alex jones stoked the big lie for months on his radio show and instrumental helping trump pull it off. he was key to the financing to secure a large donation from the heiress to the chain. the committee cites a video jones says he was directed by the white house to lead the march to the capitol where he was told that donald trump would meet the group. in other words, he was literally giving marching orders by the trump white house. here is that video. >> the white house told me three days before we're going to have you lead the march. the secret service before trump finishes 30 minutes before so we'll lead you to point, take you out of the front row and lead you to the place where they want you to start the march and trump will tell people go and i'm going to meet you at the capitol. >> okay. meanwhile the committee's subpoena to roger stone notes he was in d.c. to talk in support of trump and solicited donations from supporters to pay for security for his appearance at the stop the steal event. "the new york times" reported last winter, six people associated with the oath keepers served as body guards to stone just before they laid seeds to the capitol. at least one has since been arrested. in a statement committee chair bennie thompson said we need to know who organized, planned, paid for and received funds related to those events as well as what communications organizers had with officials in the white house and congress. we believe the witnesses we subpoenaed today have relevant information and we expectthem to cooperate fully. the subpoena brings the total number of witnesses by the committee to 40 and it's a sign the committee's work isn't slowing down any time soon. with me is joyce vance and advisor to the doc. joyce vance, let me start with you. we go through -- we're getting a little more specific now. we're now talking about the funding and the financing of these events that led to what we saw happen on january 6th. but there is also a little more. taylor budowich is the spokesman and he said you had a 501 to encourage people to attend and the select committee has reason to believe you were directing the organization approximately $200,000 from a source or sources not disclosed in the organization to pay for advertising. what would be the significance of figuring out who funded this whole thing? >> right, you know, prosecutors love to follow the money, joy, and apparently now congress does, too. because you can learn a lot. you learn the important elements of who wanted to do something, what they wanted to do and what they were willing to do to get there. so this has been i think a piece of this puzzle from get-go. there was reporting early on that the republican attorney general ease association was also involved in making robo calls to solicit people to attend the rallies. why do you want to bring this large group of people to washington? who funded it? conversations were had? are there emails and a paper trail? a lot of different pieces of the puzzle snap into place when you follow the money. >> curt, everyone that watches roger stone, he goes on at length how after nixon he wanted to find the perfect new nixon and in his mind donald trump was the perfect person to put in place because in his mind he had the celebrity ingredients. the letter to roger stone and also to one with alex jones, they talk about alexander, his name has come up before and so these are people who are working with somebody who is bragging. what do you take of this and who has been subpoenaed in the case? >> so much of the attention in the committee's work is who is not cooperating. with these new subpoenas that and the way they were phrased says there were a lot of people indeed cooperating with the committee and the evidence that they have acquired, the testimony they have, the depositions they have taken point a line very directly and clearly to these figures including alex jones, roger stone and some of the current people in trump's orbit and one thing that stood out to me, who communicated directly with the white house. who communicated directly with white house senior staff mark meadows and people in trump's or orbit? how much notice did the white house have about what was going to happen on january 6th and were there concerns elevated to them about it being dangerous, about it being violent? imagine if at the end of the day, this committee uncovers the reality that the donald trump white house knew an insurrection would happen in advance and yet, they did nothing to stop it, they did not deploy the resources needed to roll it back, they just sat there and let it happen. reading these subpoenas that, it makes me think they have testimony of witnesses who said to them, there was information that was conveyed to the white house about the severity of what was going to happen and the white house did nothing. >> well, we know roger stone has a history of dirty tricks that involves making violence sort of looking attacks on the vote count and he's a dirty trickster, what he does. but on that point that you just made, i want to point to joyce -- let joyce deal with this question because you have two people subpoenaed now who are not the markey names justin stock and jennifer lawrence, girlfriend and boyfriend. they were subpoenaed. they told propublica they actually were concerned that it would get violent, a last-minute march without a permit without all the metro police that usually would be there to fortify the perimeter felt unsafe. justin said these people aren't there for a blanking flower contest. the sponsor and co-organizer say they're there because they're angry. in the subpoena request to them, that is specifically pointed out that those concerns did go up to the white house for justin stockton, the question is whether or not he actually did talk to the white house and say that he was concerned that there could be violence. so it sounds like the answer to curt's question is probably yes. >> you know, it seems like the ultimate question is not did they talk to the white house. there is very little doubt that they did based on the way this is laid out in the subpoenas that and other reporting we've seen. the real question is what was the reaction from inside of the white house and who did they get it from? it mark meadows? was it the former president himself? the tempting piece of information that's always begged this question is the fact that trump did nothing on the day of the insurrection. watched television. by all of the reporting was delighted with what he saw and didn't understand why the people around him in the white house weren't as happy, weren't as exhilarated by the insurrection as he was. so now congress is going to find out what exactly was involved in that odd behavior by the then sitting president? was there a full layout in advance and did everyone understand this would happen or it was a risk? this is the stuff insurrection and sedition charges are made of. when the evidence is laid out in public, we'll know what we had here. >> curt, you have the people like alex jones, you have the dirty tricksters like roger stone and have people reporting up to the white house. you have the defense department. you have the eastman memo. you have him laying out this case for how you could actually overturn the election. it's hard not to see this as a pretty well formulated plan to stop by any means necessary the conclusion of a pieceful transfer of power to disrupt congress so much with all sorts of chaos of every kind that it couldn't go on, right? that we could not have a peaceful transfer of power. it's sort of like we know where this is going, the question is whether or not crimes were committed and i wonder if you think it matters whether or not this does end up being about prosecution or whether it might be enough for the american people to just get a full narrative of what happened. >> well, i think nothing is more important than getting a true, full detailed account of what happened, why it happened, who knew what when and why certain things didn't happen to stem the tide of what was going on january 6th. there is something that feels strongly if planning a coup and paving the way for domestic terrorist attack isn't criminal, what is in this country? i mean, this has to be a very clear standing by the united states of america that we are not going to tolerate the deliberate and calculate effort to overturn a free and fair election and to commit violence and mayhem because i'll tell you, if we don't do anything now, if we don't hold people accountable legally, then it's just going to tell everybody like taking out a big billboard saying do it again, do it bigger and make it more violent because nothing will happen to you if we do. we've said time and again on this show what happened january 6th may be a dress rehearsal for the future if we don't start getting the truth and holding people accountable. democracy cannot be allowed to be injured this way without some sort of push back, some sort of defense. that's when this committee is about. this is the foundation of our country and if we aren't willing to defend it, there is no point going forward. >> i guess that is the big question, joyce. at what point is it illegal? you have people claiming donald trump will remain president by any means necessary and show up at two different rallies on multiple days leading up to what happened and clearly have in mind stopping the peaceful transfer of power, stopping mike pence from certifying the election results, that is very clear and it's very public and then we saw what happened play out on television. at what point is it criminal? i even think of the public's heiress that gave that money backing ron desantis, she's still out there involved in politics. at what point does financing this and planning this become a crime? >> so there is more than enough, much more than enough for serious investigation on multiple fronts here and frankly we don't know. doj may be fully engage in a criminal investigation and may decide they want to take a pass on this for whatever reason but investigation is fully predicated here. the difference between investigation and prosecution is this, the government bares the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal trial. you have to marshall your evidence. you have to make sure it's sufficient to get that conviction and that there are no legal impediments a defendant could raise. if at some point congress in collecting the evidence, if it crosses that proof beyond a reasonable doubt and if doj does not act, that will forever be a dark mark i think on our democracy. people have to have confidence in the criminal justice system and we see a lot of cases prosecuted for crimes far less serious than insurrection and sedition so while i'm mindful of not indicting cases you can't convict by the same token, there are some cases that have to be indicted. i note the insurrection which carries only a maximum ten-year penalty also carries a penalty of barring anyone convicted from future service in public office. so that would serve us all well. at a minimum doj at some point has to step out of the usual box of being quiet and has to explain the decision to the american people if it wants people to continue to have confidence. >> yeah, i second that. absolutely. thank you joyce vance, curt. in the aftermath of the rittenhouse verdict, the right goes all in on vigilantes and violence, plus. >> you can't create the situation and then go i was defending myself. you just can't do it. >> the prosecutor shreds the argument of self-defense and tonight's absolute worst with an audience in the millions taking right wing propaganda to a dangerous level and two main stream republicans say they had enough. 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>> yes, yes, and he expressed his -- what happened to jacob blake. >> so in your mind, why do you think he was there that day? >> well, for one thing, he loved to skateboard. he was there skateboarding. there was probably 1,000 other people on the street that night and that's his -- that's where he skateboarded. he had every right to be there. >> and do you -- >> he was there helping people. >> yeah. in your mind, was your son the type of person who would have confronted somebody he saw have a gun? is that something that reads with what you knew about your son? >> you know, we -- it was a pretty dangerous and heroic attempt but him and i don't think i would have had the nerve to do that, what he did, and he was trying to stop the shooter. he was trying to stop an active shooter. they all saw rosenbaum get killed. everyone saw that. everyone that was there saw rosenbaum get killed. that kid turned around and mowed down rosenbaum. just mowed him down. i don't know what videos these other people are watching and i don't know how the jury came to that except for the fact that the judge had his hand on the scale of justice that i saw a video where he just turned and mowed that guy down. rosenbaum didn't touch him. >> do you -- >> and from there he became an active shooter and ran away. he ran away from a murder scene like a coward and he was just trying to get away and he used deadly force to get away. that's it. >> and what would you say if you could talk to this judge and to this jury about the decision that -- you could say they collectively made because the judge made it clear that's what he supported happening. >> i don't know how they were able to decide that rittenhouse was in danger, that his life was threatened because a little guy was screaming obscenities at him. he went there with a gun to be a menace and to be a big man. what did he think was going to happen? what did the police think was going to happen with this little kid on the street with an ar-15? nobody questioned him because he was on their side. because he picked their side. little white kid with an ar-15, oh, he's on our side. we don't have to question him. matter of fact, we'll coordinate with him, give him a water bottle and say good job, kid, now go home. you killed somebody? we're not interested. >> i guess my last question to you is what is your family dealing with right now? you're having to absorb the lose of your son and this verdict. how is your family handling this? >> when we heard the verdict, it was like he got killed all over again. we had to relive this all over again and every time we seen it on tv and every time it was brought up and all these attacks on him and us, those people should be ashamed of themselves and we feel like we've been raped. we've been raped by half of the country that supported him. and those people should be ashamed of themselves. he's a murderer. that guy is a murderer. he murdered two people and he has two murders on his conscience and he doesn't have a conscience. i believe he lied on the stand, and that richards guy in order to say oh, well, you know, we don't promote this violence that the gun people are saying but he's the one who called in the gun people to help his cause. it shouldn't have been about the gun or -- it shouldn't have been a republican democrat issue. nobody is wanting their guns. nobody wants their guns. what are they afraid of? you know, the president shouldn't have spoke up about it, either. trump had no business weighing in on it. you know, i stopped supporting him that day he offended me when he said oh, looks like self-defense. we didn't even know all the details. nobody even seen all the videos. and he spoke up on it. who does he think he is? an expert? you know, i lost all respect for him. >> i want to let you talk back to marjorie taylor greene because marjorie taylor greene was tweeting at me thinking she was hurting me. i do tv for a living. you're not going to hurt me by tweeting at me but she also disparaged your son and the other two victims joseph rosenbaum and gaige grosskreutz a child rapist, a woman beater, both convicted, both white, both men who they she says tried to kill a 17-year-old and she was referring to mr. rosenbaum having had a criminal record and having spent a lot of time in prison and having had a lot of personal issues of abuse of himself and abuse and was really in prison for awhile dealing with a lot of mental health issues. you're saying that the things that were said about your son having some issues, as well, legal issues, et cetera, you're saying those aren't true. what do you make of her attacking your son and the other person who died who was killed? >> man, i hope she's never sitting in our shoes. i hope she never has to deal with the death of a child and then have all this controversy and scandal around it. so we can't even grieve his death. we haven't even gotten to grieve yet. and how do they know? what does she think? it's okay to kill people that have something on their record like that? so let's just shoot them in the street? that's what she's saying. she's saying okay, go kill them in the street. go kill them in the street because they have a record for being a child rapist or because my son got in a fight with, you know, everyone in his house. you know, he did. his brother used to pick on him. he finally fought back. you know, and anthony was a passivest. he was a passivest and eventually he got mad about it but this stuff with rittenhouse, he was trying to save people. he was trying to stop a mass shooter. that's what it was. >> john huber, thank you for spending time with us this evening. we really appreciate your time and again, our condolences to you and your family for your loss. thank you. >> thank you, joy. >> thank you so much. joining me now michael steele former chairman of the rnc and host of the michael steele podcast. sorry i'm getting to you late. he is so emotional and this is a loss, and you know, what really strikes me, michael, you know, you and i are friends so i'll talk to you like a friend. it is so crazy to me that people can cheer like they won a football game over two people being dead that they didn't even know. they don't know anything about that man mr. huber and his son. "the washington post", he said they didn't even know, that the stories they told about his son weren't true. he knows his son and his son is gone and they're out there madison and marjorie three names and these people that don't even do their jobs, they don't even work. they get our tax money for doing nothing. are out there tweeting, thinking they're hurting me. go on. your thoughts? >> i saw that tweet from stupid and i just laughed at it because she reflects the soullessness of my party. you heard the anguish of a dad who has stated several times that he and his family have not had an opportunity to even grieve, that had to deal with the trial in which, you know, they felt and i think causal observers would agree that the scales of justice had a little extra weight on them, not so much in favor of, you know, their son's death in terms of dealing with that. when you start the trial by saying you have to refer to him not as a victim, not as a victim but a rioter and a looter but he's a skateboarder. all these people came into his backyard that night. so i think that this reflection of attitude that we have from the madison and marjorie taylor greenes, as a nation we need to repudiate. they're trying to draw you out and it like i just tell them straight up, y'all don't want any of this. okay? y'all don't want any joy reid to get up in your business. trust me on that one. okay? [ laughter ] >> because that gets ugly for you real fast but they think that they can grift, they can lie, they can put out this kind of hot ugly rhetoric and get rewarded for it and that for me, joy, is the biggest thing here. there are no consequences for these fools. there are no consequences at all. there is none inside the party as we've seen. there is none outside the party. i don't see where the public, you know, when the tucker charleston situation. fox should be shut down. you got two well established conservatives who just like, you know, this is just crazy what is happening over here and yet, the checks keep rolling in. >> yeah. >> here we are. >> if i was out doing a secret documentary on a story that i was reporting on here, we have a standards and practices department. >> right. >> and when i tell you i would be walked out of here, it is unreal. anyway. michael steele, thank you very much. appreciate you. >> thank you. >> thank you, michael steele. ahead, the prosecutor kicks off closing arguments in the trial of three men accused of killing ahmaud arbery with a blistering presentation. more on her arguments and the ridiculous defense team's counter arguments, ex-in. here. new aspercreme arthritis. thank the gods. don't thank them too soon. kick pain in the aspercreme. 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white men armed with shotguns who they had not seen him comit any crime which they had to have witnessed to make a citizens arrest under the now repealed georgia law. one of the defense lawyers tried to actually claim despite all of those facts, it was the mcmichaels who were the ones in fear for their lives even as travis mcmichael pointed his shotgun at arbery. >> aggravated assault, by the way, is a felony that can be committed by the use of fists. fists are that weapon and right now, as ahmaud arbery is running toward travis mcmichael he could have a gun and he definitely has fists. he's afraid he'll beat him with his fists or whatever weapon he might have and he's scared. >> joining me now is david henderson and katy fang. let's get the charges up. they're facing one court of malice murder. the prosecution was brilliant walking through and planing each count, felony murder, aggravated assault, false imprisonment, meaning they cornered ahmaud arbery with the car, chasing him and attempting to falsely imprison him. well done. this to me was the case. here it is. this is it. cut to it. >> you expect when you're committing felonies people will fight back, right? it's their title to fight back. imagine if armed robbers could come in and go well, i had to defend myself against the victim of my crime? could you imagine if that was the law? right? isn't that what they're saying? how dare mr. arbery defend himself against their four felonies? >> okay. she could be a teacher because that was brilliantly done but here is the problem, david, that was the exact prosecution case in the george zimmerman trial that george zimmerman chased a 17-year-old boy walking around with iced tea and candy for his brother and followed him and said there was crimes in the neighborhood, i was worried and chased him down. the police said don't chase him. he did. because the teenager defends himself and says i'm in fear for my life, shoots him. that's the same case and zimmerman walked. in america, the absurd can work if you are a certain kind of person. your thoughts? >> joy, that's right. what stands out to me more when we compare to the zimmerman trial is not just the facts and arguments but the composition of the jury. >> correct. >> that's what actually worries me. now, she did a lot of things right that we didn't see in the rittenhouse trial and the first one is she walked the jury down through the charge. basically explaining here is how you vote on each charge. here is a reason why. that was critical. she did two things that were harder to notice but really important. she preempted the defense by doing what is smart trial lawyer will do and say hey, judge, i'm looking over at their table and noticing things in the notes that make me think their about to argue things they can't argue. i need you to shut that down. the defense was thrown off the game. you're not arguing but appealing to the jurors on your side by giving information you need to go back there and fight for you. i thought her super bowl analogy is great. if you're on team and get a ring, the reason is i have a hard time to see a world where travis mcmichael doesn't get convicted but less true for bryant. >> i think it will be nullification because he looks like us and we relate to him and not arbery. this is cut three. play it. >> travis also told you that when we he came face-to-face with mr. arbery, even though he didn't speak he looked very angry and upset clenching his teeth but not saying a word. >> i have to throw this paper that said there were two sets of decision makers. literally, the guy running from the two trucks full of white men with shotguns, it seems like a scene out of 1953 that guy is the threat. your thoughts, katy? the black guy is the threat. yeah, okay. >> well, think about it, it's the best way if you're the defense attorney to get your acquittal is to dehumanize the victim. let's make the victim something, not a person, let's make it an object or something that it's okay that we disposed of that threat, that threat, right? and you know, greg mcmichael's lawyer sent me the places i'm not supposed to go when she said the reason why arbery is dead is because he ran. so let me get this straight, he ran for his life and apparently, the mcmichael's grab their go back because remember, according to gregory mcmichael's attorney, he's a good neighbor. with good neighbors like that, who needs jury executioners at this point? that go bag must have been gun, pistol, shotgun, i mean, i was waiting for them to say they also, you know, came with their hood and all that other stuff and a rope to lynch, right? because that's that law that they're relying upon and antique law tied to white slave owners. that's what the law is tied to and that is the important law that david talked about that the prosecutor talked about. the idea that a citizen's arrest has to be for an offense committed in front of you or that you have immediate knowledge of, the only knowledge that anybody there had was the fact that 12 days earlier on some grainy surveillance video, mr. arbery was seen inside of a home under construction and remember the following two, the 911 transcripts militates towards a conviction in this case. when they finally got around to calling 911 affecting this alleged citizen's arrest they didn't say i saw a man committing a burglary, i'm chasing a man that committed a burglary, they said there is a black man running down the street. how is that a crime? it's only a crime in certain parts of america and if this jury does not nullify because that's a fear i have, that the fact that these men are facing federal charges, as well, maybe the state jury says you know what? i'm going to leave it to the feds to take care of this. that's a possibility. brian moved to sever this morning. he moved to sever his case from the remaining defendants so there is a distancing happening now and despite the idea if you go to the bank and somebody kills somebody during that robbery, you're all guilty of the robbery and that murder, i'm worried as well as david that maybe they're going to make a dellinuation. >> split them up. all i can think of when i watch this trial is emit teal. they chased down the 14-year-old child and walked into court and walked out. we hope it's different this time. resignations at fox news because of an absolute worse dangerous conspiracy theory and no signs that the murdochs are willing to reign him in. we'll be right back. willing to reign him in. we'll be right back. ♪ when you have nausea, ♪ ♪ heartburn, ingestion, upset stomach... ♪ ♪ diarrheaaaa.♪ try pepto bismol with a powerful coating action. for fast and soothing relief. pepto bismol for fast relief when you need it most. when it comes to autism, finding the right words can be tough. finding understanding doesn't have to be. we can create a kinder, more inclusive world for the millions of people on the autism spectrum. go to 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problematic for a long, long time, they've really dialled it up to 11 with this one. according to politifact carl's documentary describes the attack as a false flag operation contriveed to frame, trap and purge trump voters in a new war on terror as hayes himself told "the new york times", particularly disturbing was m make of water boarding and suggests that half the country will be subject to this kind of treatment. if that's not scary enough, tucker carlson reportedly tells husband audience we're at an actual war, literally claiming that soldiers and para military agenies will be hunting down american citizens. that is not only false, it's dangerous. with the release of this documentary, fox news has officially completed the metamorphosis from a conservative news channel to a . anchors bret baier and chris wallace shared objections with fox leadership and also aired their own segments that refuted carlson's claimscarlson's claims. that is according to npr which reports that their 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they are sowing disinformation. stephen hay's and jonah goldberg wrote the documentary's message is clear. the u.s. government is targeting patriotic americans in the same way it is targeting al qaeda. this is not happening and we think it's dangerous to pretend that it is. public officials are increasingly being terrorized by threats of violence. joining me now is eric boller, founder and editor of pressrun.media. this isn't media criticism at this point. what fox news is doing is inciting their viewers and essentially creating a false reality for them to live in that feels like it can't do anything but incite violence. your thoughts. >> yeah. you know, the jonathan karl interview with trump a few months ago. he was saying, hey, if you think the election was stolen of course you're going to be violent, of course you're going to storm the capitol. so we're beyond the big lie. this has become the fundamental world view and people like tucker carlson are pushing it. goldberg and hayes, them resigning, that's not going to change anything at fox news. tucker carlson runs fox news because tucker carlson has the biggest ratings. that's how it works over there. if he's going to glorify a deadly insurrection, that becomes the per forma, de facta position of fox news. but it's important why they are resigning. you know, they have been part of this community for 20, 25 years. if they watch tucker carlson and say, oh, this is going to lead to street violence. this is going to lead to gubz. this is going to lead to vigilante violence. i think it is important to listen to them in this case. do i think they could have resigned 15 years ago? of course. when fox news was saying obama was born in kenya, yeah, that would have been a good time to leave the building as well. but again, nothing is going to change, unfortunately, because fox news functions as a sewer. it's always going to function as a sewer as long as rupert murdoch owns it. >> i think of the guy who was at a public meeting saying when do we get to use the guns. >> exactly. >> this is how their viewers are going to sound. how much of this do you think is about the competition from sinclair broadcasting which still calls donald trump the president. they're still treating him as if he's the president. you've got oan that treats donald trump as if he's the president. you have the right-wingish but not like this. how much is this about protecting their money from these other outlets and different forms of the cocaine. they want to do the more pure form? >> it's a big part of it. late last year i predicted fox news was going to be its worst this year, specifically because it will never allow itself to outflanked by the far, far right. it's never worried about it up until the big lie, the re-election, newsmax, oan came in and said -- they totally embraced trump with the big lie and they have continued to grow. newsmax continues to grow. they basically sponsored the arizona charade recall. so fox news has real competition on the far right in the way they never did. they will never, ever allow themselves to be outflanked to the far right. they don't care how many people they kill, talking about a covid hoax. they don't care how seriously they injure free and fair elections in this country. they have no qualms. this is beyond conservative media, this is a threat to our democracy and they know it. >> you have people like paul ryan who sit on the board who are looking the other way. what can be done? because they don't have to actually have commercials. what people don't understand, when you have basic cable, your baseball cable is paying for fox. you can't get at them that way. they have no advertisers in some of these shows. they're just promos for mypillow. what can they do -- if the public feels that they're dangerous, what can people do about it? >> it's very problematic if you go back to bill o'reilly and glenn beck. tucker carlson does not have a single blue chip advertiser left. it is a dollar a holler over there, whoever they can get. you and i are subsidiing fox news with our cable bills every month so we've lost that weapon in our arsenal to go after advertisers. do you want to be associated with that? every major player on madison avenue said no, no, we do not want to be associated with that. so they're cocooned. tucker carlson has lachlan murdoch's ear and has the support of rupert murdoch. it's a difficult position to go to your question what do we do? we keep waiting for honorable people to do the right thing. yes, again, goldberg and hayes resigned. they're barely on because everyone knows they don't support trump so they're not even invited over there. >> right. >> so it's tough. >> and as you and i -- the media, the other journalists still try to treat them as a normal journalistic outlet. >> super quick. democrats should not be on fox news ever. >> indeed. thank you, eric, that's a nice reidout. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. hopefully we have this today, right? >> we shall see. >> we shall see. >> new subpoenas from the january 6 committee for trump confidant roger stone, alex jones, including trump's current spokesperson. then -- >> what a beautiful thing, huh? not guilty on all counts. >> the dangerous celebration of a kid who killed two people. plus the internal pushback at fox news as the channel goes f

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