>> after the show. thank you very much. have a wonderful evening. good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" with the latest signs of let's be blunt, utter republican moral decline and the consequences for trump's former chief of staff mark meadows after he declared yesterday he will no longer cooperate with the january 6th investigation. meadows again refused to show up for his deposition which was scheduled at his request and was supposed to take place today. and unbelievably late today, meadows filed a civil rights lawsuit against the members of the january 6th committee as well as speaker nancy pelosi. according to his suit, he's seeking to invalidate and prohibit the enforcement of too overly broad subpoenas that and meadows claims senior executive officials are immune including former officials like him. it is the latest delay tactic in his long flirtation with the select committee, an on again off again that meadows is using to drag out for almost three months this investigation and no surprise, he's also hiding behind claims of executive privilege. >> the president has claimed executive privilege. i'm going to honor that. i'm not going to be the first chief of staff to actually waive that. it's not mine to waive. >> meadows is right on one count. it's not his privilege to waive. biden is the president and he's already waived executive privilege for the testimony of other trump administration officials. what we're really watching is a pathetic attempt to get back into the good graces of his former boss because trump is angry for revealing in his book that trump tested positive for covid a week earlier than previously known and trump knowingly and recklessly came into contact with more than 500 people while keeping test results secret and rather than stand up for the truth, meadows publicly agreed with trump that his own book was fake news. he actually retweeted an attack on his integrity from a trump spokesperson. it is bizarre. it is humiliating but that is just the kind of degenerate person mark meadows is and no doubt explains why meadows is suddenly snubbing the committee once again at trump's behest. now it's clear that the come milt-- committee is done playing games. there is no legitimate legal basis for meadows to cooperate. they are left with no choice but to recommend that the body in which mr. meadows once served refer him for criminal prosecution. all of this is another example of the unprecedented stone walling that we are seeing from members of trump's inner circle. trump's closest allies from inside and outside his former administration are baselessly claiming executive privilege, declining to show up for depositions or pleading the fifth making a mockery of what used to be the most basic rules and norms of our democracy. joining me now is madeleine dean and steve schmidt. congresswoman dean, i want to start with you. the challenge with what meadows is doing, is he's given information. let me give you a couple examples what he's already turned over. the text messages, this is what chairman benie thompson wrote you turned this over. the text messages that you did produce include on november 6th, 2020 text exchange with a member of congress apparently appointing alternate electors in certain states as part of a plan the member acknowledged into which meadows said i love it. he also described more things meadows has given over. an early 2021 text message exchange on the ellipse and text messages about the need to issue public statements that could have stopped the january 6th on the capitol. he gave information and wrote an entire book with information in it they could simply read to him in theory upon what basis could he possibly believe he does not have to appear before this committee? you're an attorney if you can help me out with that. >> i don't think it has anything to do with the law. i think it has to do with total fear. i think mr. meadows is caught between a rock and a hard place. he should rise and be a patriot. he's handed over more than 1000 text and wrote a book and claiming privilege without claiming privilege and you read the final sentence of chairman thompson's letter. you know, i'm right here off the floor between votes. it is extraordinary sad that a former member of this body would put himself in this flip-flop untenable tethered to a grotesquely failed former president position. and for all history and the days mr. meadows done to be remembered. sadly, he's going to be remembered for having the very for criminal prosecution. >> steve, it brings up mark meadows is willing to go to prison, that is the fealty they must show to the president, they must be willing to go to jail or believe they can stall this out by lawsuits with no real merit and just go through and just try to drag out the process hoping that republicans win back the house of representatives and that it's wiped away because whether the speaker of the house is poor kevin mccarthy or just run him over like a truck and put someone else, matt gaetz or someone else as the speaker, it will go away. >> that's exactly what this is about. it's the race to election day. these republicans all believed that they will take back the house majority and will end the mandate of the january 6th committee. so what mark meadows is doing is playing chicken with the committee. he's buying time trying to see like in the end he has no intention of serving a day in prison. i can promise you that. if at the end of the day, he's compelled to testify he'll testify before he goes to prison but what he's doing is buying time. that's what the lawsuit is about. can he burn up a year? if you look at how this last year has been used to look at these issues to address these issues which are crisis for this country, time has not been managed very well to say the least. so there is a lot of reason for them to have confidence about their ability to do that. >> well, and that is the challenge i have congresswoman dean. i'm not so sure, you know, other than some people like adam schiff who does get how serious the emergency is, there isn't a lot of sense of urgency that i personally see among democrats to understand that they're not facing just, you know, bob dole the late bob dole or just sort of old regan republican party, that this is a different kind of party matt gaetz made it clear a, he'll try to make donald trump the next speaker of the house which he theoretically can do, you don't have to be a member of the house to be speaker or they're going to use the speaker, the house as a star chamber to do their same sort of theater attacks on democrats with committee chairmanships and they want to use the house to continue to do this demonstration of autocracy and democrats seem to be waiting for that to happen and drawing out the investigation. i mean, steve bannon's case isn't going to come to trial until next july. is there enough urgency to stand in the way of what is not just a nasty party that could take power but a party that wants to implement something fund mentally you know different from american democracy? >> i can tell you i personally feel the urgency. i can tell you from being a member of my own caucus we feel the urgency. yesterday's decision by the trump appointed judge to not bring bannon for another eight months only added to our urgency and to your point, adam schiff has brought forward a bill that we'll be discussing this week. the protecting our democracy act in that bill is one of my bills which is a subpoena compliance act. i feel extra ordinary urgency. we seen using the courts and delay, delay, delay to not hold him accountable. the protecting the democracy act, there is an urgency about it because itestablishes guard rails, aided and abetted by people like attorney general barr. sadly by mark meadows a member of the former member of this body. so i disagree with you. there is an extraordinary urgency i hope we will pass the protecting our democracy act. i hope the senate will act as well. it's very similar to the post watergate reforms. in addition to that, the january 6th committee has interviewed more than 250 people and so while we're seeing these shiny objects of a bannon or a meadows who are really disrespecting our democracy, i know that within those 250 people there are patriots who will help us connect the dots, who will help us follow the money, the planning in the end we will hold accountable those who need to be held accountable. i am confident we'll get it done this session. >> congresswoman, i know you have to go vote. i'll allow you to go and do that. thank you very much. i'll turn back to steven. i believe the congresswoman is sincere however, i think bringing a legislative bill to a gunfight is not necessarily going to save our democracy. i'm just being honest because a bill like that would go through the house and die in the senate because there are two democrats in the united states senate who don't seem to have any interest in or any fear of a republican takeover of this country. they don't care. so without those two who they're unwilling and might be more that are hiding behind them. let me read something to you. there was a gentleman named dr. william horn and he's the co-founder of the activist history review and he's a phd history guy from george washington university and wrote about the biggest fear he has is that essentially because no one has failed to meaningfully punish those who carried out the deadly 1/6 assault on the capitol much less punish the organizers and trump, mann, giuliani, et cetera. he said movements relied on a collaboration between vigilantes in the state. we see this clearly in the local nature of coup attempts during reconstruction and jim crow and lawmakers encourage violence and legitimize participants so you have a desire of civility on the state level and we'll pass bills. we're not going to punish people in the other party. we're kind of going to let it go so when the massacres happen in north carolina or in oklahoma, we let that go and don't punish anyone and get back to a civility and it happens again and again and just gets worse and that's what i worry is happening now. >> church hill talked about this with regard to the second world war, which he said could have been called the unnecessary war. in explaining it, he said the malice of the wicked was by the virt virtuous. what i see is an autocrat movement that is led by donald trump. he's the presumptive nominee for the republican party in 2024. that much is clear. we've seen matt gaetz say that he'll nominate trump to be the speaker should republicans take the majority, which they are on track to do. where has there been an argument made in a sustained way over the last year about the danger we face and the thing we have to decide in this country. do we want to live in a multi racial, multi ethnic plural society where everybody at long last is considered equal under the law in the american experiment? that all of us are created equal endowed by our creator, whatever he call him or her or whatever with rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. that's what is at stake here. what trump did is break the compact that existed between us in a society fraught with all manner of tensions and problems but has always believed that the way we assign power under the law is through an election's process and everything that we're seeing play out has nothing to do at this point with the last election. it has everything to do with the next election and mark my words, looking ahead to 2024 on election night should it be the case that donald trump is defeated, he will not yield -- >> that's right. >> -- to those results and the next time that it happens after years of this, you're going to have some significant percentage of the population that has been primed and incited and radicalized for violence over a period of years and that catastrophe to me is looming in plain view. >> yeah, absolutely. people should google the wilmington massacre in north carolina. this is how reconstruction is undone because after the civil war, the formerly said enslaved leaned into democracy and said let's do this. there was a black and tan collision in your party and the black and tan republicans won elections all across the south and how was that undone? violence. violent over throw of black and tan, black and white coalition governments in the south was undone by sheer autocrat violence. i'll bring you back for the next block because next, progressives introduce a bill condemning lauren boebert for her stupid and dangerous anti muslim comments while hundreds of hill staffers demand action to protect people from her. plus, in florida ron desantis continues to pretend that covid just isn't real. and college professors say they felt pressure, get this, to actually destroy covid data. also, kevin strickland says he remembers every single second of the 43 years that he spent behind bars for a crime he did not commit. he joins me live tonight and i'm going to ask him about being robbed of so much precious time. 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>> this is what congress is now ushering in the extremist voices without any type of accountability, without any type of response to it and i just want to comment on the bravery of those 400 staffers because we know how hard it is to speak up in a toxic workplace and remind viewers here that this isn't the first time that we've seen the toxicity of the workplace. cori bush had to move her office after being berated by folks. we've seen representative ocasio-cortez being harassed in the violent video released of her as well. that toxicity level is boiling over to the point where staffers are speaking to leadership and giving them the same side eye saying do something. it's your move because we all know that mccarthy has no will or desire to do anything to reign in his caucus. if anything, he's clearing the path for these extremists to have even louder voices as he makes a way for them in the hopes of what the coming speakership? i think what needs to happen here is the same accountability that we've been hearing progressives call for for weeks now and as representative ayanna pressley stated, it's a shame it taken so long and she, a black woman is having to step in for other black women and other people of color to make the work space safe for them, to call this out and demand the accountability that we know representative boebert deserves. >> steve, lauren boebert is not dissuaded by the criticism. she's encouraged by it. she's trying to compete with congressman massy tweeting out her little children holding firearms, which someone should call child protective services. i know people have have guns. people don't do that. it's a weird play of violence. you think i'm violent? she's calling congresswoman omar a terrorist but she's cosplaying terror ris tick behavior. >> she's certifiable. period.istic behavior. >> she's certifiable. period. she has no business serving in the house of representatives by any standard of dignity or comportment which all of us attached to this institution. when you look at that building, it's awe inspiring. that dome, it's awesome. lit up at night, the honor to be able to serve under it in this year where we've seen the capitol, the floors out house, the floors of the senate desecrated and so i'm sympathetic to nancy pelosi here. you figure out this when you're a parent, which is that punishing your children, which sometimes is necessary is more work for you. right? the commitment not to let them off the hook, right, immediately, right? it means you got to put the time in. she has to put the time in here. this is something you can't look away from. it doesn't matter how many of them there are by the way. it doesn't matter if there is 35 of them at the end of the day. as the speaker of the house she has to insist on elementary decor, dignity and comportment from the members. these are from my perspective, these are conservative virtues in someway defending the institution, the integrity of the organization and what she needs to do here respectfully is to drop the hammer and to drop it every time one of them crosses the line. it's an incitement to violence. it is an incitement to religious bigotry in a country that implies no religious test to political office, and so this climate of extremism is being fueled by unaccountable members and it's important that the broader society through the institution that is our vessel to participate in the american system of government say enough. >> yeah. >> enough. >> yeah. it is definitely time. juanita, look, i'm old enough to remember or read enough history books to remember when people used to find the black panthers objectionable to find them frightening and scary and ronald reagan said they couldn't open carry in public. they found that intimidating because they were carrying firearms in public. they were doing that to demonstrate we are concerned for the safety of people who look like us from police. these people are literally saying i'm going to show you how many weapons i have and that my children can shoot and that my wife can shoot. it's like a demonstration of not saying he want to protect ourselves but saying i am a threat. you think i am a threat? i am a threat. those same people who say i'm a threat which again, no gun owner with any good horse sense ever does just displaying saying i'm a threat, then they want to turn around and say the people they're threatening are the terrorists. nobody of color could ever, ever, ever get away with that. your thoughts? >> it's the ultimate display of white sum supremacy. if black families released holiday cards with guns, the nra would be out of their minds. they would go crazy at the notion displaying arms for reasonable concerns about safety. don't let anyone with dark er skin do that. what happened with the story told about representative omar is based in white sup preliminary see and harmful. >> she's not walking around showing off ar-15s. she's saying it's simply because she is a muslim and because she's visibly a muslim. you're saying by definition, you're putting every single person who looks anything like her at risk and she knows she's doing it and to let you know that she knows she's dangerous and that what she's doing is dangerous, she's like let me show you me and my 5-year-old's guns. you're dangerous lauren boebert, you're dangerous. people are afraid of you. you don't need to be in congress. i'm so embarrassed you're representing colorado, my former state. thank you very much. don't tweet at me lauren, i won't respond to you. i don't have time. coming up, good news on the omicron front as scientists say three vaccine doses should protect you against the new variant as senate republicans try to ditch the mandate for private businesses. of course. we'll be right back after this. s of course. we'll be right back after this ♪ when you have nausea, ♪ ♪ heartburn, ingestion, upset stomach... ♪ ♪ diarrheaaaa.♪ try pepto bismol with a powerful coating action. for fast and soothing relief. pepto bismol for fast relief when you need it most. dry eye symptoms driving you crazy? 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the external pressure that university of florida researchers felt do we specifically know where that pressure was coming from? >> so the report reflects comments given us to as members of this committee and we were tasked with collecting information from as many faculty as we could and i will say that some of us have information about where the pressure might becoming from and who the pressure was imposed on but we are trying to protect the con -- confidentiality of the information. >> was it coming from the governor. >> i don't want to say specifically but came from above and in my opinion, and this is my opinion, the governor appointments the board of education and members of the board of governors and the governor appointments most of the members of the trustees and they appoint the president and the deans. so it's hard to say. i'm not here to point the finger at any particular person? you're saying above. >> it was coming from above. i lump them together. >> and, you know, fernan my friend, above in florida, i lived there 14 years. you and i have known each other for a long time. we know what above means in florida. ron desantis made it clear he does not want covid to be real or believe it real and feels like it's a flu and doesn't care. he's appointed people like the doctor that seems to believe the same thing and embarrassing harvard with those believes and out there basically promoting don't worry about covid, just live your life. don't wear a mask. don't do anything. would it surprise you if the above that was pressuring people at the university to not, don't state that isn't true. don't dispute that even if you're writing an op ed and to be quiet about it if you don't agree. >> well, i think -- >> this is for fernan, sorry. >> i'm sorry. it wouldn't surprise me. joy, i'll answer your question about the want to be dictator dangerous florida man but i would not be a good friend if i first didn't wish you a happy birthday so happy birthday to you, my friend. >> thank you. >> a little sanity oasis. >> thank you. >> this is part and parcel with ron desantis. imagine on the heels of the announcement last week where he wants to build his own private para military militia. this is an autocrat acting in the manner of an autocrat. what surprises me about the actions of the university of florida is where are the resignations and protests by the university president, by members of the board of regions, by others who are calling out this assault, this decoration of war? for that matter, the other public institutions across the state of florida and country acting in solidarity. we know these pronouncements are in deep coming from above. you're hearing the professor talk about it now. the message is clear. don't criticize, don't say anything, don't make the dear leader look bad because if you do, we'll pull your funding and pull your job and in the future, we may do worse. and that, my friends, is what fascism is. >> you're a member of the sixth member committee. the context of this is florida ranks third in the number of covid cases behind california, which has a big size issue in early onset cases. texas, which is basically acting like them and trying not to do anything about covid. they rank number three in states in numbers of deaths. their numbers aren't good but this guy wants to run for president. he's hired people and brought people around him who are covid denialests including the new surgeon general. so inside of the university, what did people feel would happen to them if they were to dispute that florida is not doing well on covid? what were they afraid would happen? >> well, i think there were sort of real threats about reducing funding. we saw research on covid being cut. the funding right in the middle of a research project. we were told about that. we have reports of scholarship being stocked, which has a tremendous impact on faculties, professional lives. >> yeah. >> very quickly -- >> i was going to ask you why haven't people resigned then to answer fernan's question. >> are you asking why the higher administration hasn't resigned or faculty? i don't know. i honestly don't know. >> yeah. i kind of just resigned from the video, from the visuals there. we're running out of room there. fernan, i'll give you the last word. if this doesn't change and ron desantis is allowed to go through messing with the data and faking through it, isn't this just a glide path for him to be on a ticket with donald trump or replace donald trump on the ticket in 2024? >> well, he's not going to be on any ticket donald trump wants to be on because trump is going to decide first. we know that for sure. again, i think this speaks to a pattern of behavior where ron desantis is one of many republicans acting in this manner. this war on academic freedom is not dissimilar to the war on science, the war on truth. this positivity idea that we cannot talk about what is before our eyes, fascism happening before our eyes. >> including education and health and everything else. thank you very much for that report and research and my friend, thank you for the birthday greeting. appreciate you. >> happy birthday. >> thank you. kevin strickland wrongfully convicted by an all white jury joins me to talk about his exoneration after spending 43 years behind bars for a crime he did not commit. don't go anywhere. e he did not commit don't go anywhere. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ experience the power of sanctuary at the lincoln wish list event. no one can deliver your mom's homemade short ribs. that's why instacart helps deliver the ingredients. and you add the love. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ with chase security features, guidance and convenience, banking feels good. chase. make more of what's yours. real cowboys get customized car insurance with liberty mutual, so we only pay for what we need. -hey tex, -wooo. can someone else get a turn? 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[ding] - san francisco can have criminal justice reform and public safety. but district attorney chesa boudin is failing on both. - the safety of san francisco is dependent upon chesa being recalled as soon as possible. - i didn't support the newsom recall but this is different. - chesa takes a very radical perspective and approach to criminal justice reform, which is having a negative impact on communities of color. - i never in a million years thought that my son, let alone any six-year-old, would be gunned down in the streets of san francisco and not get any justice. - chesa's failure has resulted in increase in crime against asian americans. - the da's office is in complete turmoil at this point. - for chesa boudin to intervene in so many cases is both bad management and dangerous for the city of san francisco. - we are for criminal justice reform. chesa's not it. recall chesa boudin now. miss crawly, it's me mr. moon. i haven't heard from cyou in awhile, i'm starting to worry here. ♪ grab a brush and put on a little make-up ♪ make-up. ♪ hide the scars to fade away the shake-up ♪ you whoo. your destination is on the right. okay. whaaa! kevin track land was exonerated a few weeks ago after spending 43 years in prison in one of the longest wrongful imprisonments in u.s. history. in 1978, strickland was arrested at only 18 years old in a triple murder case. he was convicted the next year despite no physical evidence tying him to the crime. the sole survivor of the attack, cynthia douglas, only named strickland after her sister's boyfriend suggested he could be one of the perpetrators. relatives later said she was pressured to identified industry land by detectives. strickland's jury was a hung jury. the prosecutor said including a black juror was a mistake he wouldn't make again. strickland was then convicted by an all-white jury and spent 43 years in prison. last year prosecutors started reviewing his conviction after the "kansas city star" published an investigation and he was pronounced innocent in may. the republican attorney general delayed a hearing on the case twice, maintaining strickland was guilty. and republican governor mike parson said strickland's case was not a priority, instead, he pardoned the mccloskeys, the couple who felt the need to pull guns on black lives matter protesters and wave them around. during that time strickland's mother died, and he was unable to attend her funeral. though he's now exonerated, the state of missouri gave strickland nothing, nothing for what he went through. the midwest innocence project, which has been representing him since 2018, created a gofundme for strickland which has since raised $1.7 million, hardly compensation for losing 43 years. i'm joined by kevin strickland who was released after prison and tricia, his attorney and director of the midwest innocent project. thank you both for being her. mr. strickland, i first want to say to you, i am glad to see you. i think, obviously, what happened to you was just the ultimate, you know, sort of miscarriage of justice. you were only 18 years old when this happened. you are now 61, 62 years old. talk about going away from society as basically a kid and coming out now. what has changed what have you missed, what do you feel that you've missed? >> everything. i mean, the technology that you're dealing with today -- i'm not familiar with it. it's difficult. i'm having a phone issue every day, just learning to turn the phone on. i mean, just going into public restrooms and sticking my hand out, a paper towel will come out, the soap will come out. they didn't have that kind of system back then. just little things. there's a lot. just the roadways. navigating roadways is something. it's nothing familiar about this, to me. >> it is, it's like -- almost like you went to sleep in 1978 and woke up and there's this whole new world. you're on a zoom right now, that was something that wouldn't have been familiar to you. it is unfathomable to me. even worse what is you've lost as a human being. you lost your mom. was there family who you knew back then who are still here for you and surrounding you with love? what did you come back to in terms of your family? >> this situation kind of busted my family up a little bit. you know, people were somewhat disappointed, you know. they -- i was the first one in my family to be sentenced to a prison term. my family were law-abiding citizens. and it kind of, you know -- i kind of shamed and disappointed, disgraced the family name. so a lot of family kind of turned away from me. but there's still a few that's hanging in there. >> let me ask you very quickly, miss bushnell, thank you for coming back. we had you on before the actual release happened. this is devastating. because we know the job prospects for people who have a record, even though he's been -- mr. strickland has been cleared and is declared innocent, he now has to deal with a world in which those who have been incarcerated or discriminated against in the workplace, he's a black man in a country where that doesn't exactly help him in terms of getting jobs and getting opportunities. what now? what is to be done? the money that was raised, that's not going to change 100% of his life. >> yeah, i mean, i think, you know -- i think kevin would be the first to say, there's nothing we can ever do that will give him back what he's lost, right? there's nothing we can do that will give him not being there for his children, not having a relationship, getting married, having a career, all those things. when we look at what now, it's just like, you know -- in the same way as when anyone comes home from incarceration, wrongfully incarcerated, there's additional hurdles in that there aren't services provided for them. when someone gets out on probation or parole the state has to provide services for housing and education. that's not the case for someone who's exonerated. for kevin, not only is it trying to navigate what to do with this amount of money but he's not entitled to social security because he didn't pay into that system. how do you start a life, return a life that you didn't have, when you went in at 18, you're now 62? it's a very different scenario. it's really what do we owe him for the wrong that we did? >> absolutely. people who support you, and there's so many people out there praying for your exoneration, sir. now you are free. what do you want? what do you want to do with your time? and what can we do to support you? >> this entire experience has kind of made me not want to live in a city life. i mean, i need space. >> yeah. >> you know, i need to be able to, you know -- i still don't feel free right now. i've been out two weeks, and i'm still in jail. >> yeah. >> and what society could do to help me along with it? it's difficult to say. i really can't say that they can. because this thing is going on in my mind, some things that you could never imagine witnessing. >> yeah. >> and i'm still in jail. >> i am so sorry, sir. i'm so sorry for what happened to you. and i wish this was a way that we could just give you back that time, because time is something we can't give it back. but i know so many people are going to be praying for you, thinking about you. i hope you find the most amazing farmland that you can just be by yourself and just have space and have everything that you've ever wanted. wishing you the very best, sir. thank you for giving us a little bit of your time tonight. kevin strickland and tricia rojo bushnell, thank you very much. tonight on "all in" -- >> they've been pretty aggressive about holding people in contempt, and you kn

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