newly revealed text messages show mike lee and chip roy going right to mark meadows in full support of the claims of fraud being pushed by trump and the maga team. senator lee telling meadow, exhaust every legal and constitutional remedy at your disposal. congressman roy saying we need ammo. we need fraud examples. those attitudes didn't last long. they grew weary of the claims once there was no evidence provided. newly revealed texts show the lawmakers expressing concern to overthrow by november. if you want senators to object, we need a strong evidentiary argument, ie, you need more people. trump didn't have that because his claims were false. warning, this will end badly for the president unless we have the constitution on our side. unless the states submit new states of trump electors to state law. we do not. even noting, i have grave concerns with the way my friend ted is continue about this effort. remember, ted cruz objected to the electoral count but lee voted to certify the results in favor of biden. he said this is an s word show. you know what he was saying. fix this now. senator lee spokesperson telling cnn he's been fully transparent and meadows has not responded. this explosive evidence emerging as we learn about the interview trump loyalist and white house aide stephen miller had with the january 6th committee. insiders describe the interview as heated. he invoked executive privilege when asked about his conversations with trump. >> we're going to walk down, and i'll be there with you. we're going to walk down, any one you want, but i think right here. we'll walk down to the capitol because you'll never take back our country with weakness. >> sounds a like like inciting a riot to me. maybe i'm nuts. >> miller denies trump was trying to incite the crowd to action. on trump's claim of ballot fraud, miller said, quote, argued that the election had been stolen claiming there were several examples of fraud. here's trump guy still insisting it was widespread fraud. it's been through the courts. we have a criminal probe on fake electors. we have a congressional probe based on this big lie yet trump psychic is denying reality on ballot fraud. talk about this joining me is jill winebanks. two of the smartest people i could ask about this. neil, i'm reading through most of this new information from cnn. i've seen plenty of screen shots from text message, friends going back who cancelled on dinner. i know that's always evidence. it could be in an argument. how much can any of these text messages be used by the department of justice? we know that it's bad and exposes what the republicans were trying to do but what can doj do with the text messages? >> i think they can do a lot. i think it paints a bigger picture about what the january 6th investigation is all about. we have been wondering why is the republican party hasn't cared more about what happened on january 6th. right after it happened, mitch mcconnell and others condemned it and the like. i think these texts today start to point to an answer which is that the wrought where you know the just donald trump. it goes do many leaders in the party. mike lee just voted against ketanji brown jackson for the supreme court because he said she wouldn't uphold the constitution. my god, these texts show this guy was -- thick into the plotting of this from the start. going to far as to call sydney powell a straight shooter and say the white house should meet with her. then when powell seemed insane to the self-proclaimed constitutionalist mike lee, he then pivoted to the next most insane person, john eastman and told the white house to listen to this guy. all of this explains why the politics have been the way they are which has made this almost a partisan thing when it shouldn't be. i think this evidence can be used in a justice department investigation. >> jill, i want to go to you on this. stephen miller goes and talks to january 6th committee. he's hostile. he's angry. he does his whole sort of kavanaugh thing. i understand he's been committed to this movement all along. what could be next for someone like him? if he goes in and lies, is he the next likely person to be kicked upstairs to merrick garland? will he be able to walk free and continue whatever white nationalist plans he has? what would be next for someone like stephen miller who is still committed to the ongoing coup being put forward by republicans? >> because we don't yet know exactly what he said, we're only hearing tidbits he claimed executive privilege which will not fly. there's fraud and crime exception. president biden has waived any privilege. there's no any reason for him to continue claiming that. there could be an obstruction charge. that could be next for him. whether he would ever cave, i don't know. based on what we have seen of him, i have a feeling he's a lost cause. i would worry about that. i do want to say i completely agree with neil that we could use these text messages in any kind of criminal proceeding at the department of justice. i have a slightly different take on one part which is both of these people who were adamant about supporting the fraud of the election came to realize that it was a fraud. they came to see the facts and they voted to confirm the electors, the real electors. i think we have to give them a break and say, they didn't vote that way and even though they were willing to be involved, they paid attention to what was true and to the fact there was no fraud and they voted the way they should have voted. i'm going to give them a little break on that. i just got to say that. sorry. >> jill, first of all, remember they did vote against the impeachment. they voted -- you're right. on january 6th. then they did the wrong thing and the texts reveal a plot for two months in which they were plotting a coup. yes, at the end they did one right call but i don't think that diminishes their culpability early on for their actions. >> jill, let me follow up on that. that was my question. i saw the same thing. it's like these guys were all in at the beginning. then they realized this is nonsense. to me, that's guys at ocean 11 who start with the bank robbery and they're like, these plans are garbage. at the end they decide they will not go with danny ocean. that's great. that's wonderful. does that necessarily mean that they are any better? the person who recognizes that a crime is being committed and realizes its wrong but still covers for it, aren't they just as guilt as the people who remain committed to it? >> they don't get a break in terms of past crimes committed because they do one thing right. whatever they did in the beginning, but in the beginning they where are writing saying send us evidence. they were asking the right questions. send us ammo, send us fact pps -- facts. we can't win this if we don't have that. they are saying we need ammo. we need fraud examples. we need it this weekend. they're asking for baked facts. they are asking for stuff that fits their pre-conceived narrative ahead of time. that's what concerns me. both before the election, during the election, after the november election, there was this continued plot and the facts were not real facts. they were kind of donald trump facts. alternative facts. that's what they are looking for. >> i want dop say this real quick, jill. neil is bringing up something key to a lot of the viewing audience. when i talk to people who aren't brilliant, experienced lawyers. they hear this. they see the text messages now. they see evidence after evidence that you have members of the house and senate who were complicit in this and part of the planning and plotting but they are seeing nobody is walking around in an orange jump suit. why is this taking so long when we have so much -- at least circumstantial evidence that suggests members of congress may have been complicit? why hasn't merrick garland called in more members of congress? maybe he has but we haven't heard about that. >> we don't know but i sense is it probably hasn't gotten to that stage yet. i hope i take the attorney general at his word that he will go where the facts lead him. obviously, this is something that has to be done in the most careful, meticulous of manners which is merrick garland's modus operiandi. the facts were so damning that the congressional committee filed a brief in january that said we believe the evidence shows that donald trump committed felonies and laid it out. then judge carter, very respected judge in california agreed and said it's more likely than not that donald trump committed these felonies. >> i want to get to some sound real quick. jill, we have peter navarro on january 4th praising ted cruz and talking about this plan. i want to get your thoughts. >> the plan was this. we had over 100 congressmen and senators on capitol hill ready to implement this and at 1:00 p.m., ted cruz, senator ted cruz and reptive starpted the green bay sweep beautifully challenging the results of arizona. >> between this and text messages, are we still not ready for orange jump suits? where does this fall now with the information? >> i'm on the more aggressive side of prosecution here. i believe that we do have enough evidence. one thing i learned in my appearance in organized crime, you could investigate forever to get the perfect case, to get every possible violation. at some point you have to say enough is sufficient and i'm going to go with the low hanging fruit. i have a case and i'm going to go with it. then you can build more cases. i think that's really important. we got great evidence in watergate after we returned indictments. it was a pre-trial subpoena. we didn't have that. we had enough to go to trial. we could have won on what we had. we got better but i do think that america is getting to the point where justice delayed is justice denied and that action is called for. >> thank you so much for starting us off with a hot segment. still ahead, devastating new details about russia's sunken warship. how this happened and what it means. a special interview with the former secretary of the navy under president obama. the rnc targets another staple of american democracy. boycotting presidential debates. i do not understand this and yet i do. : how maga nasty rhetoric on critical race theory is hurting real teachers in your classrooms. stay with us. this is jason johnson in for ari. s jason johnson in for ari. ugh... they found me. ♪ ♪ nice suits, you guys blend right in. the world needs you back. i'm retired greg, you know this. people have their money just sitting around doing nothing... that's bad, they shouldn't do that. they're getting crushed by inflation. well, i feel for them. they're taking financial advice from memes. 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>> russia navy is doing a bunch of things to help this invasion. first they have a blockade of all the ukrainian ports on the black sea, including odesa. it keeps resupply, food, ammunition, things like that from getting in. second, they've been firing long range cruise missile sboos ukraine as part of the attacking force. that is what the ship, one of the specialties was. the use missiles that the russians were using. third, there was the threat of an amphibious invasion around odesa that ships like the moscow would be the big support ships for. >> how common is it to see a flagship, i mean i think of history lessons in the battleship for the japanese and how big a deal that was. it did not survive. how big of a deal is it in modern military combat to see a nation's flagship battleship be sunk. has that happened in the last 25, 30 years and how might that impact russia going forward? >> it hasn't happened since world war ii in any conflict that i know of. it's huge. it's huge symbolically as you pointed out. this was the ship that threatened the ukrainians on snake island and they told them to go do something you can't say on tv. the ukrainians just issued a stamp commemorating that. this was a very powerful warship. it had cruise missiles, anti-air. it had anti-ship capables. it's their flag ship. those missiles were developed inside ukraine. these are ukrainian weapons that hit it. the russians at sea were like the russians on land. they underestimated ukrainians at how good they were and how nimble they were and how they could adapt. one of the things it shows is that ukraine cannot only use these smaller weapons like stingers and jav lips that are hand held, they can use some very sew fist datophisticated l missiles. >> i want to play some quick sound for you. this is talking about the length of this war. i want to get your thoughts. this is a pretty extensive idea about how long we thought this will be and what ukrainians can do against russia. >> i don't think it last for years. months, yes but not years. ukrainian army is getting stronger every day. they receive free enforcements. it's heavy armor now. long range artillery. if putin doesn't have win in the east by may 9th, next couple of weeks, ukraine ought to be counter offense. i don't see pew timpb tin with the resources. ukraine might restore integrity all on her own. >> between the moscow and this, this seems like the mess around and find out moment for the russians. can they continue a long term invasion for months or will putin have to go to the negotiating table if this drags on into the middle of the summer and the ukraiians don't seem to be losing ground? >> i think what he said is pretty accurate. they don't have the long term capabilities to do this. i don't think that's the only two choices. putin has showed he is perfectly, perfectly willing to keep pouring people and treasure into this war. that he doesn't care about life. he's resorted to what he resorted to every single time. he did a terror attack. he started lobbying missiles back into kyiv. maybe the only off ramp for a putin is he just changing the definition of victory. he says we won. we did everything we could. we have done this. we have done that. we're out of here. i think the time has past when you can say that russia's going to win this war. it's a question now of how badly they get mauled and how much civilians get killed and how much other things happen because of this but there's no way that they are going to subdue ukraine. >> thank you so much for that insight and information. ahead, hershel walker goes from football player to right wing monster. the republican whitewashing of history. a teacher fired oaf critical race theory which isn't being taught in schools. her first national interview is with us. what happened when you gets embarrassed on the debate stage? 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they don't want to submit themselves to any kind of scrutiny and more importantly, they don't want to get their voters and their base to go beyond their shells on fox news, on oan, on this new landscape where you can create media bubbles where there is no sort of dissension. there's no answering for the events of january 6th. nobody being held responsible for having a governing plan. >> if we remember the last presidential debates in 2020, you could argue that trump and his crew tried to turn it into warfare. they lied and mislead the public about their covid statuses and try to get joe biden and other members sick. we know they don't respect the process of debate. ask the question about other republicans. a lot of people assume that donald trump will eventually be the nominee in 2024 but there are other republicans who may be interested in running. you have desantis. you have abbott somebody else may pop up and just run because they think it will be beneficial to them. will the republicans backing out of the presidential debate, they may eliminate primary debates and require people to go out and make their own hay. i think a lot of republican who is might want to run for the nomination will be angry if they don't get the chance to debate each other. >> you know how for many years we have been referring to the republican side of things as just the fox news primary. that's literally what we're going to have on the republican side. if there is an open concept of some kind. imagine a world where donald trump doesn't run and it's a free for all for josh hawley and ted cruz, it seems fox news will have any republican debate and let's use debate if quote marks because it's not real debate. it's a mess of misinformation fest. going back to the broader question of when it's a republican versus a democrat, the media needs to show that there are going to be consequences if you're going to choose to withdraw from democratic norms. what the media should do is offer to have a debate and if donald trump or republican nominee is too chicken to show up, they need to go and say, all right, we're going to allow the democratic nominee to have an hour and a half, simulcast to say whatever they want, do whatever they want if republicans want to choose not to show up, that is their choice. they is their consequence. they can't cry about equal time if they don't choose to attend. media has to show there's consequences if you're going to just withdraw. otherwise, they get away with it. otherwise, republicans say, look, we played our hand. nothing changed. no one did anything to us. we were right to do so. >> i've been arguing for a long time that i don't refer to it as a republican party. they are a dimestore front for the terrorism movement called maga. when you escape and avoid all democratic norms, you can no longer be call add party. i want to move to the party that's semi-governing this country and that's the democrats. do you think that might femmely -- fundamentally change the fortunes. i do think that will alter not only the dynamics but how some of these campaigns approach these states and approach their ways of developing issues, developing their ideologies and have a positive benefit. >> no insult to iowa. everybody loves their fried butter steaks but it might be time for a democratic change. thank you guys so much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. coming up, football legend turned maga pawn. why one critic is calling the campaign a political minstrel show. an interview with someone directly affected by the maga culture wars. that's next on the beat. a cuurlte wars that's next on the beat. igraine my whole body feels free. because my eyes don't shy from the light. my head doesn't pound. and my stomach isn't nauseous. it's time for migraine prevention delivered differently, through an iv infusion. it's time for vyepti - a preventive treatment for migraine in adults. vyepti is designed to start working fast, and to last with a 30-minute iv infusion, 4 times a year delivering 100% of the medication directly into your bloodstream. the power of a vyepti infusion can help to reduce monthly migraine days. some had fewer migraine days with the very first treatment. don't take if allergic to vyepti. common side effects are allergic reactions, stuffy nose, and scratchy throat. allergic reactions include rash, swelling, trouble breathing, hives, and redness of the face. choose to infuse with migraine prevention delivered differently. talk to a neurologist or migraine specialist about vyepti. learn how you could save. 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did kids complain in class? did parents come to you? how did you get fired for teaching a lesson? >> well, i bought the teaching packet. this was one aspect of the packet. how did i come about getting fired? i distributed that work sheet in mid-february. on february 28th, my principal called me to her office and showed me a photo copy of that handout. asked for context. why was i using this. how did it relate to dear martin. she heard complaints from parents that it was crt. i explained, it's not even a work sheet. the hand out which was to be self-reflective before we started reading chapter 3 was directly related to the conservation the characters we were about to read this specific conversation between the two characters that deals with racial privilege and this was just an illustration of that term. i said i'm not teaching crt. i couldn't begin to teach crt. the book deals with racism but that's not crt. she suggested i not use this kind of material going forward. i went to class. two weeks later on march 14th, she called me back in and said she still fielding calls. she wouldn't name the parents. she did confirm none of the parents that she had heard from have students in the class. i don't know who they are. >> i want to hold on that point. i think that's really key. what you're telling us is that you were teaching a book that was approved by the school. it's approved by the school, yes? >> yes. i taught it last year. >> right. the same class and yet parents who weren't in your class filed complaints that led to the school board not renewing your contract. i want to ask you this other question very quickly. how long have you been teaching in your particular school? >> this is -- i'm finishing my fourth year and i subbed for three years prior to that. they know me. >> right. you're a known entity at the school. >> this would have been my tenured contract. this was the end of my probationary teacher period and this would have been my tenured contract. >> i want to jump to britney. britney, this is -- ms. morrison is the negative consequence on the attack of critical race theory, which is not being taught in schools. i want to ask you as a college professor, when you hear a story like this, what do you think could be the consequences for young students that ms. that, morrison and other teacher haves been restricted from teaching. what are the consequences for kids like that when they actually do go to college? how might they be limited if they're teachers are afraid to teach things they've been teaching for years? >> let me say ms. morrison this happened to you and your students. this is unconscionable and egregious and i hate it. what it means in my classroom i then get students under educated who cannot read context critically. i get students who struggle to empathize with characters and the ability to empathize with characters is a life skill and critical thinking skill, the ability to put your shoes in the character to understand their motivations. we need that kind of thinking when you want to lead an organization and become a politician if you want to be a good parent, if you want to be a productive citizen so the decisions you make are not just decisions what is best for you individually but your ability to understand why we need to govern with broad sympathy, right? for all the of the folks part of the republic. so these parents not even parents in the class, so tlair not actually advocating for students who have been harmed, they want a populace so it becomes okay to enact racist policy structures in full view of the public and that is the thing that makes what they're doing so scenical even though they try to give it the righteousness, it's completely empty and disengine use. >> following one that i want to show you this commercial with john mandel. get your thoughts as he attacks crt indirectly. >> martin luther king marched right here so skin color wouldn't matter. there is nothing racist about stopping critical race theory and loving america. >> i got to add, he's standing in front of the edmond pettis bridge and fighting against the education that would teach why the edmond pettis bridge matters. why do republicans think this is an effective method when they're contradicting themselves in their commercials? >> may the spirit of john lewis have mercy on us all. the reason they're doing it is it is effective. when you make people ignorant symptomatically and play on their fears and tell parents something is happening at school to harm their children, moral outrage leads the order of the day so they don't care about fealty and integrity. this is not about governance. this is a raw bid for power and the thing they keep showing us is they will go to the bottom of the barrel. they will spit upon the bloodshed by protesters on the edmond pettis bridge on the march to tell us that their racist policies and actions are actually anti racist and for the good of the country. we should not only be outraged but we should be systematically chipping away at this. i wish that ms. morrison, that the parents of the kids in your class would stand up on your behalf. i hope they will and i appreciate you because when i looked at that work sheet, one of the ones that really mattered to me is when it said that you had been called -- you know, have you ever been asked if you were acting white? that was something bullying that i dealt with as a kid that really made it hard to be in school, and so the -- there are black children in this school system who are dealing with that because of their proximity to whiteness that deserve to have their experience named and valued and understood. >> i think we just got the best education and sermon we could have tonight. we got to go. thank you very much. we'll be following up with your story. brittany cooper, thank you so much, as always. my special comment on herschel walker and his insane claims and run for the georgia senate, next on "the beat." senate, next on "the beat. ♪ ♪ nice suits, you guys blend right in. the world needs you back. i'm retired greg, you know this. people are taking financial advice from memes. 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