mark meadows served as donald trump's final white house chief of staff before that he was a congressman from north carolina. and like steve bannon, he's refusing to comply with the subpoena for records and testimony. one six committee met today, there said to be taking a hard look at criminal contempt referral, just like they did with bannon. the ap reporting committee, betty thompson, says meadows still has time to answer his subpoena but he warms he won't likely won't wait indefinitely. -- one committee member made it clear, discussions about won mark meadows are at a serious stage. >> we are had a very good discussion, making sure that all of the elements that would be necessary to support a prosecution are present. we met with the committee lawyers, and i would say this discussion is very much ongoing. we are going to pursue every piece of evidence, so when we are through will be able to tell the american public and our colleagues here in the congress, everything there is to know. so that we can take appropriate action, whether it's a revised in the electoral count it, revisiting the insurrection act, or a number of many other things that we want to take a look at. >> congresswoman lofgren added more subpoenas are coming but would not say when. the committee cites meadows having been with trump on january six, as one big reason they're hoping to hear from him. meadows has also reported to have played a role in sending that memo to mike pence's chief of staff explaining, how the vice president could refuse to certify biden's 2020 victory. reports indicate there was one of four such memos, detailing how trump could remain in power by stealing it back, despite having lost the election fair and square. ap says the house select committee is also considering a possible contempt referral, against the author of a similar document circulated around the justice department. lawmakers say that former doj lawyer, jeffrey clark showed up for his deposition, but was uncooperative. senate report says, clark try to pressure justice into backing trump's false claims of election fraud. meanwhile, trump's attorneys are busy with his lawsuit to try to keep his white house records away from this committee at all costs. today, they filed documents with the federal appeals court asking judges to support this claim of executive privilege, arguing a defeat would open the door for lawmakers to harass their political rivals. courtroom arguments in the case is scheduled for november 30th, tomorrow the house is expected to address what many say is a clear cut example of political harassment. with potentially dangerous implications. lawmakers will vote to censure republican congressman paul gosar of arizona for posting that altered animated video, that depicts him killing aoc and attacking the president. they'll also vote to strip him of his assignments on the oversight and natural resources committee. >> he made threats and suggestions about harming a member of congress. that is an insult, not only in endangerment of that member of congress -- to the institution of the house of representatives. we cannot have members joking about murdering each other as well as threatening the president of the united states. >> while it remains to be seen just how many republicans will vote against their arizona colleague both republicans on this one six committee, that will be liz cheney and adding adam kinzinger, say they will vote to censure paul goes are tomorrow. all of this unfolding as the current president kicks off a natural tour to talk about who's just signed legislation to rebuild our crumbling national infrastructure. today, joe biden was in woodstock, new hampshire. tomorrow, he heads to detroit. in addition to, selling his new plan for and roads and bridges, he's also making a pitch for his other policy initiative. let's not forget that nearly two trillion dollar social spending bill. >> my plan to build back better, for our people. it's gonna reduce inflation. i'm confident that the house is gonna pass this bill, and when it passes it will go to the senate. and we get it passed within a week. >> house democratic leaders are pushing to pass the bill this week, speaker pelosi's already said nobody's leaving for thanksgiving until that's done. as for the presidents others domestic priority, the pandemic, there is concerning news on that front tonight. rising covid cases across the country are sparking fears of some sort of holiday search, again. nbc news reports the fda maybe just away from -- just days away rather, from authorizing booster shots for everyone who wants one over the age of 18. we'll have more on the covid headlines later in this broadcast. also tonight, the jury in the trial of kyle rittenhouse resumes a second day deliberations in just a few hours. juror spend about eight hours considering the charges today before being sent home for the night. rittenhouse himself helped randomly select the trials six alternate jurors. the remaining 12 jurors from the pool of 18 are now considering his fate. with that, let's bring in our starting line. on this tuesday night. our guest to start us off. peter baker, veteran journalist and author chief white -- correspondent for the new york times. -- white house correspondent for pbs news our, moderator of washington week, also on pbs. and chuck rosenberg, justice department veteran, former u.s. attorney, for near senior fbi official who notably happens to be the host of nbc podcast the oath. good evening, and welcome to you all. yamiche are we going to find out if this committee is contempt to curious, or how serious they are. because if the your mark meadows, don't you have reason to think, oh, i don't know let's try our hand at beat the clock. it looks like bannon is going to take his time going through the halls of justice. >> well, based on my conversations with sources and also on public comments, the lawmakers that are on this committee, there are very very serious. about trying to make sure the subpoenas are enforced. let's remember that steve bannon, who has now indicted on federal charges, he's in a different category because he wasn't working at the white house. so, in some ways when you have a mark meadows was trying to claim executive privilege, this is sort of another person who could be used in this example for a lot of the people that they subpoenaed who were working in the white house. so for my understanding, we're not sure if they're actually gonna vote on the contempt shards. but we should be looking at these activities, these increasing subpoenas as really a sign that these lawmakers are not just gonna take a note from mark meadows. not taking being stood up lightly. >> peter baker, did anyone in biden world, in the scope of your reporting, for cnn effort, not by them, by congress and an independent doj, to in effect go after prior enemies from a prior administration. the difference being, of course, this is an actual department of justice and not a wing of the west wing. >> yeah, i think this was always inevitable likelihood that they saw. that members of congress saw. because we know that the trump tactic has been to withstand or defy congressional efforts to oppose -- oversight that was true, the first impeachment, that was true during the number of committee inquiries in the last two years were president trump's term. we know that there's their approach. the difference is you have a democratic justice department, instead of to trump's justice department. and they're depart -- enforcing the subpoenas. now, steve bannon doesn't seem to mind that he's been charged criminally and he's gonna have this fight. he seems to almost be relishing it. make some kind of a martyr for his side of the political spectrum. mark knows in the slightly different position, obviously he also is on the right side of of the political right of the political republican party. but as yamiche ed, he is a white house staff -- he's never been quite the anarchists that steve bannon likes to play. even on the other side, these legislative executive fights before, but he's got a president, a former president, who's telling him not to talk. and so he probably has a stronger congress case, but does it mean as you have a stronger case once a judge gets a hold of him. we haven't seen anything like this is a nixon era in the 1970s. >> chuck, i'd like to play for you some of the comments from bannon's lawyers, trump's former impeachment lawyer, mr. show in. and after we play those, we've taken the liberty of a budding some of the comments from bannon himself that maybe a bit of a counter weight to what his attorney says here. >> as a lay person -- in my view at least, and based on the vice he got from his lawyer, mr. bannon had no choice. i met him yesterday for the first time. what i will tell you this, having met him, i would not believe for a second that mr. bannon, in any way, intended for there to be condone, i accepted, ratified or otherwise any violence on january six or any other day. i just don't believe it. >> it's going to be quite extraordinarily different, and all i can say is strap in, the war room a posse, you've made this happen, it's game day. all house is gonna break loose tomorrow. it's going to be moving, it's gonna be quick. >> so, chuck, is the lesson here for anyone else students in the audience, perhaps spend more time with your client before saying what he did on cnn? >> you know, brian, mr. bannon seems to know more about what mr. bannon's thinking that mr. bannon's lawyer does. yeah, that's exactly right. but look, all of these things that they are saying publicly are for public consumption. it doesn't really matter when you are inside the courthouse what you say outside the courthouse to try and influence public perceptions. what matters is what happens in the courthouse. the evidence that seduced, the things that a judge rules as admissible or an inadmissible, and the arguments that you make to the jury. if this ends up in front of a jury. so, it's interesting to hear bannon and bannon's own words, but it doesn't really have any effect on the trial of steve bannon. and that's what we ought to keep our focus on. >> yamiche, i want to read you something that is the definition of chutzpah. we knew these would be coming, this is merely the first. this is a tweet from a republican member of congress, down in alabama. this is really fantastic. completion of birmingham's northern belt line has been a priority of mine since i was elected to congress, and new funding for the project has now passed. see my full statement here. yamiche, the only problem is he voted against it. so, are republicans going to continue doing this with a straight face? >> absolutely. and that tweet reminds me of the moment where president biden, when he was speaking about infrastructure one point, pulled out this card that listed a number of republicans who were sort of touting infrastructure even though they were pushing back on the idea of getting infrastructure. so, you have, just today, the republican national -- saying that this is reckless spending, saying that president biden is going to regret the fact that he pushed through this bipartisan infrastructure bill and signed into law. but now you already have republicans realizing that americans, who are in the middle of a pandemic, who are in the middle of paying more for everything and gas to turkey, they're now looking at their roads and bridges getting fixed, or at least about to getting fix, and least the government doing something for me. look no further than new hampshire, where the president went for today, you have an 80 year old structure that is now on the repair list since at least 2013, 2014, for repairs. the president rightly went there and said this is the type of issue that we want to solve. and when you talk to political analysts, whether the republican or democrat, the one thing they can agree on is that republicans and democrats have been really focusing on infrastructure. saying they want to do this for a number of presidencies, and here is president biden hoping that this 1.2 trillion dollar bill that it helps him, not only sort of convince americans that the governments working for them but that his administration in particular is really an administration that should be getting their support as we see the presidents polling numbers have been sinking. so this is really the white house trying to go on a tour, as we see, he's gonna be in the detroit tomorrow, trying to convince americans, look at what we did for. you and of course, i go back to that tweet that you just put up, i think we're gonna see more tweets like that. >> and, coming right off yamiche's point, peter, the question that doesn't call for a judgment on your part but rather the democrats. you are talking to buy wave here, daily reporting. is there still a messaging deficit? if you live in kings burr, new jersey, or kia cook, iowa. are you any closer to knowing what you're going to get? i guess we know that new hampshire is getting a bridge and portman mentioned yesterday, ohio is getting a bridge. but there is there still that deficit? >> well, they are not going to accomplish this in one or two years after the bill signing. this is going to have to be for them a sustained effort to sell this program to the public. now, they start off with an advantage. the public is generally for it. the last abc poll shows that 64% of americans supported the infrastructure package. they want their bridges and they want their courts, and airports, and broadband. now, for biden the problem is translating that into political support for him. it's the same polls show him at 41%. they're not giving him credit for this accomplishment. so he wants to get out there and he wants to say look what i'm doing, we're finally delivering for you, this is what he promised in the campaign. he's gonna have to do more than just a couple stops this week to make that point. but the bigger question for him is can you get the next bill through? because if he doesn't turn this into momentum for the next bill, that becomes really problematic for him. that becomes really problemati for him. chuck rosenberg, a legal question. when bannon raised the notion of privilege, everyone said right away, well, you weren't with the government. he had long since left on his journey of personal growth and personal grooming. mark meadows, however, was right there, and if he was right there in the oval office alongside the president up to an including january 6th, does he have a different privilege case? >> he has a different case. but there are two issues here, brian. when is, there is a former president, does he have residual privilege? the answer is yes, according to a 1977 supreme court case. well practically, no, because the court also said that in that case, whatever residual a former president enjoys, it's really determined by the current president. we'll to that person because that person speaks for the republican makes decisions on his behalf. that's issue number one. because the really important second issue is that if bannon or meadows or anyone else, for that matter, you or myself, rely on the advice of an attorney in good faith, and the attorney tells us something that turns out to be wrong, but we still believe her and we still act on her advice, we may have an advice of counsel defense. that's something to look for in the bannon case, whether he relied on council. in meadow's case, he may want an argument of privilege, and they want to litigate privilege and abide by that decision, or have someone else litigate it. but it's not a completely frivolous case for someone, like meadows, who, as you pointed out, is part of someone's trump's inner circle when he is president. it's not as frivolous as someone like biden, who is out of the white house and not a government employee serving. >> much obliged to our starting lineup, peter baker, yamiche alcindor and chuck rosenberg. thank you very much for starting us off. coming up, joe biden has a bridge repair he wants to sell you. how is that effort going? our political experts will weigh into that. and later, the proud new england state that beat covid until it didn't. wet went wrong and what can the rest of the country can learn from the soaring infection rates they are and in other parts of our country. all of it as the 11th hour is just getting underway on this tuesday night with thomas jefferson in the distance. the distance. it protects the 8 areas dentists check for a healthier mouth. the #1 toothpaste brand in america. crest. you have always loved vicks vapors. and now you'll really love new vicks' vapostick. it goes on clear and dries quickly. no mess. just the soothing vicks' vapor for the whole family. introducing new vicks vapostick. with xfinity home, you can keep your home and 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says the goal is a vote by christmas, but that only wants us -- after completing the signing ceremony for the trillion dollar infrastructure bill, mr. biden returns to a much harsher reality. historically low approval ratings, unified republican opposition to the centerpiece of his domestic policy, growing alarm in his party about the prospect of losing control of congress next year and a surprising surge in inflation. put it that way, it sounds serious. back with us tonight, juanita tolliver, veteran political strategist to progressive causes, and amy starter of real clear politics. juanita, how much pressure is on democrats elected members of congress, to pass that second bill? >> let me put it this way. they hear, every time the clock ticks down, they are feeling the weight of time running out on them, especially ahead of the midterms. and they know they have to deliver. i think that what was a helpful indicator about the need to deliver was that washington post abc poll that shows 63% of people support the bipartisan deal, 58% support the build back better plan, but 51% would still vote for republicans. i think that ties to the fact that democrats know that they have to move quickly to pass the legislation so that people feel the tangible benefits and see the impact in their lives. ahead of next november. and so the sooner they pass this, the better, and you are hearing that urgency, not only like in the timeline you mention that schumer got into, but also when nze pelosi said. they know that people want it, they know that they have to deliver on it so that they have to feel it, and that they have some kind of advantage going into the midterms. >> so, a.b., the nation turns its lonely eyes to you. what are the chances they will pass that bill by christmas? >> anytime you say by christmas, if you are admitting that it could slip into the new year, they have a bunch of perilous deadlines coming up with government funding and the increasing of the debt ceiling by december 3rd. that's really in legislative days with fans giving around the corner. legislative days are the time that members of congress spent here, it's not a lot. if you say by christmas, unfortunately, combined with senator joe manchin's stated -- publicly stated desire to keep this into next year, it's making democrats nervous that this could slip into january. this is extremely challenging once it goes to the senate. will it go through the house quickly next week or so? probably. they will fall into line over on the house side, as the speaker wishes and do this before they leave for thanksgiving. it's when it gets to the senate when it's going to be revisited. and we don't know which programs will actually kick in if they make it into the final draft before the midterm elections. will voters actually feel different provisions that democrats are touting right now in the bill that are popular with voters? all of this is up to a 50/50 senate and dealing with those holdout senators, once it is over there. so no, no, we do not know what will be in the final bill. we don't know if those programs would be felt by voters by the midterm elections. we don't know if it will be voted on by christmas. this is really a tough time for democrats. they were excited about celebrating yesterday, no small thing that it was bipartisan, five republican senators were at the white house for this infrastructure signing. but they have stomach aches right now about the build back better fight going forward. >> indeed they do. and juanita, a lot of it keeps coming back to messaging. why can't the white house, serious question, hire an ad executive and ad agency, a television producer, someone with a specialty in selling? someone with a specialty in communication? selling things to, oh, i don't know, all 50 states? >> look, i think they are definitely relying on a lot of the democratic campaign committees to help with that work. but what you can fully expect to see is what we saw from today with the president, walking across that bridge, but also applying it to every other piece of investment that will come from the bipartisan deal, that people will feel a tangible impact with. whether that's getting access to the internet, getting access to clean water, whether that is the ports being cleared up quicker. we saw reports that port capacity has increased by 30%. things are moving. investments in freight and making sure that products yet to stores so that people have adequate selection. that's what this is going to come down to and that's what we need to hear, not only from the president, but all his cabinet mayors, mayors and governors. remember, he had those cabinet members at the signing as well. because they are messengers in their own communities. this needs to be a consistent drumbeat, not just this week, but every single day until the midterm elections. so voters know exactly what to expect, went to expected and who to think for it. >> our two learned guests have agreed to stay with us over this break. coming up, new reporting on how the republican leader is trying to take down divisions being caused by the man most people regard as mccarthy's boss. s mccarthy's boss. pter vitamin's we have been busy too. innovating, sourcing organic ingredients testing them... and fermenting. fermenting? yeah, like kombucha or yogurt. and we formulate everything. so, your body can really truly absorb the natural goodness. that's what we do. so you can do you. new chapter. wellness well done no reporting tonight is shining a light on gop leader, kevin mccarthy's efforts to get his own party in line in the wake of the bipartisan vote on infrastructure. some far-right members, of which we've reported, have started going up to their fellow republicans who had the temerity to vote to bring infrastructure back to their districts. sources telling nbc news, quote, at a closed-door house republican caucus meeting, mccarthy called on lawmakers to stay unified and not to attack their republican colleagues. mccarthy suggested that they should focus their fire on democrats on the build back better bill, one of the sources said. fortunately, still with us, juanita tolliver and a beast daughter. so a.b., you -- knew colin that argues that is republicans who are in an embarrassing disarray, not the democrats. do you concur with that thesis? >> well, i think that -- yes. the republican show continues and can torts into new embarrassing form on a monthly basis. it is certainly a hot mess. but the focus in this town and on the national news for the last couple years months, after that withdraw from afghanistan has been the democrats fighting with each other. and not able to meet their deadline for when they promised the bills were going to come, out of the house in the senate and get passed. and this extension, and this negotiation, and this promise, and this standoff. and this is been the focus it has taken all the heat off of the republicans as they continue to have internal squabbles about moving forward, with or without donald trump, and the loudest members on the right who are in service to donald trump create all the scandals, including congressman costar who is set out this video. where he is killing another member of congress. in what he said was just sort of a cartoon, and he was using it to appeal to young people. however, they take this every time they have these meetings, like today, where kevin or mccarthy gets up in a family fight tries to take everybody side and it doesn't resolve anything. they basically snore about this. they don't think it's reaching persuadable voters, they don't think that it's skating much notice. they feel that the majority, next year's and hand. there are gonna win no matter what. so, none of this really is material, the way that it made them, you know, a little bit more nervous before the 2020 election. now, they sort of think, our voters don't notice, it doesn't matter. we're gonna take the house back. i had, the democrats continue getting bad headlines, so -- and that polling. so, no big. we >> juanita, i'm very curious as someone, that being you, who watches the democrats so closely, especially in the house of representatives. i know that the latest retirement is congresswoman jackie speier of the blue where than blue democratic delegation, from the state of california. and in addition to having seniority and being an outspoken member, she has such a unique story among members of congress. by our an official count, she has survived more gunshots than any other elected official in washington. she was left for dead on the tarmac in jonestown, he anna. her boss, the congressman, was the one conducting the investigation. she later was able to run for, and win, that seat. it gives her a certain moral authority and especially on the issues that are dear to her. and i'm just curious, on top of all the pressure of the democrats in 2022, and we're not necessarily talking about a safe democratic district like this one, you must be counting down to the last noses. hoping for no more retirements, especially in swing districts. and hoping a few things break your way. >> i think that's exactly right, brian. in terms of just trying to hold the line as much as possible, recognizing how republicans in state houses across the country have -- essentially rigged the system with redistricting, and -- beyond recognition. and in order to secure some type of majority for republicans. but you're absolutely right, taking the fights across the country to every district, every straight, is a strategy that democrats are looking to deploy this midterm cycle. and that's something that hopefully could yield some type of returns, and i'm not talking about necessarily securing additional seats. versus maintaining as many seats as possible. i also think that, to the point a.b. made about republicans making a mess, i think that mess is going to continue. that extremism, that extends through trump and his leadership style, and through the the folks mccarthy can't -- could leave a bad taste in independent voters mouth. as well as some republican voters. especially if president trump moves forward with his plans to challenge some of his republicans in the house who voted for the infrastructure bill, or to continue to poison the republican party with this extremist approach. and let's be real, violent rhetoric, that a number of them have adopted. and that could ultimately lead to republicans undermining themselves in the midterms as well. >> as chris christie is finding out on his book tour, you can't simply wave away what the modern republican party has become. we pretend that it can be altered or changed with a wave of a hand. juanita tolliver, a.b. stoddard, i can't thank you enough. a terrific conversation tonight. thank you for your fourth right answers to our questions. coming up, one of our top public health experts on what we need to know about surging covid 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scientist. nbc news data showing over half our country now seeing an uptick in new cases. over the past two weeks, new cases in the state of new for a have jumped 60%. across new england cases have risen in every state but connecticut. back with us tonight at a critical time, doctor erwin rivlin, our founding -- for disaster for preparedness. he rises us on public health in his spare time he's a professor of previous tricks at all bridenstine college of medicine. doctor, as no one needs to remind you, vermont was a model of mitigation in new england. they are currently reporting a 72% vaccination rate. so, can you tell us why the resurgence there? and if it's happening there, god forbid states like north and south dakota, mississippi, alabama, and the like. new >> right, brian, we're at a very, very difficult and precarious situation in as far as why we might be expecting over the next couple of months. as doctor fauci said. and don't forget, the state of vermont got about 630,000 people in it, if it's 72% vaccinated, we're talking about 150 to 170,000 people not vaccinated. and here we come now rolling into the wintertime. the wintertime, i mean, the coronavirus could not wait for winter. we have people indoors, much, much more. we have feathery families gathering for the holidays. we have possible increases in virus transmissibility. and growth during the winter. and we have all this pool of unvaccinated people, i mean, the virus, if it was you or me would be completely excited. this is our season. the frustrating thing to, brian, is what we can do is we can vaccinate more. this is the big weapon. the ultimate tool to keeping you from getting sick and keeping your friends, relatives, neighbors, and community safe. and this is still, in my view, but pretty slow going. and i'm worried about this next couple of months. >> so, today's news the fda -- don't stop me if you've heard this before, on the verge of approving the pfizer vaccine. no questions asked for all american adults for their booster. i am guessing that approval in this case means that horrendous term emergency use authorization. the term upon which the anti-vaxxers base their criticism that it somehow and experimental vaccine has anyone in the united states government had the idea of changing that term? giving it a new designation? or are we that unable to get out of our own way? unable to get out of our own way well, i don't know whether people are actually thinking about that, brian, but it's a darn good idea. the fact of the matter is that that is your excuse for not getting vaccinated, then it has that designation, it's pathetic. i cannot be more polite about it but it's a sad state of affairs. you had your two vaccines of the moderna or pfizer variety, and it's more than six months since you've got it. your immunity level has been dropping. there is no question about that. and the booster shot will get it right back up to where it needs to be. but the problem is, of course, for the people who have already gotten vaccinated, getting a booster shot is illogical next step. but we still have millions -- and fauci said -- i think it's closer to 100 million americans, who don't have their first shot. so it's early to be speaking about the boosters, brian. but they need to wake up and smell the roses here and the roses are horrible and they are dangerous. and they mean that you, the unvaxed, maybe in for a very rough and dangerous winter of disease and fatalities. and that's the way it is. >> stay with me for this analogy, but friends of mine who are first responders say that the invention of narcan has made drug abuse more brazen, it's changed the notion of consequences, because narcan is a miracle drug. it's brought people right back to life. is that your fear. the relationship between this new drug, at $600 a throw, that you can take as treatment, versus the prophylactic vaccine, to prevent getting sick and hospitalized? >> you know, for doctors and people in the medical profession, brian, this is a very tough situation to sort out. because i have been talking about getting a medication you can take orally to treat the covid virus as a game-changer. it would be a game-changer and it is a game-changer. the problem is it can save lives. you have symptoms, you test positive for covid, you take this for five days and your symptoms should be gone. the problem is, we don't want, we don't want, people to think, well, now we have an oral medication, why bother getting vaccinated? that's what i'm concerned about. that's the caveat to this tremendously great information that pfizer and merck, overseas, have developed these new oral medications. we cannot let it stop people from getting vaccinated in the first place. because they think that their lives may be saved by the drug, so why bother getting vaccinated? >> our guest, again, tonight, with our thanks for giving us his answers, doctor irwin redlener. coming up, parts of the pacific northwest are 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tasting and easy way to start your day. area of the country at high risk of wildfires as powerful winds have moved. the same storm system has been battering the pacific northwest. now moving over the north central region of the u.s., as this image from our friends at noaa show us. our correspondent miguel has more on this storm and its damage left behind in washington state. >> this deadly and devastating deluge delivered unrelenting -- to the pacific northwest. a quadruple catastrophe. record rain, fierce flooding, whipping winds in multiple mudslides. >> it's a very bad way out they, are a lot of water. with northern washington state in the storms bull's-eye, more than 500 people have been forced from their homes as daily rescues unfold near the canadian border. >> -- >> the coast guard clutching a baby, and saving adults from fast rising waters. in just hours, six inches of rain swept the region, a state of emergency amid these deadly conditions. >> it's bad, it's pretty deep. >> sara ivan ho and her 15 year old son waited through freezing water until fishing boats could rescue them. >> it was up to our ankles, up to our waist in some parts. >> facing peril on both sides of the border, massive helicopters lifted 700 to safety. many tracked trapped overnight and a highway landslide killed at least one in canada. 40 inches of rain were dumped in 31 days, the wettest fall on record for seattle. with climate change fueling the intensity and frequency of storms like these, powerful gusts nearly toppled a big rig over the side of a towering bridge, as landslides we shape the geography ear. the brunt of the storm has passed but not the flooding. tonight, one disaster now followed by another for a region still deep in misery. >> incredible scenes there, our thanks to miguel almaguer, for filing that report. from that devastation in the pacific northwest, we turn to international relations. russia has really done at this time, said no one who ever worked for trump. worked for trump it was dangerous, reckless, irresponsible and we will and have been consulting with our allies and partners around the world to make clear to the russian federation and anyone else who would consider such a dangerous operation that this won't be tolerated. >> last thing before we go tonight, here is what our state department spokesperson was talking about there, and why even our secretary of state has criticized it. the russians have done something stupid and reckless. despite the robust support russia gets in primetime over on fox news, i doubt even they would support this one. in a piece of classically russian mines bigger than yours performance art, russia used its own weapon, fired from earth, to blow up one of its own satellites in orbit. here is why it was stupid and reckless. every dot in this computer animation represents a piece of space junk. from nuts and bolts to actual trash, from spent booster rockets to decommission satellites, the estimates start at 25,000 pieces of it, and now there are thousands more, thanks to this. and they stay up there for years, decades in fact, before they re-enter and burn up if they are lucky. here are the real world consequences. this is what it sounds like when nasa has to wake up the crew of the space station and have them get to a safe chamber. >> station, houston on space to ground to foreign early wake up. >> station copy. >> a mark, good morning. sorry for the early call. we were recently informed of a sad light break up and need to have you guys start reviewing the safe haven procedure. >> can you am agile and? there aren't that many places to go on board. they are ten documents or not with us on earth tonight because they are in space. seven of them are on our space station, including to russians. three of them are on board china's new space station. this move by russia has endangered all of them by a factor of four. here is the associated press, quote, even a fleck of paint can do major damage when orbiting at 70,500 miles per hour. something big, upon impact, could be catastrophic. axios absolutely goes there in terms of why this is the equivalent of putin biting a red corvette. it could also reflect a certain degree of insecurity on the part of the russians, harrison added, a space analyst. maybe they are insecure in their technology and they need to prove to themselves that they could still do, this indeed. that same expert used a space term referring to russia and we quote, they produced a crap load of debris and now we all have to live with it. it has been suggested that this would be a dandy job for any number of billionaires with spaceflight ambitions. unmanned spacecraft could ground up and capture at least a percentage of what's up there. and, it would be harder for the haters on earth to criticize a mission to save lives. just a thought. that's our broadcast for this tuesday night, with our thanks for being here with us. on behalf of all our colleagues at the network of nbc news, goodnight. c news goodnight. tonight, on all in, you >> within this warming states, if you wanted to you could take military purple and place them in other states and basically re-run an election in each of those states. >> new details on the lengths the trump team went to pressuring the pentagon to steal the election for him. and pushing bonkers theories about the head of the cia and a server in germany? >> it is so myth related to this, but i do not know where the good guys caught it or the bad guys got it. >> and democrats move to censure republican paul gosar for his threatening anime video, as republicans try to kick moderates to the curb. plus, we >> are running for governor and i want to tell you

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