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>> i'm sure that's true. i think the case was -- the disaster of the case was right in the beginning when it was illegal for him to carry an ar-15 to the rally. that's the beginning of the tragedy that started the whole ball rolling and that's a function of the law. well, what do you mean a 17-year-old took an ar-15 to a rally and there was not a problem? and there was a problem. he shouldn't have been able to do that. let's just say if a black man took an ar-15 to a rally, he would have very quickly, either been shot or that would have been removed. nobody would have been handing him water. i do think there was complete unequal treatment in the manner which this kid was dealt with at the scene of the crime. the problem with this verdict is les for me about the verdict, in that it is going to encourage other vigil antism, both on the right and on people on the left to protect them svlgs from the people on the right. and we're just going to have a violent clash and i'm afraid for people. there won't really be any legal changes until we've had more violence, which is terrible. >> carrying on that note and i think that's what so many people are afraid of is that this asymmetrical law of how people come to justice if they're african-american, latino or white. and one of the things that was really striking was just because kyle was quitted, doesn't mean he was innocent. is there an intention by you that represents the family of the other victim to file a civil suit or take another course? >> well, absolutely. i mean, justice delayed will not be justice denied in this situation. we've already filed a civil suit against this city in the county of kenosha. we're looking at doing that against kyle rittenhouse. we're pretty pausesative we're going to do that against mr. rittenhouse as well. she's right if this were a person of color, certainly they would not receive the same treatment. i think this is a really larger issue with american culture, frankly. we have this culture where we set aside unfortunately and that has allowed for people like kyle rittenhouse to go in communities not his own and be this chaos tourist and to murder people. i think, in addition to us have a more equal criminal justice system, we need take a strong, hard look and make some changes as relates to american culture. what this means for society and frankly, the young people out there protesting, on the right or left, who should be able to protest peacefully, according to the constitution. >> carrying that note, what do we do whether it's the government to address some of the structural barriers we're seeing, implicit bias in the work being done to carry out justice. >> the first thing is elections matter. we have to hold the house. that is critical. you can't underestimate that. and here's an example why. right now there's a supreme court case pending that is going to probably -- you know, most experienced supreme court watchers say, is probably going to loosen gun laws and make it easier for people to get concealed carry permits and say everyone has a right to conseal carry permits. that's because we lost the 2016 election, because trump was president and we can't lose elections. we have to win the arguments and elect house members, senate members, and the president. and i think we relied -- we just have been lackadaisical about that, lackadaisical about winning the argument on a host of issues. on choice, on all kinds of things. and somehow we think we can go about our lives and things aren't going to change but they are going to and things are only going to be better if we win elections and that means winning the argument. >> and one of the things i often like to remind folks is in 2018, so many people came out and voted and we saw change and got stuck because you had a certain party, the republican party, that did not want to hear a lot of legislation, including the george floyd police reform act. when you hear cynthia say we have to go out, we have to participate, vote. he's been on the bunch for quite a while. to you think someone will now basically try to run against him, based on his verdict and the way he was conducting himself in the court room? >> i certainly think cynthia's absolute lee right and i don't see judge schroder running again, beyond 2026. he's an older judge and he's made his mark now with the rittenhouse case. i think it's important for the viewers to note that even though people like me are very much against the verdict that this is our legal system. i think the jur -- they made their decision. whether you like it or not is beside the point. but we all have responsibilities to speak up and we all have responsibility to, frankly, be better within this wonderful country of ours. that i'm really beside myself at. it seems like it's going down. in ugly and dangerous ways and we're supposed to be better than that as americans. i hope people get out and vote and pay attention to the criminal justice system and speak out when you see things that you don't think are right. >> i think you're absolute lee right. we have the democracy in which we participate in. if we love it and nurture it, then it will return the governance we need. thank you for joining us both tonight. coming up the house finalally passed biden's social spending bill but not before kevin mccarthy tried to have the last word. plus i'll be joined by actor and comedian, john leguizamo. but first, richard lui is here with the headlines. >> operations are returning to normal at the hartsfield international airport. a gun going off in the screening area earlier this afternoon. and that was at the country's busiest airport after a prohibited item was found going through a tsa check point x-ray. they told the passenger with the bag to not touch anything during the search and then the passenger lunged at the bag and grabbed the gun, which then went off. the passenger then ran out of the airport. >> absolute disbelief. i mean, you hear about it and you read about it but just being in the middle of it is something i thought i'd never experience in my lifetime. >> reporter: a total of three people were injured with nonlife-threatening injuries, not knowing if it's related to the gun going off or not. the incident briefly halting departures from the airport. officials gave the all clear just before 3:30, saying firearms, particularly loaded firearms introduce an unnecessary risk at check points, represent a very costly mistake for passengers who attempt to board a flight with them. that incident is under investigation. more news later. now a short break. now a orsht break. in your hands? 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>> the committee assignment now, they may have better committee assignments. i think with gosar, those are the ones he wants. taylor greene, she was just a freshman. she has a right to serve on committees. >> congresswoman, what is your reaction to that? the fact that after he was censured for the first time in ten years, a congressman on the house floor and only the 24th congress person ever censured by the u.s. house of represents, the leader of the party said nothing? >> i know and it was a very serious issue. what representative gosar did is both despicable and beneath the office he holds. no other workplace in america would tolerate such dangerous conduct and neither should the house of representatives. i was proud of the democratic leadership that moved swiftly to censure him and remove him from his committees. mccarthy, he also is a disgrace. he didn't accept any responsibility for this. he should have. it's really very serious. promoting political violence has real consequences. many of my colleagues, not just aoc, but including myself, the capitol police and many others have received death threats and many people try to act on them. it should not be tolerated. rejecting violence should not have been a partisan issue. we should have joined together, rejecting such violence. >> and i think what you're saying as well is the fact that once violence becomes toward, they spill into other actions, such as the insurrection january 6th. i know the subpoenas keep pouring in. but i want to pivot to what a week the president has had. he just passed the most ambitious plans in america to retrofit our infrastructure, while at the same time lowering the cost of insulin to around $35 and the list goes on. can you speak about what the politicking took to the last minute. i understand speaker pelosi was talking to manchin and sinema all along. so, this was surprising and allows the chances of it passing in the senate to actually be possible. what do you say? >> i'd say the bill is a game-changing bill to the american people. i never thought i'd have the opportunity to vote on such a transformational historic bill. the whole week was historic. on monday, we gathered at the white house for the signing of the bipartisan infrastructure bill. building on the american relief bill. their three major pillars of president biden's goals this year and the final one is the build back better bill, which we passed and is now in the united states senate. i am confident that our senators will send it to the president's desk. i do want to know that, at the celebration on monday, both senators sinema and -- was there and manchin was there. and there's every indication -- i hope they'll be supporting and working with us. >> and what is the likelihood, do you think, that because we're going to pass this in short order, that we're going to see the light of day on the freedom to vote act? if people are disenfranchised because of the redistricting we're witnessing in state-run legislation, that we're not going to be able to do that. >> i tell you i think we should have an exception to the filibuster for voting rights because it's so fundamental to our democracy and our rights. if you don't have the right to vote, you don't have a democracy. and efforts to hold it back too, weaken it, this is very serious. we're going -- we have to win the next election. that's my top priority. we need to re-elect president biden. we're thinking ahead but i can tell you it was a historic week passing this important bill and the investment and attacking climate change was historic. and my committee, we passed the electrification of the federal fleet and post office moving us off fossil fuels. it's a huge step forward to protecting our plan. there's soy much in the bill from family and medical leave, the child tax credit, lifting children utof poverty, investing in 3k, 4k education, you name it. it's really transformational. >> congresswoman, you show what happens when people vote in record numbers. voting works. thank you so much for joining me tonight. >> thank you. now for more on republican tribalism, we're joined by an msnbc columnist and publisher of news letter "truth and consequences." i read your opinion piece and i was struck by how you analyzed the republicans as being tribal, verses the democrats being wrapped around and mobilized by issues. what do you say to that where we are right now and the likelihood of picking up where the congresswoman left off of elections next year? >> i think this speaks to something that's a real problem in general. their supporters are not as loyal as republicans are. and i think you saw this in the recent election in new jersey in virginia in which republicans turned out in big numbers. democrats, either in some stayed home, some voted for republicans. depending on loyalty to party with republicans. and you see this fromcycle to cycle. republicans did well down ballot. in red state america, republicans did extremely well. were able to hold on to their majority in the senate, to some of their governships and house seats. what you see over and over is democrats aren't as willing to look past problems with their own party. republicans, the loyalty to republicans, even in the face of acts like paul gosar, threatening to murder one of his colleagues, it's unbreakable. the bond that exists in the republican party. >> so, how did the democrats fight the tribalism that is not just unifying the republicans but many say is also eroding democracy? >> there's no easy answer to that question and i hate to say it. for democrats, they don't have an easy way around this. i think there's an assumption that if you pass all these bills that help people and increase the social safety net, that you're going to win over republicans. it has a transactional effect. the reality is it's probably not going to happen. republicans may say we like paid family leave but it's socialism, communism and everything we don't like about the liberals. more likely to vote for republicans, even if they agree with some of the policy measures democrats are enacting. i think what you see as tribalism has become much more representative of our national politics, as two parties get more polarized. republicans seem more inclined to vote republican no matter what. i didn't mention donald trump, which is the most obvious example of the phenomenon. he could not have screwed up the response to covid more than he did. it did not effect republicans turning out for him. he lost but he did better than expected, considering his track record the previous nine months before election day in november. >> and you're talking about the ways in which gerrymandering that played into this. what kind of structural changes can happen so, regardless of party, they're basically counted equally across the country? >> it's not going to be easy because you have a situation with -- around the country, they're going to jerry mander the districts to insure republicans have an advantage. one thing democrats could do that they're not going to, would be expand, make d.c. a state, puerto rico a state, add new senators and congressman. that's the kind of ruthilous political gesture republicans would do, democrats won't do. it's hard to see how democrats overcome this. because you have these structural disadvantages. you refer thns gerrymandering, which is a problem and then the increased loyalty in republicans and the fact democrats cannot be counted on to the same degree to turn out. what helped them in 2018 and 2020 was fear of donald trump. if i was playing democrat, i was focussed on that fear again. i think it is a big motivator, for democrats. i think you could argue it did work to some extent. maybe it helps mcauliffe narrow the margins more than they would have been. i think it's probably the best thing democrats have going for them is the fear factor and it's a huge motivator. we all know that. >> and you can disenfranchise d.c. while you're at it. >> and policy wise. d.c. should be a state. it should be. >> i do think you're right and i'm going to have to bring you on another time because we could talk endlessly about this because we're not quite seeing eye to eye but i appreciate your insight. thank you so much. now your redistrict will zoom in on the legal challenges facing texas new congressional maps. facing texas new congressional maps ♪ limu emu... & doug ♪ ♪ superpowers from a spider bite? 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>> it's great to be with you on saturday night. >> always. >> i mean, your staff pointed out that 95% of the growth in the last 10 years in texas has been fuelled by people of color. about half of that by latinos. you asked why it is that republicans have gerrymandering this way? it's to change into kind of state we've seen turn over, like arizona, georgia most recently and they have intengdsally discriminated against latinos and other people of color in the state of texas through these maps. i'm glad that several lawsuits have been filed against it. people should remember this is not the first time we've been through this. i'm having a bout of déjà vu because a decade ago, they did similar maps and it was found to be intentionally discriminatory against people of color. for anybody out there thinking well, you know, this is not intentional, they're just drawing these maps based on political interest of individual politicians, which also happens, no. the texas republicans have a very clear and sorded history of gerrymandering and they're up to it again. >> and the reason the maps last time around were basically thrown out was because of the voting rights acted. it was because they did not pass muster under preclearance. a lot of these lawsuits right now are being challenging the whole notion of section two. can you break that down for our audience. >> yeah, well, it used to be before supreme court case, a few years ago, that maps like this would have to get precleared by the justice department to make sure they didn't run afoul of the voting rights act. after that case, that no longer is the case. so, it's given free reign, basically to the states like texas to engage in discriminatory behavior and throw that to the courts on a case-by-case basis. but even with that, even with the eviserated voting rights act that was in place, a federal district court did find that one of their maps had violated the voting rights act and they engaged in intentional discrimination. i'm hopeful there will be a finding in this case. what i am concerned about is we have a supreme court that is basically turning a blind eye and that's worrisome. to me, it reminds us of how urgent it is to pass the freed team vote act and the john lewis voting rights advancement act. >> and i think the reason the freedom to vote act you're referring to, what folks don't realize is one of the first things it does is surgically removes gerrymandering and that's causing so much chaos, whether you are in texas or georgia or what have you. i want to thank you so much for tonight for joining me and i -- oh, my gosh, i called you congressman. >> i was just going to let it slide by. >> do i owe you a tequila? 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>> hello. thank you for having me. >> it appears you're trying to shed light on the criminal justice system how it's sometimes stacked against latinos and african-americans and it falls in the back drop with the rittenhouse case. what do you say about it and what are you trying to explore with your new project? >> obviously the verdict of this rittenhouse has devastated so many of us. like there's no justice. somebody can come in with an assault weapon to a peaceful protest and kill people and get away with it is a horrible message in our country. it's written and all hands touched by latin x illustrators and drawers was to bring a lot of attention to a lack of representation, first of all, because we haven't had a latin superhero and we've been here since 1492 and been superheroes since then. when i was bringing attention also was how toxins and radiation and pollutant particles are put into people of color's communities. instead of it killing us and giving us asthma and destroying our bodies, it makes us immune and powerful. max gomez, unfortunately because he's a person of color is wrongfully profiled and incarcerated. >> in the comic book, the main character, i quote, at first i thought the system was broken and now i think it's working fine, to keep people like me down. tell me more about that. >> there's an incredible documentary called "crime and punishment" about new york city and the unspoken quota that some policeman were arresting latin and black kids to fill unspoken quotas and ruin people's lives. this happens in america. it happens in latin communities, obviously, it happens in black communities. and i want to bring attention to it because we need to fix this broken system. >> and we have talked often times about the importance of voting to change the system, to occupy the voting booth. you've been such an incredible advocate of it. what do you say to a young man who picks up your comic book and say it >> you know democracy is not a spectator sport. >> you got to speak up and one of the ways is to own it, you got to vote in this election and you have to vote in upcoming primary, you have to speak up. this is the largest voting block of america and ethnic group in america. and, we need to get our power. we need to get our seat at the table because we are not there and it's wrong. we have to fix it. >> what i love so much about what you are describing to is we recognize our super powers. i was speaking to someone that he was from latin american, the difference between latino and latin america is you own both history of where you come from but you also own the moon landing. one of the things i want to highlight is the important piece that you are doing right now. take a listen because i do think it talks about a different type of super hero and being latino in america. >> yes, what about bruno? >> we don't talk about bruno. >> you are telling me that -- >> we don't talk about bruno. >> we don't talk about bruno. >> do we not talk about bruno because he has in cell super powers? >> yes, i play bruno, i am the uncle that nobody wants to have at thanksgiving. that's my character. the guy that says the wrong thing. his super power is seeing into the future. sometimes the future is not what we wanted to be so it becomes the annoying uncle who's telling the truth in a way. the movie is so beautiful and funny. lynn is a genius. the beautiful thing about it is the anticolorism. in the land and community you have to deal with colorism and in hollywood, always the lighter latino and the whites passing latinos. i succeeded because of that. i was lighter skin. in this movie, we have the whole spectrum and hair texture spectrum from the curlest to the straightest native american hair, we have the whole thing. it's beautiful. >> you have wilmer and you have all these columbians and i have to say as an american-columbian, i could not be prouder. how do your project breaks it down and inspire hollywood to take it by the horn and have more of us behind the scenes and on screen? >> you know this is the first step and hopefully not just for optics and not just for cosmetic but a real permanent change in hollywood. the census came out 2020, i want 20% representation in front of the cameras and executives and the crew and the stories being told. 60% of the population, they get to be 140% of the stories. that needs to change. it really needs to. we over index with 25% of the u.s. box office. we contribute $800 billion in tax revenue every year. we are being taxed without visual representation, not cool. >> not cool at all. >> i know that you are at the helm and you are speaking truth and representing us well. gracious for your time. >> thank you. still ahead, anyone 18 and older can get a booster shot. we'll break down what you need to know next. shot we'll break down what you need to know next as a dj, i know all about customization. that's why i love liberty mutual. they customize my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. how about a throwback? you got it. ♪ liberty, liberty - liberty, liberty ♪ uh, i'll settle for something i can dance to. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ ♪ ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ we see you. that's why we designed our new no7 pure retinol range. informed by 15 years of scientific research; to target the appearance of dark spots, wrinkles and boost radiance. and formulated to be gentler to skin. want your clothes to smell freshly washed all day without heavy perfumes? 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