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violence deepenned the political divide that is facing the country. and inaction, that day, and shortly house speaker nancy pelosi will make remarks followed by a moment of silence on the floor. fist, leanne caldwell joining me. they are all victims especially given what we heard from president biden? >> yeah, there is custodial staff, there is capital police officers. this is a critical emotional day for all of them. it is very sense up there. the only people commemorating this day are the democrats, except for liz cheney. and i think they're about to spar. >> for it's people. >> as compatriots we're too often separated by politics and on this anniversary of national discord and despair, send your healing spirit among us, and tend to the disspiritedness and disagreement here within and around the people us house. this day into your hands we commend our spirits of fear, anger, and uncertainty, and ask that you would revive in us our shared commitment to the county country's highest ideals. the strength, diversity, the strength, and the good. for them countless heros have sacrificed, remind us, inspire us, the aggrieved, the skeptical, the disenfranchised. all of us to hold true and remain worthy of this heritage. we offer the words of abraham lincoln that would would merm with mal lis toward none and charity for all. to bind up the nation's wounds. to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting piece among ourselves. restores this unity and moral purpose. inspire us to live lives ta serve as a witness to your restoration and reconciliation. we pray your peace over your people, in your sovereign name we pray, amen. pursuant to section 11a resolution 188, the last day's spreadings are approved. the pledge of allegiance will be lead by the gentleman from massachusetts. >> the chaplin that read that had taken office just three days before the riot. pursuant to section 4a, no legislative business will be conducted on this day, the chair will address the chamber. >> shoes that were in a violent insurrection as we acknowledge the who or of that day, we honor the heroism of so many, particularly the capital police. we had a session this morning where we could say thank you to many of them. unfortunately covid did not enable us to have the full house, and we'll have another time when the attending physician allows. but as we acknowledged the horror of that day in the face of extreme danger, they all risked their safety for our democracy by protecting the capitol complexion, staff, etc., and the press within safeguarding the ballots in those mahogany boxes. to make sure that we could honor our duty to the constitution and to our country. that day and the days after they were the defenders of the democracy and their courage and patriotism remain an inspiration. because of them congress was able to defeat the insurrection, to return that same not to make sure the peaceful chancer if of power took place one year later, the sacred space as we reflect on that darkest day, we remember that the insurrection sought not only to attack the building, but to under mind democracy itself. when the violent assault was made on the capital, they wanted to fwaurt the duty to value day-to-day the account. but the assault did not detur us from our duty, and the capital, a fellow citizens, we cannot escape history. we will be remembered in spite of ourselves. no personal significance can spare us one or another. we hold the power and we bear the responsibility lincoln said. and it is previous generations that leadership falsed they are continuing an assault on our democracy facing the integrity of our elections which are the basis of our democracy. let us be true to the vision of founders and made it a model for the world. let's honor the sacrifice of men and women in uniform to protect that freedom. remember our patriarch. president george washington when he drivered the constitution to the congress he said this, he said this constitution represents the reuation of a government that allows for the continuation of rigorous debate, but relies on the common sense and good faith of the american people to find the better angels of our nature. as we proceed let us find our common ground and reach our nation's heights with liberty and justice for all, remembering the words of our great patriarch and in the spirit that our chaplain referenced. let us acknowledge today, i want to acknowledge our foreign heros of that day. u.s. capitol police officer brian sicknick. officer jeffrey smith, officer billie evans. now i ask all members to rise for a moment of violence in their memory. >> thank you, pursuant the house stands adjourned unless 6:30 p.m. monday january 10th 2022. now let's turn to the remarks this morning by president biden, the most powerful and consequential speech to date about the big lie. a sering indictment never once mentioned president biden by name. and inactions and his ongoing string of falsehoods. erecting gallows to hang the vice president of the united states of america. what did we not see? we didn't see a former president that just rallied the mob to attack sitting in the private dining room off of the oval office in the white house watch pg it all on television and doing nothing for hours. the former president of the united states of america created a web of lies about the 2020 election. he has done so because he values power over principal. because he sees his own interests as more important than his country's interest and america's interest. and because his bruised ego matters more than our democracy our our constitution. he can't accept that he lost. he decided the only way for them to win was to suppress your vote and subvert our elections. it's wrong, it's undemocratic. it is un-american. the former president that lies about the election and the mob that attacked this capital could not be further away from the core american values. they want to rule or they will ruin. i did not seek this fight. brought to this capitol one year ago today. but i will not shrink from it, either. ly stand in this, not allow anyone to place a dagger at the throat of democracy. >> joining me now are two lawmakers that kept others safe throughout the insurrection one year ago. and virginia congresswoman abigail. i want to ask both of you, starting with congressman crow. did i get your reaction to what we heard from the president so far? >> the president got it exactly right. this is a threat to our democracy. this is about a former president that rallied the mob that tried to overturn a lawful and fair election because he did not like the result. he fuels an extremist movement, and this is a danger, not just an exercise in history today as we remember the fallen, as we remember 140 officer that's were brutally beaten in is about a current danger that our democracy faces and that's why it is so important. >> what does it mean to you to lay out so clearly the case against the big lie? >> i think it is incredibly important that every person, law marriage, citizen alike recognize the reason that we saw thousands of our people feeding teasing them with their own teasers, and we have seen more than 7,000 people charged with the offenses committed on that day, criminally. exercising our constitutional duty to certify an election. the reality and the and the certainty with which she came to the capitol to achieve that goal continues to horrify me and so many colleagues as long as we have individuals like the former president, like sitting members of congress. and the threat that and our democracy continues to be imperilled. >> let's go back to a year ago today. you were up in the gallery because of covid separation, not all of you could be on the floor, and you protected your fellow congress member susan wild. you were holding the hand. i think we have some pictures of that. up in the gallery, she is wearing red, a as you can see, calming her and others down. my own colleague and friends was the pool press representative up there what was going on for 20 minutes, you're a veteran, a military veteran. what was going through your head. there was a lot of things going through my head, first of all, most of us made the call. the call to family that none of us want to make. wondering if it is the last call that we would but it came back, and i had to put my emotions aside, put them in a box and set them aside, and do whatever i could to get us out of there to get us into a defensive position, take our pins off so we were not easily identifiable. it was a very tough situation to be in. it is one that a lot of people deal with. we have since lost. >> and congressman, i have to note, also, your bravery and kindness was so critical that day, you helped reporters find refuge when they were turned away from secure areas. >> those of us in the gallery, right along there with jason and the members of the press that were documenting that day, we made a hasty escape because of the men and women with the police. it was the day they were essentially stabilized. we were crouched down as they were working to defend us and when they were able to get the area secure, and we were able to make our way out of there. i would not and every american, those of that were there, that were crouched down b, and part of the horrors of that day, but everybody has the ability to know and as we saw, if you were proned on the ground with the police officers there working with us they continued to do their job and report, so my appreciation goes to you and your colleges that demonstrated this. and it is the realities and the horrors and the fear that was present for all of us. >> i was told that former vice president dick cheney that was a man of the house, even coauthored, but he returned to the floor today, but liz cheney, she spoke with savanna on "the today show" this morning about the former president and her republican colleagues. >> former president trump continues to make the same claims that he knows caused vie lens on january 6th. and it is very important if you look at what is happening today in my party and the republican party rather than reject what happened on the 6th, reject the them on the day. anyone that denies the truth of what happened, they ought to be ashamed of themselves. and history is watching and history will judge them. >> let me ask each of you briefly, what do you think about your fellow republicans, they're not there commemorating this today, and as well, many of them are still in denial or at least claiming to be in denial. >> there is certainly some republicans that are american patriots and they believe in the constitution and they're showing a great amount of courage to do so. and that is in kahn trast to most of their colleges. they are turning their back and they're more focused on donald trump. since the first day on this country they have turned their back and kept their oath. our democracy is about people. it's about people who are willing to stand up, fight for it, and defend it. that was the time to have a year of democracy in action to stand up, engage, and defend their democracy. >> i think what we continue to see is bravery and truth telling from some of our republican colleagues, particularly congresswoman cheney. she has demonstrated a fierce committee. they should tell the truth to their constituents. and she engages with us on policy, certainly, but when it comes to upholding, celebrating, and it is one of our fiercest defenders. and it is an unwillingness to have the hard conversations. an unwillingness to add milt that lie after lie, accepting conspiracy theories, or staying silent, led us to that day on january 6th. but for every colleague that was unwilling to denounce january 6th. they are creating a foundation where a democracy continues to be. >> congresswoman thank you both so much. i wish you well today. reflections, memories, and considerable terror that day. >> we have a lot to come this hour including more from jamie raskin and adam kinsinger. why didn't others listen? the former dc chief of homeland security is joining me next. ho security is joining me next. 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partners and we saw a lot of concerning information that it indicating that individuals would be coming to washington dc intent on causing harm. >> how concerned were the federal agencies that the fbi, for instance, drs, about these threats and before the attack. >> we were extremely concerned and there is a dichotomy here in which we were concerned, we took that information, and that has been born out in my dukts and testimony. for the first time in my career is it seems like the local authorities were more prepared than the federal authorities. we were prepared to provide backup and support and did you sense that they were mobilized properly? >> i didn't see any of that. none of that investigation was shared, and once again in meetings there was a lot of meetings going around the inauguration. and they are looking at threats and none of it was really germane or specific to jan 6th. so they're raising as many alarms as they could. >> there is a lot of criticism going back a year and the aftermaths for the homeland security secretary, and he said that day should have been declared a national security event. then there would have been a lot of federal forces standing by not to be called they would have been here on the hill. >> we're use to dealing with large scalivities on a regular lar basis. what having a national special security event allows for is them to be prepared and that was not declared on that day that is with the authority that they will organize under it. and hopefully they will take that lis son learned and look for future incidents. >> a failure coto use the intelligence, and thank you so much for our expertise. >> thank you. >> a year after the insurrection, hundreds of those that took part in the riot have been clarked and what lead up to the attack is you shalling deeper. what about the higher ups? joining us now is our white house correspondent. chuck rosenburg, senior fbi official, also host of the oath podcast. welcome, all. we heard from president biden as we have never heard from him before. calling out his prez ses tor. he spoke as clearly as anyone could about the fact that the republicans are calling into question the presidential election, and other office holders and the state and office, and he is saying believe your eyes. >> that's right, andrea. this was a stunning rebuke of the former president trump and he set out to make sure it was clear that he exposed this lie and he also wanted to make it clear that he wanted to use the words that former president trump has been cowering from. defeat, failure, and loss. and he wanted to make sure and he said you can't love your country only when you win. he said that we all need to understand that the very existence of american democracy was at stake. and white house officials said they wanted to make this opponented, but also not only about the future, but also the past and and what has happened. stephanie was coming in nightly and take a listen to how she described former president trump's actions that day. >> all i know about that day is he was in the dining room watching as he often did, look at all of the people fighting for me, hitting rewind, watching it again, that's what i know. >> how significant is that? to the hill, in terms of the law, let's say. of his not doing his job as the capitol is being attacked? >> that is probably more of a political argument. gleefully watching tv is not a crime. he is feign and vulgar, also not a crime. the way you build cases is lots of stefanie grisham. that may not have been important, but she may have evidence that is. the way you build cases is by talking to hundreds and hundreds of witnesses, and the congressional committee has been doing, by subpoenaing lots of documents. the attorney general said that law enforcement had 300,000 tips, they issued thousands of subpoenas, they have more than 140,000 prosecutors on the case. nearly every field office in the nation is engaged and that's how you build hard cases. >> if that's hard, and specifically also against the people assaulting the capitol. but clearly according to a lot of new evidence what mark meadows was doing, it was very widespread plan including people in the justice department. let's play what merrick garland had to say yesterday. >> to ensure all of those generally responsible are held accountable we must collect the evidence. we follow the fid kag evidence. we follow the digital evidence, we follow the money. those involved must be held accountable. and there is no higher priority for us. >> what did you near that? they did not hear that they were going after the political players, but maybe you're hearing something different? >> i thought it was important that the attorney general come out and say it. for the critics and the media, they were called unfair to give him space and time. that's the statement that you expect them to make about broad, complexion, widespread investigations. i believe if they have evidence, it's not a violation of hisoath of office, i believe that he would not hesitate to destruct prosecutors to bring questions against him. the bigger question that you eluded to at the outset here is not if you separate violence, if you take away the next sus to violence are all of the actions by the former president and those around him, others, to try to overturn an election, not just to contest an election, but to actually overturn that? is that a crime as defined in the u.s. criminal code? we don't know the answer to that yet. and i would like to hear one more question and it is that exact question. >> just very briefly do you agree? >> i do agree the words are what you expect to hear from an ag, i'm glad they're doing an investigation, they have to follow the facts and they will hold the facts. >> thank you all so much. an unthinkable trap in the capital separated during the seeing. congressman jamie raskin and member of the january 6th committee. and member adam kinsinger. adam. 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if you look closely there on the floor, with her back now to you, introducing her father, the vice president, to nancy pelosi, it is take your father to workday for liz cheney. that is liz cheney in red, nancy pelosi, and the former vice president visiting a place where he served for years and years as a house member before he became defense secretary in 1989 in the first bush administration. a very partisan day, and liz cheney and her father, a former vice president and mrz congressman jamie lastkin was on the house floor to start certifying the presidential election just the day before. they buried their son, tommy, very losing him to suicide. his return to work prompted an emotional outpooring of support from his colleagues. >> i want to thank you first and all my deer beloved colleges for your love and tenderness that my family and i will never forget. >> moments later the rioters breached the u.s. capitol. separated from his son and daughter that day. they came to capitol hill that came with a peaceful transfer of power. >> his new book is called unthinkable. trauma, truth, and the trials of american democracy. it is such a powerful testament to what the nation has been through and i can't imagine today a year later your emotions. you have been through hell and back and i'm sure it is all very raw. that day, you thought that the support of your colleagues was the postimportant thing you would see that day and it all went off the rails. talk to me about your feelings as the rioters breached the capital. >> we didn't know the full extent of the violence that was taking place outside. when we heard there was a breach it sounded like something that maybe just three or four people snuck in and that would be bad enough. i always assumed that someone who ran into congress without going to metal detectors, we had no ideas there was eight or nine different breaches in the door ways and different windows and storm the capitol and lay siege to the capitol. so it was a harrowing sequence of events. i was most worried about my son and daughter-in-law. they were taking shelter in this room off of the house chamber that had been provided been steny hoyer. they locked themselves into that room. they barricaded the door with furniture and they hid under the desk as people were pounded on the door and they were chanting "hang mike pence." moments later after we were told to take out our gas masks, that we didn't know that we had, after an hour of new house chaplin gave a prayer for safety and i saw colleagues in the gallery that were struggling to get to safety crawling from the democratic side of the chamber, and one of them told me they thought they would be safer over there in the event that the government arrived with an ar-15 or something like that. that is what was going through a lot of our minds at that the moment. we're used to gun violence erupting in a situation leek this. but in any event we were escorted to safety on the house side and we were able to get tabitha and hank out. so i'm honoring the police officer that's were able to get them out. but the fire extinguishers, spraying them in the face with mace and unknown chemical toxins, but to 150 officers being wounded or injured, many of them still suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder. we spoke to a number of cop that's were afghan and iraqi war vets that had never seen anything like they experienced on january 6th. >> i have been doing reporting on that very subject speaking to officers. so now how do you handle your own emotions, our condolences to you and your whole family, but also your emotions about the country after the impeachment. how do you get people in the short time you have left, how do you get people to combat the drum beat of lives. >> and a perfect, millions of families, and some at covid-19, you name it, and but you have to begin with the truth. my dad used to say that democracy needs a ground to stand on and that ground is the truth. and maybe a year ago, but if we can acknowledge the truth of it, we can move on to what is so great about america, which is still the world's greatest multicultural, multiracial, multiethic constitutional democracy and what makes us great is that we're always willing to be fighting for a more perfect union. so we could use that to fortify our democratic institutions. >> thank you, we honor you, we honor tommy, your whole family, and the other victims been going on in our society. thank you so much. >> thank you. and the congressman's fight to defend the democracy -- defend democracy in general will be highlighted in the upcoming msnbc film "love and the constitution" premiering sunday february 6th at 10:00 eastern right here on msnbc. one year after the insurrection the nation is even more divided than before. 70% of republicans don't believe that joe biden is the legitimate president and more than 40% of all americans still don't believe that joe biden legitimately won the election. the big lie has taken hold on social media, on some u.s. networks and disinformation spread which foreign adversaries. one republican member of the january 6th committee says the nation and his own party are in a worse place now than this time last year. joining me now republican congressman adam kinzinger, a member of the january 6th select committee. congressman, thank you so much for being with us. as you reflect on what happened a year ago today, what do you think is the most important lesson we've learned? >> the most important lesson -- actually, as i listened to jamie raskin -- is truth. in order to have self-governance we have to have a basic compact between the furthest left and the furthest right, which is you go and vote, your vote will count and the election results will be the election results and if you lose you go out and try to convince more people of your side. when conspiracy infects truth and when identity becomes built not around the community you live in, not around your faith, your identity becomes built by your political affiliation, you know, nobody wants to lose their identity, and now all of a sudden you have these lies that have to exist, particularly as republicans, to stay republican, self-governance can't survive in that. it's a disappointing day for me, it's a day where i'm a little pessimistic, optimistic in the long term, but i'm doubling down my efforts to get to the truth because that's what's going to save everything. >> how close do you think we came to having the democracy collapse? >> i think we came pretty close, honestly. i mean, you can think about any number of things that would have happened that could have changed that, and i will just take a quick example. you know, a clerk in the senate basically grabbed the original ballots as they were evacuating the senate. had that person not done that and those ballots been burned, torn, stolen, anything like that, in theory the electoral count act says you can only count the original ballots so you would have to go back to some of those states to recertify and you could have seen what happened then. regardless of how close we came or didn't come, january 6th was a dry run for january of 2024 and that's why i think reforming the electoral count act is going to be essential and telling the truth, bottom line, will be the most essential. >> what about voting rights, more broadly, as chuck schumer is emphasizing? >> look, you know, i'm open to voting for them this time. i think we've gotten to a point where i haven't seen any movement from my party or otherwise. the john lewis voting rights act has really nothing to do with january 6th it's all about federal pre clearance and an issue that the supreme court threw out nine years ago. i hope we can get to a compromise on that. i believe we have to protect people's right to vote, we need to make sure people can vote and we need to count those votes and understand that the results are fair. >> now, as a member of the select committee what have you learned about the 187 minutes when president trump was watching television and not -- not delivering a video appeal, not going a few steps to the briefing room and calling people off? >> well, what we have learned i can't get out -- i don't want to get out in front of the committee on releasing what we don't know, you know, we will hopefully know, but think about this, regardless, let's just take that from a 10,000 foot view, for 180 some minutes the president is watching tv. he was doing one of two things, he was either gleeful -- or both -- he was abdicating his responsibility to protect and defend the constitution, specifically article 1 branch of the constitution, congress. at the best case scenario for the former president he was extremely incompetent, at the worst-case scenario he was part of this whole process and that's what the january 6th committee wants to get to the bottom of. regardless of whether we change anybody's minds who has made their decision and find their political identity -- or find their personal identity in their political affiliation, it is important for the history books to accurately record what happened so that we can look back on that moment with shame. >> if you make a criminal referral to the justice department, are you confident that merrick garland will act on going after some of the higher ups, including the former president? >> you know, i hope so. that's all i can say. we would expect that the justice department would, the steve bannon indictment is a good sign, obviously we're waiting to see anything on meadows, et cetera. but i feel fairly confident that if we have criminal evidence of criminal wrongdoing and send that to doj, they would take that very seriously. i would certainly hope so. >> and your own plans? i know you're not going to seek reelection. >> yeah, i mean, look, i will have been in congress for 12 years, i'm excited about a movement i've launched called country first, country 1 st.com where i'm going to focus on countering disinformation, convincing people the importance of voting in primaries particularly if you are in a district represented by some crazy authoritarian-type person. only 10% of americans are really the ones involved in selecting their congress person. that has to change. so i'm excited about the fight to come. and i won't have to be hindered by the day to day of the house. >> well, thank you, again, congressman kinzinger. i hope you will come back and talk to us as the committee continues to do its work. very much appreciate it. >> you bet. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." chuck todd has more on "mtp daily" after a short break. i will be joining chuck and katy tur this afternoon as msnbc's special coverage of the attack on the capitol and the proceedings on capitol hill continue at 1:00 is chuck todd and then 2:00 we will all be together again to talk about what we experienced when we were anchoring together 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