now, while it's not a subpoena, it's a necessary step given mccarthy's extensive communications with trump including a phone call while the siege was underway. in fact, mccarthy discussed that call with cbs news in realtime during the attack and he made clear that trump had to call off the mob. >> i had spoken to the president. i asked him to talk to the nation to stop this. i was very clear with the president when i called him. this has to stop and he has to go to the american public and tell them to stop this. >> leader mccarthy, the president of the united states has a briefing room steps from the oval office. it is the cameras are hot 24/7, as you know. why hasn't he walked down and said that now? >> i conveyed to the president what i think is best to do and i'm hopeful the president will do it. >> wow. wow. and yet, the former president allowed that attack to proceed for 187 minutes. it is hard to fathom now but mccarthy even considered asking trump to resign the presidency just days before the end of his term. mccarthy also claimed that trump later accepted some responsibility for the insurrection, though trump never uttered any such thing in public. all those conversations are of interest to the select commitee and he did say last spring he would testify if asked. >> would you be willing to testify about your conversation with donald trump on january 6th if you were asked by an outside commission -- >> sure. next question. >> well, now he's been asked. and, you know, this is vitally important because the more we learn about january 6th, the harder it is to dismiss it as some spontaneous occurrence. instead, better resembles a coordinated top effort in public view and behind the scenes. on the one hand, you had the maga shock troops on the ground, the rank and file trump supporters incited to violence in the name of the big lie. they attempted a literally coup by force. on the other hand, you have a more subversing effort behind closed doors conducted by loyalest like john eastman and peter navarro. they put pen to paper and laid out blueprints to over electoral system itself. we're learning more how the schemes are supposed to work thanks to reporting in politico that got attention this week. namely, the committee is scrutinizing forged election documents in michigan and arizona declaring trump and pence the winner of the states even though they lost, that's right, trump supporters in those states literally forged official documents to try to pass them off as legitimate. the truth is however this exact same thing happened in a total of seven states. and those fake election certificates are getting renewed attention. in addition to michigan and arizona, republicans did this in georgia, new mexico, nevada, pennsylvania and wisconsin. without any legal authority they tried to award their state's electoral votes to trump instead of biden. and thanks to the watchdog group american oversight, we have copies of the foe phony elector votes and appear to have been signed by committee members of the state's republican party, sometimes by the chairperson. what the attempt looks like a clear cause of fraud but notably faced no consequences for their actions and what's more curious is that these fake electoral slates played a huge role in trump's efforts to short circuit our democracy. in fact, they were crucial to trump's plan to have mike pence contest the results before congress on january 6th. and we know that because the now infamous memos drafted by trump lawyers john eastman and ellis both cited these documents as the basis for throwing out the legitimate votes from those states. it suggests maybe this is part of a coordinated top down effort maybe these state republicans got some direction. now last night the brilliant rachel maddow uncovered another rather suspicious detail about these fake election documents. she not only noticed that the forgeries looked noticeably different than their authentic counterparts but that five of the forgeries were nearly i dent kill to one another. >> all the real certificates from the states are different, unique. all states are different, their little quirks and dirk rations -- decorations and seals. look at the forged documents. look at them. they all match. exactly. same formatting, same font, same spacing. almost the exact same wording. all of them. this would therefore appear to be a coordinated effort. >> joining me now is congressman adam schiff of california a member of the house select committee on the january 6th attack and the chairman of the house intelligence committee. congressman schiff, thank you for being here. i want to start on that point. what shocks me most what appears to have been a coordinated attempt to submit false slates of electors to the national archives and submit to congress so mike pence would act on them is what seems to me to be out right open fraud has seen no reaction. is that attempted submission of fraud, is that part of the january 6th investigation. >> can't comment on these particular documents in terms of the committee's possession. i can't say yes every line of effort to overturn the election is within the scope of our investigation and i think it's really important to under score as you have tonight that it wasn't just about january 6th. january 6th was just one part of a broader plan to overturn the election that involved according to public reports these fraudulent certificates of electors that involved efforts in places like georgia to get the secretary of state to find 11,780 votes that don't exist and involve pressure on local election officials in places like michigan on state legislators and places like pennsylvania. so there was a comprehensive effort including bogus litigation to overturn the election and what we are doing on the committee is piecing this together and seeing whether there was potentially overall organization or whether these were independent lines of effort. that's really one of our key focuses and so -- yeah? >> well, put on your prosecutor hat for me if you could for a moment. just excise that idea of putting forward fake, you know, slates of electors and attempting to submit them as real when they're literally fraudulent. should that be a prosecutable crime? should the prosecution look at that as a separate crime? >> i think the justice department should be investigating whether this was an act of fraud or attempted fraud absolutely. and similarly, i think the justice department should be looking at the effort in georgia to get the secretary of state of georgia to find votes that don't exist and, you know, the one concern i had listening to merrick garland the other day is while he talked about january 6th and holding people accountable when on the ground participating in that insurrection or not is the focus was on january 6th and that's important but there are all these other elements, too. if there was ever to defraud the voters to georgia or defraud the voters in these other states through these fraudulent certificates and a willful intent to do so it may very well be a prosecutable offense. >> and we know that at least two elected officials elected at the time and currently elected attempted to pressure the georgia secretary of state to essentially falsely overturn the election and those two people were donald trump and lindsey graham and so we're starting to skate into this territory where it kind of hard to avoid the elected officials involved. let go to kevin mccarthy. hey has some involvement. i want to put up a quick timeline. let go through kevin mccarthy for a minute. we played earlier what kevin mccarthy said in realtime. it was clear he is like this needs to stop and trump needs to stop it. on january 6th, he said i was clear with the president when i called the president and told him to make it stop. one week later he gets on the house floor and says the president bears responsibility also accurate but then one week later, he tells reporters the opposite. i don't believe that trump provoked the insurrection. suddenly changes his mind and does an interview and says everybody bears responsibility on the 24th of january. now we get to january 28th. now he goes down to mar-a-lago, which adamkinzinger which is where he said he rest recollected donald trump from the dead. he said he completely changed his story. it seems talking to him would be very important for the committee. at this point, it's a letter, a request. at what point does that request become a subpoena for the house minority leader. >> you're absolutely right. his testimony is very important. he was on the phone with the president in realtime while this was going on and what we have in this public account largely is what he claims to have told the president, what we don't have is what did the president say? and sitting on the other end another indication of that from other members of congress in terms of what mccarthy related to them about his conversation with the president but he's a key witness for we have not reached a decision with respect to mccarthy who we just reached out to today, excuse me, or any of the other witnesses what the repercussion would be if they refuse but we're going to have to make that decision. >> i'm going to give you a chance to sip some water. i had the same thing happen to me yesterday. i can totally relate. here is the challenge with kevin mccarthy. he has a very clear conflict of interest here. he wants to be speaker. he needs the support of the sedition caucus. he would need their votes if in fact the house went to a republican majority. he has in trying to curry favor with those people has promised to do of your committee chairmanship. omar's committee assignments to try to do to them what was done to people who violated the rules of the house of representatives. he sort of trolling you-all including yourself. so he has no incentive to cooperate with your committee. he's already said i'll come in here and troll adam schiff if i get the gavel. don't you have to go right to a subpoena to make him compile and then enforce it because he's not going to voluntarily compile. >> our practice, which we're going to follow here, too, with members is to seek their voluntarily cooperation first and then determine what steps are necessary if they don't. but look, he said he would testify earlier. now kevin mccarthy is anything if not inconsistent so he could speak a different tune right now but he has clearly important information for the committee, firsthand conversations with the president. the house has the capability of essentially running its own affairs and that includes discipliing it own members and so we have different tools with respect to house members than we do for example with steve bannon or mark meadows but have made no decision yet which of those two to use but we're certainly actively considering. >> just from the standpoint of getting, are you concerned that if they fail to compile in the end to hold responsible the people at the upper end of this conspiracy up to and including donald trump, that there will be no way to hold anybody accountable if you can't get the compliance. >> we're using every method we can to try to get information from multiple sources so the source would be a conversation between mccarthy and trump would be mccarthy at trump but there are other people that mccarthy described as conversations, too, that we will try to get. i think that given the level of cooperation we're getting, we're going to be able to compile a pretty impressive report what happened. there are some that can successfully do that and we'll use every tool we can. the house members, there are some considerations that people like sean hannity with a journalist approach with others that are attorneys there are other considerations like giuliani but nonetheless, we're making great effort to get to the truth of this. the final point i would make to get to your comments earlier, mccarthy is a very weak leader. he really is dependent on the qanon conference based within his conference and he, you know, as he demonstrated with that to trump after the insurrection will do whatever he thinks will advance his ambition. that's just who we're dealing with and i think we recognize it and we're just going to have to figure out the best way of secures his cooperation and whether there is an adequate way. >> indeed. the worst-case scenario for american democracy is have people complicit in the insurrection and willing to condone it in charge of the house of representatives. it's hard to imagine but something we have to imagine. congressman adam schiff, thank you very much. appreciate you being here tonight. next on "the reidout" the almost impressive shamelessness of mitch mcconnell's attack today on president biden. >> he shouted that if you disagree with him, you're george wallace. george wallace? you don't pass the laws he wants, you're 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why. because it would neutralize the greatest power in the senate and minority and majority leader, obstruction. this is the same mcconnell the use of filibusters skyrocketed and the numbers soared as remust be -- republicans launched a blockade, the obstruction that led harry reid to change the senate rules to confirm president obama's non-judicial nominations by a majority vote over mitchell's hypocritical protest then mitch turned right around when he became majority leader and used the nuclear option to add an exception to the filibuster to pack the supreme court with right wing members before he stole a seat to give merrick garland a hearing in 2016 and bragging to the folks back home it was his proudest moment telling obama he would not get to fill the vacancy. mitch mcconnell has no moral authority about breaking the senate. spare me your outrage mitch because if anyone broke the senate, it's you. joining me now, elie justice correspondent for "the nation" and what racism cost everyone and how we prosper together and elie, i have pretty much been waiting since the moment i heard mitch open his mouth to hear what you had to say about it. the floor is yours, my friend. >> i am reminded of a chris rock joke when the seinfeld guy said the "n" word and they said the seinfeld guy isn't racist and chris rock said what does a person have to do to be racist in this country? these people, mitch mcconnell and his party are standing in opposition to the voting rights act. the voting rights act being the most important piece of legislation in american history, the literal only statute we've had to make the 15th amendment real, the only statute we've had to make the african american participation in the policy real. these people stand against him? what do they want me to call them? i'll call them whatever they want me to. they want me to call them modern day white supremacist? whatever word they want i'll use but what we're not going to do, what we're not going to do is pretend they're reasonable. we won't pretend they have values because what they are trying to do is exactly what white supremacists have tried to do in this country for the entire history of, remember, people like mitch mcconnell are as american as apple pie. denying black people's full and equal participation in this country is as american as apple pie. he's making an american argument it just a dumb racist one and i don't see why he -- i don't understand what other word he would like me to use to describe his alliance with racist policies. >> you know, heather, the fascinating thing about mitch mcconnell is first of all, he's completely shameless and completely ruthless. back in the '90s, in '93 he said i admire high slave holding ancestor. they did what they need to do. that seemed to be the policy when he breaks the senate to get control of the supreme court and hates the idea of ending filibuster he says that. what mitch mcconnell gave was a performance. this is somebody that never said donald trump was unpresidential but the reason he said this about president biden is because what he's afraid of is that if the rules are changed, he won't be able to use the power that he's used so ruthlessly over time and that if people get to vote and get access to the vote, he might never get the gavel back. is that the way you read it? >> absolutely. the senate is already rigged. it been rigged from the beginning to be sort of an affirmative action for rural people. the great people of montana and nk fk bless their hearts have the same legislative efficacy as the millions more people in our more populous states. you've got that imbalance created and on top of that, you have rules, backdoor chamber rules that have been exploited by mitch mcconnell better than any other single senator in history in the name of ensuring a super majority requirement to pass legislation and in the name of ensuring minority rule in this country. if you think about who supports all of the democrats' agenda, those democratic senators are representing 40 million more americans than are the republicans who are closing for example voting rights legislation which is popular not just in the majority of the united states senate but a clear majority but also in the majority of the united states. but that's always been the fight, right? as elie says so beautifully all the time, it always been the fight. are we going to have a multi racial democracy in this country or not? in my book i argue that fight, that central fight is one that has swept everyone who doesn't have a lot of money and a lot of power into the margins of our democracy because let's be clear, what does mitch mcconnell want? he doesn't want black folks to vote and young folks to vote but doesn't care if that many people vote as long as the fund mental questions who decide whose is going on in our economy and how the bread is buttered and who gets paid back as long as that's in the hands of a narrow white elite. >> yeah, you know, he doesn't want to vote is poor white folks because they don't vote, people try to hang trump on them. white people don't vote. you have a lot in kentucky, a lot of poor white people. let's play vice president kamala harris, one of the people that would have surprised mitch's ancestors greatly with her presence as vice president. >> when we have the discussion about who is responsible, i will not absolve the 50 republicans in the united states senate from responsibility for upholding one of the most basic and important tenants of our democracy, which is free and fair elections and access to the ballot for all eligible voters. >> what about senator manchin? >> i don't think anyone should be absolved from the responsibility of preserving and protecting our democracy. >> elie, you know, the hypocrisy of saying that the senate isn't broken. that's the other thing mitch said today. let's just look at this. between 2005 and 2006, there were 68 filibusters used in the united states senate. while he was majority -- minority leader in 2013 to 2014 there were 252. they just escalated and escalated and escalated from there. they jumped into the hundreds because of mitch mcconnell. the senate is broken. and the idea, what do you make of this sort of fear that people like mitt romney are putting for that oh my goodness, if you get rid of the filibuster, it will wreak the place or mitch mcconnell threatening to bring everything to a halt. isn't everything broken and halted? >> the filibuster from the mitt romney s and joe manchins of the world is historically wrong. the filibuster isn't in the constitution and not a constitutional principle and not always been here and critically and i've written about this. i wrote about this a year ago a lot. the issue that we have right now we have a procedual filibuster as opposed to a talking filibuster. back in the day when the filibuster was still doing its work of propping up segregation, you basically had to earn it. stand up and hold the floor and they change that rule. democrats in fact changed the rule to make it a legislative all you have to do is check a box and you don't have to earn it. i've yet to hear a joe manchin or mitt romney explain to me why -- screw taking away the filibuster. why going back to the filibuster in the 1970s, going back to a talking filibuster is somehow worse than the current legislative filibuster. joy, joe manchin doesn't take my calls and go on your show. he'll not defend himself to the people he's unwilling to defend but if one of these other reporters could please just once ask manchin why the talking filibuster is bad but the legislative filibuster is good, i would like to hear his answer. >> i would like to hear it too. elie and heather are sticking around because up next, we going to florida. the absolute worst candidate ron desantis is giving us a sneak peek to gain control in washington. a nightmare scenario in his twisted version of freedom. stay with us. o in his twisted version of freedom stay with us what happens when you block heartburn with one prilosec otc in the morning? 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to protest and culture wars like when he called on the legislature to allow parents to pass a law to fire teachers teaching critical race theory and the mississippi law out lawing abortions after six weeks without regard to race or incest. if you're not convinced republicans suppressing the vote would harm the democracy, look no further than ron desantis' florida. an authoritarian harbor what is to come if republicans take over this country in total. back with me, elie and heather. let talk about this abortion ban in florida. this feels like the supreme court opened the door and ron desantis is running through it. >> that's right. there are 15 states currently considering these types of abortion bans even though 80% of this country believes that people should have a right to a legal and safe abortion. this is the kind of thing that's been cooked up in the back rooms of elite republican donors and in copy cat legislation across the country, whether the attacks on honest education, letting parents sue teachers and lie -- librarians for daring to assign toni morrison or deconstruct martin luther king's speech or using a book to teach elementary school students about the bravery of a 6-year-old girl. this is the thingagenda. they don't have an answer for climate change, clean air and clean water. they don't have an answer for how they're going to build a strong middle class, bring jobs home. all of it is about these culture wars that are about dividing and conquering and the scary thing is because of the long history of this and the mismatch of the sort of echo chamber, we are seeing it work in places like florida. seeing it work in places like arizona and increasingly in places like virginia. so democrats have to be very, very strong about making sure that we have a representative democracy that we make sure that the economic agenda that can actually deliver for the american people isn't stone walled and filibustered and prevented from changing the real odds here in this upcoming midterm. >> indeed. i mean, it's sort of turning the country into mississippi and texas and florida's right along with it. the thing about it, elie, is that, you know, because the supreme court has done a i don't know we don't do anything about it, taking the attitude because they're getting what they want. a state like florida can create a police state. you can't protest there as heather just said. you can't teach ruby bridge's book. you can get sued for assigning books, the librarians are scared. he's created a fear base aid among everyone who isn't his ideological match so if you're a right winger who wants the hand mads tail you're free but that's a weird freedom. this isn't a consequence of essentially the supreme court you've warned about this a lot taking a hands off approach to the kind of ideological attacks that republicans have unleashed against everyone but them. >> when supreme court rules with what is called federalism, the idea that the state should have broad authority to kind of do whatever they want within their borders, there is a lot of people that think that's a reasonable outcome and think that it's fine for the states to choose for themselves and really, if i'm a northeastern liberal, whatever. who cares about florida. who cares about mississippi. i live in new york and california and i'll be fine. most african americans in this country still live in the states where their ancestors were enslaved. if you look by population, you'll see georgia, mississippi, louisiana, florida, these are the states. it ain't california. it ain't new york. it ain't minnesota. it's these states. when these republicans as you saw -- i don't know if you saw marjorie taylor greene yesterday was like we want a civil divorce from the rest of the country. when these white people in these states talk about leaving, they're talking about leaving and taking their black people with them like before and i know that will hurt the ron desantis that i'm making this analogy and comparison what they're doing now but it's the same thought process that these states, these policies exist -- these policies exist for the benefit of the white hetro males in charge and not free for anybody else, not for the black people, proud people, not for the women in these states. we can't as liberals, left and center people consign the south to its white supremacist fate because we cut off our left hand when we do that. we have to fight for these people and that means that we have to fight the supreme court and fight their interpretations of federalism. >> indeed because as you said -- >> and -- >> very quickly. go ahead. >> we have to expand the supreme court. we have -- it was a stolen court. we've got to expand the supreme court. >> yeah. amen. amen. you're not going to get anything but an amen here on this panel. elie, heather, thank you both very much. >> tonight's absolute worst is up next and if you're not sure whether to laugh or cry on this one, you're 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this morning the conservative opinion section of "the wall street journal" posted a piece suggesting we should speed up the spread by getting rid of masks and social distancing. to make some sense of it all, we're joined by msnbc medical contributor and affiliate professor at the health institute of evaluations. i have people around, you know, i heard people say this that i know that i think are smart. we're all going to get omicron anyway. it is the left severe one. maybe we should all get it and get it overwith. is that medically sound? >> joy, good evening. i don't believe it is. i do think that we still need to be careful with the virus that we have only known for six weeks, joy. and frankly, it also cause az higher viral load of the nose and throat. there is some studies suggesting that maybe it doesn't cause such a high viral load in the lungs. there is a lot to be determined. 10,000 americans dying week over week well into the beginning of february. this is still a very uncertain phase. the i would not recommend you go out and just expose yourself. vaccination is still the key to getting out of this. >> i'm with you. there is also sort of, you know, i feel like i know more people that have gotten omicron than don't have covid. it's like wildfire. spreading like measles or something. you're starting to see on the anti-vax side, the reaction to that being to go even deep near the weird well. there is a guy who is now out there saying that people should drink their own urine to fight covid. herschel walker who used to be a great football player but now promoting a mist. like spray a mist he said would kill covid on your body. like axe body spray. he wants to be a senator. what do you make of the fact that people are going deeper into the weirdness rather than just get the damn shot? >> yeah. i wish i could explain it. i do see senators like senator ran paul giving a cover. it is distracting from the fact that i know a lot of people said, hau, doc, i don't feel comfortable with the vaccine. we have the conversation. but they are comfortable getting the pfizer or oral anti-viral pill if they need it. that is interesting logic. we should be talking about that. we should be talking about making sure people have awareness of this anti-viral pill that they have access. go to healthdata.gov. where can i get access? it now provides at the street level, joy, where you can get information on access to your local drugstore. that's where we should be having this conversation. that's what they should be talking about. where you can get the effective therapeutics that can help people stay out of the hospital. >> yeah. don't listen to rand paul for my medical advice. i'm frustrated with the cdc. every time they say something, i get annoyed. i feel they keep changing thing e. things so much that it's hard to keep up. at this point, you to me make more sense than they do. i would rather ask you. should we be switching -- i use a kn-95 mask. and i no longer use the hospital ones. should we be using kn-95 masks or n-95 masks? >> i see no reason why not. this is why it's going to be an individual decision. yes. take tuberculosis. tb has long been known as an airborne trans mitted virus. that means it gets transmitted through tiny droplets in the air. that's what we think omicron, delta, that's what they're doing. they're more airborne. how do you protect against that? a better mask. on a flight or going to the grocery store, that's what better masks do. they protect you against airborne transmitted viruses. so yes, absolutely, find yourself a kn-95 or n-95. the big difference is there are bands behind your head. tighter fit. a little more uncomfortable. but this is also a quick plug for sanders. he introduced legislation that would make masks free. >> yeah. very quick. very quick. what is the difference between the antigen test or the other one, pcr? >> so i like the antigen tests. thet have high sensitivity that detect if you're infectious to other people. we have to move to a different sense of normal. >> tonight, "all in." >> would you be willing to testify about your conversation with donald trump on january 6th if asked by an outside commission? >> sure. next question. >> you would? >> kevin mccarthy gets his time in the barrel. >> i'm asking you specifically, did he say to you i guess some people are more concerned about the election than you are? >> no, listen, my conversations with the president are my conversations with the president. >> tonight the extraordinary letter from the january 6th committee that kevin mccarthy why they're investigating his conversations with trump before, during, and after the insurrection and serious implications for the top house republican. plus, senator elizabeth warren on the new strategy f

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