the ukrainians with an order will accomplish those objectives. i think we are in fact doing that, we are now in a very advanced age of planning and targeting and strategizing with the ukrainians. >> and so, else can our nato allies do one of the things that zelenskyy forecasted was that russia and putin, have no interest in stopping just in ukraine, but instead continuing on to other regions. what's signals that say to the nato allies, what needs to be done by them? >> so, first off we saw good naval credit for doing a good job at issue a number one in the self-defense. making sure that no nato allies are being attacked, are being threatened, and if there was an attack we would respond. and that is crystal kier we've had the troop deployments to black it up, that side of things as good. when you look at how nato allies, and nato as an alliance are supporting ukraine, there's still a long more that can be done. the germans in particular for example they talk about not only the defense budget a few weeks ago but that's a years-long proposition, ukrainians are asking them for access to german tanks, that could be very effective in the fight right now. the germans have them, and there's still a sense that germany is not putting in the arms that they could. other allies are the pools the, lithuanian's, this is stone jens, western european allies will step up and do more. there is a -- the ratio of arms going to ukraine, both humanitarian assistance as well as military assistance. the u.s. are four or five times ahead any other nato ally, including the uk which has done a lot. so, i think our nato allies can do more for ukraine not just for the defense of nato. >> does once he hold on to ukraine? >> absolutely, this is one of the most important points thank you for bringing up the question putin's objection was to eliminate ukraine and eliminate ukrainians as an identity. he wanted this to be part of a greater russian standpoint, that dream is over, ukraine survives as a solid independent european state and that is significant because it now means that they're talking about what are the borders, how much -- russia take and give us an array of russian military forces i think ukraine can actually push back and take -- >> kurt volker, leading one having to belarus on a public government thank you so much for spending your sunday with me. >> thank you so. much >> coming up next surprise, the price, surprise. secret service officials warned mark meadows that january 6th could turn violent. how new revelations will affect that investigations direction. and when michigan republicans aren't attacking again and trans children, they're going to try to sabotage the next election, you're hearing it here right now. choosing to election deniers to the top of the states ticket, will get the michigan's latest assault on voting. plus new evidence shows that a mother on death row in texas might actually be innocent, but it can't persuade the state's republican governor to spare her life for the -- just three days. stay tuned, but first richard louis standing by to see what we should be watching here at msnbc. . richard >> teresa, very good sunday to you. to start with you are coming out of france looking at exit polling there it appears that president emmanuel macron as reach victory scoring another chart. let's go to -- tracking the latest for us there in -- but some one side of celebrating tonight. >> they really are, richard, under the eiffel tower behind me there president macron supporters have been a jubilant's. they won by 16%, far greater than they had expected, and they had feared because this is a divided country. marine le pen had shown that. she doubled down on issues like inflation, on issues like immigration, that won her a good deal of support in this election and that continues to have people worried. but before president macron he thanked his supporters today and there will be many western leaders breathing a sigh of relief because marine le pen, was a fan of president putin, in the path she's been a fan of president trump she promised changed, of course changes are not white -- with that war raging in ukraine. he has kept office richard, he's the first french president in 20 years to be reelected. >> as you said an unexpected 16 percentage points by the polls right now. thank you so much here, more american voices right after this quick break. stick around. ght afte this quick break stick around stick around ♪ ♪ we believe there's an innovator in all of us. ♪ ♪ that's why we build technology that makes it possible for every business... and every person... to come to the table and do more incredible things. wealth is breaking ground on your biggest project yet. worth is giving the people who build it a solid foundation. wealth is shutting down the office for mike's retirement party. worth is giving the employee who spent half his life with you, the party of a lifetime. ♪ ♪ wealth is watching your business grow. worth is watching your employees grow with it. ♪ ♪ we hit the bike trails every weekend worth is watching your employees grow with it. shinges doesn't care. i grow all my own vegetables shingles doesn't care. we've still got the best moves you've ever seen good for you, but shingles doesn't care. because 1 in 3 people will get shingles, you need protection. but, no matter how healthy you feel, your immune system declines as you age increasing your risk for getting shingles. so, what can protect you? 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>> it's not my job. and also, what upset about that, whether it's president trump or the people who inappropriately attacked the capitol, anybody have committed a crime there, plant a crime, or committed a crime, there is a process for that. and i'm not suggesting that president trump did either of those things. but there is a process for that, and it's not a political process, it is a judicial and legal process. >> so much impact their. republicans still passing the buck when it comes to holding former president trump accountable. this, as a new book reveals how gop leaders caged after january six. according to the book, this will not pass, senator mitch mcconnell told his colleagues, democrats will quote, take care of that s.o.b. for us. mcconnell even promised to confirming president biden's attorney general the, making sure the justice department, not the gop, could carry out the dirty work of punishing trump. joining me now to discuss the january six investigation, nbc news justice reporter ryan reilly. ryan, justice riley -- [laughs] ryan, talk to me a little bit about these new revelations. i have to say that even just now, we had senator who had the opportunity to recognize the complicity of his republican colleagues, and he chose not to. he chose to deflect. speak to me about that. >> you know, it is really interesting because there was this moment right after january six, where everybody sort of recognized how awful this event was, and when it happened and trump's responsibility, you see that this in the new reporting from the book. that is sort of obvious, that trump inspired this, and people were wrapped up by what he -- and also, it reveals a lot about what's republican leaders at least actually thought about some of the disinformation that trump was putting out about the campaign. but you know, i think this is, this is significant because it shows the shift that rapidly happened within a republican party, in over the past you know, 15 months. when everyone was outraged about this at the beginning, and then, once they realized the trump was so gonna hold this enormous power in the republican base, they sort of walked away from that. it's really a walk back from the initial reaction that we saw in those media days after january six. >> something that, ryan, i find really striking is that, as you read the accounts that jonathan martin did so deafening in his book, one of the things i find very clear is that it seems that he was purposely put there, so that he can actually prosecute the president. and we recognize the january six, all they can do is make recommendations, but prosecution really lies at the doj. where does this, does this change anything now, this we're getting more revelations? >> you know, i think there wasn't a lot of thought immediately, what the criminal charge would before trump. because really, there is this process set up in the constitution, trump won through double t's impeachment trials. that is the process that is -- political crimes, and you sort of searching for a statute that would imply to this kind of behavior in the days after january six. everybody sort of agreeing it was pretty important. so i think that's really what the position that we are in now, is that you have prosecutors going out, okay, what exactly is the statute that applies to the scenario? obviously, nothing you've seen in american political life before, and the founders, he would probably say, actually created the solution for this. because that was sort of this political process that would require these politicians to take up a position that was unpopular with their base. that is sort of something that all republicans obviously, didn't want to go forward with. >> and of interesting, founding fathers thought we always put country over party. and clearly, we haven't done that. one final question for you. alex jones, the one who was charged with stop the steal, is about to testify. what can we expect from him? >> yeah, i mean, this information is gonna be very important, because there is this overlapping constituencies with him that trump organization. and then he had these outside of organizations, you know, two of them have been charged thus far, it seems, from the leaders of the oath keepers as well as the proud boys. but you know, alex jones was really this media figure that was organizing a lot of this. he's on the ground of the capitol that day, as are thousands of other people. he hasn't been charged thus far, but that's something that's been big considered, whether or not charges are gonna be eventually coming for him, or whether, how testimony for the january six committee could influence that. because judges have worked favorably in the past for people who cooperated with the january six mini investigation, and sending criminal charges. that's something hannah lot of other potential defendants, judiciary defendants are really considering as they go forward. >> ryan reilly, it's good pride or couldn't make this up. thanks so much for joining me on this sunday. >> house minority leader kevin mccarthy caught in a lie this week, shocking! after he leaked audio proved he had considered asking former president trump to resign. but in today's gop, mccarthy faces few repercussions, it seems, for his lies. as a new york times writes, quote, a whole reversal on a matter of serious is an attack on the citadel of democracy, and the possible resignation of a president would once have been considered career ending for politicians, particularly one who aspires to the highest position in the house. not so far a republican in the age of trump. joining me now, democratic congressman jimmy gomez, and a good friend. how are you doing, jimmy. >> good to see you. >> you have been at the forefront of a lot of this stuff that you're finding. and as someone who was in the capitol during that attack, how are you feeling, recognizing that not only was a colleague of yours, knowingly talking to the president. and also felt that he was culpable. basically, backpedal now, and at the same time is actively behind the scenes trying to vie for speaker of the house. >> a few days, i think weeks, after the january six, insurrection and to the attack on the capitol, which i was witnessing, i just realized these forms of being a member of congress. the idea that we are first defenders of the, defenders of the constitution, defenders of the democratic republic. and we have put that above all else. and i wish that john mccarthy would have done what he said, or at least in private, which is trying to ask president trump to resign. he didn't do that, but he always chose power over people. he always chose power over doing the right thing. and we need to start getting people who are elected to office, they do the right thing, regardless of the politics. so we need to continue pushing. but this republican party has a greater allegiance to donald trump than they do to the constitution. it's not all of them, but it's 99% of them, it's not all of them. but it's not enough. because if they continue to put their own power at the forefront of our constitution and democracy, we won't have either in the end. >> i want to take that a pause, and actually turn a little bit to the work that you're doing. you are a legislator that actually believes that public service is not to fight culture wars, watch how people every day. and one of the things that you've been really pushing has been student debt. yesterday, i had the opportunity to talk to a young woman, bolivia, who i believe is 19 years old. i talked to her about student debt it south, and then i want you to take a listen, and then get your response right after. take a listen to her. >> the biden administration has already taken to address the student debt crisis certainly facing the right direction, having forgiven the debt that they have. but i think it's really important to point out that reforming education system as it is, it is not just a spread. erasing student debt is just about. this is a marathon that we have to take much bolder action, to ensure that we are enshrining the future of our country. and that starts with the biden office working closely with the department of education, to do things like free community college, and other ways to make college more affordable and accessible for americans. and i think this is a real opportunity for president biden to make his stand, not only on the future of his country, but his legacy as a president. >> his legacy as a president, indeed. as we know, president biden when he was on the campaign trail, he promised to leave at least $10,000 of student debt. congressman, can you talk a little bit about where that stands right now? >> yeah, well, i just wanna give bobs to president biden for being the first president in history to consolidate the most student debt in history. they're going in the right direction. and they're gonna do more. those 40 million individuals in this country that still has student loan debt, and a lot of that thus far, there are people of color, first generation but -- i still have $45,000 of student loan debt, and i finished high school in 2003. so these are folks that can not buy a house, they're struggling. in the end but, the money has to be put in good use. that's also because there is been an under investment, under investment in our higher education system. we should have a master plan in the entire country, free community college, greater investment in public universities, to reduce the debt that people have to take. and also, make college debt free in the end. i am part of the progressive caucus. we believe that the president does have the authority to cancel up to $50,000 in student debt through executive order. we're not saying he should take that, but he should take that action and tell the young people in this country, people who are my age also, that were still the future, and we should invest in our future. >> congressman, just very quickly, coming from you, there's been a lot of criticism coming from activists of what is happening right now at the border, when it comes to the selectiveness of asylum seekers. can you speak to that? and is their promise that there can be executive orders coming out of the white house, when it comes to immigration? >> yeah, i hope there will be. none of the things that we are pushing in the caucus was the comprehensive immigration reforms, while we passed other tools like gps to make sure people can understand -- one of the other things is the build back better, and instead refused to pass build back better. we want the white house and the executive action to provide relief to immigrants. one of the things i want to say is the repeal of title 42, that is something i was joined by stephen miller during the trump administration. i was used, it was used to target specific people from latin america and other countries. especially during the pandemic. i think it wasn't necessary than, and i don't think it's necessary now. i pushed the white house -- i heard that they're going to do an executive order to repeal it, and they should do it right away. >> congressman gomez, thanks so much for spending your sunday with us. >> coming up next, michigan republicans at it again. he just can't help themselves. they just chose to trump election deniers to service the state's top election and law enforcement officials. what it can mean for democracy in michigan? 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blood if it was a requirement? that's an idea that's posed by ej -- senior fellow of the institution of washington post columnist and coauthor of the forthcoming book 100 percent democracy, the case for universal voting. also with me is a good friend adrian our democrat strategist and -- high-risk campaign. thank you for joining us, so ej, full disclosure as part of a task force on universal voting that you headed, it was an 18 month and in that course i learned a lot. about democracy, and modernizing our systems and so when you came out with this book i thought that it was one of the best places for the rest american public to learn more about it. what's the crux of your idea of universal voting? >> first, thanks for having me on, the organized but my friend -- miles rappaport and we think that the best way to defend voting as a right is to a certain civic duty to vote we hope to australians had this system for 100 years where you don't vote, you face a very small fine which could easily be waived if you have any excuse at all for not voting. and they do an awesome job at both registering people and making it easier to register, and also to make it as easy as possible to vote. the result is 96% of australians are registered, and 90% of them vote. we think that this would change in american electoral system that's really like a fancy dinner party within a list, of the list, and is the lowest and an elite the voters get all the attention, they're the likely voters, the beliefs are maybe registered but don't vote much they get a little attention if any, and the sea lights the unregistered don't get attention at all. this produces exceptionally divisive campaigns, and it produces these efforts in 19 states were two countries when it comes to elections by the way, 19 states have rolled back access since the 2020 election. 20 have expanded access, we should be one nation that wants everyone to participate, and the universal voting system does that. >> adriana, you are part of the campaign that had perhaps the most participation in american history under the harris biden campaign, it was a multicultural america that came out a record number, right after that, literally right after january one of 2021 we saw a slew of these laws that ej refers to, almost foreigner pieces of legislation in 19 states where they didn't want the people who voted last time to come out and record number so they can be enfranchised, what opportunities do you see right now within the democratic party to push this type of ideology, the reason i ask is that i know there's been attempts to rectify the voting rights ad and that has failed because this idea of universal voting for everyone seemed like a win when regardless of the party? >> yeah, first of all for our thanks for having me and thanks for all that you do to help democracy for billions of billions of americans and americans of color. look, a couple things number one, we go down a dangerous president if we require every single american to vote, why, we don't want people to feel like this is something they have to do, i think what americans feel like they're forced to do something, that could have the opposite effect. but i do think to your point -- we need to do everything you can to get people and allow people to vote. and that means passing the john lewis voting right act, that means passing federal legislation across the board that would protect voters in every single state especially those living in the states where republican controlled legislator are doing everything they can to prohibit people of color, and voters that tend to lead more democratic to vote. i think it's extremely important we do that, i also think i need to say this but we saw, in 2020 with all the tactics that republicans tried to pull, to keep people from voting even though to the point you made, it was a record turnout across the board on both democrats among -- we still have to bear in mind that 2024, especially with all the states doing what they're doing right now to try to keep people of color from voting, we need to run a two track system, or running a presidential campaign and simultaneously were running a campaign to make sure that americans have the right to vote. and that their votes aren't disenfranchised, so it's gonna be quite a very complicated process and republicans are doing nothing to help us, and frankly they're doing a lot to try to suppress their own voters, they're making it harder for senior citizens, many of whom are republican to vote, and that's on them, that's their onus but i think that's something that we need to pay attention and we gotta run a true to track system. >> so, when ej you first approach before this idea of universal voting i was very much in adrienne's cap, one thing i started digging in and i realized that first of all, adrienne's right, we'd like to have our own liberty and choice and when we participate in something. but one of the things that you are able to explore in this book, i don't want to ruin it for everyone, one of things are able to explore was one, the polarization dies down, i want you to talk briefly about that, but the other thing i found fascinating was by making mandatory voting you take the onus away from the voter, and making sure that person is standing in line for ten hours and instead put back the burden back on the secretary of state 's an election officials to ensure that person is in standing in line for eight hours, can you talk a little bit about that just briefly? >> first thanks for beginning the fetch of all those races for secretary of state this year, those are hugely important and we don't pay enough attention to those races and we showed. i love to debate a nice person like adriana about this idea, our point is that first of all there are things that citizens are required to do, not everyone likes to show up for jury duty, but showing up for jewelry duty is what makes our legal system -- this is what makes a far smaller bird or an especially if you make everything easy for voters. and as it is the current system, the rich are saying that worried about a low turnout today it's 72%, we brag about 67%, so we could do better and i think when you make voting a duty, a mandatory duty than the government at every level has to lean in on saying to the voter because you required to do this, we're gonna have plenty of -- we're gonna help automatically register everyone if -- [inaudible] i bring up the research on the book i was looking at the australian website and -- look at all it does to make it easier for people to vote. why can't we do that to? >> ej and adrienne, why can't we do that too. and when i appreciative percent a mockery of anything is that by making everybody give the chance to have a voice, we're also inviting them to a party where oftentimes marginalized community feel like they're not part of. and you can all sees take that ballot and leave it blank and protests, coming up next texas governor greg abbott planes to be pro-life, why is the state he runs about to execute a mother in the face of new evidence. and pleas from her children to spare her life coming up next. from her childreton spare her life coming up next. spare her life coming up next. i've traveled every road in this here land! ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere, man. ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere, man. ♪ ♪ crossed the desert's bare, man. ♪ ♪ i've breathed the mountain air, man. ♪ ♪ of travel i've had my share, man. ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere. ♪ ♪ i've been to: pittsburgh, parkersburg, ♪ ♪ gravelbourg, colorado, ♪ ♪ ellensburg, cedar city, dodge city, what a pity. ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere, man. ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere, man. ♪ ♪ i've been everywhere. ♪ a mother who claims she's innocent could be executed this week and texas. melissa lucey was given the dust has been following the death of her toddler in 2008, when evidence shows she was likely forced into a false confession. both democrats and republicans are calling a halt to the execution, nbc news correspondent marine has the details. >> she's the texas mother -- murdering her own daughter but new evidence fueling a nationwide calls to halt the execution of melissa lucia, grant a new trial to the woman who spent the last 14 years on death row. >> we constantly said that there are of course many questions about the verdict and why was reach the way it was. the question surrounding the investigation into the 2007 death of lucia's daughter -- lucia says that mariah fell down the stairs of her home and never woke up from her nap two days later. on forsman blamed her, portions of the interrogation video provided by lucy as defense team shows how officers pressed. her >> right now looks at your cold blooded killer. >> no. >> you are cold blooded? killer or were you a frustrated mother that just took it out on your daughter for whatever reason? it's gotta be one or the other. >> according to lucy hugged turning the iteration lasted over five hours, she denied killing her daughter more than 100 times before giving a coursed confession. >> -- >> is there anything else you would like to add? >> a documentary about her case lucia blames her interrogators. >> they just kept pointing fingers at me, threatening me, telling me that i was gonna spend the rest of my life in president, that i wasn't gonna be able to see the rest of my children grow up and get married. >> is the ultimate goal is a new trial here? >> the ultimate goal is a new trial from melissa lucia, there is evidence of her -- jury never heard. and we believe that she had a trial today she would be acquitted. >> several generals and lucy's claims are now calling for clemency. as bipartisan bill of texas lawmakers asking the state party board to cancel lucy's execution. the boards expecting to make a recommendation to texas governor greg abbott on monday. >> lucy's family is hopeful. >> the i want to hold my sister, i feel i have a faith that our sister is gonna come. >> of and a mother's faith with time running out morgan chesky, nbc news, dallas. >> morgan, thank you so much for that reporting. coming up next i'll speak with an attorney representing more -- filmmaker and investigative reporter digging into the nitty-gritty details of the case, when american voices returns. we'll be right back. american voices returns. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. savings on your prescriptions? 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and she kept saying she was not a killer, she would never do that tour giles and till they finally just would never take -- they would not accept her account. she did let many survivors of domestic violence and sexual abuse learn to do, in order to stop the abuse you give up, you give the interrogator in this case what they want to hear. and that's exactly what melissa did. >> so, sabrina, you've been investigating in your documentary is on what's happening right now, what have you learned so far? >> everything that could possibly have gone wrong in melissa's case went wrong. that you know there wasn't a proper investigation, that the police jump to conclusions, that her confession was coursed, and that after basically none of her kids were allowed to testify at trial, and that there were a lot of evidence that wasn't shown. so, she stood there with no defense, she had no experts on our side, and to me immediately when i started investigating the case, i saw how that face was. there was really just nothing that made melissa to the so-called crime. and, she said time and time again -- daughter had fallen down a flight of stairs and actually one of her sons in a film interview said that he saw his sister fall down a flight of stairs, that nobody believed her. and that wasn't brought up at trial. so, there was a lot of things and it seem to me that it was just a botched trial, and it was just really surprising to me that someone could be on death row, with such a loose case. and that's the reason why i investigated it. >> well, it's one of the things i found in reading up for this segment, one of the things that i found really sad an interesting at the same time, sandra, was one of things that sabrina is referring to none of the jury heard all the evidence. including that after they brought the evidence some juries did have a change of heart, and they're pleading also for the governor to basically exonerate her. what's the likelihood of that happening, under governor abbott who has executed folks that have had similar questionable cases? >> well, maria, you're right five jurors have come forward and called for either a new trial or and a minimum a stay of execution in this case. that is highly unusual in the reason that we have is that they now know that there is evidence that, the prosecutor at the time of trial who was corrupt, he's now serving in federal prison sentence for bribery, that he presented false testimony at melissa's trial. got the injuries to her daughter could only have come from abuse, when in actuality they were consistent with injuries sustained during her fall from a flight of stairs. governor abbott has in the past only once granted someone request for commutation, this is a very different case, this is a case that has united republicans, democrats alike more than half of the texas legislation has appealed to the board of pardons and the governor to stop this execution and commute melissa sentence. so, she has an opportunity to prove her innocence and hopefully one day she will be released. >> so, a lot can happen between now and wednesday? >> between now and wednesday we're hoping to get a stay of execution. there are pleadings, we filed appeals to the texas court of criminal appeals, which is the highest criminal court in the state, asking them to stay the execution. we have pleaded with the district attorney in this case, in cameron county to withdraw the execution date we've asked for the board of pardons to commute her sentence, to grant a reprieve. and we are hoping that one of them heeds our call. >> sabrina and sandra thank you so much for that information. hopefully your client has another day of rest. >> thank you so much for having. as >> coming up the top of the hour hundred to two michigan lawmaker going viral for standing up to the vicious republican attacks against gay and trans kids. we'll be right back. >> i know who i am, i know of faith and service means, and what it calls for in this moment. we will not let eight women. t let eight women. 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