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>> reporter: yeah, alex, i want to go right to that statement that just came in within the last few minutes. of course travis scott the primary musician that brought thousands of people to houston last night and he's saying i'm absolutely devastated by what took place. my prayers go out to families and all those impacted by what happened at the astroworld festival. houston p.d. has my total support as they continue to look into the tragic loss of life. i'm committed to working together with the houston community to heal and support the families in need. thank you to houston p.d., fire department and nrg park for their immediate response and support. love you all. and the video from last night absolutely heartbreaking to see again. this was astroworld, a highly anticipated event that was supposed to last friday and saturday, but you can see those thousands of people that officials say at around 9:15 last night started to surge towards the front portion of that stage for an unknown reason, and it was shortly thereafter that crowds started to scatter. by the time that chaos cleared, officials say eight people died. 17 others injured, and we are just now hearing some of the first accounts from witnesses who were there at the time. i want you to hear what one concertgoer had to say. >> these events, they tend to be aggressive, not to be -- they were today. that's just kind of how they are, and as for cops at the site, it just felt like resources were limited, that there wasn't enough to manage the crowd there. >> reporter: and other witnesses have expressed that same sentiment saying despite having medical tents on site at this massive concert, it only took a few minutes before staff there was overwhelmed, and we know that patients had to be taken to multiple nearby hospitals. still waiting on names and ages of those victims involved, but the police chief says that this is very much an active investigation. it appears that some of the victims here, alex, went into cardiac arrest. the reason still unknown at this time, but absolutely a heartbreaking story coming out, that concert, meanwhile, canceled shortly thereafter last night, and again today as well as authorities try to figure out what led to this tragic scene. alex. >> you know, i'd heard word, morgan, of some arrests or at least maybe not arrests, i want to correct myself, but at least people being detained by police officers when they appeared on scene. do you know anything about that and what those detainments might have been for? >> authorities do say that they have been questioning as many people as possible simply because when you look at that scene, alex, thousands of people and such a tight confined area, the videos still make it very unclear as to what happened whenever that crowd surged towards that stage, and to have that many people impacted, those tragic eight deaths, 17 others injured, there's so many accounts going out right now. we do know authorities are trying to speak to as many witnesses as possible, and also putting together a cohesive story, alex. >> morgan chesky, thank you for bringing us the very latest. appreciate that let's go to more breaking news this hour, with the president taking a victory lap after the house passed that historic bipartisan infrastructure bill. >> we're looking more forward to having shovels in the ground to begin rebuilding america, and for all of you at home who feel left behind and forgotten in an economy that's changing so rapidly, this bill is for you. >> the president said he plans to sign the measure into law soon during the ceremony, earlier today on msnbc transportation secretary pete buttigieg gave insight into the bill's immediate impacts. >> we cannot wait to deploy resources, to improve roads and bridges in rural areas and in big cities alike. we're going to be standing up new programs that are going to help us with some of these clean investments that we're making. we're helping thousands of yellow school buses go electric around the country, ports and airports, obviously ports deservedly getting a lot of attention right now. >> and six progressive democrats voted no on the bipartisan infrastructure bill, standing firm on their desire to have it moved together with the build back better act. but the bill also ended up getting support from 13 house republicans helping it get to the president's desk. republican congressman marjorie taylor greene lashing out at her colleagues on twitter she writes republicans who hand over their voting card to nancy pelosi to pass biden's communist takeover of america will feel the anger of the gop voter. house progressives and moderates reaching an agreement to pass a rule that will allow for the passage of the build back better act a bit later this month. last hour progressive chair pramila jayapal expressing the importance of this agreement for the social spending package. >> this was about can we look each other in the eye and start to reestablish trust? because that is going to be essential for everything else we need to do. i trust that they looked me in the eye and said they were going to pass the build back better act as soon as they had a chance to look at the fiscal information. that will be transformative. >> and president biden today confident that with or without republican support, his social spending plan will make its way to his desk and become law. >> we're going to see what happens in the senate and whether or not i need only democratic votes, which is likely. this is the likely outcome, and the question is can i get all of those votes. this is a process. all along you've told me i can't do any of it anyway. i feel confident, i feel confident that we will have enough votes to pass the build back better plan. >> joining us now nbc's lauren eagan with covering the president in rehoboth beach, delaware, and gary grumbach monitoring the developments on capitol hill. lauren, what are we hearing from the president on the heels of this huge political win? >> yeah, this is a celebratory moment for the white house and for president biden. we heard from him just a few hours ago in that speech really take a victory lap, and we expect him to continue to tout this bill as going forward into next week. he said already he had plans to visit some ports next week presumably those will be ports that will benefit from this bipartisan infrastructure bill, and we also expect the president to host a signing ceremony at some point in the coming days at the white house with republicans and democrats to really underscore the fact that this is a bipartisan win. president biden ran a campaign on promising to unite republicans and democrats to deliver on this so that's something that we expect the president to hold in the coming days. he also said that everyday americans were going to start feeling the impact of this bill in the coming weeks as projects begin hiring up people for these new infrastructure plans, and so he really framed this as a bill, as a proposal that was going to benefit everyday working class americans. we know that the president was deeply involved in negotiations in the final few days of leading up to this vote. he was in the oval office and in the white house residence late last night making phone calls to moderates and progressives, and that pressure really ramped up after we saw the democrats lose the governorship in virginia on tuesday. the president was asked during that news conference this morning whether or not he thought the virginia outcome could have been different if this bill was passed sooner. listen to what he had to say. >> i'm not going to be a prognosticator and make a judgment about what -- how the election could or would have been different. each state is different. i don't know. i think the one message that came across was get something done. it's time to get something done. you all stop talking, get something done. and so i think, again, that's what the american people are looking for. >> we heard a lot from the president on this bipartisan infrastructure bill, but what we did not hear from him earlier was a guarantee that there are the votes there to get his second part of his agenda passed, that's the build back better plan. that social safety net spending agenda he has. he could not promise that that was going to make it across the finish line, so alex, while this is a celebratory moment for the white house, the second part of the president's agenda faces a rocky road ahead. >> they could celebrate last night. they got to get back to work today. thank you so much for that. we're going to turn now to nbc's gary grumbach. what all is in this infrastructure bill, bipartisan we should note, that is awaiting the president's signature? >> so this is what has been referred to as hard infrastructure, think roads and bridges, basically if you travel on it or in it, there's probably money for it in this bill. so let's get into it and see exactly what we're talking about here. we're talking about $110 billion for roads and bridges, 39 billion for public transit. 25 billion for airports, and 66 billion for president biden's favorite mode of transportation, rail. there's also billions of dollars for energy, clean drinking water, and broadband. these are things that will make a significant difference, especially in rural areas of this country. and that's sort of the point, right? that was the point of this really late night last night for these members so that they could vote on this, send it to the president's desk and go back into their districts this upcoming week while they're way from and say, hey, guys, look, i have a new road coming here. i have a fixed bridge coming here. this is what this money is going towards. now, that was only half of it. that's only half of what we're talking about here. the other half is this human infrastructure, things like child care, paid family leave, provisions related to climate. that's going to have a much more uphill climb to actually get to the president's desk, and we are facing the end of the year here, and this is not the only thing on a congress's agenda. they've got to raise the debt ceiling, fund the government for the next few months. they've also got to reestablish the national defense authorization act, and if they want to do this build back better plan. a busy next few weeks for congress. >> i love how you put that, though, if you travel on it or in it, there's money for it. planes, trains, automobiles, check, check, check. thank you so much, gary grumbach. now that the infrastructure bill is a reality, how might it impact the prices you pay at the market and the gas station for thanksgiving dinner perhaps? 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what are the complaints and what are the hopes? >> reporter: alex there's a lot of anger and frustration among the tens of thousands of protesters who took to the streets of glasgow today. what they're angry about is that they say these promises and these pledges made by countries are way too out in the future. they want action on climate change now. they don't want countries to reach net zero emissions by 2050 or cut greenhouse gases in half by 2030. they said that's way too late. the earth will have changed dramatically. they want action now, and that's the message they sent to the u.n. climate negotiators who are meeting about a couple of miles from here. it is the halfway point in these talks and the talks, the goal of the talks this time is to get the world to make even bigger and faster commitments to cut greenhouse gases to keep the earth warming no more than 1.5 degrees celsius or 2.7 degrees fahrenheit. now, recent analysis show that we are going to pass that mark, go way off that mark even with the pledges that have been made, and that can lead to things like food and water disruption, sea level rise, and can force thousands, maybe even millions of people from their homes because the environment will change. the people here today say they don't want that to happen. they want fossil fuel use to stop now, and why? because fossil fuels are why the earth is heating. when you burn fossil fuels, you create these heat trapping gases that warm the earth. alex. >> it is extraordinary, and it's very difficult to argue with all of their complaints got to say. thank you so much, anne. new numbers showing a big boost to the u.s. economy. in fact, the country gained 531,000 jobs in october, and the unemployment rate fell to 4.6%, and here's what president biden had to say this week on the success of that jobs report. >> we're the fastest growing major economy, and one creating job at a faster pace than anyone. yet, yes, there's -- you know, there's a lot more to be done. we still have to tackle the costs american families are facing, but this recovery is faster, stronger, fairer and wider than almost anyone could have predicted. that's what the numbers say. >> and joining me now is heather long, economic supporter for "the washington post." wow, two weekends in a row, it's good to see you again, heather. so the white house is certainly happy with the october numbers, but let's first mention another win with the passing of the $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill. how impactful is this for the u.s. economy? >> it's really expected to be transformational for the u.s. economy. this finally addresses, makes big investments, obviously, in the infrastructure, which is -- we are all seeing right now what happens when we don't make those investments with all of these supply chain backlogs, but i will say you sort of asked before the break, is this going to change things in time for the holidays. you know, the white house obviously trying to get a lot of this money out as soon as they can, but the reality is the transformational impact on the economy is mostly going to happen in to 2023, 2024, and 2025. that's when economists are expecting as much as 800,000 more jobs because of this bill and impact and increased growth going forward. so basically this bill will hopefully prevent supply chain mess from happening again down the road. but it's probably not going to get more toys and gadgets on the shelf before christmas and hanukkah. >> how about psychologically speaking, though, the fact that it's out there, that it is coming, that it's locked down, that it will be delivered, is there a way to harness that and help that either influence the mind-set of americans or give them the kind of confidence they should have in the economy and make the economy a little bit better because of that? >> i think you're exactly right. that could be a huge psychological impact. obviously we've been seeing in poll after poll that even though the economic numbers look really good, stock market at a record high. we're starting to see the recovery pick up again with these jobs coming back in many fields, you still have this kind of unease about the economy right now, some of that is because of higher inflation, and some of that is because people were looking at congress and sort of thinking why can't they do anything. so you're right, i do think that this -- we are already starting to see some confidence numbers rebound want they really slipped in august and september during the delta variant, and this could go a long way towards hopefully having a strong close to the year. >> here's something that i need explaining from you. the u.s. added over 500,000 jobs. however, the labor force participation rate remains low. in fact, nearing the lows of the 1970s. why is that? i mean, what is that exactly? how do you read those numbers? >> yeah, it's a great question. basically we still have -- we are still missing over 4 million jobs that we had before the pandemic that people have not come back, and we have millions of americans who are still sitting on the sidelines. they say they want a job, but they are not actively searching for one right now. some of that may still be some fears around the virus. you and i have talked a lot about those child care and day care issues that still remain, particularly for women. one in ten day care workers are still missing, haven't come back, and then there's this deeper issue going on. we've seen it with so many people quitting jobs and retiring early. as people have really had a deep impact of this pandemic, and they are trying to change jobs. they're wanting something very different in their job. they don't necessarily want to go back to what they might have considered a dead end type of job, and so there's a little bit of a mismatch. yes, there's tons of jobs available right now, but a lot of people are not seeing the jobs that they would like to see, that they really think could make them thrive. at the moment, they're still kind of waiting. waiting it out to see if they can get something better. >> we've talked about inflation right now, the inflation rate is at 5.4%. that is a 13-year high. the next inflation update comes november 10th, right? what do you expect then? >> look, it's probably still going to stay high for the next few months. you know, whether it stays at 5.4, it comes down a little bit. it is not expected to ease much until next summer. and people are really feeling this. we talk a lot about strong wage growth that we have seen. you know, it's over 10% wage growth for a lot of workers in the restaurant and hospitality sector in the past year, but reality is almost all of those wage gains have been wiped out by higher inflation. that's why the white house is pushing so hard for the build back better agenda because that bill includes more money like extending that child tax credit for 2022 that puts cash in the hands of families so that they can hopefully offset these higher gas prices, higher food prices, and what really worries me, these rising rent prices. >> yeah, okay. heather long, i'm sure we're going to talk to you again, there's a lot to discuss. appreciate you very much. six progressive lawmakers voted no on the infrastructure bill. up next, one of their colleagues in the progressive caucus will tell me what put her in the yes column. put her in the yes column ♪ when you have nausea, ♪ ♪ heartburn, ingestion, upset stomach... ♪ ♪ diarrheaaaa.♪ try pepto bismol with a powerful coating action. for fast and soothing relief. pepto bismol for fast relief when you need it most. to make progress, we must keep taking steps forward. we believe the future of energy is lower carbon. and to get there, the world needs to reduce global emissions. at chevron, we're taking action. tying our executives' pay to lowering the carbon emissions intensity of our operations. it's tempting to see how far we've come. but it's only human... to know how far we have to go. hey hun hey, get your own vapors but it's only human... relax with vicks vapobath or with vicks vaposhower. take a soothing vicks vapo moment wherever you chose. exploring the heart of historic europe with viking, you'll get closer to iconic landmarks, to local life and legendary treasures as you sail onboard our patented, award-winning viking longships. you'll enjoy many extras, including wi-fi, cultural enrichment from ship to shore and engaging excursions. viking - voted number one river cruise line by condé nast readers. learn more at viking.com. 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was there a message being sent? because six a lot different than one or two. >> look, i think each of us have to make the decision that we think is right for our district and our constituents and i have a lot of respect for my colleagues. we were all ready to vote for both bills into final passage when the day started, but as the plans changed, i think it was very natural for some people to feel like this was no longer the right choice for them, and they have a very important voice in our caucus, and continuing to push us to make sure that we get the best build back better act that we can, and so i'm confident when the build back better act comes up for a vote, we're going to have the votes across the entire democratic caucus, and i think it's good that we are the kind of party where every member feels like they have the ability to make the choice that's right for them and for their constituents and their district and we're not like the republicans who just fall lock step into whatever their leadership tells them. >> well, this all begins, the work the weekend of november 15th when the house is back in session after the veterans day break, and we have seen deadlines coming and go when it comes to these negotiations. are you confident democrats are going to get this done by thanksgiving? >>. >> i am. i'm feeling very confident and very optimistic. the president of the united states is very committed to getting this done. he has given us his word that he will be able to deliver the votes in both the house and the senate. i have talked to my colleagues across the caucus, and i feel very good that as soon as we get the cbo's score back that shows what i believe it will show, this is a deficit neutral bill, we will have the votes and we will get it done the week of november 15th. >> sara jacobs, thank you so much. there's new reporting on the investigation into the january 6th attack on capitol hill. it shows jeffrey clark, a top doj official in the trump administration is refusing to cooperate with the select committee after meeting with investigators on friday. in a letter obtained by "politico," clark's counsel reportedly cites attorney/client privilege among other things to justify his client's refusal to cooperate. joining me now, hugo lowell, congressional reporter for "the guardian." welcome back, walk us through jeffrey clark's role in all of this. how significant of a witness is he in this investigation? what exactly happened? because he showed up, but he didn't answer any questions. >> reporter: that's right, jeffrey clark showed up yesterday for a deposition we think at o'neal office building and he was there to answer questions posed by the select committee. we understand that he at least showed up so as not to immediately face the same fate as steve bannon who was held in contempt for not showing up at all, and in that sense was trying to give it the gesture of, you know, cooperation in some sense. but you know, jeffrey clark was this guy at the trump doj who was instrumental in helping or trying to advance trump's effort to subvert the election. you know, he was the one who kind of co-oped the acting attorney general and the doj to subvert the election and pressure states and lawmakers to return to trump to office. >> look, yeah, he showed up, but it's my understanding he brought a 12-page letter from his attorney, so basically shows up and says, yeah, i'm here. here's what i'm going to say, which is nothing. but it's a result of attorney/client privilege. does that apply to this kind of situation? we're talking about the doj and the president of the united states here. >> it's certainly a novel legal argument to say that you're working on behalf of the president when you're an official at the justice department. ostensibly supposed to be working on behalf of the american people. so this was an interesting development, and a number of legal scholars we've talked to suggest that this is not a particularly viable claim indeed, i think, the select committee's chairman bennie thompson outright rejected that claim in a statement yesterday and threatened criminal contempt. the fact of the matter is, you know, he might have been dealing with the president, but just because you're speaking with the president, doesn't mean you can't answer any questions about it. it doesn't mean that you get like an executive privilege or an attorney/client privilege waiver to not discuss those conversations. so i think jeffrey clark might find himself in a very difficult position in coming weeks. >> okay, hugo lowell, thank you very much. we'll see you soon. mystery surrounds the personal diary of one of president biden's daughters and a break-in at her home. it involves an fbi investigation and a conservative media company known for its controversial undercover videos. at t-mobile for business, unconventional thinking means we see things differently, so you can focus on what matters most. whether it's ensuring food arrives as fresh as when it departs... being first on the scene when every second counts... or teaching biology without a lab. we are the leader in 5g and a partner who delivers exceptional customer support and 5g included in every plan. so, you get it all, without trade-offs. unconventional thinking, it's better for business. ♪ when you have nausea, ♪ ♪ heartburn, ingestion, upset stomach... ♪ ♪ diarrheaaaa.♪ try pepto bismol with a powerful coating action. for fast and soothing relief. pepto bismol for fast relief when you need it most. ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ we're back with a curious mystery involving a conservative media company, the president's daughter, and the fbi. on thursday federal agents searched several locations connected to current and former members of project veritas. this comes after another conservative website published portions of ashley biden's diary, an item reportedly stolen during a burglary at her home. joining me now is danny se value las, an msnbc legal analyst. what is your interpretation of what happened here, danny? >> there are really two ways of looking at this. on the one hand, you have an alleged burglary. one of the more serious crimes in our crimes book because it's so dangerous. and then you apparently have this evidence of the fruits of that burglary somehow surfacing and somehow in between this project veritas, you can understand law enforcement taking an interest. then again, i've got to wonder on the other side, would anyone go throwing up any roadblocks if my diary happened to go missing? i seriously doubt it. so you can see on both sides a narrative splicing off here. on the right you're seeing folks saying, it's a diary. why is project veritas being investigated. they're journalists, typically the doj doesn't execute search warrants on journalists. on the other hand, if you have evidence of a burglary, if there is a federal jurisdictional hook and the federal government believes there's probable cause to convince a judge to get a search warrant, then go forward with the search warrant. >> a question before i ask you what they were looking for in these raids. if there comes out proof that ashley biden was targeted, that it wasn't a random burglary, does that change the dynamic at all? >> that gives it a political component, and for that reason that could be why the southern district is interested in this theft or alleged theft or whatever the case may be. there's a narrative on the other side that somehow the diary was left somewhere and found when someone else came into a place where ashley biden was staying. so you have a lot of conflicting factual reports there. all you have to do is look at the core. the core here is that someone was able to convince a judge from the southern district that there was enough evidence of a possible crime to get a search warrant, which is at least a probable cause standard you have to prove to a judge, that there may be fruits of some crime found at these locations. so ostensibly, that's why the judge ordered the warrant so there must be enough smoke for a judge to think that there's fire. >> to look for what with these investigators in these raids? what are they looking for? >> most likely a digital connection or even a paper connection because what we know so far is that burglary -- diary allegedly stolen, somehow it passes through project veritas, they say and this is pretty common for journalists, that a source or someone came to them -- >> tipster -- >> and gave them this diary, a tipster that they're calling this person. this happens all the time with journalists, as long as the journalist generally speaking didn't play a part in the crime itself, and they are just the recipient of these documents, it happens all the time. we've seen it in the nixon presidency. we've seen it throughout history. there is a long and very how should i say, respected history of journalists obtaining documents that may have been unlawfully gotten by whistle-blowers or people with even more nefarious patterns. >> the fact that project veritas did not publish the excerpts of the diary, does that make them at all culpable because they have them in their possession or no to the points that you were making? >> it's interesting because project veritas has said they did not publish the diary. they returned -- they tried to return the diary to ashley biden's lawyer, then to law enforcement, but pages of this diary still got out, so that peg begs the question as to how truthful project veritas is being about what they did with the diary. if they handled it so carefully, how did pages ever get out in the first place. that part there has to certainly be interesting to federal investigators, but far more important is the genesis of where the diary came from and the means by which project ver tsa got it. i can tell you any journalist who steps across the line and encourages someone to commit, say, a theft or a burglary to obtain information or evidence, that crosses the line from good journalism into essentially participating in the crime itself. and it's a line no journalist should cross, no matter what side you're on. >> yeah, yeah. thus by calling this a curious case, i mean, all of this, there's still a lot of unanswered questions, danny cevallos thank you for providing the answers webd get from you. appreciate that. one public health expert now says the end of the pandemic is in sight. what does that mean? 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it was an internet sensation. what is it that you want people to take away from hearing the business side of this story? >> i think that the most important thing about us getting the business side out is that we were just ordinary people running a commercial landscaping business and we got caught up into something that we didn't expect would ever happen, so it's, you know, kind of a story about a pivot in a business where we were able to capitalize on all of this attention in a very positive way. >> yeah. christopher, why was it important for you to tell this story? >> i mean, i think everyone in the entire world wanted to tell this story, right? every outlet under the sun was reaching out to them right after and they were just getting this onslaught of interest from people, and ironically, i was actually friends with sean's brother, kevin, and so i was able to get in touch with them directly and start talking to them and approached the story from their perspective. i wasn't as interested in solving the mystery. i mean, clearly, i was, but really, i wanted to know how did this event turn their lives completely upside down? >> you say that you weren't that interested in solving the mystery, christopher, and yet did you find out how this happened? >> i mean, i don't want to give you any spoilers, but yes. absolutely. i mean, watch the documentary. you're going to get the definitive answer of what really happened. and in making the film, i was really amused by how the media really just wanted to tell their own narrative of what happened. there were so many sort of misinterpreted moments that happened, and to be able to go to the horse's mouth, to get the story from them directly was -- it was a responsibility that i didn't take lightly, and i can't wait for the world to see it, honestly. >> yeah, no, absolutely. i mean, that's worth the price of admission right there. that's for sure. sean, let's hear from one of your colleagues who is featured in the film. here it is. >> i got a phone call from my son, anthony, and he said, mom, this is bigger than we think. and he sends me a picture while i'm talking to him. and rudy's sitting at my desk, and the plaque in front of my desk says "boss lady." i looked at my husband and i said, i think we better get over there. >> that was the president and ceo, marie. what was the most fascinating part of witnessing this accidental history? what did you learn, and how did this moment impact the business? did it drive business, down? have you got an assessment of that overall? >> sure. i think that the most important lesson that we learned was to stay positive and to not put our heads in the sand when something happens. we were very proactive in getting out in front of this and letting the world know that we were in on this joke too. i mean, in a million years, we never could have expected that the press conference would turn out the way it was. we didn't know what the content was going to be or even at that point who would be delivering the remarks at the press conference. so, i think that, you know, that was a big takeaway, just being out in front of the situation, like i mentioned, and then, you know, as far as the business, we've done a really great job keeping this whole speculate and the core business separate from each other and i think that was really important. >> yeah. >> so, it certainly hasn't had a negative effect. we were already really successful at commercial landscaping, but it's been a great story to tell and for people who are fans of the story, it's great because it's just a warm entry into a potential new client. >> real quick, is there one thing, christopher, that as you're making the film, you went, whoa, that's stopping me in my tracks, that you found out? >> i could believe the reaction from the public after it. it clearly took on a life of its own. i mean, they sold $1.5 million worth of t-shirts. they were able to donate money to local charities. people were traveling to four seasons to take photographs. when i was there filming, there were people randomly showing up and taking photos out front. this moment became more than just this internet joke. it became a way for us to realize, you know, we can't take our lives so seriously. we should be able to learn from our mistakes. we should be able to laugh at ourselves and stay humble. and for me, it was just a really sobering moment to remind, wow, like, this is one united country when we can be. >> yeah. all right, well, good lessons there, christopher stout, sean middleton, thank you so much. for all of you, our viewers, we invite you to watch "four seasons total documentary" tomorrow night right here on msnbc. ♪♪

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