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are you inhaler that the come back for keith? >> kyiv for them is symbolic. they were never able to achieve kyiv or let alone hold it. strict and key for them carries that symbolism that they have the upper hand in this war. there is no strategic reason to carry out these airstrikes. i think those airstrikes will continue as well due to putin being unhappy about his missile cruiser that went down two days ago. so, i think we will see more as strikes. there have not been any in kyiv tonight. as far as our member, their work through last night. from what i heard, my mother who is living in my house now is my eyes and ears on the ground. the way she described the past few days, it was probably when the worst explosion she has heard throughout the war, not the worst but one of the worst. >> do you feel like you need to get your mother out or your family out, until now, you have basically been holding tight in kyiv. but when the president is now warning that putin could use nuclear weapons, does that make you want change appellants? >> i was actually worried about nuclear weapons since the beginning of the war. to the entire world, putin included, expected us to go down in 2 to 3 days. ukraine actually pushed back and is winning in a major way. i think that the threat has existed for a long time, and it is only getting worse now. in terms of staying kyiv or outside kyiv, with putin in this world, with the way he's behaving, i don't think anywhere is safe. there are not any safe havens when you have an authoritarian with nuclear weapons threatening to use them against the three world. i am currently out of ukraine for one particular reason. that reason is on the military side of things, there is also an economic were happening against ukraine. there are a lot of things we need to do to make sure that our economy stays afloat and our businesses continue to operate. i plan to go back. as far as ukrainian women are concerned, here is a personal story. i almost ended leaving, guys, you should come with me, you must come with me. i even -- they agreed but on one condition that they would come back with me. i do not want them to return to ukraine in the next few weeks, but, unfortunately, we are and unequal society. in a democratic vote -- >> especially if those members are your family are strong woman, which i am sure they are. you mentioned keeping the ukrainian economy intact, how can you do that? millions of ukrainians have been forced to flee, so they cannot possibly be keeping their businesses running and employed. >> look, the second world war was won by the allies thanks to a certain program. i think we need to launch new businesses in ukraine at the moment, that is one thing. a second they, i think any socially responsible business in the west should consider introducing new temporary position of a chief ukrainian officer over the couple months or so. i think businesses need to cooperate in collaborate with ukrainian departments, especially given the fact the ukrainian brand is one of the hottest brands in the world are now. it is a non-zero sum game. there is extra value to be created. last but not least, i think we need to forget the way we used to do things and unleash our creativity on this. as i said before, we need a library, anything we can come up with, these are the start-ups of the 21st century, fighting a major war for the entire free world. we need to get that in turn for parole spirit behind. >> for the entrepreneurial spirit behind brand ukraine, i got time for the. igor, good to see you, glad you are safe, as to your family. thank you for joining us. i want to dig deeper and bring in our experts this evening. michael mcfaul, former u.s. ambassador to russia, and his book, titled from cold war to have peace, an american ambassador and putin's russia, and peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the new york times, who spent years as the new york post washington bureau chief. he told de land it, if the russians are not expelled from ukraine's eastern provinces, they can return to the center of ukraine and even to kyiv. it is possible. now is not yet the time a victory. what are you hearing from your friends in ukraine about russia's expected offensive? >> exactly the. they are preparing for the battle of donbas. they think it will be the central battle and critical battle in this war. they feel very good that they won the battle of kyiv. i think that will go down historically as one of the biggest battles in history of ukrainian sovereignty, in his third ukrainian nation. but it will not mean much they do not win the battle of donbas. if they do not stop the russian forces there, exactly what president zelenskyy says, they think that they will continue to move up from the south towards kyiv again. everything is at stake in this battle to come. >> in this battle yet to come cannot be one without serious support from western allies. i know you talk to the biden administration, what are they telling you about this next phase, how do they see it? >> i talk to both administrations. i talk to president zelenskyy on tuesday. the sense you get talking to both, our pentagon officials on him, on tuesday, it's just a different sense of time, right? i applaud with the biden ministration does. the latest package of 100 million, excuse me, is incredible. it is new stuff. the long range artillery is really important, that is something ukrainians have been asking for for a long time and have not received. for zelenskyy and his chief of staff, and those people living in the bunker, they want all that stuff yesterday. the s-300 that came from slovakia, that is fantastic. but they have been talking about that for three weeks, why did it take so long to come? it is just a sense of time. they won everything right away. the biden administration is doing the best they can. presidents lucky wasn't to do more and to do it faster. >> mister baker, every once in a while, we see a clever posting on twitter, we saw one tonight, courtesy of thom nichols, where he asked, if the russian warship sank in a storm after an accident, why is russia vowing to attack kyiv and retaliation? the kremlin seems to be having trouble and keeping their propaganda straight, it is a good question. >> exactly, i did not do it, if i did it, it is justify, is the old excuse. the russians, of course, we'll never emit when they have suffered a setback of the sort that they have suffered here. using the moskva is a big deal, even strategically but certainly symbolically. it is an embarrassment to a world power that aspires to be really reestablished on the globe as a superpower. it is a reminder of some to the russian japanese war of 1905 where the great fleet was sunk. it was an embarrassment that lasted for generations for russians. it is a repeat of that. it tells a story about determined ukrainian opposition that is not going to go down easily there. they are not simply going to roll over there. it would do everything they can, even to the point of taking down this russian battleship. for putin, it is a reminder that nothing has gone the way that they've got to go. he thought they would take over quickly, he thought they would be in kyiv within days. he thought it would drive a wedge between nato. the exact opposite has happened. they were driven all the central part of ukraine, nato is more unified than ever, even the fins and sweets, stolen could not get them to join nato, but looks like putin will. that has been a complete miscalculation on the part of vladimir putin on an epic proportion. >> what is putin doing, he is hiding the news. peter, you posted earlier today that the russian government is not blocking the independent russian times because of its war coverage. how significant is that move? >> it is a small bit of a larger story. it is a larger story as they have done everything they can to shut down the remaining independent media in an already autocratic society. it does not mean that russians cannot get the news that they want to, using ppe answer other ways to get out. the vast majority of russians are not going through the trouble to find a news. it means that broadly they are subjected to the propaganda of the kremlin. the kremlin is not talking about the moskva. but they are, they're giving a song and dance about how it was an accident. the kremlin is not telling them about the devastation of the people of ukraine, who are considered to be fraternal brothers and sisters at the russian people. the kremlin is not telling them about all the setbacks, and how they have been completely shut up for the world. they do control the apparatus information. that does not mean russians are not getting it. remember, when you have body bags come home, that overrides propaganda. when you see sons and daughters being buried because they have died in a war that people do not understand why they are waging, that has an impact that is hard, even for the kremlin to control. >> ambassador, i know you are paying attention to that, specifically military mothers in russia. the washington post is reporting that ukrainians are using facial recognition software on dead or captured russian soldiers and then they contact their families. do you think that could help swing public opinion against putin, or at least get more information as peter is pointing out, true information, to those families wondering where their sons and daughters are? >> first, it is an indication that putin is losing the war. he's back in the news. that is another thing to remember. peter, you are an embedded journalist back in the day when we wanted the american people to know about our armed forces and what they're doing. they're doing the exact opposite. they do not know wanted to know about losses. that is important to understand. stephanie, it is a really hard question. my prediction is, not right now but in the long term. right now, people are scared, people are even afraid to give news. the hard-core opposition people, like peter talked about, using vpn's, the news is there, but a lot of people do not want to hear, they did not want to talk about it. as students at stamford who their parents don't want to talk about the war, russia students. it is stench is -- overtime, the answer is yes, but the war drags on, more news travels informally among families that their sons are being killed in ukraine. it will begin to erode putin support for this war. that will be overtime, not immediately. >> overtime, in the immediate, people are dying. gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us on this friday evening. ambassador michael mcfaul and peter baker. coming up, new evidence in the january six investigation growing by the day. we will ask a member of the house committee will could be coming next. later, anger is growing in china over covid restrictions. while here at home, distress is on the rise. the institutions that are meant to help. we will hear from bestselling author, michael lewis, who predicted this. the 11th hour just getting underway on this friday night. y night. i recommend nature made vitamins, because i trust their quality. they were the first to be verified by usp, an independent organization that sets strict quality and purity standards. nature made. the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. 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>> let me just say, we have a very large amount of material. about 100,000 documents, many of them text messages from various people. we talked to more than 850 witnesses. and it is ongoing. there are multiple depositions and interviews going every day. so, i think we can piece things together. but i will just note this. although senator lee and congressman roy, in the end, voted to certify, they were certainly at some point advocating extraordinary efforts. and i think it is worth thinking about what the constitution really provides. it says every state -- the legislature -- shall appoint electors, and choose how the electors will be selected. every state has done that. they chose an election. and if a state decided that the legislature wanted to appoint electors, it is not clear they can do that. you do not look at article four that often. but article four guarantees to each state a republican form of government. part of our whole system of government rests on the wishes of the voters selecting those -- the congress or the president. and what was being pursued here, was, they were trying to get sydney powell in, trying to overturn with the voters had done. extraordinary and very dangerous. and the last text that mr. roy sent, saying this would be the end of our constitutional republic, that would be correct. congress does not choose a president. the american voters choose the president. >> but let's say we look at these texts and we agree they are terrible. that this contact from these two men does not -- the offices they hold. here is the issue. so what? they don't care what you or i think, they don't care what the committee thinks. the only thing that changes the game is that these two gentlemen, if they broke the law and they are forced to step down or face consequences. by your estimation, have any laws been broken? >> i am not going to reach the conclusion you have just stated here. but we are doing a complete review all of the activities of a variety of people. obviously, you know from what has been publicly reported that there was a plot that preceded the violence on january 6th. it was not just that randomly people showed up and decided to attack the police officers and try to disrupt the proceedings. there was a plan and a plot and many people were involved. i think it is a mistake -- i don't know how these messages get leaked -- but i think it is a mistake to just focus on the dribs and drabs that emerge onto the public arena. we will have substantial material here in the near future, laying out, as well as we can, in this detailed a fashion as we can, the evidence about what happened. and we hope that that will be definitive. and we hope that people renew their passion for the american democracy. >> your colleague on the committee, jamie raskin said, we should be prepared to possibly learn about new crimes. can you elaborate on that? i am not sure what he meant. >> i am not sure what he meant either. so, i cannot comment on it. but i will say that the plot that preceded the january 6th attack started well in advance. and it was very broad. and it was pretty chilling. >> i look forward to learning more at those hearings. congresswoman, zoe lofgren, thank you for joining us this evening. i would like to now welcome back to the program, luke broadwater, reporter for the new york times. i would like to get your reaction to what you heard from the congresswoman. >> sure. obviously, she and the committee are taking these text messages in context. this is one piece of the overall puzzle, putting together the case of what happened on january 6th. and it does sound like from what congressman raskin said, that they may have more evidence that they have yet to reveal to the public. so, we are all looking forward to seeing exactly what that is. and we are always interested in getting as much information out as possible. so, sometimes that happened through leaks, sometimes that is happening through on the record statements. but in the case with these latest text messages, these were through leaks. and the same with the testament from stephen miller yesterday. so, we are hearing more and more come out of the committee. but it would be very interesting to me personally, and i think all of us who were at the capitol on january 6th, to see these hearings when the committee gets ready to roll them out. >> you almost see the learning curve in the text messages, right? he is texting saying -- later, he backtracked. he watches the completely off the wall press conferences. so, you watch this arc of learning, at least for these two republicans who, in the end were like, okay, we are going to certify this thing and get out of crazy town. are we going to see the same type of track for other republicans? >> yeah, it is interesting. because more than half of congressional republicans vote to object to the election. so, if mike lee and chip roy ultimately stand on the side of the voters on january 6th. they side with the actual results of the election. but they took them a while to get their. mike lee tries three different attempts. first, he wants sydney powell in there. then he cannot believe the false and defamatory thing she is saying. then he wants john eastman to have a crack at overturning the election. and then he wants the fake elector plot or the alternative electors to perhaps be put forward. and windows do not materialize, only then does he say, well, i cannot go forward with this and you have got to back off this. chip roy does a similar thing. he goes and investigates alleged election fraud down in georgia. and when no election fraud materializes, he says, guys, we have to call this whole thing off. but there were so many people who, despite that lack of evidence, decided to go ahead with it anyway. 147 republicans in congress voted to object to joe biden's victory. that was a majority of the house of representatives. >> well, you say that these texts offer sort of a window into republican beliefs of these false claims of voter fraud. are we going to see a lot more of that when we get more texts messages in the coming weeks and months? that's a whole host of republicans, without knowing any hard-core informational evidence, bought into this idea? >> i think we will, definitely. i think mark meadows turned over more than 2000 text messages. and we have seen only a sample of those so far, through different leaks. and we know that the committee has many, many more documents in evidence than what has been released so far. i mean, alex jones, when he went in for his deposition, he said he was shocked to see that the committee already had his messages, that he did not have to turn them over. so, they put out a lot of subpoenas for text messages, four phone records, for bank records. so, they are sitting on a trove of material that has not been public yet. i mean, i am fascinated to see it. >> and mark meadows, as we have seen this week, he knows a bit about voter fraud himself. luke broadwater, thank you for joining us this evening, i appreciate it. coming, up covid threatening to make a come back, we will take a closer look at the trust issue surrounding the agencies that are supposed to be keeping us safe. bestselling author michael lewis predicted this would happen and here we are. he joins us when the 11th hour continues. continues. 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>> it is part of the root of the problem. the route runs very deep. the cdc was put a size back in the 19 80s under the reagan administration. they turned a guy who is running the place into a presidential appointee from a career of civil service. from that flows a lot of what we have now. it reached the put a's is a sheen of the place during the trump administration. the answer is yes, rather than this in passionate, objective science based response, we got a bizarre argument. as a result, we had a horrific outcome. it is something that we have not completely grappled with. when you have 4% of the world's population and 20% of the world's that, something is wrong. i do not think people have grappled with what was wrong. it was not just that the white house did not know what i was doing, that was part of it. part of it is that these risk management mechanisms that we have in the federal government have also fired. they have not been tended to for a very long time. they really are not up to managing the problem when it happens. >> when we do with this? now, we are losing our faith in connection in our agencies, our institutions, our government, what is filling the vacuum, and we just this? >> the first thing is, there is an intelligent postmortem benny to be done -- >> by whom? >> i am all for an independent, 9/11 style commission, among other things, asked a question like who did well and who did badly? why is the death rate in the miami area three or four times the death rate of the san francisco area. why are the red counties in california that did not comply with a lot of the mandates, why are their death rates two or three times where they are in the blue counties? i do not know the answer, but i suspect with the answers that intelligent public health had a big effect. there is a counterfactual in this country that if we had followed public advice and a little more closely and cohesively, hundreds of thousands of people would be alive today. on the other side of it, if you listen to the supposed sort of experts like ron desantis wheels out that says no one needs to wear a mask, you would have had twice as many deaths. this is something -- these are sort of analyses that need to be done in order to move forward. what worked, what didn't, which we do with this happens again? this is unlikely to be an isolated incident. it comes on the heels of lots of examples of pathogens jumping from animals into people. the bottom of it all is a broken militia put nature that we have. some version is going to happen again. what do you do? you start with some trusted source. you had to build a trusted source. it has to be bipartisan and independent to take stock would actually happen. >> that is a problem because mistrust and misinformation is running rampant across the country in the world for that matter. i want to change gears. you have spent decades studying and writing about power, influence and greed, i have got to get your take on the elon musk twitter possible takeover battle, when you think of it? >> [laughs] i am wholly unsuited to have an opinion about this. -- >> that is 100 percent false, you are absolutely suited to do this. >> it is amazing how she put her is for how important it has become. its influence is so much greater than the 43 billion dollars a costs. is elon musk owning it as a private company going to make it more trusted than it is now, a better referee a public discussion, i doubt it. i doubt that the perception will be any better. you know what i also tao, i kind of doubt that he actually wants to own it. talk about a headache, i think it is all just getting our attention. he is in the attention economy, it is not actual to own it. what he wants is that he wants us to talk by him maybe owning it. that is it. i did hospital a time thinking about it. i do not think he wants to own it because who would, i mean, would've nightmare? 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and then she feigns into their arms. >> i feel fine now. >> her name is tiffany, and that she was totally fine, except for one problem. the internet did not believe it. >> do you have the chills? i do. misinformation has spread almost as fast as the virus during the pandemic, and it is not always easy to track the lies back to their source. take the case of this tennessee nurse, tiffany dover, who fainted after getting one of the first covid vaccines. the rumors spread quickly. the short moments caught on camera were spun up by conspiracy theories theorists and anti-vaxxers to try to scare people away from a lifesaving vaccine. you know her as the world class reporter covering this, extremism, and the internet, which is why she needed to dig into this almost unbelievable story. and she has laid it all out in an amazing new podcast, tiffany dover is dead, we had to drops monday. brandi is here with us live. this is unbelievable. this podcast is about tiffany but it is about so much more. isn't it? >> this story is really small, when you think about it. a single nurse, she fainted, got back up, she was fine, went back to work. but it set off this chain of events that really stands in for a larger problem of misinformation and conspiracy thinking overall. this happened at a moment when all eyes were on these livestreams. you remember it. we were seeing all the nurses and doctors get the vaccine for the first time. so, when this happened it was one anti-vaxxer who called it a gift from the gods. this is what they were waiting for. and they -- >> buy that straight out of the gate, reputable sources saying, no, no, no, she is fine. let's move on. why didn't that take hold? >> stories are really powerful. we want to believe them as conspiracy theorists do and as anti-vaxxers do, when that's the case, it can be hard to debunk those ideas. to be fair, adding to this whole problem is the hospital response. it wasn't -- it was just not a great response to a conspiracy theory. it was sort of strange. the problem was that they sort of took her back out and put her on a stairway with a bunch thin of other nurses. she was wearing a mask over it. it was very strange. and people said, oh my god, that's not her, it's a body double. and that further the conspiracy theory. and you just saw the ball rolling down the hill, called anticipatory disinformation. and it sort of went wild. >> okay, but you have now clearly gone down this path andy bunked it. have you convinced anyone who deeply believes she was dead? have you convinced anyone that, no, she is alive and kicking? >> yes, i have definitely so far, over the last six months i have been really in this story, i have definitely convinced people who i would say we're dabbler,'s who maybe started a facebook group, we are tiffany dover? or started a website -- >> hold on, if you started a facebook group, we are stiff need over, i want to make, clear you are more than just a dabbler. >> but during the pandemic, a lot of people lost their minds. -- the pandemic really did drive everybody sort of crazy. when conspiracy theories grow in times of turmoil, we are confused, we are overwhelmed and need answers. and for a lot of us during the pandemic, we all sort of felt that way. and that's another reason why the story took off. >> okay, i know i am out of time but if we need over, still go into the hospital every day, to work. is she aware that this podcast exists? >> she doesn't know the podcast exists, she does. >> but she has not spoken? >> we will all wait for that together. >> which means you are all going to need to listen to this podcast, tiffany dover is dead, except she is not. >> congratulations, brandy zadrozny, i can't wait to listen -- tiffany dover is dead, it drops on monday wherever you get your podcasts. you are going to want to listen. coming up, an update to feed desperate refugees after eight weeks of war. you will hear from a very familiar volunteer on the frontlines when the 11th hour continues. continues. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ numbers... ...move you but some can stop you in your tracks. like the tens of thousands of people who were diagnosed with certain hpv-related cancers. for most people, hpv clears on its own. but for those who don't clear the virus, it can cause certain cancers. gardasil 9 is a vaccine given to adults through age 45 that can help protect against certain diseases caused by hpv. including cervical, vaginal, vulvar, anal, and certain head and neck cancers, such as throat and back of mouth cancers, and genital warts. gardasil 9 doesn't protect everyone and does not treat cancer or hpv infection. your doctor may recommend screening for certain hpv-related cancers. women still need routine cervical cancer screenings. you shouldn't get gardasil 9 if you've had an allergic reaction to the vaccine, its ingredients, or are allergic to yeast. tell your doctor if you have a weakened immune system, are pregnant, or plan to be. the most common side effects include injection site reactions, headache, fever, nausea, dizziness, tiredness, diarrhea, abdominal pain, and sore throat. fainting can also happen. help protect what counts. talk to your doctor or pharmacist about gardasil 9. i'm a fancy exercise bike noobie. instructor: come on! a little more! and i'm taking a detour. and if you don't have the right home insurance coverage, you could be working this out yourself. so get allstate. 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