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it's been a day. have a great weekend. >> thank you. >> to quote my friend -- thank you. to quote my friend and radio show host jess mcintosh who said to me today it's been a very america kind of day. this morning house democrats led by speaker nancy pelosi passed the build back better act. >> the build back better bill is passed. [ cheers ] >> the biden social infrastructure bill passed today with near-unity among democrats and only one defection. and leader chuck schumer says he expects the senate to pass it by christmas. this once-in-a-generation legislation includes historic social safety net and climate provisions and sets aside nearly $200 billion to provide four weeks of paid medical leave starting in 2024. that provision in particular will have a direct impact on millions of people, including women, people of color, low-income workers, and their families. according to the national partnership for women and families, black workers are 83% more likely than their white counterparts to be unable to take that necessary leave when they need it. paid family leave was at risk of being removed from the bill permanently. but progressives, held by congresswoman pramila jayapal, who i should note is a woman of color, fought to keep it in the bill. it is not surprising that the most racially diverse congress in american history passed the most consequential piece of legislation for women. leader kevin mccarthy tried but failed to stop the bill's advancement with his eight-hour and 32-minute rant about baby carrots and some such other nonsense, while his fellow republicans sat behind him, nodding and laughing along as if these are times that just -- you can joke about. and soon after that, speaker nancy pelosi, she passed the democratic agenda. she also got a letter informing her that president joe biden was temporarily transferring presidential powers to vice president kamala harris while he underwent a routine medical screening. so in this very america kind of day, and this morning kamala harris became the first woman and first woman of color to become acting president for a grand total of 85 whole minutes. and this afternoon the vice president was in columbus, ohio, to sell the new bipartisan infrastructure law to the voters. >> because of our work together, america is moving forward. and ultimately that is what infrastructure is all about. it's about getting our nation moving. and the way i see it, my definition of infrastructure -- i tell people, you know what i think infrastructure is? infrastructure gives people what they need to get to where they need to go, right? and so that's about roads and bridges. it's about broadband. it's about making sure our babies can drink clean water, and so getting the lead out of those pipes. when pe when we pass build back better, it will be about child care and elder care and what we need to do to support families. >> as the vice president was heading to ohio, a wisconsin jury acquitted rittenhouse on all charges stemming from the night she shot three people during protests in kenosha, wisconsin, last summer after police shot a black man, jacob blake, in the back. like i said, it was an america kind of day. joining us now to discuss, democratic congresswoman glenn moore of wisconsin, member of the cbc and house ways and means committee. congresswoman, thank you so much for being here on this historic night. >> oh my goodness. what a way to end the day with you, zerlina. good evening. >> thank you so much. it was a historic day, like i said. it was full of ups and downs, 85 minutes of kamala harris being the president, build back better passing through the house, but also the kyle rittenhouse verdict. that's what i want to start with. what's your reaction to the verdict? >> well, let me start out by saying -- by recalling something a late dwrens attorney, a good friend of mine once told me that not guilty is not the same thing as innocent. i think that's what we have here. i absolutely was not surprised by the verdict. you know, as soon as i realized that this judge was going to throw out the two very minor misdemeanor counts of his violating curfew as a 17-year-old, being out, and then carrying a weapon as an underaged person, that completely took the pathway, i think, to conviction of anything further than that. and then he protected this defendant's character. the jury never heard anything about rittenhouse's state of mind, you know, shortly after, during this event when he walked around with a t-shirt saying free as eff, and hanging out with white supremacists groups and so on. you know, as a black person, i probably am seeing what a fair trial looks like in a twisted way. >> one of the things you mentioned is the fact that there's a lot of evidence, obviously, that we can talk about here that wasn't necessarily in the jury room as the jury deliberated. so i think the specifics about this particular case, people are going to be talking about that until the end of time. in terms of the bigger picture and what's happening in this country, i think this trial happens within the context of the two other trials related to white vigilante violence, the charlottesville civil trial and also the trial of the men who killed ahmaud arbery down in georgia. do you think this verdict, this acquittal will embolden other white vigilantes or other folks to commit acts of violence against black lives matter protesters or anyone who stands up on behalf of civil rights? >> well, that's the chilling concern and worry about this. i was never for the open carry law. we have far too many guns as it is in our society. again, rittenhouse got off with some technicality how the state statute was written that allowed him to have this ar-15, this underage would-be safety patrol officer. i wonder if this is not going to spread. and where is zerlina, i've heard and i have seen that the so-called second amendment consortium of groups and, you know, white supremacists are offering him all kinds of internships and opportunities. it is very frightening the message that it sends beyond the jury's -- what they had in front of them, their, quote, unquote, not guilty verdict versus the reality that he is being buoyed and elevated, you know, and has really shown little to no remorse about having killed people, and only being concerned about his own plight in my estimation. >> one of the things, i think, we have to keep in mind here is all of this stuff is happening at the same time we're in this global pandemic. as i mentioned, on the flip side of things, kamala harris assumed the powers of the presidency today for 85 minutes. speaker nancy pelosi led the democrats through the process of passing transformative legislation today. this is america in so many ways. what are your thoughts on the fact that all of this is happening at the same time? do you see a connection between, you know, the most diverse congress that you are a part of currently and the demographic shift in america, and also the rise in white vigilanteism and an emboldened nationalist movement in this country? do you see a connection? >> absolutely. even though we had a great day, we passed the build back better bill, the bif, we still are unable so far to get voting rights and criminal justice reform, which, you know, we see that we need some sort of reform just from the decision that was made today. i mean, you know, i don't contest to what the jury decided given what was in front of them, but it really begs the question as to whether or not we are going to allow people to run through the streets when they feel threatened to start to shoot people. and so our inability to pass justice reform and voting rights is still an element that worries and concerns me about our ability to truly have a transformative society that looks at equality and justice for all. as you know, democrats have some headwinds in terms of history with regard to keeping control of the senate and the house. but i do think that with this build back better bill, we're demonstrating who is actually contributing to the growth of our economy in a healthy way. i mean, think about the supply chain problems that we've had, yet we're going to build up our ports and airports and we're going to kill -- we're going to work on stopping the virus, which, zerlina, i said it today. my god, kevin mccarthy talked for eight hours and 32 minutes and didn't mention the pandemic one time as being the reason that we're having high prices and supply chain problems. went on to blame it on kindergarten and giving people insulin at no more than $35 a month. you know, i mean, you know, you would think in eight hours and 32 minutes, all this lust for that one minute on the floor, and he had eight hours and 32 minutes and a congressional research paper report that told him that this -- you know, that all of this inflation, which is problematic, for gas prices, for food, is because of the pandemic. and, you know, so it's frustrating on many levels, but i feel that we're going to be able to demonstrate within the next year that we have really improved people's lives. people are going to see it within the next year with projects starting, with being able to get health care in places like wisconsin, which couldn't get the affordable care act, and i am just thrilled. like i said, this is a great, great day all in all. >> it was a roller coaster, but i think that a transformative piece of legislation like this one, we will see the impact on american lives and everybody is going to make the case for re-election next year. kevin mccarthy, i guess the pandemic didn't come to mind in that eight hours. congresswoman gwen moore, thank you so much for starting us off on this friday night. please stay safe. joining us now is maya wiley, civil rights professor and msnbc legal contributor. also maria theresa kumar, president and ceo of vo toe latino and msnbc contributor. so glad you're both here with me on this very consequential day. how do you square the progress that we're seeing democrats make legislatively with this verdict today, and the fact that conservatives are celebrating kyle rittenhouse and the acquittal? >> you know, i think at the end of the day what we require in washington is leadership and it's what we've seen and what we've gotten that recognizes what the daily life experiences are of americans, and that includes everything from struggling just to be able to take care of your family and meet your family's needs and build it back. where you get $300 to $400 in your pocket every month on one of your top three costs of living, which is child care, but also your most precious, precious resource for our country and for any family, which is our children. it's exactly the kind of leadership we need. but what we haven't gotten in d.c. -- and i think representative moore said this really well -- is a recognition that we also need to be a country of peace. but peace is a choice, and it does not come in the absence of justice. and so unless we're paying attention to the way we have to change laws and practices that do not protect us all equally, then we are always going to be in danger of the kind of violence that we saw, and i absolutely agree that that requires both leadership in congress. i'm thinking about what reforms can be made nationally, but it also means that we have to take back the state houses because the self-defense laws that are being used to essentially shield people from violence because they were afraid and far too often that means people who are white who are afraid of people who are not, that that's not equal protection of the laws, and that that means that we also have to build up our capacity to do what democracy calls us to do, and that's solve our shared problems. and justice is a shared problem because, as we saw in rittenhouse, while race was the pre-cursor, when people who are white stood up to demand we improve the criminal justice system, they too became victims of injustice. and that we have to change. >> maria, it's so true that all of these things are happening at once and we really have to live up to that idea that equal justice turned law is a thing we have here. it's in our constitution and we need to live up to that. but what's your reaction to the split screen between legislative progress and yet a step backwards in terms of this verdict and what it means to the people who are allied with folks like kyle rittenhouse and those groups? >> so what we saw today in the courthouse, that verdict actually speaks to the case book example of why we need critical race theory. talk about the layers of implicit bias in our institutions, in the courthouse, in the hearing. we saw the judge who, by the way, is an elected official. this is how you see explicitly what happens when you stand on the sidelines. he had no business on that bench. what we saw today at the same time in washington, d.c., were people who understood implicit bias, who understood what critical race theory is, that there is literally, sadly, remnants of a past that has to be rectified. the infrastructure bill that was signed into law just on tuesday, zerlina, speaks to the importance of looking and addressing our infrastructure because it is a testament sadly of implicit bias in our policy-making and in our institutions. and so right now we know that this is where they're trying to divide us as a nation, but what we saw signed today was a multicultural america who gave joe biden and the democrats a mandate in 2018 and they said we need pieces of legislation passed that speak to our values in multicultural america. mitch mcconnell was trying to hold it back. and then the democrats were delivered the house, the white house, and senate, and this is what it means. it means we're going to address the sins of our past. but it doesn't mean that it happens overnight. and sadly, what i feel so badly for right now is the family of those two individuals who taught their sons right, who understood what it meant to be allies and what it meant to be the future of america, and the court has failed them. and what we need to do is to stand locked arms recognizing that we are living in an incredible moment in america where the majority of us, a multicultural america, deeply believe in our rales and future. and what happened in rittenhouse is the remnants of the past, but we have to continue to stand together. and i know that right now a lot of folks are having a very hard time, but i have to remind folks, we won, because we knew exactly what donald trump was trying to stand for, and we locked hands and we voted and we have to keep that fierce fire in our belly, ladies, so that we can continue doing it for the midterms, otherwise they will try to get us back to the future and we're saying, hell, no way. >> on a night like tonight, i can't help but think of that history because i'm sitting in front of a photo of my grandfather who marched in salma. we're marching towards progress and whatever that looks like, i hope you all are there. maya wiley, maria theresa kumar, thank you so much for joining us tonight. coming up on this historic night, an naacp president derrick johnson will talk about american justice and the implications of the conservative right making a hero out of kyle rittenhouse. -had enough? 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>> it was unfortunate for the families of the victims with this outcome. we all witnessed and seen on screen what happened. but it's a true tale what have we need to do amusing forward. this judge has been unopposed. i hope the community takes note and recognizes this particular judge is not providing justice for that community. in addition to that, the jury pool question is a real question that we must embrace in the way in which we increase the number of people who are registered to vote and willing to serve on juries. it was an injustice. this was worst than the emmitt till trial. this was worse than so many trials where we know for a fact individuals committed murder and yet they were not brought to justice. it is unfortunate, but this is america. >> do you think that it emboldens other people to pick up guns and go to protests or, you know, communities of color to terrorize folks? i mean, i feel like one of the dangerous precedents this sets is people who don't live in a particular community will go to where unrest is after a police shooting -- we've seen police shootings far too often. >> this is the legacy of the trump administration. it is about the otherness and emboldens so many people, whether it's in charlottesville or the synagogue pittsburgh, or in this case where people feel like it is okay to display their white supremacist behavior in the public square. unfortunately, for the families of the victims of this murder, here's a 17-year-old who came across state lines with a firearm that he purchased illegally, driven by his mother to a community that did not invite him, protecting property that was not his property, and to support law enforcement officers who didn't need support. and so there is no logical reason for him to be there. the fact that this judge dismissed the armed charges shouldn't have been dismissed. the real question was was a federal crime committed? should they bring federal charges in this case? do we have a u.s. attorney that's been appointed in this jurisdiction so we can look at whether or not this young man should be charged? you and i both know had this person been african-american or latino, he would be behind bars tonight. and unfortunately, unfortunately the families of the victims will not receive justice. >> what is the role of civil rights organizations in this particular moment? how do you see your role with an organization like the naacp that's connected to this long history? i see this case as a part of the history that we're all living through. how do you see your place in it? >> well, it's definitely a part of history we're living through. the reason the naacp was created because on average african-americans were being lynched every day when we were created in 1909. we want to reform our criminal justice systems too in terms of the communities we represent. we must encourage a hiding engagement, particular when you have judges that are elected or jury pools that are not as diverse as necessary it was not sad part of what we're witnessing right now is the potential outcome of the ahmaud arbery killing that those three individuals actually did. we've seen it on tape. unfortunately in that community with 25% african-americans, only one juror, we are unfortunately faced with the same outcome. we cannot have a justice system that is unjust. we have a legal system that's void of justice for african-americans and latinos across the country, and many cases, poor whites as well. >> thank you so much for being here on this historic night. please stay safe. coming up, one thing to remember about america. our government is much more republican than the actual people. and republicans, they want to keep it that way. that's up next. rbal sleep to people who were tired of being tired. i've never slept like this before. i've never woken up like this before. i feel like doing things... and then doing other things after those things. it's hard to explain, i'm just back. crafted with clinically studied plant-based ingredients that work naturally with your body. i feel really good. for restorative herbal sleep, like never before. when i break a long run i'm talking long long. that's why i use old spice triple protection sweat defense. old spice works harder for longer. hey derrick man, you gonna be much longer? 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and what would that actually look like for an election to happen, and yet the rigged game, you know, it doesn't allow for the voters and their voices to actually count or be heard? what does that actually look like in practical terms? >> it's absolutely a coordinated effort. there is an attempt to try to overturn the election. there is an insurrection. when they failed at doing that, they decided to try to achieve the same goals through other tactics. so the first thing they did after the insurrection was make it harder to vote in all of these key states like georgia, texas, florida. then after making it harder to vote, they then are passing the gerrymandered maps to undermine fair elections. so you make it harder to vote and then you make it so there's no one to actually vote for because so many of the election results are pre-determined, competitive seats are taken off the table. what it looks like is in states that are basically 50/50, they're drawing maps to give republicans 60% of seats, 70% of seats, in some cases 80% of seats. they're also taking almost all of the competitive races off the table. so once republicans take power, once they retake the house through gerrymandering and lock and control the state legislatures, it's going to be very difficult to vote them out of power and to hold them accountable and to have a functioning democracy in places like georgia, places like ohio, and places like texas. >> so if that's the case, what is the short-term solution? is it only federal legislation? and then what? >> well, the most impactful solution by far is federal legislation because there really is no institute for congressional action. there is no substitute for the voting rights act of 1965 and there's no substitute for restoring the voting rights act and passing the freedom to vote act today because it's really hard to outlitigate these maps. congress has to make partisan gerrymandering illegal. they have to make what georgia and texas and ohio are doing unconstitutional. and they have the power to do that, but democrats aren't using the power they have to protect voting rights, so it's not a fair fight. republicans are doing everything they can to rig democracy, but because of a few democratic holdouts on the filibuster, democrats are doing everything they can right now to protect democracy, and they aren't showing the same amount of urgency that republicans are. >> ari berman, always great to talk to you. thank you so much for being here on this friday night. please stay safe. joining us now are the ceo of the new george project which is working to protect voting rights in the state of georgia. and helen butler, executive director. georgia coalition for the people's agenda, a nonprofit advocating for voting rights, criminal justice reform, housing, and education. ensay, i'll start with you, the princeton gerrymandering project gave the state senate map drawn up by georgia republicans a big fat "f," an "f," that's bad. that's failing. that's not passing. and the draft republican congressional map got a "c." that's better, not great. my parents would be upset. how has this affected your day-to-day work? >> it's had a profound effect on not only my day-to-day work, but the country that i live in and the rights that i have enjoyed up to this point. i mean, we're talking about roe v. wade on the chopping block before the end of the year quite possibly. we're talking about an attack, continuous back-to-back grievous blows to our democracy, making it more difficult for young people to vote, for poor folks, for people of color. having to, you know, have conversations about these distractions when we all see what is happening. you've laid it out. ari's laid it out. my nephew can look and see that this is an attempt to take their ball and go home, that the current rules that have been set out of how our elections are conducted do not serve the interests of the minority party, that fewer people are aligning with the gop's platform, and so in order for them to hold on to power, they're going to cheat. that's why we have 400 anti-voting bills being introduced in 48 out of our 50 united states. so it's making our lives very difficult. it has a real-life impact on us. i pointed out earlier today that the judge in the rittenhouse trial is an elected official who has run unopposed several times, that being able to exercise the franchise, being able to choose our leaders, people who are going to cogorsuch with the people and in the interest of their constituencies is our democracy, it is how we, you know, express our values. it's how we run our country, and it's being attacked right now. >> and helen, in terms of those anti-voting laws, georgia has one. they passed it on the state level this year. what practical -- what obstacles have been created by the law for voters in the state of georgia? >> zerlina, i tell you, every obstacle you can think of is from being able to exercise your right to vote via an absentee balloting, not being able to be given water while you stand in long lines. it's really -- the real threat is the takeover of every aspect of the election process, and gerrymandering goes right along with it because it is taking total control of every aspect for us to be able to exercise that precious right to vote. georgia has this long history of racial discrimination, and this is continuing that process. people of color were the largest demographic that increased in the 2020 census. 10% increase. and all that was people of color. while the white population basically decreased. but what we see our legislators doing is trying to maintain total control of all aspects of government. and really they're targeting boards of education, going after boards of commissioners, and especially ones that are headed by women, black women. and so they are really going after total control of the process. our only option is to fight back in court and to fight back at the ballot box. but of course, as ari has said and nse has said, that is going to be a difficult challenge. but we're up to the task, and we are going to continue this fight to have our right to vote. >> you know, there's a lot of criticism of, you know, the idea of being woke. but this is the reason why you need to wake up because these things are happening. as an american voter, everybody needs to be paying close attention because we see you. we see what you're doing. nse, helen reimbursement, thank you both for joining us on this historic night. coming up, icus in minnesota are nearly at capacity less than a week away from the thanksgiving holiday. that's up next. ♪♪ hi mr. charles. we made you dinner. aww, thank you. ♪♪ you get more with aarp medicare advantage plans from unitedhealthcare. like $0 copays on tier 1 and tier 2 prescription drugs. ♪ wow! ♪ ♪ uh-huh. ♪ so go ahead. take advantage now. ♪ wow! ♪ i don't just play someone brainy on tv - i'm an actual neuroscientist. and i love the science behind neuriva plus. unlike ordinary memory supplements, neuriva plus fuels six key indicators of brain performance. more brain performance? 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you see them as a critical care physician? >> without a doubt. you know, i can't give you the absolute percentage, but but it is in the high 90% of patients we see are unvaccinated. unfortunately, we have had a couple of breakthrough cases, but really in honesty most of those breakthrough cases then occurred in people who had other underlying conditions, for instance, it's now well established that people who are on immunosuppression for organ transplant in particular things like kidney or heart transplant are -- haven't had the same response to the vaccine as people who are not on those medications, but, yeah, everyone -- just about everyone that i am seeing in the icu is not vaccinated and that's been consistent since vaccines have been available. >> that is the consistent thing we're hearing from doctors and experts and so as of today if you are over 18, boosters are available. get your booster, get your vaccination, you heard it here from the doctor firsthand. dr. joshua hillster, thank you for being here and please stay safe. coming up, america's first woman president, that's up next. e i was trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of people living with bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place... ...and be hard to manage. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. this is where i want to be. latuda is not for everyone. call your doctor about unusual mood changes, behaviors, or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. elderly dementia patients on latuda have an increased risk of death or stroke. call your doctor about fever, stiff muscles, and confusion, as these may be life threatening... ...or uncontrollable muscle movements, as these may be permanent. these are not all the serious side effects. now i'm back where i belong. ask your doctor about latuda and pay as little as $0 for your first prescription. ♪ my songs know what you did in the dark ♪ ♪ so light 'em up, up, up light 'em up, up, up ♪ ♪ light 'em up, up, up ♪ ♪ i'm on fire ♪ ♪ so light 'em up, up, up light 'em... ♪ as a dj, i know all about customization. ♪ i'm on fire ♪ that's why i love liberty mutual. they customize my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. how about a throwback? 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>> yeah, this is a question i often get from students and try to remind them that i think we are part of a very long story and so this story of bright spots followed by darkness or bright spots together with darkness are a part of our long history in addition to the things you talked about in politics we could think about slavery and reconstruction and so these things tend to go together but i think it's important for us to use those bright spots to take them into find joy in them as we continue the work. it's important we don't get bogged down in the dark spots we celebrate the bright spots when they happen because it's necessary to hold on to that kind of thing when we need to continue to work and doing the voter registration and turnout and fighting against the redistricting we were just hearing about or figuring out how not to get covid and can remember those good times. >> i just want to end on a positive note. what does it mean for a howard alumni to be the first woman president? i mean, why are hbcus like howard so important to historic moments like this? >> they're really important to these historic moments. they've been important before we knew or before we were talking about them in the popular media but it is the case that people come to these places and get a very clear sense of themselves and a clear sense of what the world expects from them and how they might be perceived in the world and so this equips them to go out and be the change that we want to see in the world so they are very important for that reason. but in particular, it's a wonderful time to be eaching at howard university with the vice president of the united states being a grad because those students can feel that energy and they can feel like they can do it too. >> i didn't mean to shade hampton university. i love hampton university but as kamala d. harris would say, the vice president, the real hu is howard university so i had to say it at the top on this historic night, please stay safe. that is tonight's "last word." catch me every week at 6:00 p.m. on the choice from msnbc exclusively on peacock. 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