chief of staff mark meadows engulfing more and more republicans. new confirmation that congressman jim jordan was one of them. his office confirming the message you're about to see was authentic. vice president pence should call out all the electoral votes that rebelieves are unconstitutional. jordan basically says, and this may sound familiar, it's not something he was endorendorsing. he was considering this. consider this the retweet defense in this era of coup-by-text, by powerpoint, by communications online. it's going down in the dms. what's going down may have been a crime. it's a bombshell that further ties mark meadows into the problems he has as he was just hit with the contempt vote. that means the justice department now will have to decide whether to indict mr. meadows as they did mr. bannon. liz cheney and adam kinzinger are the only republicans that went along with the majority in the house, being comprised of democrats, to hold meadows in contempt for defying the committee. meadows and a member of congress talking a day after the election. >> on november 4th, a member of this body wrote to meadows, here's an aggressive strategy, one day after the election. why can't the states of georgia, north carolina, pennsylvania and other republican-controlled statehouses declare this is bs where conflicts and action not called that night and just send their own electors to vote and have it go to the scotus. >> that's congressman raskin walking through some of the messages. you can see they put the text up there. this is often the case in government. this is why c-span only takes you so far. that was just the dry reading of the evidence. we understand by people in government try to keep it very measured. let me tell you what that was, though. that was the seeds of the coup. they failed, but the coup efforts were coming from inside the government, not just the executive branch where trump tried and the military and others protested, but also from congress, this other coequal branch. we're seeing the outline which, remember, in november were not clear. these republicans who were talking this way, they knew how bad it was. they weren't, most of them, publicly admitting then what their texts show. they were in on part of this, looking for ways to overthrow the election, saying yes, biden won enough states to be elected, but they would put in fraudulent electors to see if that could get them a hail mary before the supreme court. as time went on, it got worse. another member of congress texting meadows three days before the insurrection. >> in one text message to a lawmaker, mr. meadows wrote, he -- he presumably being president trump, he thinks the legislatures have the power, but the vp has power, too, end quote. the power to do what? the power to reject the will of the voters. and days later a violent mob tried to get vice president pence to do just that. >> sometimes my job is to explain news, facts or the law. let me just be very clear because these are new texts. this matters. it's about accountability. what you just heard is one of the dumbest, most embarrassing legal theories about a democracy anyone could ever come up with, i'm not going to treat it any more respectfully than it deserves, duh, if you can cancel elections by incumbents just saying, no, i win, you wouldn't have democracy. shrouded in the text and the talk of who has the legal power is something much dumber and much more authoritarian, whether the executive branch, i don't care if it's the president or the vice president nominally oversees the senate, it's whether the executive cancels elections and says no, we need anyway, and then it's not an election and you've lost your democracy. meanwhile, another text message shows communications with then president trump while trying to get an illegal outcome in georgia to make up votes and reverse the biden victory there. a government official told meadows, need to end this call, i don't think it will be productive for much longer. those are fellow republicans talking to each other. that's their way of hitting the panic button. not productive, or in this case evidence ha is now sitting before the criminal grand jury that's also looking into donald trump in that state. then you have the fox news hosts who were actually more truthful in private than they are in public to their own viewers. now after silence, two of the anchors, busted by their own texts trying to push out some sort of response. >> what's really going on with liz cheney and the media? >> text messages, let us look at your text messages. >> i actually don't care to read any of their text messages because they're aggressively boring. both privately and publicly i said what i believed, that the breach of the capitol on january 6th was a terrible thing. >> i said to mark meadows the exact same thing i was saying live on the radio at that time and on tv. >> that is misleading at best. we have shown and people are familiar are how much those individuals have said the opposite in public of what hey said in private. add ms. igraham, oh, her critics in government have boring texts. most people would prefer boring to coup supporting in public while publicly saying let's stop the violent insurrection and coup. right now you're seeing the outlines of why so many people involved in this were actually afraid of this committee, there's always an urge in life, in politics and media to move on to the next thing. you're over of it. you're tired of it. this probe is gathering information. whether it leads to accountability is up to congress and the public. people know a lot more about who was doing bad things, things they're now on defense about, during the sometime when people were trying to end american democracy. let's bring in our experts, nyu professor millicent murray and "new york times" emily babylon. emily, your thoughts on all of the above? >> i think it's really important, as you keep emphasizing, this is new evidence, new pieces of information that certainly would have played a role to impeach president trump if those facts had been known at the time. the most important part to me is the part that implicates meadows, trump's close adviser at the time, and obviously members of congress. you see this in-the-moment urgent concerned response to january 6th, but also previously this set of assumptions that it's possible to overturn an election by simply declaring the electors from a particular state somehow -- some disorder, some made-up idea that that's not the legitimate election, and then vice president -- former vice president pence can come in and declare a different result. the degree to which that notion was being talked about, bandied about, posed by people serving in congress, that seems to me to be quite striking and even striking. >> professor? >> i want to follow up on something that emily said. i think it seems like the earlier texts show a coup in progress, a lot of support for this discredited john eastman theory of discrediting and getting over on the voters by decertifying the election. then it seems like they have this change of heart. almost like that show "family matters" when jalil white steps in as erckal and says, did i do that? they're actually alarmed by what happened. to me what is the most shocking and surprising aspect of this is how they thought every branch of the federal government was in the bag for them, not just the executive, not just congress, but also the supreme court. that text that jamie raskin read talked about, we just have to get this out of congress and before the supreme court. the obvious implication was that this court, newly concentrated with three trump appointees, will do it to us. >> emily, the professor beat you to the erckal reference? >> what am i going to do about that? melissa wins that battle. just to continue with this line of thinking, the idea that there is such a partisan concept of who controls the government, that it doesn't matter who actually won, that these initial discredited reports of somehow these elections aren't val it, even the number of states that were in play. i think at the time one was thinking, well, six states that trump would need to somehow post election flip. they can't really be serious about imagining that in six states the results are somehow illegitimate. but it sounds like they really were. that's what makes me think about this was just about taking the election for the republican party without a real sense for what was at stake for american democracy. >> professor, how do you teach constitutional law and these issues today when there is one party that has authoritarian support and its leadership on the record in private and now increasingly in public? >> i've said before, the best thing the trump administration did, and it's unfortunate this was the best thing, is that it provided all these incredible true-to-life, dripped from the headlines that law professors can give to their classes. we're seeing a constitutional crisis, over and over again in various iterations. again, we have to think about how this plays out at every level of government. we have a midterm election coming up in november of 2022 where control of the house of representatives will certainly be at stake. and everyone understands that, and one of the reasons why i think the republicans are fighting so hard for the house is because they don't want any more of this to come out. if the control of the house flips, this commission goes away. >> and this commission is already digging up a lot. emily, we talk about the role of the lies and the propaganda because that's central to getting the people there and that's part of this. it's not that all the crazy conspiracy theories need to add up to a fact-finder or the general public. i think underestimating it, not taking it seriously and as the debate went during the trump era has clearly been proven to be a mistake. we've also talked about unreliable or questionable messengers. bill o'reilly is certainly that, but he did say something that we want to quote about what has become of fox news which, again, in the face of a violent terror attack on the government itself of the united states, has been minimizing that and at times siding directly with the insurrectionists, which is wild. i want to show mr. o'reilly believes that's a change that wouldn't have happened previously. take a look. >> i'll tell you fox news is a different place than it was when i was there. i don't know -- i don't follow it that closely anymore, but when i was there there was a discipline from management that diminishing the capitol riot could never have happened. >> amily, there was a lot of talk about government rules and norms in the trump era, but it seems as a hand maiden to this when the issue is propaganda and getting what is now, according to some polls, a majority of republicans to believe the lie that joe biden didn't win when he did, it seems these other spheres matter. and some of the recklessness of the internet combined by social media companies, which we have more on later to nierkts and the complete breakdown of fox news seems to be relevant. historians may look at that as part of an authoritarian problem or do you disagree? >> no. i think it's really interesting to see how when somebody like bill o'reilly kind of gets off the plane, which is what we're seeing in that clip. 60% of republicans think the election was stolen. that has to do with the messages they've gotten from republican leaders, like the ones whose text messages we were reading from former president trump, but also right wing media outlets. there is a loop going on there. what really matters, and melissa pointed to this, there is a small window for congress to make election law more secure. that's especially important given the moves we've seen some states make in the opposite direction to give control of the mechanics of the election of who deserve as winner to more partisan actors in republican-dominated states. if that is something that congress doesn't take on and then we have a kind of crisis in 2022 or more likely 2024, this is going to look like the window of an incredibly important, missed opportunity. >> really important. emily and melissa, thanks to both of you. let me tell everyone what we have coming up. this is a special edition of "the beat." an update on how biden spending is working. james carville here to talk about that and why they're talking about a timeline for the next round. what if the self described grim reaper isn't all that he's cracked up to be? 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>> what's that? >> you speak english. >> i try as best i can. it's an accent. >> here's the question. in english, what did this biden federal spending do for people this year? >> it lifted people out of poverty. it helped create jobs, gave people a sense. it gave hourly workers more power and more say over their lives than they've had at any time in recent memory. we've got to remember that. we have people that feel confident enough in this economy that if they've got a bad job or being harassed on the job, they can quit and find another job. that is a major accomplishment. that is something to be celebrated. that is something that did not happen a year ago. we should be thankful for these things. of course we've got to worry about inflation. of course we've got to worry about other issues around the world. when i look back on 2021, we've had some remarkably good things happen. we don't need to keep it a secret. when you frame this an issue, do you want to go forward in 2022 or go back to how you were living in 2020? i think that's a choice people have to make. remind people of what life was like a year ago, it was quite worse than it is now. of course, we've got the omicron variant. i'm not sitting here being a pollyanna. i'm saying this administration, this country has racked up some major accomplishments in the past year and we've got to start taking credit for it and telling people about it, because they can feel it. i guarantee you, these kids that go to bed with a full stomach as opposed to being hungry, they may not be able to vote for you, but they appreciate it. we'll really appreciate ten, 12 years from now, much more likely to get an education, less likely to get into crime. this is the major thing that explodes out from the present day. >> we mention that because that matters -- i don't mention that as a left, right, them, our thing. that's just society and what we learn about investment, what's humanitarian and, as we touched on, the long-term benefits of that. before i lose you, i would not have time with james carville without making sure people got to hear your take on fox news tieing themself up in knots over what was. i don't use this word every night on my show because i try to be as measured as possible, but over what were now busted lies, because they told on themselves, the evidence caught them up on the insurrection. geraldo, interestingly, pushing on hannity a little bit, remember even what you said that day because now everybody knows. take a look. >> i beg you, sean, to remember the frame of mind you were in when you wrote that text on january 6th and when laura did, why didn't he say something. >> the point is he did. >> you saw unfolding before your very eyes an attack on democracy. >> let me give it to dan. >> an attack on the constitution, on the capitol of the united states of america. >> he said peacefully, and then he did do it -- >> james, there you have it. one person who works for fox putting the other on blast saying, hey, everyone read your text and sean's response is let's go to the other guest. >> a massive criminal act, the people who penetrated that capitol were criminals. the people who helped them penetrate the capitol were lawyers. you're a lawyer, you know this. if i drive the getaway car or case the place out, i'm as guilty as the trigger man. that's the way the law operates. they'll find that members of congress were behind this, the administration was behind it. we have to remember this was a massive criminal attack. it wasn't just an assault on the temple of democracy or whatever we say. these were criminals in that building and these were people on fox aiding and abetting criminality criminality. that's not a good thing. i hope they stay very, very aggressive and expose these criminals and the people that supported them to the very extent they possibly can, and we're going to find out a lot, a whole lot. strap in, people. strap in. >> there you have it. >> yes, sir. >> strap in. james carville said it. strap in. again, thank you for joining us on more than one topic and happy holidays, sir. >> always happy to do it, ari. remember, the getaway car driver, the guy that cased the joint is just as guilty as the people that went in the n baaing. never forget that. that's the law. >> it's called felony murder for a reason. it mean even if you didn't do the strangling, if you committed a felony, you can be held accountable. they were trying to murder democracy literally. i appreciate your attention to that and plain spokenness as always. >> yes, sir. >> absolutely. coming up, we have a very special guest. who does obama turn to for tech insight? 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what is the fight for? not just against, what is it for? two things, we've got to pass the john lewis voting rights advancement act, and we've got to pass the freedom to vote act because we need the tools to be able to fight against what these states are trying to do. >> meanwhile ted cruz has been pushing a debunked claim about voter fraud which is false. when there has been voter fraud, it's republicans that have actually been caught. the headline today, three people in florida arrested forecasting more than one ballot, all three registered republicans. the nevada republican also claiming someone voted with his deceased wife's ballot. but the person he was telling on was himself. in ohio, also a deceased father's signature on the ballot, but it was a republican official who pushed that. in pennsylvania, we saw the same trick. but overall, although these cases are rare and make some republicans look silly for vamping this, actual voting fraud is rare. the a.p. finds the rate in battleground states was 0.0018. so politicians talk about protecting the vote when often what they're trying to do is use lies about fraud to justify the crackdown z as we've shown linked to an effort to prepare for another coup. as james carville would say, and i just learned this tonight, strap in and pay attention. when we come back, we have a lot more in the program including obama's former tech adviser weighing in on the problem with mark zuckerberg's social media companies and time's person of the year, elon musk, what he said is important about that green innovator and much more. eric schmidt when we come back. and how important it is to know who you are and to know where you came from. doesn't that look like your papa? 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>> from a national security perspective, it will transform it. we're not ready for the revolution, and the revolution is at the scale of the age of reason that's how profound ai is going to be in our society. >> one of the larger concerns is that, if you mix this sort of self-perpetuating or self-improving system, its information or its processing, with some sort of vaguely-stated creation, it can then eventually just do things on its own. how real is that, or how much of that is just from our movies? >> well, at the moment it's from movies. today the important thing about ai is it does not have its own volition. it still requires humans to tell it what to look for. in other words, it doesn't have its own independent creative judgment. it can't say i want to go study physics or i want to do art it can be told to do physics or art but can't decide it on its own. many people think we will cross that boundary at the point when the system can decide what it wants to work on, it's a whole new ball game. >> most of your background is in technology and the sort of -- initially startup or early tech space, a lot of your peers are very proud of those results and tend to be quite dissis sive of government or public sector or other older models. i'm curious your take on that, and specifically is there anything positive that you saw working through bureaucracies or with the defense department as compared to the tech and business space? or do you stay in that group that says, hey, it works a lot faster and better on the private sector side? >> in my five years working for the defense department, i developed an extraordinary respect for what i view as real heroes of our nation. i also developed an enormous distaste for the system that was erected around them, where they have very little freedom. they have very little opportunity to really drive things. the notion of innovation is sort of counter to the way their system was designed and they're stuck in it. they're not allowed to run the way we run. they're not allowed to run quickly, to inknow investigate, to take risks. we have to be willing to put really competent people in charge and let them run and let them make mistakes. if you make a mistake in a government, you get fired. if you do nothing, you don't get fired. >> i mentioned barack obama. you actually interviewed him when he was a candidate before becoming president. let's take a quick look. >> senator, you're here at google, and i like to think of the presidency as a job interview. it's also hard to get a job at google. >> and obviously google is a symbol of one sector of our economy that's just been extraordinary, innovative, creative and lucrative. but there's a whole nother part of america that has been left behind. >> what did you learn about him? what do you think of his on going concern about a digital divide? and how does he stack on tech compared to the two presidents who came after? >> well, i had the privilege of serving as a presidential science adviser under president obama, so my biases should be very clear. that president, president obama, understood the opportunity of essentially agility of technology. he understood what we were doing at a level that is truly extraordinary. that's because he's such a gifted man. with respect to the digital divide, i say to my colleagues, you're so good at building systems that do a, b, c. we tend to be the ones that are privileged, that got into the best schools and got the best opportunities. what about everyone else? the president, president obama, cared a great deal about that. >> google provides a lot of value to people around the world, including those who may not have very much if they can access it. social media, which is very profitable and ubiquitous seems to be a little bit more of an entertaining distraction. do you think it provides the same value at this point in tech? >> it may in the future. i'm not sure it does today. the issue with social media is roughly the following. social media, these are businesses and their job is to maximize share shoulder return and revenue. the best way to maximize revenue is maximize engagement. the best way to maximize engagement in social media is with outrage, literally outrage, on the left or the right. thesis stems naturally push you to the extremes. they do so for engagement reason, not for a moral or social reason. that problem is an unsolved problem. we no ed to address it. we need to figure out a way so these people can be profitable companies without driving us insane. and furthermore, i will tell you that ai is going to make this much worse. if i were sort of an evil founder type, which hopefully i'm not, what i would do is build a social network that knew so much about you, by getting you to give me that information, that i could target the information precisely to your personal biases, political beliefs and literally duplicitous strategies. that would maximize my revenue, but it would terrify the world. that's not how human societies work. >> it's fascinating and horrifying as you lay it out. i hope people understand what you're saying and the expertise behind it, and on facebook, their vision of a more immersive virtual digital experience, whether that's their meta brand or some other type, looks to you as a probable future reality or unlikely? >> i think it's highly likely, and it's usually not in the way that people like me describe it when you start. but the important point is, will you stop spending your day looking around the room and instead spend your day looking at a screen in a world where you and your friends are younger, smarter, more beautiful, more handsome, faster and more consumed. will there be drama that's causes you -- if we create a world that's so seductive that people stop doing the essential things we need humans to do which starts with having children, making families and all that, that's a big change in our society. that technology is coming. we don't understand -- let me say it precisely. we did not understand when we started the social media activities the level of impact it would have on governments and on people and in particular manipulating people against objectives of one person or another through amplification, crisis, so forth and so on. we just didn't understand it. i don't want us to make the same mistake with ai. i want us to have teams that are more than just computer scientists. i want ethicists. i want economists. i want biologists. i want all the people of civil society to work on what are the right ethics for thesis stems. one ethic is what we're really trying to do is educate the world. another one is we're trying to entertain the world. at the moment what we're doing, what they are doing collectively is they're busy confusing the world. the incentives are not inly is confuing the world because incentives aren't an alignment. the more money they make the more they drive people crazy. we got to get that fixed. >> lightning round is something we ask people to do. it's in a word or sentence so you can go longer if you need. bill gates. >> brilliant. >> steve jobs? >> even more brilliant. of all of the people that i have worked with, steve is the one that is the greatest sort of human achievement and loss of all because of his early death. the fact that he could invent and see the world at such a young age is extraordinary. he's missed every day. >> mark zuckerberg? >> i worry with mark that he learned the lessons from bill gates and others about the pursuit of his corporation and he forgot some of these other principles. we'll see. >> elon musk? >> maybe more brilliant than all of them combined. if you look what elon did, he took enormous risks in a business that required billions of dollars of capital, and remember when tesla was near bankruptcy and now it's an extraordinary near trillion dollar corporation, very, very few people in my entire life have been able to combine that amount of risk tolerance as well as technology brilliance. it's very rare to have both. >> finally, a couple sentences. the wildest thing about this super successful widely believed to be intelligent person eric schmidt. the wildest thing about you people would be surprised by? >> i go every year. >> failure means? >> in my world failure means put your pants on the next morning and start again. >> success means? >> more success. people who are successful tend to create success around them. they do so because of a uniquely human aspect such as drive, charisma and luck. >> finally, reaching the summit means? >> there is a point when you're successful when you realize that you're at the top and i don't mean the tiptop, i mean that the people that you're with are also winners. it is incredibly satisfying when you are successful at the summit to realize that there is other summits and hanging out with the other sumiteers is fun. >> you've been genius with your time. we've learned a lot. thank you for joining me on the summit series. >> thank you, a rirks. i look forward to seeing this and seeing you soon. >> appreciate it. >> our thanks to the ceo of "google public." his book "the age of a.i." while your heard warnings about democracy and lessons from working for president obama, this is part of the summit series so the full interview is on youtube. go to @thebeatwithari. we're back with the highest barrier broken at the nypd. r brd vicks sinex. instantly clear everyday congestion. and try vicks sinex children's saline. safe and gentle relief for children's noses. ♪♪ fresh flavors... classic dishes... ♪♪ and a new seat at the table. ♪♪ ♪ baby got back by sir mix-a-lot ♪ unlimited cashback match... and a new seat at the table. only from discover. people, with quickbooks live someone else will do your books for you. they'll even pair you with an expert bookkeeper like me, who knows your business. knows your business! expert bookkeepers who understand your business. intuit quickbooks live bookkeeping. bye mom. my helpers abound, i'll need you today. our sleigh is now ready, let's get on our way. a mountain of toys to fulfill many wishes. must be carried across all roads and all bridges. and when everyone is smiling and having their fun i can turn my sleigh north because my job here is done. it's not magic that makes more holiday deliveries to homes in the us than anyone else, it's the hardworking people of the united states postal service. trelegy for copd. 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"the new york times" reported with experts saying that the factors driving this rising homicide rate include the pandemic and an alleged pull back by police and criticism and a surge in firearm carrying. now, it may sound logical u.s. murders may be linked to firearms but the same article notes in 2020 there were more homicides linked to guns, 77% than ever before. it's something many americans are living through now and we'll update you tonight on the latest facts and we will stay on the story. thanks for watching "the beat." "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. >> fascinating information. thank you very much. have a great evening. good evening, everyone. we have a lot to get to tonight including the latest on the january 6th investigation following last night's house contempt vote against mark meadows. in a little while, i'll talk with mary trump about the pathology of people like meadows who are seemingly willing to give up everything to show fealty to her uncle and later in the hour i'll be joined by senator elizabeth warren who today called for expanding the size of the supreme court in response to the

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