america, it appears that the conservative majority on the supreme court is willing to reduce you to a secondary constitutional citizen by decreeing the control over your very person, your physical body belongs not to you, but to your state. this morning, the court heard arguments in which they were asked to allow mississippi to uphold a ban on abortions after 15 weeks. the state also asked justices to overturn two major reproductive rights rulings, roe versus weighed and the court's 1992 decision in planned parenthood versus casey which said states could not impose an undue burden on the right to abortion before fetal viable. listening to the oral arguments it became clear that all six conservative justices were either openly or impolicitily interested in entertaining mississippi's request. >> if you were to prevail, the states -- didl majorities of states, or states still could or presumably would continue to freely allow abortion, some states would be able to do that even if you prevail. >> viability it seems to me doesn't have anything to do with choice. if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time? >> the fetus has an interest in having a life, and that doesn't change, does it, from the point before viability to the point after viability? >> this is important for you to understand. the supreme court has never agreed to hear a case over an abortion ban so early in pregnancy until all three trump appointees, justices neil gorsuch who sits in the seat stolen by republicans after the death of ruth baiter ginsburg, brett catch and amy coney barrett. at one point quoting directly from the casey decision justice breyer seemed to be speaking directly to his colleagues. >> will this institution survive the stench that this creates in the public perception that the constitution and its reading are just political acts? >> to overrule under fire in the absence of the most compelling reason to reexamine a watershed decision would subvert the court's legitimacy beyond any serious question. >> just breyer started with stare decisis, an important principle in any case the prevent people from thinking that this court is political institution. >> far more disturbing and frankly offensive was the mississippi slitter general arguing that the court should overturn roe v wade, which protects women's rights, because the court had previously overturned plessy versus ferguson, which restricted the rights of african-americans to participate in normal civic life without being subjected to segregation up until 1954 when it was negated by the landmark decision brown versus board of education. >> at some point it is for the court to say enough as it did in other rulings in brown and other rulings where it say this is enough. justice harden had it right in plessy when he recognized that all are call. >> if that wasn't rancid enough justice kavanaugh seemed to embrace that argument and went even further during his questioning of the lawyer for the jackson women's health organization. >> the court overruled precedent. and it turns out if the court in those cases had listened and they were presented with arguments in those cases that adhere to press department, in brown v board, adhere to plessy in the west coast hotel, adhere to atkins and adhere to lockner. if the court had done that in these cases the country would be a much different place. >> with me, elie -- the justices were in a wiesely way was trying to identify themselves as the brown versus board heroes. they are trying to wrap themselves in that because they understand that they are going against the vast majority of americans' will when they subject women to the -- the sis attitudes of their state and insists the states decide what they do with their bodies is this conservatives want you to think a fetus that is previability, cannot exist outside of its mother, cannot live outside of the womb, has the same -- should have the same legal rights as full grown black people in this country and that the fact that it doesn't is some kind of mischarge of justice -- no pun intended -- and that the people who shouldn't have the pull rights are the women who are carrying a fetus. i can prove that a fetus is not serve thing of full personhood rights because if it were they would be arguing that theet confuse us should be given citizenship, should have other rights like a right to education, right to health care. they would be arguing that i should be able to claim fetuses as dependents on my tax. you will note they are not. they are only concerned about the right of a fetus when that right can be used to diminish the rights of women. that is what the conservatives are all about on supreme court. that is what you heard in stark and i thought -- i think you used the right word, offensive language throughout the court's arguments today. but this is day that conservatives have been planning for a generation. >> yeah. >> they have picked people specifically to do this work. they are now here to do this work. and the person who looks like as much of an idiot as much as anybody today is susan collins who stood up there on the senate floor and promised us that brett kavanaugh of all people was going to respect precedent, that he was going to respect senate law, that he believed that roe v wade was senate law. and brett kavanaugh was the guy today who did all the work explaining why he should be able to disregard precedent because he didn't like how a previous case was decided. this was an insult to susan collins if you believed she was telling the truth when she defended the man a few years ago? let's play brett kavanaugh. this is him basically asking a leading question, leading the mississippi solicitor general along the lines he wanted them to, as if to say let's together concoct our excuse of getting rid of this right for women. >> the constitution is silent and neutral on the issue of abortion, in other words that the constitution is neither pro life or pro choice on the issue of the abortion but leaves the issue for the states or the people to resolve in the democratic process is that accurate? we are saying it is left to the people, your honor. >> so disingenuine. wheating a voting rights act because the states left to their own devices said black people couldn't vote if they couldn't tell you how many bubbles were in a bar of soap. it is disingenuous. what do you make of that and that really the only facts that have changed since roe is the makeup of the court. if they overturn roe it is just because they got enough right wingers on it, not because everything else is changed. your thoughts? >> as usual, brett kavanaugh brings the intellectually weak arguments to the debate. his argument about neutrality is ridiculous on its face. you can be neutral about rights, either women have rights over their own bodies or you don't. there is no neutral position. they have rights or they do not. we discussed how his framework involves creating rights of a fetus in order to prove this neutrality, a fetus that doesn't have rights, which i can point out loolly. then you point out another important point -- the whole point of a right -- i heard it called inalienable, the right of a right is that it can't be taken away by state legislators on an ad hoc basis. i don't want the state to tell me whether i can walk or breathe or marry or have control over my body. that's not the division of a right. the third thing kavanaugh is going -- it goes to his old personal from where i sit. he's trying to shift responsibility away from the supreme court towards the states. the supreme court -- we saw all summer the summer is sensitive about losing its legitimacy if it does something most people don't want it to do. kavanaugh is doing work of saying no, no, no it's not the supreme court taking a way borgs arights. it is texas, mississippi, it is always somebody else with him. it's never his job, his institution to stop it. that's why kavanaugh is making this argument and in many other mainstream sources picked up that argument, because they are always willing to blame someone else for that this conservative court is doing, taking away. >> legitimacy between bush v gore, gutting the voting rights act, allowing the muslim vote to stand. i don't think -- >> joining us, conwoman iona presley of massachusetts. i have to ask you this as a fellow black women, as a sister. listening today for me, congresswoman, to two men, clarence thomas and brett kavanaugh, who were credibly accused of violating the sanctity of woman, both got away with it and got on court. but having them stand up and soberly argue whether or not women are owned by the state. it made me feel some kind of way. i wonder if it did you. >> i will stick with you and be in alignment with the verbiage you used already in this segment, join. unprecedented, rancid and i will offer one more word, predictable. i am thinking about, i don't know -- as a black woman i think i am growing tired of saying we told you so. and i find no joy in saying that. but when reproduct justice advocates were -- reproductive justice advocates were sounding the alarm we were accused of fear mongering. we are characterized as hysterical. so here we find ourselves at this unprecedented moment consistent with the extremism and the imbalance of these courts, the supreme court has not basketball on the side of the people whether you are talking about voting rights, housing rights, or now reproductive freedom and the bodily autonomy of every individual who calls this country home. this is settled law. the majority of americans don't want this overturned. now let's just -- i was on the supreme court steps today, i chaired the abortion rights and access task force under the prochoice caucus. this is the first prochoice majority congress in the history of congress. elements have the house, the senate, and the white house. so if the courts are not going to be on the side of the people it is up to congress to meet the moment, this unprecedented moment with unprecedented leadership and with unprecedented legislating. the house passed the protection act whippa, we need the senate to take it up quickly and get it to the president's desk for signature codifying roe v weighed and on abouting harmful states bans like those in texas and mississippi. and we can't stop there. roe v weighed is really the floor. it is not the ceiling and this is the first time this 40 years that the house has passed a budget where the hyde amendment and the hounds amendment were stripped from all of our budgets. you know, a very big moment. so here we find ourselves in this unprecedented moment and inflection point. congress must act. we have to pass the women's health protection act. we have to pass the each act and repeal hyde and ensure everyone has access to health care, to abortion care, which is health care, which is a constitutional right. and we need to abolish the filibuster. and i will add, we need to expand the courts. now that's a conversation for another day. but our marching orders in this moment, the senate needs to take up the women's health protection act, get to it the president's desk, codify row v weighed and settle this whaert when it comes to health care justice, reproductive justice. when you restrict access it doesn't mean people will stop doing abortions. it just means they will not do it safely or legally. those that are the most vulnerable are already the most vulnerables. communities of color, low income, non-binary and transsibling. >> as you said this was 40 years ago, a lot of people don't know what it is like to live without these basic rights. they are about to find out. congresswoman eye i don't knowa presley thank you. up next, much more on the supreme court's arguments on abortion rights. what's going to happen if fundamental rights are suddenly left up to the states? you can probably guess. you are looking live at tonight's hearing of the january 6th select committee which is once again voting on a recommendation of contempt for one of trump's men. plus, republicans are buzzing about their davious little plan to shut down the government. seriously. but they are strangely silent about yet another school mass murder. 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>> first of all, birth control is not 100% effective. take a science class -- my first child, got pregnant with her, while on birth control. more importantly, what got left out of mississippi's argument is pregnancy can be dangerous to a women's health, commercial in the country the united states which has the worst rate of maternity death in the world. and the state of mississippi received an f for maternal health in a recent march of dimes report and also happens to have the highest infant mortality rate in the country not to mention water you can't make formula with because it is poisoned by lead. joining me the president of planned parenthood and the president of whole women's health. i want to start with you alexis miguel johnson. mississippi making the state argument is full of irony. it has wonderful people. but it is 50th in health care in its rankings, 49th in its economy. its poorest state in this country. one in five women there are uninsured. to say it is okay to ban abortions in the poorest state with one in five women, i believe -- one in four women -- one in four women in that state are uninsured. one in five, i'm sorry are not insured. to say it is fine, make them carry the baby to term, they can leave it at the fire house whenner done. it is so dismissive of everything pregnancy is about. it was shocking to me. i wonder if it was to you, too. >> up believely shocking. a state like ms. miss which today asks for a world where the states and the politicians can determine whether or not you are free, right, where they have the highest ma term mortality rate, the highest instant mortality rate and also rank 50th in child well-being. not even taking care of the children in the state of mess miss. i think that was the incredible alarm. it was offensive the say that forced pregnancy and forced parenthood would be addressed by safe havens and adoptions. those are the alternatives to abortion. it was just unbelievably shocking and frankly not surprising. >> i mean, this movement shouldn't be called pro-life, it should be called get them born and this it is your problem. mississippi ranks probably dead last in education, they don't want to spend money on education. they will not expand obama. so people don't have insurance. where are people supposed to get the money to raise kids they can't even make formula from the tap water because the water isn't even clean. kpr ordinary that they are making this argument. let's talk about what people are going to have to do. these are the 26 states that are like or certain to ban abortion all together once this ruling comes through and roe is effectively dead. i have notes here that talk about -- our producers here gave me stats of how far people would have to go if they banned abortion. if you live in mississippi you would have to go to illinois or north carolina. over 400 miles. editn to florida. 575 miles. texas, kansas or new mexico, 542 miles. how on earth are women supposed to do that if they are not rich? >> you know, already we are seeing this kind of abortion migration because of what is happening in texas. texans are fleeing the state, those who can, and trying to get abortions anywhere they can get them. we have seen texans in minnesota, in new york, in georgia, all over the place, because bans like this don't do anything to improve women's health and safety. they don't do anything to reduce the need for abortion. they just block people from being able to get safe abortions from trained medical professionals. 10% of this country's population of reproductive age lives in texas. this is not a small matter. people are traveling hundreds and hundreds of miles. they are desperate. they are begging us to give them the safe abortion care they need. people shouldn't be put in the situation where they are denied dignity, essential health care, all because somebody is playing politics. and to equate this safe haven law as if it is a solution it is insulting to those of us who built families from adoption, insulting to birth moms. are you saying her life is somehow not valid? it is horrific for those of us who deserve to have equality and autonomy. >> that's exactly what they are saying. they are making the argument that a woman is essentially a vessel whose only purpose is to give birth and that a woman has no other value or separate rights. her job is to carry this, this being, this is it. that's what you are supposed to do. because these states don't want to expand health care. we don't talk enough about the number of people who actually die in the united states because they lack health care access while they are pregnant and they don't wind up bringing a child to term. they wiped up dead. we don't talk about that often but it happens here more than it does in other developed countries. your thoughts. >> look, i think this has always been about control. it has always been about denying liberty and freedom. you are right, we haven't invested. when they make all of these comparisons to europe around abortion and gestation rates, let's talk about what is happening in europe around the social contract and the health care that is provided to families and communities and pregnant people. right? i think that they have made this choice over and over again to deny access. this is -- the real kind of antenna, the kind of -- the thing that went up for me was the poke around the state's rights. whenever they start talking about the states' rights, the notion this our if you know rights are going to be left to state legislatures -- that's a huge reg flad that we have to really get under. >> and wait until they go to their next act. they tried to use birth control as the excuse, we can do it because there is birth control. the pro-life movement, they are are come for birth control next, just wait, they are coming for birth control next. still ahead, the january 6th committee votes to hold former d.o.j. official jeff lee clark in contempt. that's next. stay with us. stay with us mobile app so you can quickly check the markets? yeah, actually i'm taking one last look at my dashboard before we board. excellent. and you have thinkorswim mobile- -so i can finish analyzing the risk on this position. you two are all set. have a great flight. thanks. we'll see ya. ah, they're getting so smart. choose the app that fits your investing style. ♪♪ ♪ limu emu... & doug ♪ ♪ superpowers from a spider bite? 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>> yeah, he clearly has important information, but, frankly, even more importantly, he has a fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. there was reporting that donald trump was ep listing the department of justice officials to do his nefarious bidding in trying to corruptly overturn the election's results. remember, there was that famous meeting where it was reported that president trump said, look, i know there was no fraud, just say there was and leave the rest to me and my allies in congress. what did jeffrey clark do? then a d.o.j. official he went back to the department of justice. he draft asked circulated a letter to the georgia state election officials giving them a blueprint to corruptly overturn the election's results. that makes jeffrey clark absolutely a member of a conspiracy to commit crimes against the united states with donald trump. and fronkly, the fact that he wrote and circulated that letter constitutes an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy which is an element that you need to prove a conspiracy. maybe the one smart and legal thing jeff lee clark could do would be invoke his fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. it looks like he is on his way to being referred for indictment. then, joy, there is an easy way to deal with jeffrey clark's fifth amendment right against self-incrimination once he's referred for prosecution. it is called a guilty plea with cooperation. that's something that i think the prosecutors at the d.c. u.s. attorney's office will have to seriously consider for jeffrey clark given the importance of the information he could bring to the table about donald trump's culpability. >> interesting. make them a deal, especially if he has information on other members of congress. lets a play one more sound byte from liz cheney. the vice chair of the january 6th committee. >> he recently suggested he wants to debate members of this committee. this committee's investigation into the violent assault on our capitol on january 6th is not a game. when this committee convenes hearings, witnesses will be called to testify under oath. any communications mr. trump has with this committee will be underoath. and if he persists in lying then, he will be accountable already the laws of this great nation and subject to criminal penalties for every false word he speaks. >> what is it with these trump people and this fake bravado gamsmanship? what do you -- as a prosecutor, that seems to me in itself to be contempt use of this process. >> it is. and there is an easy way for prosecutors to address that bravado. if the evidence supports criminal charges, bring criminal charges. put it before a jury. let a jury decide if a steve bannon or a jeffrey clark or at the end of the day a donald trump really has any viable legal defenses against the crimes that we have seen them all commit in the harsh light of day. and let me add, joy, one of the despiting by products i think of jeff lee clark perhaps intending to invoke his fifth amendment right against self-incrimination, what does that tell us? it tells us a former high dodge official apparently has committed crimes because you can only invoke the fifth amendment if your testimony would show you committed crimes. now, what is the department of justice going to do? we are forever having the debate. are they investigating high level officials, investigating trump or not. now it look like one of their own former official is announcing he committed crimes. the department of justice must take this seriously and investigate it criminally shoo i don't know what's taking them so long. let's listen to an fbi interrogation from danny rodriguez who said he was called to the capitol by trump. this is him admitting he tased officer michael fanone. >> what do you want me to tell you? i tased him, yes. >> explain. >> [ bleep ]. >> why did you tase him? >> i don't know. i am a piece of [ bleep ]. i'm sorry. >> now they are crying. do you think -- these guys don't offer much in the way of -- they can't really go up and like give anybody else above them, right? these are the guys who are going to end up cleaning a jail cell, right. >> yeah, and he was crying probably for himself because he's losing his freedom. but here's the thing, there are so many insurrectionists who said in one form or another, i came and i did this because donald trump told me to. all of that, i think, informs us about donald trump's culpability for inciting what happened on january 6th? yeah. it sure does. glen kirshner thank you very much. still ahead, the first u.s. case the omicron variant is identified in california. this as we learn maw about how the twice impeached former president callously put lives at risk after his own covid diagnosis. we'll be right back. s. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ well would you look at that? 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>> joy, good evening, great to see you. it is symptomatic of a lack of empathy across our country unfortunately. ale say with the former president, what is interesting there, for all of your viewers, what can we learn from this? we are now testing again the holidays, joy. a false -- it is rare that these tests especially with covid out of control still in most places with the new variant. it is rare any of these tests will give you a false positive. that will happen when we have covid truly under control. a false negative is more common. the first test, his doctor -- proximal to power, clearly didn't have integrity and commitment to his profession, was interested in consolidating his position. he should have said mr. president this is a test to be believed. the second test easily could have been a false negative. he didn't do that and who knows how many deds resulted. >> he ended up being a superspreader. he is 4 and biden was 7, insisted on being in a space with him. he could have gotten him sick and let him go to the hospital and he didn't have the special medical treatments that donald trump had. it is amazing. people that are boostered, like myself, is that fully vaccinated now? now i am worried that some krone could overcome the booster? >> that's fully vaccinated, joy. i am so glad you brought that up, thank you. for all of your viewers out there, and i hope the cdc might be watching as you and i are talking, they have to update the definition of fully vaccinated to account for the three-dose regimen. not the two. we cannot be saying, out of both sides of our mouth, number one two dose is fully vaccinated and then on the other side, pie the way, you should get a booster shot. it doesn't make sense. it's confusing. the definition has to be updated especially in light of this variant. i think the news out of san francisco is radio assuring. an individual who is otherwise young without major medical conditions, who had two toasts of the vaccine had mild symptoms. we are going to see a lot more of that in two weeks's time when pfizer and moderna come out with data about their vaccine effectiveness in the sight of in new variant. people will be testing positive but ultimately have thou or mild symptoms. this is what ends missity looks like. it's where we are headed. >> the shot won't guarantee you never get it. it is to keep you out of the hospital and keep from you dying. we are out of time, but are we going to end up with even more variants because so many people are like the radio host who died who refused to get the first shot let alone get three. >> we are going to have a sigma, a theta, and that's okay. vaccines against contamous respiratory viruss are intended the keep you out of the hospital not prevent a positive test. that's never going to be the goal. we will never be successful with that. we will constantly be chasing our tail. it's to keep you out of the hospital. >> my goal is to never meet a ventilator. that's my goal. doctor, appreciate you. still ahead the latest on tragic school shooting in michigan and the republican death cult hypocrisy about the sanctity of life. f life keeps us. hey, kevin! hey, guys! they have customized solutions to help our family's special needs... hey, graduation selfie! well done! and voya stays by our side, keeping us on track for retirement... ...giving us confidence in our future... ...and in kevin's. you ready for your first day on the job? 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they don't like the biden administration is trying to prevent americans of dying from covid. the house freedom caucus sent a letter urging mitch mcconnell to shut it down unless the bill prohibits funding for the president's vaccine mandates. o'connell told reporters a shutdown won't happen. it takes one republican to object and bring the government to a halt temporarily. it appears there are at least a few republicans who are willing to do it. we are hearing near total silence from republicans on another epidemic plaguing our country, deadly gun violence in our schools. a fourth student died after a 15-year-old opened fire in a michigan high school yesterday. it was the 28th school shooting this year. joining me now is senator chris murphy of connecticut. it strikes me that republicans are willing to go to the wall for some things. their right to have as many guns as you want and shoot up wherever you want. the right to cough on people with covid and get people sick. they want to should the government down because joe biden would like people to not die of covid. your thoughts? >> it's incredible, the lack of concern for life by republicans given their cavalier attitude about the 700,000 mesh samerica have died given their complete uncaring attitude about the 100 people every day who die from gun violence. this is really incredible to see how far republicans are willing to go in order to allow covid to win. how callous they are willing to be to families in michigan who right now are dealing with an incalculable amount of grief. it really is pretty unreal to listen to republicans talk about their concern for the sanctity of life as this abortion case comes before the united states supreme court, because when it comes to the lives we are trying to save from a pandemic and gun violence, they are nowhere to be found. >> i have started calling them the get 'em born and it's your problem party. they are interested in birth. they don't seem to be interested in life, educating children, health care for our citizens, preventing people from dying from gun violence, preventing kids from not having to do school shooting drills and know how to respond when they think there's a mass shooter. they don't care about keeping people alive. it is something. let's talk about a couple of the things that they are doing. i want to talk about rick scott. not only are republicans threatening to shut the government down, which means real people would lose money and lose their income right before christmas, but rick scott is cheering that prices are higher. rick scott said, you can see was going to happen. we're going to have inflation and then interest rates will go up. he is the said of the senate campaign arm. he says this is a gold mine for us. are republicans seriously hoping that they can shut the government down and keep prices high, make people miserable because it's all about politics? >> it's so curious to listen to republicans complain about increasing costs and then do everything possible to stop president biden's build back better legislation, which is all about reducing costs, reducing taxes for middle class families, reducing the cost of childcare, the cost of transportation. republicans, as you see now, are saying the quiet things out loud. they are telling american, they are rooting for higher prices because they think it will help them politically, just like senate republicans are blocking all of president biden's national security nominees, because they are hoping for -- they are rooting for global chaos. they think that will help them politically as well.really dang. i'm glad that they are admitting that many are rooting for people's economic failure because they think that might win them elections. >> let's talk about the government shutdown. they run out of money friday. if one or more republicans object -- it could be mike lee, roger marshall, they are threatening to expedite -- to slow things down, then what happens? how quickly do ordinary folks who have jobs working as the security guard at the museums in d.c. and other jobs, lose their paychecks? >> remember, the best case scenario might be that these republicans register these objections and we can't open the government until monday. we still need ten republican votes even for a continuing resolution to keep the government open and operating through the holidays. i'm not sure we have those. many of them are going to play to the base. this very narrow subset of republicans who are so opposed to the vaccine man dadates that they are willing to shut down the government. to do that in the middle of a pandemic, at the very moment this new variant is approaching, to lay off public health prochgs professionals, at this moment, it's chilling and it's ultimately deadly. the best case scenario at this point might be republicans are only so responsible that it lasts a few days. >> last time they did this, 35 days, it cost the government nearly $5 billion and a lot of people a lot of misery and suffering. do the democrats have the political will to do something big? if they can pass build back better, put something in there to prevent short-term fixes and do something longer term, and would manchin and sinema allow that? >> ultimately, you are back to this conversation about restoring the senate. about getting the senate to a place where this tiny minority can't stop us from doing business. we didn't used to have these shutdowns at the pace we have today. we didn't used to have continuing resolution after continuing resolution. republicans in the senate 20 years ago actually believed in the efficacy of government. rules were formed at some point. it has to be on the table to disempower this radical party. >> senator chris murphy, thank you. before we go, we commemorate today world aids day. president biden marked the occasion by calling for new actions to end the epidemic by 2030. >> we can do this. we can eliminate hiv transmission. we can get the epidemic under control here in the united states and in countries around the world. we have the scientific understanding. we have treatments. we have the tools we need. >> 38 million people are living with hiv worldwide. more than 36 million people have died from aids related illnesses since the start of the epidemic. "all in" with chris hayes starts now. tonight -- >> i hope i answered your question. i think that's one of the very strong reasons to just go all the way and overrule. >> the argument to take away a woman's right to choose goes before the supreme court. >> the court has never revoked a right that is so fundamental to so many americans and so central to their ability to participate fully and equally in society. >> the historic argument before a conservative packed court and the grave implications they hold.

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