commander. new images show an eight-mile long convoy moving out toward the donbas. it includes command and control elements, a support battalion, enablers, rotary wing aviation and other infantry support. now in charge of the ukraine war, this general. officials say 11 people, including a child killed in more than 60 attacks this weekend. the mayor of the besieged city of mariupol says more than 10,000 people have died in that city alone. a meeting of the security council focusing on the impact of the war on women and children. >> since the start of russia's unprovoked war against ukraine, russia has bombed orphanages and maternity hospitals. we've seen mass graves with children stacked on top of each other. half of ukraine's children have left behind their homes, their schools and often at least one of their parents. >> despite the continued atrocities in his country, ukraine's foreign minister told check yesterday on "meet the press," he is still willing to negotiate with moscow. >> it's extremely difficult to even think about sitting down with people who commit or find excuses for all these atrocities and who have inflict such damage on ukraine. but i understand one thing, if sitting down with the russians will help me prevent at least one massacre like in bucha, i -- or like in kramatorsk, i have to take that opportunity. ambassador michael mcfaul, u.s. ambassador to russia and nbc news international affairs analyst. is there a sense that life could be returning to normal, especially after that extraordinary trip by boris johnson yesterday? or rather saturday? >> hi there, andrea. yes, life seems to be getting a little bit back to normal here in kyiv, after these russian forces pulled out. over the weekend, president boris johnson and president zelenskyy welcoming other leaders and seen defiantly strolling through the streets of kyiv. as you said, other parts of this country are preparing for that russian offensive in the eastern part of ukraine. kharkiv, as you said, dozens of air strikes in the last 24 hours. there are at least 11 people dead, including a child as well in kharkiv. and this morning, andrea, we actually went back to bucha where there are still forensic investigators there exhuming a mass grave, trying to identify the bodies. war crimes prosecutors are also there. we saw scenes of devastation that stretched just for miles. and there are more bodies being found each day in the suburbs in and around kyiv. the death toll in this region has now topped 400. as you said, andrea, a huge concern now, president zelenskyy just telling -- the mayor of mariupol telling the associated press but president zelenskyy also mentioning over the last 24 hours in one of his addresses that the fear is in mariupol there could be likely tens of thousands of people dead, an atrocity, an incredible historic scale, even worse than what we've seen in places like bucha here near kyiv, andrea. >> mike mcfaul, jump in here. i want to talk about what happens next. we've seen this column now eight miles long. there's a lot of questions whether we are getting the weapons to ukraine quickly enough so that they can win in donbas, as they won in kyiv before the russians really dig in, especially under this brutal new general. talk to me about that. >> well, let's first celebrate the victory, the battle of kyiv, like you were just reporting. this is an extraordinary victory. i think it will be down in the history books as a defining moment for the rebirth of the ukrainian numbers and one of the biggest defeats of the russian army. but the war is not over. the war is moving. it will be the battle of donbas. putin is committed to trying to connect crimea to donbas. and in their assessment, the ukrainian government's assessment, they don't have the weapons needed to fight that war. i'm not a military expert, i don't want to pretend that i know but i hear from them thank you for what you've done and we need more. and we should remember they need different kinds of weapons, heavy artillery, tanks, to fight this new kind of battle on an offensively way. they've been fighting for six weeks. they've probably taken much bigger casualties than we know and i think a lot of their equipment has been damaged. they need replenishment as fast as possible. >> mike, i'm going to jump in. we're going to go to the pentagon. here is john kirby. >> particularly in chernihiv, moving into into belarus and we're seeing movement eastward now back into russia. we still believe that the goal here for them -- so they have none of those groups that were a raid in the north are now in ukraine. our view, our assessment is that they've all left. and they're beginning this effort to move them further to the east. we think, we think that they're going to use places like belgorod and north of the border of ukraine as refit, weigh stations for them to resupply. we have seen some early indications, bob, that they are in fact -- the russians are in fact trying to resupply and reinforce their efforts in the donbas. i think you guys have all seen imagery. i've seen it, another convoy of vehicles heading south towards that town of izyum. it's not clear to us how many vehicles are in the convoy, what they're bringing. it does seem to be a mix of personnel carrying vehicles and armored vehicles and maybe some artillery, some enables capabilities. not exactly clear. but this this does seem to be an early effort by them to reenforce their efforts in the donbas. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> without getting into russian targeting because we don't have perfect visibility on that, we have seen the russians hit airfields in the last couple of weeks, including one near dnipro just over the last day or so. what exactly they're targeting at that folds is not perfectly clear to us. but we -- i would just say this about ukrainian air defense. they still have a lot of their air defense capabilities available to them. they, as you know, have been asking for more. so we are working with allies and partners to help get long range air defense systems into ukraine. and the secretary is working this personally quite frankly, working with allies and partners to see what they can do. we want to try to get them long range air defense systems that we know they know how to use and can put into employment fairly quickly. ukrainians, again without getting into their order of battle, they clearly value their short and long range air defense for good region and they're doing a very effective job of using it and marshaling those resources and doing the best they can to protect them. >> earlier today president zelenskyy talked about what he said of the death toll of mariupol, he said tens of thousands. does that scale sound plausible? >> it could be. we don't know. i don't think anybody is really going to know until ukrainian authorities are able to get in there and look and see. it still being fought over so it's still contested territory. but if you just look at the imagery and you see how much the russians have pounded mariupol from the air, it's inconceivable to imagine that there aren't going to be civilians casualties and that it could be a significant number. but i think we just need to not be jumping to conclusions here while the city is still being fought over. >> and secondly, jake sullivan over the weekend talked about the new russian general to lead the war effort. is that in any way a sign that president putin has accepted that it's not going well and he needs to readjust in some ways? >> i don't think mr. putin needs many signs that it hasn't been going well for him in ukraine. here we are day 46 and, again, he failed to achieve so many of his geographic and strategic objectives inside ukraine. so they're repositioning, they're refocusing on the donbas. i'll let them speak to their personnel announcements, but it wouldn't surprise anybody that they're trying to organize themselves better for a now more geographically confined and more specific set of target objectives now in the donbas specifically and in the south. what i would just hasten to offer is that the ukrainians have been for eight years and still are fighting over that. that's still part of ukraine and they show no signs of being willing to give that territory up, nor should they. and so we'll have to see how this plays out. but whatever the russian plans are, whatever their goals for this new commander are, they're still going to have to account for a very nimble ukrainian defense. let me go to the phones a little bit. we'll keep working around. barbara, i think you're online today? >> yeah, hi. i do want to follow up on the general, if i may. he's obviously -- he's someone known to the u.s. military from his operations in syria and in the destruction of aleppo. what can you tell people, if anything at all, about his track record and having a disregard for civilian casualties? and then i wanted to follow up on the next round of security assistance, if i may. >> look, i'm not -- i'm not going to detail his biographic details or pretend to think that we know perfectly how this particular general intends to lead. i would say this -- he and other senior russian leaders have shown in the past and you mentioned syria as one example, have shown clearly in the past their disregard for avoiding civilian harm. their utter disregard in many ways for the laws of war, laws of war and conflict. and the brutality with which they conduct and prosecute their operations. there's a track record here before ukraine of russian brutality. and you've seen it on display every single day of the last 46 days. the brutality that the russians are capable of. we're seeing it today. as you and i are talking here, you can see it today. so i think sadly we can all expect that those same brutal tactics, that same disregard for civilian life and civilian infrastructure will probably continue as they now focus in a more geographically confined area in the donbas. you heard the chairman talk about it last week, that it's his assessment and we believe he's right that this could auger in for a more protracted and a very bloody next phase here of this conflict. and i don't know -- i wouldn't pretend to say that we know for certain that this new general is going to be the author of some new additional and more bloody tactics, but we can certainly say by what we've seen in the past that we are -- we're probably turning another page in the same book of russian brutality. and again i'll say it, i know you get tired of me saying it but i'll say it again. this war could end today. mr. putin could do the right thing now. he could sit down in good faith with president zelenskyy and had war could end. he had diplomatic options on the table. he chose to ignore them and here we are day 46. he has not achieved the strategic objectives that he wanted to achieve. this is the perfect opportunity for him to negotiate in good faith with president zelenskyy and the war. courtney. >> to security assistance, if i may. as you shift into the south -- as ukraine shifts into the south and the east in new or heavy-rounded combat and you look at security assistance, can you -- how do you -- what's your best thought, the u.s.'s best thoughts about how to get artillery, armor, all the things that you've said they need for that when they do not have u.s. versions in their current inventory and they need things quickly that they can take advantage of and use? can you help people understand the next round of security systems? >> we are working very, very hard every single day to continue to get security assistance to the ukrainians. i mean, eight to ten flights a day are coming into the region. not just from the united states but from other nations as well. and that stuff isn't sitting around, barbara. it gets to these transshipment site, they're put on to trucks and they're moved into ukraine very, very quickly. in some cases stuff comes from the united states takes no more than four to six days from the time the president authorized draw down and we aren't slowing down. regardless of the russian refocus on the donbas, we're not slowing down. that stuff continues to move. it's going to continue to move. we've said as much as we can as fast as we can and we mean it. the reprioritization has not had an effect to coordinate the massive amounts of assistance from the u.s. into the ukraine. that assistance still continues. courtney. >> reporter: my question has been answered if you can hear me. >> thanks, court. go ahead. >> reporter: you said the fighting is continuing in mariupol, but the pro-russian troops in this region just said this morning that they took the -- and the ukrainian army said that they are still in mariupol, said that they don't have anymore ammunitions. so is it your assessment that mariupol is falling? >> i told you our assessment as of this morning was that the city was still being fought over. i don't have more up-to-date information than that. and nothing of what you just read out to me necessarily disputes our assessment this morning that it's still being fought over. yeah. >> i'm wondering like in buch a with i wonder if there's concern this could change international norms or put u.s. troops or others in danger in the future, if u.s. troops are is there any concern they could endanger u.s. troops that way or international -- >> look, i would just say our expectations are that they will are treated in accordance with the geneva convention and international law period. that's the way it needs to be. we've been very open about that. >> reporter: has there been any developments, you have been helping in any specific way now with the effort to kind of collect the data and look at what the russians have actually done and maybe charge russians -- >> i would just say in general because we're not going to talk about everything specifically that we're doing as part of the interagency effort here as part of the united states government but we'll pitch in and try to do to help with the evidence of war crimes being produced. it also fairly transparent for the world to see, again, the brutality and war crimes that russian forces are conducting. >> can you say any example, satellite imagery. >> we are collecting documents and other things. some will be through open source imagery as well. but i won't go into more detail than that. >> today china's foreign minister confirmed it sent large military supplies into serbia over the weekend. they say there was multiple shipment and chan is claiming it had nothing to do with the current space -- >> we can't con fourp those -- confirm those reports. it would be difficult since i can't confirm it to speak late speculate as to what the purpose might be. >> reporter: is there any concern with them sending weapons into serbia? >> look, i mean, we would certainly not want to see anything flow in that could be an advantage to the russians. okay? mike. >> reporter: is there still confidence -- go back to the india thing. is there still confidence india can remain a defense partner in the indo pacific region when their attitude are so at odds with the rest of the world? >> we have a strong defense partnership with india and we are going to continue to look for ways to deepen that defense partnership. india is an important partner in the indo-pacific region and we're going to continue to look for ways to improve that partnership. and, you know, india should be able to speak for their own national policies with respect with what's going on in russia and ukraine. we've been very honest about the actions we're taking and the thing that we're doing. the other things we're doing are looking for ways to deepen our partnership. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> i'm not saying it would. if that's the intent, if it's some sort of potential option of getting assistance to russia, obviously, you know, we would not consider that helpful. but i'm not confirming that it happened and, as i said before, i'm not confirming what their intent is. >> reporter: have you seen any evidence that china has supported any military support for russia and ukraine? >> no. let's see. jeff. >> reporter: thank you. the defense department said it has shipped hundreds of switch blade drones to ukraine. is it possible to get a rough number? >> you've been listening to the pentagon briefing pap question now to john kirby about training ukrainian forces to deal with the very advanced switch blade jouns -- excuse me, clint watts and ambassador mcfaul. clint, let's talk about what john kirby is saying about that attack which everyone is forecasting against the donbas region, the resupply convoy plus artillery and personnel carriers. what are you seeing on the ground in terms of how many days before they would be in position to resume attacks, more aggressive attacks? >> andrea, that's a great point. at current what you see here in the light blue is essentially all those areas where the russian military has withdrawn and the ukrainian military has taken back over. but the most important there is in the east. you're already seeing this convoy. belgorod is where the u from the sumy corridor, they've essentially relocated here to push that convoy down. izyum is going to be this key location. you see a small light blue there battling against the russian military, which will take us to this real battle space here. this is the one the region apps and what ear. there's a buildup from russian combat power from this action yes, sir and from their separatist and there's quarter right here which is a row with series of and then push south to actually cut off this part ofdom bass. the question is how fast can they do it and how can and courtney kube, our pentagon correspondent, is joining us now. she was part of that pentagon and as we were rejoining the show, he was being asked about those switch blade drones and how quickly these advanced weapons can get to ukraine because i was noting earlier before you joined us that the s-300s from slovakia that we promised a couple of weeks ago are just now getting in. so they're putting in a lot but the supply chain is not getting there as fasts as they can. you're right, andrea. everything that's needed is needed before the next phase moves in. the next phase in slovakia, that is moving in. a patriot battery was moved to poland a couple weeks ago so for any ally that might have an s-300. on the switch blades, we know over 100 have made their way into ukraine. there's not a lot of fidelity about that and how many more may be going into. but a lot of our views may not be familiar with it. it kind of referred to as a drone butch it's a lot more that than. it's a small, very compact loitering munition. it's fired from a tube. it fits into a back pack. it's fired from a tube. one of the variants, the 600, can actually loiter or hover over a target for as long as 40 minutes before it crashes down with explosives. it can take out a tank. this can be almost a game changer for the military on the ground, andrea. >> and time is short, mike mcfaul. up know so much about the donbas region and separatist russian support in that region. is it conceivable that the extraordinary work in kyiv, in the kyiv area to push the russians out could work in the east and in don it's one thing to defend territory and cities. it another and i just think we do not in everybody agrees this is the main battlefield and maybe the last battle of this war. but i think it too premature to say who will actually win. by the way, a win for the ukrainian side could also be stalemate. if we're looking at the same maps and they're more or less the same colors and coloration, that also will be a tremendous achievement for the ukrainian army. >> thanks for you, mike mcfall and i thank you all so much. coming up, macron versus le pen again. how it could have major. you're watching 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scarf. that's her program. but more for the last administration and all of vladimir putin's european allies, putin said he didn't want to interfere in the elections. she said she would lift sanctions as season of by she's skeptical of the eu and at one point wanted to withdraw entirely. and so this would be a very, very worrying development for the alliance at this moment with a war in europe if we had a president marie le pen in france. >> roger, let's just talk about instead of going on television with hose and trying to negotiate a solution before the invasion and since with vladimir putin. he wasn't campaigning. he didn't do debates. did the french voters react against that? >> they did react. in the polls about a month ago he had a clear like 10% advantage over her. he was distracted. he appeared somewhat aloof, even smug. it was on the phone every other day with vladimir putin. that now of course he is fully focused but it was almost as if this was tedious. at one point there was a cartoon in le monde with him turning away from a crowd at a rally and saying on his cell phone and saying sorry, vladimir, i've got to deal with this boring thing but i'll be back to you in a couple of minutes. and that was kind of the impress that was beginning to form. nevertheless, at one point last week it looked like there might be just a 2% margin between them. it is 4%, but there's still a lot of potential support for le pen in the second round and this is by no means a done deal. macron is still the favorite but he's not the overwhelming favorite. >> and, john then lemir, what is the white house reaction to this? they've got to be concerned they might lose an al lie in marone, in hungary, really extreme conservative and pro russian leaders in europe. >> yeah, and i wrote about this this weekend. the white house is deeply concerned and watching for this result in france as anticipated. for all the reasons just outline it and the europeans, too, there's a suggestion that she at some point might do a frexit, the french equivalent of brexit. she's cast great skepticism about the coalition to stop moscow'. >> what sort of chilling effect it could have across europe that other leaders there might suddenly have second thoughts about supporting this coalition to stand with ukraine if they fear that they also might face a than, say, le pen would be. and senior white house and biden administration officials tell me they're also on the lookout for any russian election interference, disinformation campaigns, bots and alike trying to tip the scales in the election. they've done that in the united states, they've done that in the united kingdom. white house eighths looking for. >> but still two weeks to go. >> i think that. >> you've snow and this could as you reported today 51% of the votes in election yesterday was anti-nato. so that's going to to be concerning. what do woo is ffrm marine le pen was held in the end o, tv pundit, a musician. he snchl and he's adding to 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and war in ukraine is top priority right now. the president will travel this week to talk about rising costs and inflation numbers coming out tomorrow. the white house is clearly trying to shift its priorities to what most concerns voters in these mid terms. joining me is nbc's josh ledderman. what are we expecting on ghost guns and finally nominating someone to be the gun regulator after seven years are a vacancy there? >> gun violence is one of those issues that president biden as a candidate made big promises to democrats about the action he would take one he's got into office. but where we haven't seen a whole lot of progress since he took office more than a year ago and we've been hearing increasingly from gun rights activists saying essentially that they have been let down so far by president biden. that's raised some real concerns about enthusiasm, turnout for democrats as they head into the mid terms and need to be able to show voters what they've actually been able to accomplish on issues like policing, like guns, like immigration. and so we're increasingly seeing president biden in areas where he hasn't been able to make significant legislative process try to find the ways that he can at least show through executive action, through what he can do on his own, even if it's more modest, he is taking action where he's able to. so on gun rights and gun violence in particular today, the president will be taking action on these ghost guns that are so hard to trace, that you can buy a kit with no background check and be able to build a gun that has no serial number. that is going to change according to these new regulations from the atf that for most of these cases, will require serial numbers and a background check and as the administration works to implement that, they will be naming this new head of the atf after there has been a lengthy delay following the withdrawal of president biden's form are nominee for that role, david shipman, who was unable to get confirmed. president biden today will be announcing a former u.s. attorney from ohio as he tries to show he is making progress on gun violence. andrea? >> thanks very much, josh. >> we have more on the mid term as former president donald trump backs tv celebrity dr. oz. and the race in pennsylvania could decide which party controls the senate. that race coming up. you're watching "meet the press daily." what goes on it... usually. ♪♪ in it... mostly. even what gets near your body. please please please take that outside. here to meet those high standards is the walgreens health and wellness brand. over 2000 products. rigorously tested. walgreens pharmacist recommended... and particularly kind to your wallet. ♪♪ controls the senate. controls the senate. controls the senate. controls the senate. former president donald trump made another foray into the republican primary calendar over the weekend, endorsing dr. oz for the open senate seat in pennsylvania, a state that could control the state of the senate this november. the endorsement of the celebrity tv doctor is at odds with many in trump world, including former secretary of state pompeo and kelly ann conway. "the new york times" had reporting on that a while ago as well. he and his wife, who was a very close adviser in the trump white house. joining us now, president and ceo of vote latino and rick tyler, both msnbc contributor. endorsement about dr. oz was notable because he made it automobile about electability. is he the most electable candidate in pennsylvania? >> trump makes an important point about dr. oz, which is that he's had an 18-year successful television career an career and trump thinks that makes apopular, but it's not always true, being a celebrity translates to people voting for you. people may like you but not vote for you, and people did vote for trump. endorsements are way overrated. i would give jim clyburn's endorsement of biden was huge, and many so-called top candidates or top elected officials that endorse their candidates often go on to lose. it's part of a big package. trump is fading and his light is dimming and endorsing oz was a calculated bet to give him the biggest bet for his buck. >> let's talk about dr. oz in terms of the celebrity television aspects of it, rick, because so many people, you know, fail to recognize the tv celebrity aspects of donald trump in 2015 and 2016. >> oh, well, there's a long record of me being on television through the primary making exactly that case, andrea, about who donald trump was and as a celebrity was not going to translate into the republican parties, and i won out on that and my party ignored me and people liked him and they voted for him. what is interesting to me is trump's fan base and i will call it a fan base because it doesn't act like a political support base, and all of these republicans are trying to run ard and win over trump's fan base. fans don't translate from one politician to another. >> let's talk about what the democrats need to do in these midterms, because so far we have seen, you know, terrible poll numbers in, you know, which party they want to see control congress, the president's leadership. how do they fix that? with what policies can they fix that? are there any easy fixes coming up? >> none of it is easy fixes because we are going to perhaps the biggest inflation that we have seen in a generation and a half. we have not witnessed this type of potential inflationary prices since the '70s for a long of voters that's a lifetime, and they have to brag a little more, and that's a challenge they have not done, and children are back in school and i am grateful, and we are able to get relief packages and people are going back to work, they need to brag about that. the infrastructure bill that was passed to modernize our infrastructure and bring people back to work is from the democratic side. they need to close that gap. this is also one of the reasons why i think the moratorium on student loans was postponed into august is that on his platform he promised $10,000 relief for everybody who has a loan and he will have to make good on that, and for those less likely to participate for that who voted him in 2020 were young people and women, and two-thirds of loan holders are female, and that relief would make such a big difference and if they say if we can get this relief we will continue down the path of the democratic recovery, and sean hannity, he has an advertising mechanism through fox news that most republicans or democrats would want to salivate, and he says every single night that dr. oz is the man and that's what makes the endorsement of donald trump with hannity so unique. >> and they have a contested race for the senate, how do they get women, suburban women, to vote for them? how do they motivate the black voters in philadelphia? they need big margins out of the cities to overcome trump support in terms of many areas, the rural areas of pennsylvania? >> you are absolutely right. there's absolutely -- the right is mobilized and want to get out and participate, and the democrats, it's more of the good news coming out of the courts is a lot of the districts that are going to be hef heavily gerrymandered is not coming to fruition, and so go back to the same voters and ensure they go back and vote and the only way to do that is to go on the ground communications and constantly reminding people of the progress we made thus far, and the only way to maintain that progress is to ensure that biden has colleagues he can work with. that's going to be, more than anything, communications and explaining the pain inflation is going to cause every single american regardless of the political stripes. >> the governor's race is at stake, governor wolf, he has been one person standing against the republican legislature wanting to recount the vote even though joe biden won pennsylvania by 80,000 votes, and it depends on who dr. oz or whoever becomes the senate candidate can help the top of the chain there? >> yeah, that's right, and mitch mcconnell reflected that, he needs to make sure that he is recruiting candidates who will have an attractability and likability in order to help the entire ticket, however, i do think that -- i do think that biden's troubles in poll numbers and so many things -- and maria is smart to acknowledge that people are struggling with inflation, and it's going to be a struggle and the time something wrong going into november. >> tyler and maria, to be continued. thank you so much for our mid-term fix. that does it for us this hour. chuck will be back with "meet the press daily," and msnbc coverage continues with katy tur after this break. 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