sullivan's on capitol hill including an evening visual and testimonials from members who escaped the mob of rioters. but the day began with remarks from the president and vice president in statuary hall. president biden offered a passion defense of our democracy laced with the direct and scathing attack. an attack on donald trump. >> the former president of the united states has created and spread a web of lies about the 2020 election. because his bruised ego matters more to him than our democracy then our constitution. he is not just a former president, he's a defeated former president. the feted by a margin by over 7 million of your votes. for a full and free and fair election. those who stormed this capitol, and those who instigated and incited, and those who called on them to do stow held a doctor at the throat of america an american democracy. i would stand in this breach. i will defend this nation. i will allow no want to place a darker and throw that the democracy. >> moments after biden finished trump responded with a series of statements calling the president's speech, quote, political theater among other things. most republican john makers stayed away from the events on the capitol. senator, mitch mcconnell, issued a statement that acknowledge the gravity of this day while also criticizing efforts to use the january six anniversary to push for voting rights legislation and filibuster reform. quote, the united states capitol was stormed by criminals who brutalized police officers and used force to try and stop congress to do their job. it has been stunning to see some washington democrats try to exploit this anniversary to advance partisan policy goals that longed predated this event. senators should not be trying to exploit this anniversary to damage the senate in a different way from within. just to republicans who did take part in today's january six committee vice chair liz cheney and her father, the former bright's president ticked cheney who also served in the house. they were in the chamber to join democrats for a moment of silence. aside from the chinese, every seat on the republican side of the house was empty. earlier the former vice president was asked about his party. >> what is the reaction to the republican's leadership handling this, of the reaction to january six? >> well, i'm, it's not a leadership that resembles any of the folks i knew when i was here for ten years. >> are you disappointed with the way that they've treated your daughter? >> my daughter can take care of herself. >> meanwhile, a group of former trump administration's officials is behind an effort to block their former boss from winning office again. one member of this group is the former white house press secretary stephanie grisham, who says that about 15 former officials are of all. she is not cooperating with the house committee investigating january six. and she met with them on wednesday. >> all i know about that day is that he was in the dining room gleefully watching on his tv as he often did look at all of the people fighting for me, hitting rewind, watching it again. that is what i know. >> with that let's bring in our lead off guests on this thursday night. peter baker i, chief white house correspondent for the new york times. , pulitzer prize-winning writer with the washington post. co-writer of the new york times bestseller, i alone can fix. it juanita tolliver, and daniel goldman assistant united states attorney for the southern district of new york. he also served as general counsel for the house intelligence committee during the first trump impeachment. good evening to all of you. thank you for being with us tonight. carol leonnig, joe biden started his campaign when he first declared that he was running with the idea that it was a fight for the soul of this nation. but genuinely speaking, he doesn't speak about donald trump. and genuinely speaking, when he does, he doesn't speak negatively about donald trump. today that all changed. >> it absolutely did ali. i don't think i've ever heard him say anything so forceful and aggressive about the, quote, former guy or president depending on a speaking. i think what was striking about this moment was that joe biden grabbed the pole with both hands. and he said here's the deal folks. here is the guy who spread the big lie. here's the guy who's a sore loser. he all but called donald trump a big baby. the guy who can't get over the fact that he lost. and it is interesting, i think to a lot of partisans on both sides i have been listening to them myself today. democrats are furious that he really made this use of it sooner to communicate to voters whether they'd be democrats republicans or undecided. it's exactly what the truth is about the election. 8 million voters, seven to 8 million voters decided this election in favor of biden. and it doesn't seem to be any other way. >> peter baker, we just heard this earlier today from benny thompson, the chairman of the january six committee. let's listen. >> we are learning that individuals conspired to change the outcome of the election. that they used assets of the federal government to try and promote the big lie that they intimidated state officials towards the big lie. i am concerned that even the replacement of certain people to accomplish the big lie was under consideration. you said individuals conspire conspiracy. and obviously being a crime, including people of the inner circle of the trump white house? >> no question about. it >> peter, what are people who are watching that supposed to make of? it is there's some sense that this committee has the momentum and the ability to get to the bottom of all that chairman thompson said they are looking to get to the bottom of? >> well that is the question of course. we already know the people around the president and the president himself tried to use the power of his office to pressure other entities of government to declare the election is somehow corrupt. he told the acting attorney general, just call it corrupt and i will take the risk. he called the secretary of state and georgia to try and get him to find 11,000 more votes for him. he called michigan lawmakers. he called the governor of arizona. he repeatedly tried to use any influence he can detain the election and find the way to justify denying president biden the election that he had one. up to the point where he pressured his own vice president to take an action against the president that was unconstitutional on that day on january six. so with this committee has to do and forces to lay out a narrative that would be compelling to voters who haven't already made up their minds about it. many americans already have a pretty strong view of january six. the jen -- the question is are they coming up with something that would change some minds? we've already got more than 300 interviews and have 37,000 documents. they have already uncovered these text messages involving mark meadows, and we know that they've been producing things that we haven't seen so far. the question is what they know but they haven't told us yet. how they present the hearings in the coming months. >> daniel, you and i talked about a lot during the mueller investigation. you are than general counsel to the first impeachment of donald trump. how is this different? what could this committee do the eye there an impeachment or special counsel cannot do or the other way around? what disadvantages does it have? >> well, there is no clear outcome here. -- as there was with impeachment and asked there was potentially with the council for criminal indictment. what i think that we are seeing is, as peter said, real momentum. what happens when you get some momentum that you start getting the day into break is that you get witnesses like stephanie grisham. will all of a sudden had a front row seat and is now cooperating. and then she tells the committee about others who may be less known out to those of us watching. but who may be central to what was going on in the white house. and you start to build a narrative and others start to cooperate. and then it gets to the point where someone like mark meadows has to say, all right, am i going to rebut this committee and allow the committee and the other witnesses to paint the picture of me that will go down in history. or do i want to go in there and give my side of the story? and that is why the momentum matters. it's that it starts putting pressure on everyone around the president to get in there. to tell their side of the story. but when you have documents like they do and you have numerous witnesses as the do, you can't make up a story as easily as you might be able to if everything were being played out in public. so there is so much that we don't know. over 300 witnesses, a lot of documents still to come. and that is why i think those public hearings would be so important. because they will be able to package the case once they know the facts and present it in a most persuasive way possible which can move the hearts and minds of americans and frankly may have an impact on the department of justice and whether the department decides that it is going to invest in a full fledged investigation of the efforts to overturn the election. all of those facts that bitterly doubt, that is pretty good evidence that donald trump tried to overturn an election which is a violation of the federal conspiracy laws to impair and interfere with the lawful functioning of the government. and if he did that knowing that it was a fraudulent scheme then you can charge him. and the question is, was this just getting advice from john eastman? or did he know that it was a big lie that he was peddling in order to pressure officials and overturn the government, in which case it would potentially be a crime. whpeter that's high praise froma reporter, coming from daniel goldman. he knows when he speaks about. let me ask you something about what carroll said. she doesn't remember hearing joe biden speak as forcibly or aggressively about donald trump. joe biden getting to this whole thing to be a conciliate or, he said that the country was putting down the middle. and he has been criticized by a lots of people in his own party for his conciliatory approach. the gloves seems to have come off today. but let's talk about election prospects and winning. approval ratings are still low for joe biden and for democrats for whatever reason that is. what does joe biden have to do to finish this mission of unifying this country? >> look, i think joe biden laid out a playing field with a speech for the path that the democrats should pursue without and throughout the rest of this mission. his speech today was about naming exactly how bad this wound is for this country. and the need to clean it out in order to be able to heal. and this energy that he put on display today, that we have not seen throughout this presidency, especially late into the january 6th attack is something that democrats in congress need to carry forward. they need to keep that same energy when trying to undo a lot of the harm that we saw come from trump's lies. the lies protection waited by -- every time they tried to minimize would happen on january six. so this energy that we saw today should be the energy that democrats carry in the senate when they figure out a way around the filibuster. whether that's a carve out or other options. and they pass for voting rights laws. when they passed the freedom to vote act. when they pass the john lewis voting rights act. because there is a lot to undo. because this lie that trump perpetuated doesn't stop on january six. it spreads to state houses across the country were republicans in 19 states have passed voter suppression laws that we know are targeted to black and brown communities that have been disenfranchised. so the energy that biden put on display today is the energy that democrats need to carry in order to flip the script. because the country's act skiing democrats, what are you going to do about everything that has gone wrong? talking about january six? talking about the voter suppression laws. so considering that republicans of resolve himself of any responsibility to fortify our democracy or protect our democracy, it all falls to democrats at this point. >> you said a lot of when is there, when they do that, when they did the other thing. but the fact is it's not for lack of trying on the parts of either democrats or the president. what changes? if there is another gear that joe biden has right now, what does that do for voting rights? what does that do for build back better? what does it do for covid? what does it do for americans who say, how are you making my life better? >> i think that the next gear is emphasizing the impact because let's be real. ali, the election in ten months could be the last election that we recognize under our current democracy. right? it is so fractured at this point. so naming that threat, naming the energy to the dam -- is going to increase pressure to democrats to add. because saying that our own mansion wanted bipartisan support on that is going to be insufficient. and honestly, it will also be a welcome mat for trump to expand his power and expand his authoritarian mission that we stand on display this far. so i say one because i am hopeful that they keep this energy. i am hopeful that they will use every tool available to them to pass these rights. because it falls exclusively to them. no one can step in here. and so when i see biden use this energy today, that is a signal to his entire party to get it done. >> daniel, there is one piece of criticism that is still out there that will need that didn't touch on. it is people who would like merrick garland to work faster. who would like merrick garland to get in there and do something about donald trump and his cronies on what they were up to a year ago today. what is your sense of the speed of which the attorney generals office and the department of justice are working? >> well, the speed that they are working on the january six prosecutions an investigation is remarkable. those numbers that he outlined in his speech yesterday are pretty astonishing for one year of an investigation. i think everyone needs to recognize that just because, you know, peter or carole may have report on one anonymous source says, that is not admissible evidence. they can be used in a criminal case. it is a lot harder to find evidence to support what we believe to be the facts. and that is incredibly important to remember when you are talking about the speed. i cannot put peter on the stand and say, hey peter what did your anonymous source say? and use that as evidence. you actually have to find out who the sources and put the source on the stand and have that source be cross examined. you know, it's much more complex. complicated and difficult to find admissible evidence. so, we cannot expect the investigations to move as quickly as we might want them to or we might think they can because we read it in the media. the issue i think that everybody is wondering at a speech left opened and open the question yesterday about, there is no question that the doj is going to get to the bottom of january six. but are they going to broaden the aperture and include some of those facts of donald trump and others trying to overturn the election? that is the open question. and that will take a lot of time. it is not going to happen overnight. and it's not going to happen in the next week. nor months. so we shouldn't wanted to. our country founded on the rule of law. we cannot say that donald trump abused the rule of law by giving favors to his friends, by trying to interfere with the criminal justice system. but yet when the switches flipped, all of a sudden, we want to politicize the criminal justice system. we have to maintain the rule of law and do it properly and give due process to everyone whether we like them or like their politics are not. so i would caution patients. we would like to see, i think many people are wondering whether or not there is an investigation into donald trump's efforts to overturn the election, because to me, based on what we've seen that is where he has the most criminal liability. >> to all of you for our guess they have agreed to stay. coming up, we know the election was not stolen. so is the big lie paneled by the former president and his supporters? a cause of the deep political division in this country or is it a symptom? and later, why some say the biggest threat to american democracy is america itself. we'll look at the danger within and what happens if social instability spreads. one of our guest says that the history of that is not pretty. the 11th hour just getting underway. ting underway why choose proven quality sleep from sleep number? because my sleep number 360 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think-able can become real. because democracy rose and could god forbid, god forbid, horror of horrors, vanished. >> earlier today the new york times described january six as, quote, just another wet in a divided nation. in that article one of our guests, peter baker, writes quote, while mr. biden and the democrats describe the dangers to the constitutional order from what amounted to an anti democratic insurrection, mr. trump and his allies railed against the congressional investigating committee. and they seek to rewrite history by repeating wild and false claims about a supposedly salute election and asserting that the ryan was born out of justified anger. still with it before mentioned, peter baker, carol leonnig, juanita tolliver, and daniel goldman. tell me, this you write about the idea that just has become another partisan went. but to juanita's point, if it continues down that road we are going to have elections that could potentially become less democratic as we go all along if americans accept the premise that you presented today. >> yes, there was a stealing for about a day, maybe a week after january six. there is something that might have changed as a result. the top of the system that was so extraordinary in what had happened, even republicans, many republicans, not all would finally decide to break trumpism. to realize that there was something going on here that was bigger than the party. you heard at that that time, mitch mcconnell exploring -- and you heard lindsey graham saying that she's done. you saw kevin mccarthy see that the president needs to be for what happened. and then within a short amount of time somebody had to go back to their corner. and what we saw today was not a 9/11 style commemoration to bring the country together. it was not a moment where the country unified to defend its democracy in its system. what you saw was a very party line exercise in washington. democrats inducted commemoration speeches, historian tunnels, candlelight vigil. and no republicans other than liz cheney or her father dick cheney showed up in the senate chain or or the house chamber for this event. that is an extraordinary situation that is a corrosive one to a democracy of the two sides can agree on the starting rules and then compete for who wins on a basis that they all agree on. it is just a dangerous situation. >> so carroll, but we also saw today with the former president of the united states continuing to perpetuate the very lie that got this thing all underway. to what degree to peter's point, to what degree does donald trump still controlled the leaders of power within the republican party? and do you see that changing in any way in the coming months? >> i really don't ali. when donald trump said that this is all a bunch of political theater, i really have to turtle. donald trump was a genius at politico theory you're. he is engaging in it. and he controls the levels of power in the oval office and used everyone he could in the waning days of his administration to try and block a peaceful transfer of power. and now he's using every lever at his disposal. no longer in the oval. i'm continuing to remind people of something that's not true. i think that is why i've heard so many democrats at least complain that i wish biden was using this moment to remind people what is true. if as my great colleague phil rucker and i often say, and is still true today as it was on january 21st of last year. if the primary was held for the nominees, for the republican nominee for president, donald trump would be the nominee. and i think what a lot of us are starting to watch for as journalists to schumer's point about the, god forbid, what happens if people don't believe in our democracy, we are looking to see what they're going to be essentially dozens of miniature trump's in the midterm election say, oh heavens to betsy. this election was rigged. i won the dog catcher election. and it was unfairly robbed from me. and if dozens of people start to do that, that is an erosion that you can't imagine finding a enough sandbags to repair. >> juanita, democrats are seeming to understand for those who didn't understand. everyone seems to understand that this issue about the legitimacy of elections around voting rights is the primary issue. and it probably needs to come ahead of other issues as desirable of those other matters. and as you pointed out if this continues through the next election elections may just not before in this country after that. >> that is exactly right. and to curls point, i just keep coming back to the reality that this is why accountability matters so much so that the person who does take a page from trump's book, doesn't try it. because they know they'll be held accountable. they know they'll be prosecuted for trying to undermine an election in the future. and so it comes back to democrats having that exclusively on their soldier. so at this point republicans have said they're going to try to minimize january six or continue to spread trump slight because they are fully happy being and lined with trump at this point. but on voting rights, ali, that is exactly right. when you think about the fact that black and brown voters can't access the polls, young people can't access the polls, people with disabilities can access the polls, it cannot matter. it doesn't matter what issues our country is facing. it doesn't matter how much the gas prices are. it doesn't matter all these other things that impact our reality because our basic and our rights are being denied to. and i think that underlying issue, the underlying reality is something that should probe democrats. the threat to our democracy is clear and present. because it is. and failure to react to this moment will only allow for their snowballing. and for their home to be done to our democracy. because we know republicans aren't going to do anything. if any, think they are going to obstruct in the name of trump. because they truly think that they have the mid term sewn up because they have trump on their side. because they have the lies on their side. and with 70% of republicans at president they do not believe that biden was legitimately elected. 56% of republicans believe that would happen on january six was about protecting freedom and defending freedom. then it shows how deep-seated this is. and so protecting our basic rights is one of the most critical things democrats can do in this very moment. >> this is an important night to reflect upon our democracy. i wish i could spend the rest of it with the four of you. i learned so much tonight. peter baker, carol leonnig, juanita tolliver, and daniel goldman. thanks to all of. you coming up, we'll have the discussion about the current assault on democracy and the obstacle standing in the way of solving the problem. when the 11th hour continues. the 11th hour continues those of us trapped in the gallery, we lived it. ducking, crawling overruling,'s hands, knees, the sound the smell. we had a front row seat to what lies, hate or plano misinformation conjures. we went from victims to witnesses and today we are messengers. we reflect on the fact that january six was so much more than an effort to break into a building. it was an effort to break down our institutions. >> that was delaware congresswoman, understanding the broader implications on the attack on our nation's capital exactly one year ago today. back with us tonight is john freeman, history professor at yale university. her latest book is the field of blood. violence in congress and the road to civil war. also joining us is jonathan greenblatt, the ceo and national director of the anti-defamation league. his brand-new book out this week's, it could happen here, why america is tipping from hate to the unthinkable and how we can stop it. welcome to both of you, thank you for being with us. joe and, you and i spoke almost exactly a year ago and you said this to me. you said that we underestimated the power and meaning of this kind of rhetoric. this violent rhetoric coming from the president or members of congress had real power. and in the sense we've been normalized to agree that we just dismiss it as more of the same. we have heard a lot of violence and a lot of rhetoric in the last years. where do you think that we are today? >> well, that is an understatement isn't it? we heard a lot of rhetoric. i think part of where we are today is in a way in a state of denial. you know, a year ago when i was stunned at what i was seeing now i am stunned that the lack of a response. and some of that lack of a response has to do with what i am not hearing. in part but i'm not hearing from republicans as to what was obviously wrong. we had sort of a flash of a moment where there was recognition on the right that the events of january six were unacceptable. and then silenced. and on the other side, on the left, we now are getting some direct language from the president of the united states about the real danger apparent about what happened on january six. but the words that we use matters, as i was saying a year ago. that if you call it an insurrection or a riot or protests, it was not merely a protest. that matters. now, i think that it matters very much how we talk about would have been in relation to democracy. because i think fundamentally, even at this moment, even with all the the coverage of these events and so many pundits and commentators talking about the fact that this is a threat to our democracy, i don't think that a lot of people fundamentally understand what that means. and i don't think that they believe it. >> jonathan, you at the adl have done some research into the people who have been arrested and charged so far with respect to the insurrection last year. of the 727 people who have been arrested for the actions on january six, 21% have ties to right-wing extremist groups and ideologies. which is alarming. 79% have no overt time to extremist movements or ideologies. i am wondering which one of these numbers bothers you more? >> well that's a good question. to be honest, ali, both these numbers are frightening for two different reasons. first of all the idea that 20% of these people have alt-right white supremacist or ties to armed militia groups should terrify us. because for a long time these people were on the margins. now they have moved right into the mainstream. that they have found a way even since the insurrection, since the terror attack took a local. the localization of extremism deeply worries me because we have proud boys, oath keepers, three percenters, first amendment -- running for school board. and pushing to get involved in local elections. to undermine the system from within. so that is pretty terrifying. because they used to be in the shadows. now they're out in the limelight. and yet at the same time, to think that you could radicalize 4 to 5 people that literally a vast majority would feel so impassioned and enraged that they would storm the capital building an assault police officers with american flags as we see on the screen. carried the flag of the confederacy into our most hallowed building in its democracy is absolutely stunning. and look, this is why wrote the book. it could happen here, ali. because it could have been here. i think that we forget how fragile this democracy is. there's lots of examples in recent time. that i as a jewish push and, you as an own personal background. this can all unravel. faster than you think if you can hold tight into this social fabric of this country. >> our guests are staying with, us they both have important history on this issue that we are facing right now. coming, up how to deploy the lessons learned on january six in this mission to preserve democracy despite continued resistance from one political party. party. why not both? visibly diminish wrinkled skin in... crepe corrector lotion... only from gold bond. i'm 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lincoln dismissed the idea that a foreign power could stamp out american democracy. but there was another danger with ruminating over, americans themselves. we kind of think that once we passed the civil war americans themselves were not going to be our threat, but here we are in 2021, and now in 2022. and americans themselves still seem to be our most prominent threat. >> i think that it's true, ali. it is the greatest democracy that the world has ever known. it is the most robust and resilient nations seen in history. and yet it is indeed the threat within that worries me the most. in the last five years, we have seen a rise of hate and a normalization of extremism that really has no parallel in our 250 year history. we saw nearly a doubling of antisemitic hate crimes in the past in the few years. all triggered after the presidency of donald trump. and let's be honest, antisemitism, as you and i have discussed before, it's the canary in the coal mine. it starts with the jews, and it doesn't end with the jews. it's a sign of decay. and i would suggest that there are bookends to the rind from charlottesville, to pittsburgh, to el paso, to capitol hill. and to think that it requires moral courage for liz cheney to do what he's doing and i deeply admire her and i respect her leadership. but where are her peers. ali, there is nothing partisan from calling a prestigious. there is nothing patriotic in assaulting police officers. and again bringing down the doors and breaking down the windows of our capital. when did this become okay? where in the world do we find these people who would rationalize the images that you are seeing on your screen that was somehow dismissed as if they were just, quote unquote peaceful protests. you know, everyone should read the carl rove op-ed into these wall street journal. i don't agree with mr. wrote on many things. but to show and to find someone with the convictions to call out hate when it happens from his own team, right, originating from his own tribe. to date, that is the kind of profile in courage and we need more of that, ali. >> yes, for the first time ever i tweeted call rove article today because of that. professor freeman, you always say something that stays with me for a long time. and again, you've done it tonight where you say americans don't really register the fact that democracy itself may be imperiled. why not and how does that change? >> well, i think that the idea of american exceptionalism is so ingrained in us, we are taught from the earliest point that the united states is different from all over the country. that would happen southern countries won't have been here in the united states. that we are a special kind of democracy. that i think that people and thinking that we are somehow invincible. and that people are seeing it, in one way or another, it can have been here. it's kind of a shorthand version of. that which is that we aren't so exceptional that we can withstand this kind of erosion from within. so i think that americans are almost trained to not be able to believe the sort of thing. and along the lines of what we talked about before the last break, rhetoric is often dismissed as just rhetoric. it's just rhetoric. it just performance. it's just words. but as we have seen, as we are discussing now, the words lead to normalization which means to action. and that is where we are right now. what does that look like to jonathan? how do you change the? because you've been fighting this battle as it relates to prejudice on a lot of fronts. when you have to do to change peoples minds when they don't think the problem that you're articulating is really as serious as it may be? >> i deeply agree with my other guest. that is similar from the hala gas -- it starts with words. this is how it begins. and we need to take people seriously. they do what they say. they say what they mean. everything from president trump to the white supremacist, other extremists. to weaponize as she just said. we just dismiss it. or just rhetoric. no, rhetoric has consequences. i saw give you the thoughts on what i think needs to happen. and again when i read about the book. strategies and tips to how to deal with it. number one, we have to call out hate when it happens. we've got to pull this cheney and call out not what comes from the other side but from our own side. we have to have the courage and strength of character elie. to say yes, even when it originates from someone on my team it is a problem, okay. that is number one and we have to interrupt tolerance immediately ali. at the water room, even at the kitchen table. we are citizens need to do something about social media. one of the big reasons why we believe this happen is because of social media, media feeding the poison into our poison body politics. without any editorial guidelines. and i have to be very clear about this. they don't have the process that you do at msnbc. their algorithms are engineered to inflame. not inform. to drive clicks, not to communicate truth. and that is deeply damaging. and thirdly and finally we need to reinvest. reinvest in our civil society. volunteering. voting. showing up for school board meetings. not to scream at lunatic anti-vaxxer theories or spread wild conspiracies. but to participate and recognize the humanity in our fellow human beings. and that sounds glynn. but we too often retreat into our filter bought bulls and we need to break out and get into rebuilding our communities block by block. vote by vote. the biden. >> you have both left me feeling a little more positive than when we started the conversation. i'm so grateful to you both for the work that you have done for the words that you love winning and the efforts that you go to to try and preserve this democracy. dr. joanne freeman and jonathan greenblatt, i'm grateful to you. jonathan's new book is out this week it is called, it could happen here. why america's tipping from hate to the unthinkable 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president, not a military leader, we know that the civil war ended with emancipation secured in the union restored. we know that the allies won world war ii. but the people living through their time did not know that. so, they're living with the same anxiety that we're living through today. how will this fragile democracy which is under attack, today, resolve itself? and i guess that the hope that brings, is that we've come to these really tough times before. the hope is also that we're gonna be able to write the chapter of our story, just trigger ancestors, just like the ancestors of those stories. >> the thoughts of our dear friends, doris cohns goodwin, one of our two favorite historians, who led the discussion with members of congress. we'll hear from the other one, when the 11th hour continues. h hour continues ♪♪ for skin that never holds you back. don't settle for silver. #1 for diabetic dry skin #1 for psoriasis symptom relief and #1 for eczema symptom relief. gold bond. champion your skin. the last thing, before we go tonight. on this anniversary on the attack on capitol hill, just a few observations on the fragile state of our democracy. our friend jean meacham, the other mystery in the discussion with members of congress. is currently advising president biden, yet as he pointed out today, he's not a democrat, he's voted for both democrats and republicans. meacham even wrote, the seminal biography of this former george h. w. bush. with all that in mind, here's john meacham's view of where we might go, from here. >> we don't know. this is a chapter, it's not the end of the story. and, if it is the end of the story, then we have failed in a way, as a people, that the world will forever condemn. to lose this, as the song says, to lose this gift through selfishness and agreed for power, for an autocratic impulse, would be beyond tragic. i don't believe that is going to happen, but i believe we're as close to that as we've been as sumter. january 6th, it's not a wake up call, that's not the right way to put it, it's, as the president says, it's an inflection point. it's either a step on the way to the abyss, or it's a call to arms, figuratively, for citizens to engage and say no. we are more important, the work we are about is more important than the will and the win of a single man, or a single party, or a single interest. churchill once said that the futures are noble, but the path should give us hope's, it's just the present we have to get through. >> wise words from our friend jean meacham, and prime minister churchill, to take us off there tonight. that is our broadcast, for this thursday night. with our thanks for being with us, in our gratitude that america remains tonight, a democracy, imperfect though it is. on behalf of all my colleagues, and the networks of nbc news, goodnight. t. tonight, on all in. one year ago today, in this sacred place, democracy was attacked. >> one year later, the president attempts to rally nation. >> i will stand in this breach, i will defend this nation. i will allow no one to places stagger at the throat of democracy. >> tonight, when hi

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