you need to hear this. >> most people don't like him but he's a wonderful guy, tall, rich like my son. glenn, you are like my son. >> please don't say that. >> wow, "snl," new donald trump. he's good. >> yeah. james johnson. he also portrays president biden on the show with his take of the former president and the coal open there. he's amazing. that voice is triggering. i am triggered right now. >> it's great. good morning and welcome to "morning joe," it's monday november 8th. i think much more damming for aaron rogers with some nfl hall of famers are saying of what he did. we'll have that coming up. big bird triggers ted cruz. democrats on the other hand are legislating and friday was the bfd for the party. look at him coming in. this is so amazing. come on. >> yes. the new york city marathon. >> you know alex points out, mika, that's a real speed. we are thinking it's slow-mo, no, that's actually -- alex fell it's an actual speed. >> well, i can't wait to talk to willie. he did a great job and we are all rooting for him and he's doing it for parkinson's research. i know how much it hurts to run a race. you are running something that probably gets you through. and we'll talk to willie about that and plus the stalker. >> let's talk willie for a second here. first of all, a really good kind for the first time doing this is amazing. >> really is unbelievable how well he did and on top of that he was actually carrying an extra weight. >> he was. >> mika, it kind of surprised me that he made it through. at one point i thought he's going to be knocked over. >> it kind of came out nowhere, i don't know if we have it. do we have the video, there it's. this woman, this craving woman just jumps into his arms, turns out it's our own stephanie ruhle. i love her. >> so funny. i don't know how willie feels right now. i know what it feels like to be running a race like that and to carry her. she's light. he picks her up and carries her. >> can you imagine? i would have a taser if i were doing like 100 miles sprint. he picked her up and spun her around and kept on running. bill caron also had his personal best with will, he keeps on doing these things. you respect people that they can do things that you can never do. i would put this in that category. unbelievable. congratulations to bill caron and willie geist. willie is here at 8:00 talking about stephanie ruhle and all the other challenges. >> exactly. >> and what it must feel like to have that in the rear-view mirror because he's been training for months. >> with us, we have the host of "way too early," it was good jonathan lemire. i was watching this morning. you came hiding in the corner. >> i go where they tell me where the cameras are. >> that's your first mistake. >> don't listen to him. we'll do it right here. >> you should be right here at the end of the show. >> if i am here, joe's here and join us, what the heck. he's got to gate backbone here. >> host of msnbc's politics nation, reverend al sharpton is here. >> how was your weekend, rev? >> very good. i was glad that we ended up getting something good in terms of infrastructure, i am waiting on something positive to preach on sunday. i was glad. i was glad to see how the friday night gave me a thunderstorm. >> that gave you a case, something inspirational. finally. former treasury official and steve ratner is with us, great to see you. >> great to be onset. >> do you have church today? >> everyone now is going to wake up. >> and mika, one other quick thing, we didn't have a clip of this. steve ratner jumped out of his townhouse and and jumped of the fence and ran into willie geist's arms. >> aww, very nice. >> i didn't see phil. a lot of people saw willie and had a good sense to leave him alone. he was locked in. eye the tiger was on the head phones, he did great. congratulations. >> really big deal. >> and author and economic hea. let's start with aaron rogers. on friday indeed he was unvaccinated and sought alternate treatment. he say he was allergic to an ingredient of mrna. he says he's taken a drug generally used to -- the fox sports nfl sunday crew did not hold back yesterday when discussing rogers' decision to skip the vaccine but tell the public he was immunized. hall of fame coach, jimmie johnson and howard long calling that decision selfish while hall of famer michael strahan criticized rogers' use of martin luther king jr. but it was kerry bradshaw who had the harshest words. >> it would have been nice if he would come to the naval academy and learn how to be honest. learn not to lie and protect what you did. you lied to everyone. i understand you are immunized but what you are doing is taking stuff to keep you from getting covid-19. sorry folks, that's what it's. we are a divided nation politically and we are a divided nation on covid-19 whether or not to take the vaccine and we got players only think about themselves and i am disappointed in the actions of aaron rogers. >> howie long brought up a great point. when terry bradshaw is saying that to you. charlie daniels fan wrote in america about terry bradshaw. you go with your hands-on a pittsburgh steeler fan and you understand how tough america is. he's talking about the woke mob coming up. jonathan lemire. those were nfl legends and some of the toughest nfl legends who trust me are revered in red state america calling aaron rogers out for his selfishness. >> it's interesting how the league turned on aaron rogers. and rogers did two things here that i think a lot of people are going to have a hard time with. first of all, he lied, he chose his word "immunized," he dodged the question whether he was vaccinated or not when he was asked that in training camp. he also put his teammates in danger. he didn't follow the protocol nfl laid out for unvaccinated players. and he showed up to conferences with media members not wearing a mask. he gave an interview on friday that was so damaging, promoting conspiracy theories and attacking the woke mob and saying how joe roggin was his expert analyst. he could access any medical personnel he would like. he has all the money as well. his fall from grace the last two days has been stunning. the team lost without him this weekend and they looked hopeless. it's difficult to imagine him getting good grace and facing his teammates in the locker room when he does return from this covid-19 lever he's been placed on. i am not one to defend kyrie irving who's also not vaccinated and right now he's missing the entire season but at least irving made his choice and it went away. he's not promoting conspiracy theory in public form and rodgers did. >> and however long it took something that resonates is my attitude and it's your body, you can do whatever you want to do. when you are a leader of a team and when you are in a locker room and in tight spaces. your children at risk and parents at risk and family at risk. it's unbelievay reckless. when you are a quarterback and you are on an nfl team, you are in tight quarters and you need to get the vaccine, heather, it's like i got a friend who's a big trump fan, flew the trump flag way too long everyone after trump lost. just in casual conversation one day, i said what do you think of them making people in the military get the vaccine? he goes they're in the military. they follow orders and do what they're told to do. the military man in him got him going out there and getting the vaccine, too. that's the thing, people keep saying my body and my right. of course they say that only to vaccines and not when it comes for women's issues. it stops being your body or your rights when you are a police officer or when you play in a league that has tight protocols to protect your teammates. >> that's exactly right. i think americans are looking at that and saying my 19 years old who's working at as cashier at wendy's has to face the public at often times without masks. we are looking at schoolteachers and firefighters and people have been bearing the brunt who's been essential workers during this time period and the amount of burden that we put on working class people in society without a lot of child care and without reliable healthcare and retirement. we got multi millionaires who had every privilege in the world to play a game who are saying i am going to go on my own. that's the core question here and i think that has been a core tension of american life and the pandemic and the right-wing to double down on the antigovernment and in order to keep playing the long game which is their ideology and you don't want a strong government who has the power to mandate vaccines. that's the long games they are playing. on the right, every time an individual who's caught up in the right-wing media infrastructure sort of -- woke mob and all that, who's side am on on the cultural war site. people will die. fortunately, that's the minority of the country. i am going to take the vaccine and i am going to help my country recover. >> boy, that's great news. we always, we are talking about new york city workers and strikes that were going on and deals being done. nine out of ten new york city workers now have been vaccinated now. that's great news. by the way, we played you one "snl" clip. let's do one on aaron rodgers here. >> our first guest, nfl mvp aaron rodgers. now, aaron, you are not vaccinated so what, who the hell cares and it's your body and your choice. >> exactly, janine, it's my body and my covid. i can give it to whoever i want. suddenly the woke mob is coming after me. >> did you ever lie about being vaccinated? >> no, i never lied. hi took all my teammates in the huddle and got their faces three inches away from my wet mouth telling them trust me, i am more or less immimmunized. my record is still 7-1, meaning the eight people i infected, seven are fine. >> wow. >> reverend al, the part of this that is always and i have not figured out, i just have not figured out. if you are playing on a team day in and day out, you have been struggling with baseball of the first day of spring training or football's first early summer camps. you have been fighting hard and working hard with one goal is to win the super bowl. and my gosh, anybody that's ever played football understands how intense those fractures are and how much the focus is on getting to the end and winning every game. i will be honest with you, the same thing with red sox players who did not get the vaccines and red sox fought covid throughout the second half of the season that really hurt them a lot. you are going to pay millions of dollars to win games and not only you are stopping yourself from doing as well. aaron rodgers, he's a quarterback and leader of the team and he let his team down terribly and caused them the game yesterday. >> caused him a game and credibility with his team in terms of being a leader of the team and showing them spirit and how they function together. it's a height of selfishness that i am going to make a decision and i am going to lie about the decision and i am going to put people at risk, at least kyrie didn't lie. that is the real thing that has indicted people putting an indictment on what he's done. there is a biblical expression you and i always talk about, joe, much is give and much is required. the more you give and more elevation, there is a price for that. part of the price is if you are going to enjoy the public, you ought to be honest and try to protect them. >> it would be nice. moving onto president biden who celebrated the passage of the bipartisan infrastructure bill over the weekend. the key agenda items was passed in the senate earlier in yea and moved through the house with some republicans support late on friday. the president calling his investment of america historic. >> finally infrastructure week. i am so happy to say that. infrastructure week. folks, yesterday i don't think is an exaggeration that we took a moumental step as a nation. we are looking forward to have shovel in the ground to begin rebuilding america and for all of you at home who felt left behind in a economy that's changing rapidly, this bill is for you. >> steve, a lot of debate around the other bill that's still being any republicans can justify voting again and better roads and safer bridges and better broad band and cleaner water. this bill is helping us catch up years and years of neglect with america's infrastructure. there is moments tho one thought this was possible. we here in new york knows how urgently it is. and bridges and collapses all over the country that needs the money. it was done on a bipartisan basis and many moments when i think we all thought it's going to get pulled out and die along with other pieces of legislation and i am sure we'll be talking about. there are two other points to be made about it. one is not fully funded and we should recognize that and it's okay to invest in some things. half of the $570 billion is actually paid for. the second thing is inevitable and a lot of execution and money can't be spent wisely and produced what it's supposed to produce. there are things that is supposed to be done and there is a billion quarter dollars in there and railroad from minneapolis to duluth, i don't know how many people want to go by train. so we do have to be careful and you remember the obama administration they passed over 800 billion and there were questions asked about how well that money was spent. and so it's great to pass it but now we have to spend it the right way and get benefits that you just talked about. >> central valley of california, here i will come. i will be the first on that trail train and lemire and i there is nothing we love more than playing whistle ball in duluth. those are the two great ones for me. i am wondering how positive the president is looking right now of the passage of this bill and does it help to pass the bill back better bill in the coming weeks. is he confident? >> the end result is a gigantic win for the president. this is something he promised to do and majority in the house and senate and he was able to get republicans support. this is a significant win here and there will be questions of how it's spent but it's a gigantic accomplishment. it's only part one. there is a long way to go for part two. this is going to kick back and forth in the house and senate a bit. there is still despite the show of immunity, they'll have to mend, it was heroic effort by speaker pelosi to count tb vote and get it done. it's going to get only harder from here. the president was on the phone working with lawmakers, he made two different trips during this negotiation process, some what torture process. friday night he put out a statement and says i need your support right now. there is this white house belief that'll happen again but yes, this is going to be a while. this is not until december. they do think that this will get done where the president is aking as closure and giving democrats in the wake of tuesday. something to run ongoing on as midterms. >> that would be nice. go ahead joe. >> i am sorry, mika, they have space now. they have the political space now and they pass this bipartisan infrastructure bill and now joe manchin and nancy pelosi who's talking everyday and progressives who have been trying to find middle ground can do their work and it's not cameras coming after everyday, are you going to pass it today or tomorrow. they can sit back and wait a couple of weeks and draft the language and get it just right and pass the bill. i am confident he'll be able to do that. still ahead on morning joe, the infrastructure bill includes more than $100 billion for enviromental and clean energy initiative. we'll speak to the point person on that front, jennifer granholm and plus congresswoman joyce beatty, how that group helps bridge the divide on infrastructure and the story we mentioned at the top, ted cruz takes advice with big bird as congresswoman swalwell frames it. the latest of the senator's outrage with a puppet when "morning joe" comes back. 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problem where we are at least the past 16 years or so where my kids wanting to go to concerts. we have seen this tragedy happens time and time again where you have general mission and people get pushed towards the stage and some people trampled and people get hospitalized and this is an ongoing problem after years ago, i remember if some acts stop doing general admission would put chairs there. they need to figure out how to protect concert goers and they just can't have general admission. they can't have general admission because this will happen over and over again. >> i certainly agree. you must end general admission. i think sometimes in the quest of having big numbers, we relax things that really violates public safety and what happens the other night did that. i understand from some reports this morning there were some concerns about the rapper and some of those around him. clearly it was not enforced and we end up with a disaster. i would hope a side from our prayers for family, i hope general admission begins to what's stopping this because you are putting yourself at risk or you are allowing your children or whoever goes to these things to be at risk. there is nothing you can do when a stampede is headed our way and too late to figure it out when you are already in the mid ld of this it. >> now moving to this. a judge delayed former new york governor andrew cuomo's arraignment on a forcible touching charge. the albany county district attorney asked for the delay telling the judge a misdemeanor complaint filed against cuomo is defective because it does not include key testimonies from the alleged victim. cuomo is accused of groping the executive assistant. his arraignment had been scheduled for the 17th of this month. cuomo's attorney has said her client never assaulted anyone and suggests that last week that his prosecution was politically motivated. the whole thing did seem to come together in pieces. it struck me right when i first read it that something 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my two boys, they are excited about it and we are excited about it. >> it's a huge relief. something we have been waiting for a year and a half or more. >> the more parents make that choice could be a real game changer for all of us. we all know somebody getting covid because of delta being so transmissible and the kids are the ones that bring it home and we got to curtail that. the biden administration federal vaccine mandates for companies with at least 100 employees with temporary block by a federal appeals court on saturday. a three-judge panel on the new orleans faced fifth u.s. circuit court of appeals that the new rule is grave and statutory and constitutional issue. the court gave until 5:00 p.m. to respond. this comes as more than 15 states have filed lawsuits against the administration over its federal vaccine mandates. ron klain says he's certain that the mandate will still stand. >> i am quite confident that when this finally gets adjudicated and not just a temporary order. the validity of this requirement will be upheld. it's common sense. if osha can tell people to wear a hard hat on the job and be careful with chemicals, they can put in place simple measures to keep our workers safe. >> let's bring in state attorney for palm beach county, charles coleman. people look at this ruling they may see the headlines going oh my god this is a huge setback for the biden aadministration. we need to put in some contact here that fifth circuit had it not been for republicans. much more conservative and much more willing to stand in the way of democratic administrations when ever they get the chance. >> good morning joe, you are absolutely right. what we are seeing here is the fifth circuit doing what it does. that's a very conservative circuit on u.s. court of appeals. we know this. we saw states and businesses who are not in the fifth circuit filed amical brief. there was a fighting chance of them getting this opposition of the vaccines passed. what we likely believe is going to happen and this is going to go to the supreme court and it's going to ultimately be upheld. this is essentially kicking the can down the road. >> good morning, it's jonathan lemire. you are some what critical of the decision making process by the fifth circuit. tell us why. pick up on charles' point there going to the supreme court and why do you also think the mandate will be upheld and why? >> good morning jonathan, i agree with charles that this circuit having it being the most conservative but the most political and the please -- this was the same court that refused to intervene of the election law. here they're doing the opposite there. they're intervening and using a different rule instead of going to the traditional way of issuing a preliminary injunction. he just says, hey, we find great statutory constitutional issues here. they're acting pretty political. that could exacerbate the public's perception of the courts of politicians wearing black robe. i think the u.s. supreme court reinstate the mandate after the fifth circuit does a way with it. and secondly there is the 1905 jacobson ruling where the supreme court says that vaccine mandates at the state and local level were constitutional. 7-2 ruling says one person's liberty does not override everyone else's. >> this is about companies being able to have a safe workplace, i am trying to understand what's unconstitutional about it. is there any potential that the vote pushing against this mandate for businesses with what 100 employees or more. that's a lot of businesses across the country that wants to be back to work at full capacity and getting this economy back on track. >> that's what i find interesting about this case is what they use as a means of trying to argue was not a matter of should they be able to do it. it's a question of the authority under osha because osha made this regulation and approved this under emergency authority. i don't know if that's going to be enough down the line particularly given what we have seen in terms of covid and the economy and the work and the amount of strain that's pleased on different work spaces in order to try to get this vaccine mandate done away with. i don't think that's going to be enough. the cause have been so great on the american people and so great on the country that more than likely what the court is going to do is dial it down that osha did have the authority to in fact makes the ruling and what the biden administration's trying to do. >> i am sorry, mika, you go. >> the delta variant is still actually very much apart of our lives. we have got many months to go at the rate we are going right now in order to have covid-19 behind mandates are proven to work. look at new york city. >> i think you see great success by corporate america stepping up to the plate and requiring employees to get vaccinated. that's why i don't think this decision by the fifth circuit will have a big impact on things. corporations in our country have moved forward. they're doing it any way. in our office, for example, we are in a state where governor desantis has banned vaccine man dates. we found a way around it if you don't get it, you have to test weekly. you will see corporate america moving ahead and this is just about politicians on the far right trying to own the lids and trying inherit the maga space. you see it in governor desantis, offering officers being unvaccinated to come to florida. >> all right, charles coleman and dave erringburn. thank you very much for coming on. a tweet from a beloved fictional bird is causing a flag from the gop. big bird posted that he receivd the covid-19 vaccine. he's been on "sesame stree." he was portrayed as 5 years old. it was not long before ted cruz began attacking big bird for spreading quote, "government propaganda,". >> big bird has been promoting public health messages for decades. big bird joined a line of other children getting their measles vaccines. big bird helps make it less scary. cruz admitted on twitter the whole thing was just an exercising and owning the lid, showing glee trending on the site because of his comment. a good weekend of the white house started with a release of a strong release report. that's why steve ratner is here on "morning joe." r is here on "morning joe. this is the greatest idea you'll ever hear. okay, it's an app that compares hundreds of travel sites for hotels and cars and vacation rentals like kayak does for flights. so it's kayak. yeah, like kayak. why don't you just call it kayak. i'm calling it... canoe. compare hundreds of travel sites for thousands of trips. kayak. search one and done. 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lemire, reverend al sharpton and steve ratner and heather mcgee is still joining us. we have mike barnicle is here. thank you for showing up. >> we expect this daily. the host of the podcast on brand with donny deutsche, ed luz is with us. on friday, president biden touted the economic recovery under his administration. >> a great day for our recovery. america is getting back to work and our economy is starting to work for more americans. this did not happen by accident or just because. we lay the foundation with my more than rescue plan and vaccination plan. it has made the economy the envy of the world. we are the fastest growing major economy. yet, there is a lot more to be done. we still have the -- >> stooefr ratner, let's go to charge. joe biden has a lot to sell. he can talk about how democrats route any republicans, are trying to pass legislation that'll strengthen the economy but also the joe biden data bipartisan bill with better roads and safer bridges and faster broad band, you go on and on. and on top of that of what the reverend is talking about, you got unemployment down to 4.6 and joe biden despite the fact that i don't think this white house is really good at selling things right now, getting him out on the road of selling things. joe biden has a lot to sell right now. >> joe biden does have a lot to sell right now. he had a little bit bad luck that the election on tuesday and the jobs report came out on friday. we take a look at the jobs report, you do see an awful a lot of good news starting with the fact that we added 531,000 jobs last month and we revised a number of other months. there we go. we got our chart up. i want to emphasize not just the 531,000 jobs that we have last month but also the fact that is in seven of the last nine month, we have been revising up for the number of jobs created and 18% of all the jobs created this year came through these revisions. i don't think the american public appreciates. if you look at august and september, the second and third bars to the right which is the time where people thought the economy is flagging. you can see how many more jobs were add. this was not in the mix for tuesday's election and did not happen. >> steve. forgive me we have a delay. why are they so bad at doing this? this is not just for democratic administration, this is for republican administration as well. sometimes the revisions are outrageously high. >> they are perfect signs. the revisions are particularly high over the last two years because of covid. covid has changed so many patterns in the way people take jobs and leave jobs. it happens to not in the biden administration favors. the other thing to talk about is the fact that there are still 11 million open jobs out there. additional other jobs we fill, there are 11 million jobs out there. a record number, there are one and a half jobs open jobs outside there for every unemployed americans. there are one and a half chances for every american to get jobs. if you look at the right side of the chart, you can see what happens. the number of americans looking for work plateaued. there are three factors. one, retirement, people who also decided to retire early because they figure why not. the unemployment situation we had early in covid play its toll and people lose their jobs and takes a while to find another one and they drop out and don't know what to do. the last is other, you can call it child care or healthcare concerns. clearly it's keeping americans from coming back to the work force and they're also quitting jobs, 2.9%. a lot of people don't want to take these low-paying jobs because of the stimulus program they are having the means to do that. the other thing we have to talk about is inflation. that's the number one issue of the minds of americans. what this chart shows us compares wages o f the black loin in the middle which are up 10% since 2020. i picked out other things, gasolin obviously, appliances are up close to 20% also if you want to buy yourself a new refrigerator. >> mika, you were talking about grocery stores offline. 10% wage growth, 15% or 20% growth and a lot of things americans buy. this is in the mix right now for the economy and as well as job numbers. you can mark inflation better than gasoline prices because you stand there with the pump in your car and you watch those numbers roll up. >> what in the he can is going on? >> everybody drives by gas station and big signs and you check out what's the price of gasoline and it's higher. >> it's higher. that's a question you guys should all ask jennifer granholm. >> we'll do that. joe. >> yes, i want to talk about inflation, it's obviously you look at these numbers, these numbers hurt. did this land any credence to what joe manchin had been talking about. you put too much money into the economy, and you have inflation. these numbers are really hitting people where it hurts the most. basic stable for groceries and also gas when ever they fill up. do we at one point 7.5 or if that's next bill that comes along. does that add inflation in every pressure or is down enough to be absorbant. but, it's well above the feds target of 2% and adding more of unfunded government in the mix. it's going to make it worse. that's going to have a negative effect on the economy. it will have the negative effect on the stock market and negative effect on people's psychology as mortgage rate goes up. it's time to stop increaing the deficit. >> with all of this going on with the economy, some pretty far extreme. the president is celebrating a big win over the weekend with even some republicans support. i am going to ask donny the same question. how to go out and sell it? >> if you are are democrats, you can go around and say republicans are actually calling socialism giving you better roads, safer bridges and cleaner water, faster broad band, doing what republicans failed to do for decades when they were in charge. >> we are actually rebuilding this country and we are rebuilding it from the grounds up. we don't have to wait 30 years to see paving your roads or hometown better for you or not. donny deutsche, this is basic stuff. and i don't think there is anything better for democrats than when republicans run around calling this socialism. we fought against every appropriation bills. trying to get all the waste out of those bills as possible. when the infrastructure bill came, we just docked. we knew herb is going to be voting for the infrastructure bill. >> you brought up the campaign and the economy is stupid. joe biden's speech got to stop. infrastructure is a great word and build back better bill, he keeps on saying the mick bill or this is the new economy bill. you put them all together. if democrats own the economy and you have the same up there. the numbers are staggering and the numbers are error. >> don't drift from the -- you own and every positive jobs number. just let the republicans say we are not for stimulating the economy or not for a healthy economy. own the e word. >> i think it's so important and you know heather in the virginia and new jersey races and the minneapolis vote, it's such a focus on cultural issues. cultural issues is important to both sides. i understand that. that is hung up in bill clinton's '92 office. democrats and joe biden have a good story to tell and i think it's maybe getting better. >> there is the economy and this is always the issue but also tl story. the thing about the cultural thing is they have a story, they have good guys and bad guys. they have our team and their team. every story needs a hero, a villain or a reason why the action is happening. so often democratic message does not have anything as jobs numbers. you look at elon musk, other multi billionaire profited off the pandemic who as a whole generally speaking pays a lower taxes than janitors and firefighters. we can't keep spending this much unfunded. it was not going to be unfunded because the overwhelming o majority of the country wanted the better investment and entire economic plan to be paid for increase taxes by the wealthies and corporations. and so it's that popularism that's the peep that gets smashed away. you see republicans and donald trump phony populist even more than democrats actually generally speaking. that's the way of economy staying strong. the issues here the cultural issue are what the right wing uses to distract voters from the core economic agenda. redistribute wealth upward on the right. if you are tweeting about big bird or fans books, that's something that can distract the agenda. >> the democratic party has got to have a multi-racial and the phony cultural stuff but keeps the eyes on the pride of what our country can do together and that's through government. >> you know, heather, what you just talked about was, i love it, multi cultural populist. nobody else had done it and donny, heather and i may disagree on some issues but i guarantee you, this shows what a winning issue this is by the fact that we both agree. i suspect you even agree. we have got to figure out a way to attack billionaires who keep on getting richer and richer off of not paying taxes. here is a couple of facts, donny. you tell me whether this is a 90/10 issue or 95 issue. >> the 400 richest families pay on average of 6.5% in taxes. it's ridiculous. >> nike pays zero in taxes this past year. you will see companies like chevron and the biggest airlines and some of the biggest oil company paying zero in taxes and amazon pays zero in taxes. i mean these multi billionaires are not having to pay taxes. they need to pay taxes on their income and their investments. this argument that if somebody made $500 million or billion dollars or 2 or $3 billion on investment that have not actually realized that until they fell, just garbage. they have the money in their account and they have access for leverage and business deals are doing it. we got to figure out a way to make sure that the richest billionaire in america are not payingless in income taxes. the clerical workers, janitors and other people working for it. >> it's probably questionable for barnacle because he's got that billions stashed away. >> of course. >> i am going to take a stab at it. i would attach it to the little speech i made before about the overall and pull everyone's economy. i still think the core message and this is a 95-5 issue. tax the rich and corporations. put it in a bigger content that we want a bigger economy for everybody. i think the overall message. i still think that's a secondary message. people don't vote oh because your taxes or otherwise. how am i doing paying with my bread and how am i doing with my education. we are stimulating everybody's economy. one of the ways we are doing it is corporation. bringing it all together: >> an economy for all. a fair economy for everyone. that's the way you do it. and it seems to me mike barnicle that you have two steps here. you talk about wanting to help business owners and giving them tax credits and relief to hire people. you are talking about helping entrepreneurs who are starting out and you talk about helping family business, the family restaurants and hardware store and you go all in and do what you can to pass credits to help small business owners. you are making sure that corporations, these 400 richest and households in america is paying their fair share. nobody is going to call you socialists for helping smaller businesses and helping entrepreneurs growing their businesses. and making monopolies paying their fair share. >> the slogan that we often used here, that's literally another century and another democratic party that does not exist today. i mean if you told me a couple of years ago that the democratic party and the house and the nate would block at raising the corporate tax rate, i would not believe you but it happened. the fact is we live in a cultural of this belief. people are going to have to see it in order to believe it. they have to see the paving machines down the end of this street. they have to see the people at work on the bridges around this country. they have to see rail tracks being laid down. they have to see the tunnels being improved and most importantly, i think it's an under estimating aspect. they're going to have to see neighborhoods that have been docked as far as the engine that's concerned, wired up. so children don't have to go and sit next to a library or mcdonald's to steal the internet signal in order to do their homework. they'll have to see all of this. that's where we are as a country. that's the success of this plan. they'll have to see it and feel it. >> all right, let's talk about this with secretary of energy, jennifer granholm. very good to have you on the show. a big win for the administration with the bipartisan infrastructure package. what michael was talking about now. they're seeing high gas price and high prices for consumer goods and food at the grocery stores, there is a labor shortage and supply shortage, you are paying more for your washers and dryers or no one even shows up to fix anything. how does this win, jennifer, how does it translate into something americans can see that's positive? >> sure, to mike's point. we are going to be expanding the electricity grid. that grid is going to be adding what we hope is double the amount of renewable energy in order to meet the president's goal. people have to go for work to be able to expand the grid whether it's electrician. we need to build on the solar panels. we got to build those solar panels here and putting all these people to work. mika, the clean energy sector is a $23 trillion sector by 2030 that means are we going to standby. this bipartisan infrastructure bill allows us to get into the game and be able to build those products here. we, we have a short term issue. we have supply that does not meet demand. the president is all over this and goes into short term and the long-term. the bottom line for it when the president says when he hears climate change, he thinks about jobs. that's critical for our long-term strategy. the long-term i see completely jonathan lemire, you can take it can next question, my worry is what people are feeling right now. and in terms of all the issues. >> supply chain is going to be a hot button. we are hearing storage and many encouraging americans to do your shopping now for the holidays. you have two months out. shelves are going to be empty. i want to turn back to the issue of climate change. you start to mentioned a moment ago and the president -- he was in scotland last week on this major climate change conference. at the same time he was talking about his provision, he was critical of opec. he sort of acknowledged, yes, this is the hypocriical stance here. >> there is an immediate term and long-term strategy. the president does not see people hurt with their home heating and etc. let me just say this, poor families have to pay up to one-third of their net income for their heating and fuel cost. he does not want to hurt people. he wants to see supply available right now. right now gasoline and oil are controlled by a global cartel which is opec. they have 90% of the supply that they control. 50% of the production, over 50% of the production, he wants to see added. he's curious, he wants to see added supplies from all. he's looking at other tools. he's looking at what options he has in the limited range of tools that a president may have to address the cost of gasoline at the pumps because it's a global market. number two, on the long-term with respect to the next step of the president's agenda. it's really the ability to incentivize the private sector to build out clean so the tax incentives that are aggressive to build the electric grid and solar and nuclear getting zero carbon technology on the grid is critical. it's critical for the planet but critical for the economy. all kinds of people will have the opportunity to take all kinds of jobs in the vast sector which is the clean energy sector. that's coming up in the second part of the president's agenda. >> madame secretary, one of the things i think has been a problem is messaging because as i look at what have passed, it does affect people of color poor people. when you look at broad band, when i saw a lot of young black and brown children could not do school work during the pandemic because they could not get online. when i look at the actual struck struckture building of tunnels and bridges, i mean these things are not just being graphically put out of the public. >> reverend al, you are so right. in addition to roads and bridges which obviously impacts all communities but poor people disproportionately paying more of their income fixing their cars, running over potholes, the amount of money. there is a huge opportunity for people to be able to get charging stations. poor communities right now do not have them. if we want to incentivize, we have to get them into poor communities to places where charging stations are not. and investing in schools, to be able to upgrade building and communities that need to have resilience and who are disportionally impacted by extreme weather events. there is funding for cleaning up super fund sites. there is a lot of in this bill for communities who have been at the front of the line disproportionately affected negatively by pollution. >> steve ratner. >> last question to follow up on what jonathan lemire was asking you about with respect to the short term and long-term. the president was talking about opec production, we have the potential to increase production as well. we can drill in texas or gas wells up in apalacpalachia, is president in the short run providing more gas for the people. >> the president wants to see more of a match between demand and supply. there are 20 million acres of public land on and offshore that are under leak by oil and gas companies that are not being used. over 7,000 leases have been given to oil and gas companies to do that drilling and they are not being used. we need to make sure that we are telling the truth about where the supply needs to come from. there is nothing that the biden administration is doing that is preventing oil and gas companies from the united states from doing additional attraction. >> that's in the short term verses long-term. be clear about that. >> we can do two things at once. energy secretary jennifer granholm, thank you so much for being here. we appreciate it. >> donny, let me ask you, here we are obviously after a bad week for democrats that ended strongly. i am just wondering what's the message moving forward for the democratic party this week? >> it's the economy. you have the numbers there and through out a set of words before. everyone's economy and even we can say this stock market at an all time high. let's start to give as message, yes, we do want to tax corporations and the billionaires but this is everyone's economy and the democrats once again let republicans have the cultural war. the only thing that trump's cultural war is a strong economy. own it and own it and stay on the e word. >> when the economy is strong and things are doing well, people don't listen. it's much to the cultural warfare and those dog whistles and other stuff. oh, whatever. well, i may be able to send my kids to school right now and not in debt to my neck. things are going very well, we'll let them scream and attack big board all they want. things are going well in my household right now. that's the most important thing. i will say steve ratner that the biden administration had a lot to talk about over the first nine months. one thing they did not talk about was the economy. let us focusing on wall street, when you look at the stock market at record highs, you know and even talk about the stock market being at record highs, talk about how people's retirement accounts are at a record high. schools and their investments at record highs right now because the stock market is doing so well. that impacts every single american in one way or another. >> certainly talking about all that, john. the other thing is they don't talk as much as they should. when you look at these wages, they have been concentrated in the lowest courts of americans. they have a long way to go. we want them to get higher. if you are working in leisure, a low-paid profession. your wage just went up 12%. it's not nothing and the biden administration should be taking more credits for things like that. >> they need to talk about it >> heather, final thoughts for you. what are you looking at this week? >> i am looking at the way that the momentum from the bipartisan infrastructure plan most importantly, i am looking at that moment and translating into the full package. we have got to see that progressives swallowed a pill on friday. they always wanted the 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"the american experiment: dialogues on a dream." >> i don't think it's a better time than to have something put out. we keep turning forward. we are talking about earlier today about it how it was black women and now milwaukee and detroit and atlanta and philadelphia who for some of us believed it's democracy. there are twists and turns that you lay out beautifully. >> thank you very much, joe. thank you for having me. i would say i want to remind people that this country is an experiment in representing democracy. nothing like this ever been done before. people came together and said after the revolutionary war we got to create a government that actually works. when they did that. we had some flaws in it. we didn't allow blacks to be citizens or women to vote. we could not vote directly for the united states and we still could not sfoochlt what i did in the book is trying to interview people who are experienced this in. and so that's what i was trying to do in the book, remind people about our history and the fact that we are still ongoing an experiment. the most recent was the january 6th event. our democracy survived and we survived january 6th. but it was a close call in many ways. >> yeah, you talk to a lot of different people in different fields. one of them is a good friend of mika's family and us, maddie albrite, what did she say? >> she came here as a young girl, she adapted to this country. she was not coming as a -- her father was a prominent professor. she came here as an experiment to rebuild her life. she takes about the importance of being an immigrant in this country. we have 47 million people in this country are immigrants. we barred many people from coming to this country. from 1925 to 1965, it was difficult for many people coming into this country if you were not from western europe. we are a welcoming tri at -- country at times. she rose up to be secretary of state. >> david, everyone in my lifetime, i have seen time and time again of pun dents and policymakers talking about the next country that's going toover take us, japan and the 1980s. they were going to leave us. we are hearing the same thing about china right now. >> you talked to walter isaacson about the things that separates america from any other countries and that's the extraordinary innovation, the belief that if you are bill gates, you can borrow $5,000 and start a company in your dad's garage and change the world. >> yes, there is believes in this country. you create something and a large extent of this country while many people have invented incredible product and services which you fuel the world. it's american technology which is largely running the world in many respects. the companies that these are american companies all started by entrepreneurs. you don't see anything like this anywhere in the world. china has some great entrepreneurs but nothing quite like the united states because of the creativity we have in this country. >> david, i'm going to assume that you're an optimist. the son of a postal worker from baltimore. you grew up in the 50s and 60s. and yet, when you go around the country today, and you bump into people and talk to people who are hear from vietnam or cambodia or india, or parts of africa, their belief in the america that we used to feel so strongly about in the 50s and 60s is just as strong as our belief was then. but if you talk to americans, who have grown up in the 80s, 90s, and this generation now, they seem not to have the same strength of belief in the country as newly arrived people do. so in terms of your sense of optimism, are you optimistic as optimistic about our immediate future in a country where so many of our native born citizens seem not to believe in the dream of america as much as people who have just arrived here? >> you put your finger on a very good point. the american dream, a phrase that was invented in 1936, explains the belief we have in this country that can rise up based on hard work and merit. this is believed more by immigrants than it is believed by many people in this country. many people at the bottom of the social and economic strat of this country don't think they can rise up. i am an optimist generally about this country, but i recognize we have big challenges. covid has brought them home. the country has become a country of two cities. the people left behind because of covid, these people are not people who are going to rise up as much as people coming into this country from abroad. and so yes, i believe in the american dream. but it's a challenge right now for people left behind because of covid. >> david, i want -- one of the things that impresses me about the book, clearly i agree this has been an experiment, the american experiment is in reality what we are still dealing with. but how did you select the people that you had write the various parts of this book? because i'm very much impressed that from billy jean king to others, it seemed like you had people that excelled in various areas that could with credibility approach explaining the american experiment because they in their own lives and journeys had kind of pushed the envelope of this experiment. how did you come about the list of people you had engaged in this project with you? >> i interviewed about 8 0 -some people for the book. i didn't get everybody in the book. if you're not in the book, i blame the publisher. but to be serious, if this book was written 10 or 15 or 20 years ago, someone like me probably would have had all white males in the book. i tried to have a diverse group of people. it's a balance. i would say it's very difficult at times to get people who have had bad experiences in this country to want to talk about them in an articulate way. i tried very hard to get people who didn't have privileges at birth and really work their way up and became part of the american dream, and as you know, reverend al, the american dream is what fuels a lot of us. it fuels everybody probably on this show right now who came from modest circumstances and worked their way up. we all believe in the american dream, but sadly right now many people are -- particularly people of color, do not believe in the american dream as much as i believed it or as much as many immigrants believe in it. we have a lot of work to do to convince people the american dream is still alive. >> well, and also, you see a lot of people who supported certain candidates in 2016 and 2020 not believing in america. and even getting to a point where they attacked the people's house, the united states congress. so much to be concerned about there i'm curious what your thought is. you talked about if you did this 20 or 30 years ago, it would be mainly white men, writing about it. sometimes we don't have the proper perspective that histories have 20, 30, 50 years from now, but there's an extraordinary change in this country over the past 20 years. whether it's -- marriage equally, lgbtq 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>> right. it's a different country than when the founding fathers came together. a historian wrote a book about the country's history, the first written by a woman on this topic. when he was talking about the founding fathers to a third grade group, she said to young girls, what about the women? and the little girl said, well, there weren't any women back then. we didn't talk about the women who did so many things to help the revolutionary war, and only recently have we begun to write about american who is made this country great tomorrow black, latino, women, asian. and so the history has been rewritten. the main point i would like to convey at the end is that i think this country is unique because we have certain genes. things like the rule of law, the belief in equally. the belief in the right to vote. and also importantly now, the belief in the importance of diversity. many other countries if you go around the world, they don't believe in diversity in the way we do in this country. it's become an important part of our genes. i think that's a good thing. >> and i think sometimes we're too close to see it again. our ability to be able to have immigrants come to this country and to have them assimilate the way for instance what happened after the vietnam war. just absolutely extraordinary. so, david, let's talk really quickly about one of my favorite subjects, and that is music. you can't really overstate the importance of american's soft power. the importance of american culture, and in drawing so many people to this country, and you interviewed two of my musical heroes, paul simon and whit mar seles. tell us about that interview. >> i did whitmore because of the situation we faced ourselves in. i interviewed paul simon at the smithsonian for a great american event. paul is one of the great song writers of the 20th century, and obviously an extraordinary figure in american music. and he still is a person that people idolize even though he's not now actually out there doing touring. and whin has helped to make chaz what it is. jazz is one of the great american art forms, and really developed in this country. and his entire family has been the first family of jazz and whiten announced his life basically teaching jazz, performing jazz, and i think talking about jazz. and he's really done a great job in building the jazz program at lincoln center. he's a real american hero to me and many others. >> all right. the book is "the american experiment". dialogues on a dream. david, thank you. what a fascinating conversation. >> thank you very much. >> we appreciate it. and it is just after the top of the hour. and we begin with this advice. >> exciting. >> alison morris gave our own willie geist this advice on friday ahead of the marathon. >> i have to ask you as a first timer, words of advice with 48 hours until the starting gun goes off. >> reporter: oh, willie, it's easy. cot season rotten. don't wear any of it. >> i've walked two marathons. pretty sure i can handle a 5 k. the key is drafting, eliminate wind resistance. oh, god. my nipples. it's starting. watch the nipples, kevin. >> i was a fool to think that i could beat it. >> wow. i don't know. i think willie, you looked a little better, actually. you were really doing -- you were cooking. it was amazing. congratulations. >> thanks, guys. thanks. yeah, it was everything everyone says it will be. it was an absolute thrill. huge crowds carrying you along the way for 26 years through every part of the city starting on the bridge in staten island with a cannon going off and a moment of oh, my god, i'm running the new york city marathon and being swept through with the crowds. the big thing for me was raising all this money for the michael j. fox foundation. i as of this morning, we're at $306,000 raised. look at that slow motion. i haven't seen that. >> looking good. >> okay. you know what? i have to confess something about that. there's a funny story. so i was crossing the finish line. i came in under four hours. that was my pie in the sky goal. i did it. 3:58. i was excited about that. i got back and was texting people and they came back and said do you mind coming with us for one second. i said sure. they said here's the deal you and chelsea clinton crossed the finish line at the same time. we made an editorial decision to take pictures of chelsea clinton. would you reenact your finish? >> that is so funny. >> i walked back out the course. like, a salmon upstream, turned around and reenacted my fin irk. that's what the slow moe video is. so that's my second video. >> i think chelsea owes you, i don't know a beer. >> i was thrilled to share the moment with her. and secretary clinton and president clinton were at the finish line. my wife got to meet me there and put the medal over my neck. one of the hardest parts of this course, and everybody tells you this, is about mile 24 you go uphill on 5 th avenue before you turn into the park. you've gone so far and your legs are burning and it's uphill, and who do i see to the left side but the guy i was running for, my father, of course, but the man who started it all, michael j fox. he stepped out of his apartment in the street and there he is. he had his cane and he came out, stood there. we had a big hug. and that is not sweat i'm wiing from my eye. that is his wife tracy. that was a huge moment and swept me across for two more miles to get there. but there were people all the way. there were people along the way friends, people i didn't know. people who love "morning joe." people who love "sunday today", and just that energy of the city got me through it. i got it under four hours, and i'm thrilled. i have the medal to prove it. >> to put this what willie did in perspective, in 1954 an englishman roger banister was the first person in the world to break the 4 minute mile. he ran it in 3:59. to put what willie did yesterday, an amazing thing, his pace was just about the pace that roger banister used to -- seriously. he ran 3 hours and 58 minutes. 26 miles. >> i was out there. we were watching in brooklyn around mile seven or eight looking for willie. had the app, trying to track him. we did spot him. he was across the street. i had the cab fare ready in case he needed it to stipahead to the finish line. he waved me off. i will say he was with his headphones and locked in. he looked great. ended up with a terrific time. >> yeah. willie, where was a moment -- was there one moment in particular where it was just overwhelming? you just felt the physical pain of it and you knew like, i've got to get through this mentally? i'm sure it was harder than any two a day football practice you ever had which can be kind of tough, but what did you do? what was the moment and how did you breakthrough that challenging moment? >> the moment for me was about mile 20. again, this is what everybody tells you. your training only takes you to 20 miles. somewhere in your head you're going i've never done this before, and you've just run 20 miles. you're starting to cramp up a little bit. i never stopped to walk. i thought about my dad who has parkinson's. i had his name written in my sharpie on the inside of my forearm. whenever i had a moment when i thought i was going to stop or slow down -- there's me giving him the medal after the race. he was at my apartment. i had that written on my arm. it was worn out by the end as you can see. i looked down at that. i thought about 5 million people in the world who have parkinson's disease. i thought about people in my life who are no longer with me and may be watching and hoping i would continue to push through. it really is a mind game. it's very physical, of course. i had salt. you're sweating so much. salt caked in my eyes. i had to stop and wipe that off. there are all these things that can come up. if you can do it, it sounds trite and corny, but the thing you think you cannot do which for me is long distance running and certainly running a marathon, you can do it. it's going to take time and hurt a little bit. it takes commitment and work, but if you have purpose and commitment, you can do it. >> the key is the cause. if you have something bigger than you. my daughter's track meets, i would cry every time. everybody finished the line, knowing what it feels like. also is that random stalker that just runs out into the middle of the street and then jumps in your arms. how did you handle it? >> this was incredible. okay, this is mile 17. the crowd has thinned out a little bit on first avenue. i see a figure in a long black coat jumping the police barricade, running onto first avenue and leaping into my arms and wrapping her legs around me and giving me a kiss. that is, folks, the great stephanie ruhle who picks up our coverage at the top of the next hour. i honestly didn't know what was going on. i thought there was a police situation, but i was so, so happy to see her. it was just it was stephanie ruhle distilled. it was joy, enthusiasm, love. >> she's crazy and i love it. >> she said i don't know what came over here. she said they were tracking, tracking, she jump oefrd the barricade. her husband and children were there. i looked at the two boys, i was telling her earlier, i said the most interesting thing was her boys didn't seem shocked or surprised or embarrassed. >> no. nope. >> that's our mom, there she is. >> just another day with stephanie rule. >> talk about a lift, mile 17, that was a huge lift. she gets credit maybe for the two seconds that got me under four hours? >> you say that was a lift. if i'm 17 miles in and somebody is running at me to try to jump on me, i promise you, i'm going to have a taser and i'm going to use it right there. i mean, that is -- i mean, come on. you're going to be down on the ground. i don't care who hz it's. >> she's exuberant. >> she's the best. >> you did it all, you lifted her up and just kept going. final question because i'm fascinated by this because it's something i could never do. what was it like after? you know, i've heard people that do these sort of things, people that have swam long distances. they'll throw themselves into a hot bathtub and it will be shaking for hours and some marathoners will really just get knocked down. what about you? what was it like after the marathon for you? >> i have to say i was tired. i think partly because i woke with the time change and everything, and i woke up at 2:30 in the morning. i was excited and couldn't go back to bed. i was obviously physically tired, but today i feel pretty good. there's some soreness in my legs but nothing i can't work around. i think the elation of having done this thing you didn't think you could do and to be a part of this day that i participated in for 20 years or more, more than 20 years from behind the barricades and loved the day and been the people in the crowd and the holding of the signs. by the way, the signs. i hope there's an instagram page. people are so funny with their signs. i felt good. i felt good. i think it was the adrenaline. maybe i'll crash a little bit today. but also just going through and looking at all the people who have given money. everybody sitting on the set has been so generous as well. i'm so grateful for that. but joe, it's a little bit like a political campaign. scrolling through my page, 10, 20, $15. november much, but i wanted to give you something for your cause. my mother, my father has parkinson's. you know, just to see those names and those faces and those amounts, there were no big corporate donors to this. it was just individual people who wanted to help out, and now we're over $300,000 with every nickel going to the michael j. fox foundation. i think that's probably why i feel okay today. >> it's a political campaign, but it goes on even after the race. tell everybody again how they can help out and continue giving to this extraordinary organization. >> if you go to the michael j. fox foundation home page, search my name in the search bar. there's a place where you can donate, and it goes to parkinson's disease research. again, 5 million people in the world have parkinson's. my dad is one of them. >> my mom. >> mika's mom is one of them. we all know what parkinson's can do. i really did -- you asked me how i pushed through. i had moments where i was like no more. i don't want to see another generation someone my age or my son or daughter's age have to go through what my dad goes through, what mika's mom goes through. i thank all those people for the inspiration. i hope this makes a little dent. >> well, willie, congratulations and thank you very much. you can go take a nice bath now. we'll see you tomorrow on the show. and -- >> i'll be there. >> i'll move to the headlines. as president biden prepares to sign the bipartisan infrastructure bill into how, the white house needs to prepare for the larger battle ahead for the upcoming climate and family care bill. nbc news senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell has more. >> this morning the white house making plans for that long awaited ceremony to finally turn the bipartisan infrastructure bill into law. >> i want people who worked so hard to get this done, democrats and republicans, to be here when we sign it. >> passed by the house late friday night -- >> the resolution is adopted. >> reporter: the $1.2 trillion package will include $110 billion for roads and bridges. $66 billion for rail. $25 billion for airports. $55 billion for clean drinking water and more. >> a once in a generation investment that's going to create millions of jobs modernizing infrastructure. >> one agenda victory secured, but another uncertain. now democrats must resolve differences over the bigger $1.75 trillion climate and family care bill. moderates remain concerned about costs. >> making sure this bill is paid for and responsible. given how much good is in there. >> progressives want to protect key programs. >> it includes prescription drug pricing. it includes paid family leave. >> but republican leaders say voters message is they expect the president to govern more from the middle. >> joe biden won a very narrow election by winning swing voters, and they're not where the progressive caucus is, i can assure you, and the vast majority of americans are not for the second bill. >> as the president and first lady walked the beach sunday, his team claimed confident -- confidence. >> we're going to get this passed and signed and get it to work for the american people. >> all right. joining us now, chair of the congressional black caucus from ohio. thank you for being on the show this morning. tell us what stands out to you in this bill and how it will change the lives of the american people. >> well, first of all, let me say thank you, and you hit it right on spot. this bill will change the lives of the american people. when you think about what we're going to do for our children, the future with child care and universal child care and pre-k, when we think about the child tax credit, when we think about $400 billion for that, we know what we're dealing with with climate change. $555 billion there. for hbcus, pell grant. look across the spectrum of our human infrastructure, and how we're going to not only save lives but we're going to create jobs with this as well. it is the jobs bill. it is a health care bill. it is a human infrastructure bill. it's transformational. and i would say that the american people, all people, will benefit from this, but especially black americans. we know the disparity numbers. we know what's happening right now with this president and with build back better. and as chair of the congressional black caucus, we have had our fingerprint and footprints all over this legislation. so we support the build back better plan and this legislation. >> so congresswoman, can you tell us how the congressional black caucus played a key role in actually getting the infrastructure bill over the finish line? because it was a close call at times, but news reports say that the congressional black caucus made the difference in the end. >> well, i think we played a big role in the bipartisan infrastructure bill as well as the role we're playing with build back better. and that's because we supported both of the bills. it shouldn't be an either or. how am i going to go back home and talk about we don't support clean water and taking led out of water for our children or look at broad band. we fought so hard. when you look at majority whip clyburn leading the charge for broadband, that helps contractors, jobs. we decided to talk with the president, his senior staff, cedric richmond, senior adviser pulled us into the white house, brought the president in. we told him, we needed to be at the table, and we would go back and help with the plan. i was so pleased when majority whip clyburn and i sat down, we brought in our six chairs of congressional committees, and we went into the speaker and sat there for hours, and then we were very pleased with the outcome of saying we need a win/win. we need to make sure we bring the rule up that would give us good faith that we could then debate the build back better plan, and we needed to vote now on the bipartisan infrastructure. and we believed that most members would want to go back home and say what they delivered. so we were able to push it through. >> congresswoman, good morning. it's jonathan lamire. obviously you alluded to this is part one. part two, of course, the larger reconciliation act, the social services spending. and there has been, of course, a lot of distrust within the democratic party about getting this thing done. and certainly a leap was made on friday to vote for the bipartisan bill with the larger package still uncertain and it's going to go back and forth between the house and senate. my question to you is a, how confident are you it will get done, and b, do you trust all the democratic members involved, particularly manchin and sinema, that they'll follow through and the other piece will come into law as well? >> well, i serve in the house, as you know. i can tell you that i trust all of my democrats in our house caucus. because we brought our diversity of our caucuses together. and here's the thing. we have to move forward. we have to move forward for this nation. i believe in the house we'll do what we're supposed to do, and that's the people's work for this transformational legislation. america is watching us. they're watching us internationally. and i think this is going to send a strong message. this is what president biden campaigned on. this is what most of us campaigned on. republicans talked about jobs and the economy and health care. so i'm comfortable that we will pass the build back better plan, and we will send it forward. and we have to continue. but right now we're making so much progress, and i'm going to look at the glass as half full versus half empty, and we're going to fill it up and pass this bill. >> chair lady, al sharpton. two things. one is that the fact that we've got the infrastructure bill passed and hoping to get the build back better passed as well, part of the concentration in the black community that you chair the congressional black caucus has been, of course, the broad band is important, what we've gotten, and the fact that we need real infrastructure development, and where the contracts will go. where a lot of the spoils are that come from this as part of the progress. what will happen there, and what will happen in terms of the second part of this, the bbb, because if that doesn't pass this takes away the credibility of even the first part, because it will look like they were in some ways promised something that didn't fulfill, and secondly, how we keep voting rights on the table at the same time. a week ago today you and vice president harris spoke in new york, and both of you talked about voting rights. how do we at the same time push the necessary bills through, not forget that voting rights protection must be pushed through even if we have to do a carveout on the filibuster? >> absolutely. you hit it right on the nail. and thank you for having me there for the 30th anniversary of naan. we have a parallel track. we have never stopped fighting for the john r. lewis advancement act. that's so critical. i need to remind everyone, four republican presidents reauthorized this. so we have to be stronger in our communities and having people continue to push, because we know that's how we get our democracy fulfilled with people like me and others they're fighting. but i think the other thing we have to do, we have to make sure that we educate our communities and that we stay on message. the build back better plan will help us. we saw what happened with the affordable care act. when people say it, we would not be able to be successful with it. we did. part of that is in here. we are actually making sure that we have coverage gap for those with medicaid. but we also have to make sure when we talk about the bipartisan infrastructure framework, we have to make sure that black contractors and female contractors and brown contractors are at the table, because we have used the diversity of all of our caucuses to make this happen. we have a great relationship with the tricaucus. we're going to call on everyone to make sure that we follow where we are now, and i make a promise to you. the congressional black caucus will continue to have our message and our power out there, because we know the value of both the jobs, the contracts with the bipartisan infrastructure, but also the significance of build back better legislation to our communities, our children, our families, health care, to our black hbcus. it's just too much at stake, and especially when we look at housing across america. $150 billion in housing. so much on the table. but we're going to continue 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and those coming from countries with limited vaccine availability. there are also limited exceptions for medical and humanitarian reasons, joe. >> yeah. you know, mika, we think about the travelers, the tourists, the people that are coming over to shop. what a big difference it will make in cities like new york city and across the country. i saw earlier this morning a news alert from the new york post talking about -- and also the associated press, talking about the scenes of just incredible joy in canada, mexico, the airport, where they're interviewing people who have been separated from families now for a year or two. people in tears, like, for instance, the airport in paris who maybe haven't seen a nephew who was born, haven't seen uncles or aunts or grandparents, and they're already wheeping before they get on the plane. the long, long lines in canada right now coming into the border and also in mexico, coming in to see family members. some parishioners who go to church just on the other side of the border, wanting to get reunited with their church family or their synagogue family. it's a very happy, exciting day for a lot of people that are lined up and can't wait to come back to america. >> for sure. and joining us now, chief executive officer of jet blue airways corporation, robin haze. these requirements, they're pretty tight, but i want you to explain the exceptions. proof of vaccine, negative covid test, and masking. correct? >> yeah. masking on the airplane, for sure. >> masking on the airplane, and then the exceptions. how does that work and does it get complicated? >> it's the first day today. i'm sure we'll have a few teething problems as we work through this. we're used to this. a number of international markets have been opened before today, and people were showing proof of tests. now we've got to check the test and vaccine certificate. we're happy to do it. it's a great day. >> how has been the response. joe was talking about the long lines. it looks like a lot of people want to get back to normal. >> the flights are full this week. when this was announced, our flights booked up, and it's going to be a very busy few weeks. >> uh-huh. mike, go ahead. >> you know, sir robin, the airline airline, you participated in part of cop 26 in london. the airline industry as well as other industries are aimed at reducing carbon, going carbon neutral by a certain period of time, whether it's 2030 or 2040. what about airline fuel? where do you stand in terms of improving airline fuel? synthetic fuel or whatever it is? i don't understand it. maybe you can explain it. >> this is a very important area. and actually, in october the global airline industry came together and committed to a net carbon zero by 2050. and so we've done that as an industry. jet blue has been a leader on this. we've already got a number of sustainable aviation fuel purchases which reduces carbon content by about 50%. we're very excited about future opportunities, and the other thing we can do right now in the u.s. is to work with the faa to create some of the investments we've made in more efficient air traffic control procedures. let's bring those into -- let's make those happen. let's accelerate the timelines. and that can save would you believe another 6% to 8 % of emissions if our air space was operated more efficiently. >> we've been talking in the show about legal challenges to the biden administration's vaccine mandate policy. jet blue requires vaccinations for employees? >> we're subject to the federal contractor policy. that's different to the general policy that's been challenged. >> how has it gone so far? you've seen increased people being vaccinated. walk us through how it works at your company. >> we've been doing vaccine drives, holding sessions to explain the benefits of getting vaccinated. we've made good progress. we're about 21,000 crew members of employees. we're down to under 300 people who have told us they don't want to get vaccinated, and from what i'm seeing, i think the number is going to get smaller. >> interesting. joe? >> mr. haze, mika and i obviously big fans of jet blue and always have been. and we've been fortunate on the flights that we've been taking over the past several months to have no incidences of rowdy passengers or anything. everybody has been polite and respectful to flight attendants, pilots. but obviously it's a growing problem. the amount of disrespect sometimes violence toward flight attendants, pilots, other people that work for your airline. what are you all doing to protect them? and do you -- are you considering a lifetime ban for any passengers who treat flight attendants and pilots disrespectfully? >> no. i mean, thanks for your comments, joe. look, this has been -- the vast majority of flights obviously go without any incidents. that's the good news. having said that, we have seen a significant up tick in the number of flights where we've had incidents that escalate often quickly. and yes, i mean, we have over 300 people that we have banned from jet blue now. a number of those have been subject to faa investigation and fines. and also where it gets extremely serious, we'll support criminal prosecutions of those involved. you may not want to wear a mask on the airplane. i understand it. i flew to london a couple months ago. it's very uncomfortable wearing a mask for six or seven hours, but you know before you buy your ticket, before you get on the airplane, that's the rule. you've got to follow it. >> that's the bottom line. >> well, yeah, that is -- i mean, that is the rule. i don't like doing it at all. it's the rule, and it's there for a reason. despite the fact that airlines are doing an extraordinary job in recirculating the air, we could talk about that at some other time, but i wanted to ask about the decision you made at the height of the pandemic. it made a big difference for mika and me. there were a couple times we had to travel. we didn't want to but we needed to for business. and you and delta made the decision that you were going to keep the center seats open at a time when infection rates were still high and going up. that made a huge difference for us, and it made our decision on what airlines to fly so much easier. can you tell me about -- did that have a big economic impact? did it hurt you? or have you found that like mika and me, whether it's delta or you guys who made this tough decision, it just made people more loyal to your brand? >> yeah. i mean, there was a number of things we did. you mentioned the middle seat. we were the first airline in the u.s. to require masking before there was a mandate. significant investments as all airlines made in additional cleaning. i mean, joe, you mentioned it. the people flying back then were flying because they had to. our number one goal was to make sure they felt as they flew they could do it safely. i think, actually, it created more confidence in our industry. it gave people a confidence in flying, and we saw when people had done a trip, we saw a very high likelihood they would fly again because of the procedures put in place. i think it was not any good for safety. it was good for business, too. >> yeah. i wonder, am i the only one that's going to wear a mask even after the pandemic? >> no. >> i'm just going to do it. >> yeah. you see people doing it prepandemic. >> especially in airports. >> and walking the streets wearing masks. >> joe, it's like protects you from the flu and stuff. >> the thing is, i've said it before, i hate wearing masks. i just hate them. at the same time, it's been really nice not having the flu for a couple years now. when i'm outside, i'm not going to wear a mask unless people are completely crowded around. but on airplanes, that's one of the few places where how many times -- >> why wouldn't you? >> we've flown so many years and you hear somebody coughing and sneezing and you're like i'm going to have the flu and halftime you did. that is a great thing that -- and it is one place where man, if i can go another year and a half, two years without the flu, i'll put that mask on in a plane whether i like it or not. >> there you go. >> jet blue ceo, thank you for coming. >> great to be here. thank you so much. >> back in person, carefully. still ahead the justice department has until 5:00 today to answer a legal challenge seeking a permanent halt of the biden administration's vaccine mandate for private businesses. plus a kidnapped teen signals for help using hand gesture. popularized on tiktok. the story behind her rescue next on "morning joe." xt on "morning e.jo ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ i'm a reporter for the new york times. if you just hold it like this. yeah. ♪ i love finding out things that other people don't want me to know. mm-hmm. [beep] i just wanted to say... ♪ find yourself in these situations and see who you are. and that's just part of the bargain. ♪ we are the next. the next generation of visionaries. rule breakers. game changers. and world beaters. we certainly aren't here to do what's been done before. and neither are we. at palo alto networks, we are ready to secure our digital future. we innovate to outpace cyberthreats. so you can make the next day safer than the one before. we've got next. a 16-year-old girl who was reported missing last week is now safe, thanks to a good samaritan, who recognized her signal for help. nbc news correspondent erin mclaughlin has incredible story. >> reporter: this man, 61-year-old james brick, is in police custody this morning, accused of abducting a teenager. he was captured in kentucky after his alleged 16-year-old victim made a hand gesture popularized on tiktok, that alerts people of domestic abuse. a quick-thinking motorist recognized the signal and took action. >> what the tiktok hand gesture is, you tuck your thumb in and you wrap your forefingers around it, and you release, tuck your thumb in, wrap your fingers around it and release, back and forth. >> reporter: deputy sheriff gilbert ashardo used the hand signal used by the distressed teenager sitting beside her an abductor in his vehicle. >> reporter: an alert motorist saw the zmal called police, giving the dispatcher mile marker updates that allowed police to set up a roadblock and make the arrest. the signal was created by the canadian women's foundation, in response to a surge in domestic violence. the signal becoming increasingly popular on tiktok, but not widely known. >> the use of the tiktok hand signal signifying i'm in trouble, i need help, was a groundbreaking event for us and maybe nationwide. because had she not given that signal to a motorist and had a motorist not recognized that signal, who knows where that 61-year-old man would have wound up with this 16-year-old girl. >> wow. our thanks to erin mclaughlin for that report. now to the biden administration's federal vaccine mandate for companies with at least 100 employees, which was temporarily blocked by a federal appeals court on saturday. a three-judge panel on the new orleans-based fifth u.s. circuit court of appeals said the new rules raised, quote, grave statutory and constitutional issues. the court gave the justice department until 5:00 p.m. today to respond to the lawsuit filed by gop-led states and businesses. here's what white house chief of staff ron klain had to say on "meet the press" yesterday. >> i'm quite confident when this finally gets fully adjudicated, not just a territory order, the validity of this requirement will be upheld. it's common sense, chuck. if osha can tell people to wear a hard hat on the job, to be careful around chemicals, it can put in place these simple measures to keep our workers safe. >> all right. we're going to move to the economy now. this morning, we've been discussing friday's strong jobs report, but not all sectors saw jobs growth. joining us now is the founder and ceo of all in together, lauren leader. and lauren, you're looking at, like, specific demographics here, and also, the unemployment rate for women. what are you finding. >> right, well, i think, let's put it in some context. so in september, the jobs report showed zero net gains for women in the jobs numbers, which was really distressing. and so, it's obviously great news that in october, women actually got the majority of the job gains, about 57% of that number went to women. however, as soon as you dig below that number, you see some really troubling and concerning trends. first of all, it was mostly white women. the unemployment rate for black women remains staggeringly high, over 7%. and when you look at the overall labor force participation of women, the number peaked in 1999 and has declined ever since. and so today, you see women are only about 55% of the labor force. that's a problem. the imf and other organizations estimate that just to close the labor force participation gap between men and women could add 5% to gdp. in short, if women stay out of the economy, and there are a bunch of sectors that i think are really worisome in terms of their recovery, we cannot recover as a nation. >> and african-american women doing worse than pre-pandemic numbers. >> they were not great to begin with, but they've really not recovered. and it's disturbing that so few of the gains in this month went to black women. that's really problematic. the issue is that some of the sectors that have historically been the best sectors for women, education, government jobs, hospitality were decimated in covid. and the question is whether they're coming back. hospitality seems to be coming back. but we need those jobs for black women to recover, for women's participation to recover, and we just don't know what's going to happen there. >> how do we focus in on that? how do we starting that? rather than just say how bad it is. how do we target that, given this political climate, that we can really focus on how we bring some equity there? >> well, there's no question, and i think nobody debates that the gap in child care and affordable child care has been the main reason why women have left the workforce since 1999. they peaked at a point and it became untenable. and where other nations invested in supporting working women, we never did. i think this next phase is absolutely essential if we want to see a full recovery. but for black women, we have got to get behind some of the bias in the system that is keeping them on the sidelines. and i don't think anybody questions that in a market where the majority of the new jobs are going to women and not to -- to white women, but not to black women, that there's not bias in the hiring system. and that has to be addressed. what field that the women made in unemployment? >> hospitality is really coming back. that has been the biggest employer for women. we're also seeing some of the lower wage service jobs coming back. they were decimated, obviously, in covid. but that also belies another big problem, which is the wages in those sectors aren't great. we're seeing wage growth, but the question is, can that wage growth even nominally keep up with child care costs. i think we know they can't, and that's why this next piece of the build back better will be so essential. we cannot recover if we don't invest in the infrastructure, the soft infrastructure for women to work. >> that's where i wanted to go next. how essential is the paid family leave part of this to helping women get back to the workforce. women who have been forced to stay home because of the pandemic. speaker pelosi has put it back in. there's a question whether senator manchin or others would allow it to stay. >> such a tiny percentage of american women have been access to paid leave. women have been talking over this last week about this basic idea, could you go back to work after four weeks after having a baby. who actually thinks that's possible? it disproportionately affects low-wage women. folks in occupational professionals have had paid leave. but what is going to be the drag on the economy is the non-college-educated women, their ability to get back in the workforce, to have the infrastructure and support that they need to stay working and paid leave is fundamental to that. we've known that for more than 30 years. >> and pre-k. >> and universal pre-k. there's no question. child care, pre-k, paid leave. >> just can't go to work. >> you can't go to work. >> lauren leader, thank you very much. we appreciate it. always making sure that you get a sense of the numbers, as it pertains. we'll put you next to steve and you'll do like the gender specific -- i don't have my charts. >> all right. that does it for us this morning. the great stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. cove. -- at least not in the next hour. good morning. i am stephanie ruhle, live at msnbc headquarters here in new york city. it is monday, november 8th, and we have a ton of news to get to. so let's buckle up and get a little smarter. we have got to start with the dramatic new developments at that deadly travis scott concert down in texas. the first civil lawsuits have been filed against scott, the concert's organizers, and the promoter. and police have opened at least one criminal investigation. eight people died during a crowd surge at the astro world festival in houston on friday night. two of those victims were teenagers. ags 14 and 16. hundreds more people were injured. and in just a few hours, we are expecting a news conference from one of the victim's families. witnesses describe a scene of pure chaos. >> as soon as he came out, the wave just like kind of crushed me, and i was like this, i was being controlled by everybody, and i had to keep my head up like this, like towards the sky, so i can breathe. >> you can hear everyone just saying, get out, i can't breathe, i'm about to pass out. i need you to move. >> security or emts could not physically to get over to anybody in the crowd. there was just too many people. and at some point, the barricades became a hindrance. like, anybody couldn't get over there. the people were trapped in the area.

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