be served as they say and we've said this many times before, trump attorney john eastman. he is the trump friendly lawyer who argued vice president, mike pence, indeed had the authority to overturn the 2020 presidential election and then blamed them for the attack on the capitol when he didn't. vice chair of the committee list cheney also confirmed to nbc news that the committee is already interviewed over 150 people. not among them however is close trump ally steve bannon, who the house found in contempt two weeks ago for defying the subpoena, it is now up to the attorney general, merrick garland, to decide what happens next and so far he is not saying, also tonight nbc news confirming a story first reported by the washington post that the manhattan da a has convened a second grand jury to investigate the trump organization. the post puts it this way, one person familiar with the matter said that the second country was expected to examine how former president donald trump's company valued its assets. it's assets, forgive me, the previous grand jury revolted in felony indictments against to trump companies and his longtime chief financial officer allen weisselberg. and as we mentioned, we have some movement on the presidents economic plan tonight. president has been on the phone today with undecided note, but we said that before. tonight, there is where the house members are now planning to vote on both the infrastructure legislation and the financial bill tomorrow. democrats will likely have to go it alone on the so-called human infrastructure bill since there are still no republican vote for it. >> this bill, the social spending bill that they may vote on tonight, is for gasoline inflations. do emirate democrats claim to be a moderate? if you vote for the social spending package tonight, you are going to get your ass beat and you deserve it. >> and while the voting rights portion of biden's agenda remains completely stalled in congress, the justice department intervening the tried of stop some of the worst and most severe voting restrictions in our country. and a lawsuit filed today, doj is arguing the new texas law is unconstitutional. saying if i let the voting and civil rights act. we'll have more on that a little bit later. and in the covid fight, the president making good on the vaccine mandate announced back in september, the administration today sitting a january four deadline for private businesses to comply. that covers about 84 million americans, private employers with over hundred workers will need to make sure that their employees are vaccinated or else be tested weekly. notably, employees are not required to split the bill for those tests. we will have more in our discussion on this later on in the broadcast. but with that, let's bring in our starting line on this thursday night, sam stein, veteran journalist white house editor at politico. kimberly atkins stohr, previously at the boston herald, now a member of the boston globe editorial board. , former u.s. attorney, joyce alene, who spent 25 years as a prosecutor, she and we kimberly atkins stohr, makeup have the team the host the podcast sisters in law. along with joe and barbara mcquade. good evening and welcome to you all. joyce alene, i'd like to begin with. you 20 subpoenas going out from the one six committee. who should be nervous tonight? >> you know, everybody should be nervous, brian, because one thing this committee has shown with the pace of its work is that they are going full steam ahead. they have flushed out the committee stuff, they have people who have had some experience with financial destinations. so some of the people that they interviewed are probably people whose names we have heard. but others may well be people who are behind the scenes. people who understand how money moves, that bringing people from washington for these advance. the committee holds no bars at this point. >> sam stein, this big house vote tomorrow, give us please a preview and some real world expectations. i >> we have been down this road twice before where it looks like there was going to be a vote on the physical infrastructure bill only for the house to delay. this one feels a bit different. they have been working lawmakers aggressively. not just for the physical infrastructure bill before the human infrastructure bill. the massive social and climate spending package that they have put together. in all indication from my sources up on the hill and those who are following it, suggests that by tomorrow they should have the 218 votes that they need for both those agenda items. what that means is that the house clears it, it goes to the senate where they face a -- wild inch restructure bills going to be passed, but the human infrastructure bill faces and uncertainty face because a lot of components that they need to add into this bill in order to get those 218 votes like, paid medically, for instance. they are not going to get the votes that they need, they may not survive the parliamentarian sufficiency that they can actually apply by reconciliation rules. so it won a major step forward that is likely coming tomorrow, but it is not the end of the road. >> i feared that you are going to say that. hey kimberly atkins stohr, how damning must the documents be over 700 pages of them for donald trump to go to court to try and block the committee from seeing them and taking possession? >> clearly they are getting to what the committee is trying to find out. that is one reason why donald trump is fighting. it also, keep in mind, it may not have much to do with the fact of what is in each actual document, and the fact that donald trump really wants to delay this entire process that is one thing that the judge source told it. the former president tried to drag out with his executive privilege argument that -- the attorneys no must hold no water. it seems politically, especially with the number of witnesses that the committee is already investigating that this is going to be a full some thorough investigation that led up to january six. so i think the following days can only last for so long especially given the way that the judge reacted to it. >> joyce alene, back to the judges comment, what meaning did you attach to her word when federal judges appointed to live speech that it is important that we pay attention? also, if i can a second part, what do you make of the importance of a second new york grandeur? >> i think the judge was very clear when she spoke in this case indicating that ultimately there was a balancing test that had to happen in this case, the issue, although it's an issue that has never been decided before with the former president and the current president, the point that was made by doj lawyers was that the issue was neither novel nor difficult. the judge seemed to handle them in that manner so that she would act expeditiously. i think we will hear ruin playing from her shortly. an approving tone on her from all of the documents. the new york situation is interesting as well, brian. but i wouldn't read too much into it. grandeur is in the state system in new york don't last for the longer terms that we are used to in the federal system. and it is a little bit quirkier when you try to stun those grounders. normally, if you have a grand jury that hearing an investigative case, and their time expires as a federal prosecutor, that you just routinely extend their time as a state prosecutor to grounders involved in that decision, and they don't always want to continue to sit. so this looks like it is just the rather routine procedural mechanism where a new grand jury is being brought on board to continue the work of a pre-existing grander. >> sam stein, leave it to the new york post, easily the story of the night is their headline, activists drew joe manchin's maserati as he tries to leave parking garage. another story about the acting president, joe manchin, walking from his motor yacht to the maserati staying on brand for a west virginia senator. is he just an immovable problem for the rest of the democratic party? >> hardly, hardly. he moved incrementally, but he has moved. he had a mind that he was not going to accept anything over 1.5 trillion dollars. he is now at 1.5 seven trillion dollars. obviously nowhere where the party initially was, but he did decide. he has been open to had uncertain provisions back into the legislative language, but he has been very firm on not allowing things like paid leave in. there ultimately, the people we talked to on the hill think that he is going to be there at the end, a lot of this theatrical that this is sort of the process that mentioned works by, i think the big miscalculation early on was that he would respond to threats, protesters, and the holding of hostage of the physical infrastructure bill by the house. but he won in that bill so, bad that he would make some sort of agreement on the human infrastructure bill. those who know joe manchin, that is just not how he operates. he is not going to be pushed her bullied into doing something like that. and he actually does take a bit of pride in it. in the idea that he is a negotiator of good faith. now will he come throughout the? and obviously people on the democratic side are nervous. but look, tuesday have been. virginia, new jersey, could've given him the signal to say, i am done with this, no more negotiations, the party has gone way too far in one direction, i need to direct impact the other way -- he did not do that, he just reiterated his position, a lot of democrats see that as a positive side for the state in the build back better agenda. >> of course sam stein, it would be tough to get anything through the senate with members of the sudden out of town on a richly deserved ten-day break. >> i wish i had the same vacation schedule that the members do. they seem to be out for a fair bit of time. but look, i think you hit a very interesting point which is that this process, everyone wanted this process to be, done and of, august and of october. it is not going to get done until at the earliest, around thanksgiving, and even that seems optimistic. the house is going to pass this bill, they are going to take, it they're gonna discard members, they're gonna change out there ways. and then they have to merge those things. even if it passes the sudden. then you're going to go back and forth. and ultimately we are looking to something closer to december. you could end up going into 2022, which is what joe manchin always said he wanted to do. >> kimberly atkins stohr, which would do more to lift up biden's fortunes and sagging poll numbers. both bills signed sealed, or doing something about gasoline prices which they seem to have discovered this week? >> yes, i think these bills are so far over dude. these are things that are measured out of the pandemic that voters wanted. they wanted paid leave, they wanted economic health -- help, to get over this last slump in the economy. i think passing the build back better voting rights is not on the table at the moment is probably the most important thing in the short term. just for democrats to go back to their district and say, look at what we have done and break it down specifically for folks. i think right now, we are seeing a lot of people, just impatient, we're seeing them in action, and democrats aren't in charge. the democrats will be blame for that. and i think that forward motion is what the president and all democrats need if they even have a shot given the political headwind that are ruling against them in 2022. >> and joyce vance, as a former fan, even though we have a guess from the broadcast, what is the chance that this doj effort against the texas voter suppression? i will have any effect in our lifetime as opposed to just getting bottled up in court? >> this doj cases an interesting one brine, it's more of a targeted and surgical right than anything else it uses remaining provisions, there are very many in the voting rights that in civil rights the provision to attack efforts by texas to upheld the rights of voters with disability so if you need help voting if you need someone there sight impaired and you need someone to confirm that their ballot is probably marched in the way that you think it marked it. this law will support to make that impossible doj is challenging those sorts of changes to the law in texas. and they've done something else that is very interesting, there is also a lawsuit by private parties challenging these new texas rules, and the state of texas has come back and has said, you know private parties under the voting rights that there is no private right of action, so your cases being dismissed. today doj the statement an interest in that case saying not so quick texas there is a private right of action not only doj but private parties have the ability of the challenge the sauce. that is essential, without that private party provision, when you have a justice department that is less inclined the fall these challenges, it would be open season on voting rights, so a strong sense that from doj and one that i think will ultimately bear fruit. so appreciative to the three of you for taking on all of our questions tonight. sam stein, kimberly accidents joyce vance, our starting line with our thanks on a thursday night. coming up for us with the dust now settling in the commonwealth of virginia. two of our very favorite political observers are here for a damaged assessment, for the democrats. 84 million workers now face a deadline to get vaccinated, or get tested a lot. that's generating even more resistance from the right, as the anti vaxxer's get busy once again, luckily for us, we have a top doctor standing by. all of it, as we are just getting underway on the 11th hour, great thursday night beneath the capitol dome. ay night beneath the capitol dome [♪♪] cooking and eating at home more often means food odors get trapped in your home's fabrics and released back into the air so you smell last night's dinner the next morning. for an easy way to keep your whole home smelling fresh try febreze fabric refresher. febreze's water-based formula deeply penetrates fabrics to eliminate trapped food odors as it dries. spray febreze fabric refresher when you clean up after meals to ensure your entire home smells fresh and clean. try febreze fabric refresher. brand power. helping you buy better. every day in business brings something new. so get the flexibility of the new mobile service designed for your small business. introducing comcast business mobile. you get the most reliable network with nationwide 5g included. and you can get unlimited data for just $30 per line per month when you get four lines or mix and match data options. available now for comcast business internet customers with no line-activation fees or term contract required. see if you can save by switching today. comcast business. following glenn youngkin's powering possibilities. victory in virginia, political reports he tapped into the parents pandemic-era frustrations in that state. and now republicans want to use his playbook in 2022. quote, republicans say his frequent messaging on education, stoking parental worries about progressivism in the classroom. well urging them to play a greater role in schools, helped him pull ahead, will his democratic opponent stayed stuck in the past, trying to tie the youngkin to donald trump. there may have been too polite to say something else, mcauliffe poured gasoline all over himself, when he said during that debate, that he did not think parents should tell schools with they should teach. he said that remember during a pandemic, that has turned all parents into teachers at home. back with us tonight, victoria defrancesco soto professor system dean at the lbj school of public affairs. university of texas austin. mark mckinnon, former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain. there's still among the cohost of the circus. apparently a unity fan as, well on showtime. good evening and welcome to you both. mark, let's start on youngkin. what percentage of youngkin's win, was a well run youngkin campaign? and what percentage was because of the entitlement of the mcauliffe campaign, the unforced errors of the mcauliffe campaign, that grants in the youngkin and his team jumped on. >> in order to win in a state that won ten points of joe biden, had to be a combination of everything, start with a great candidate. it's one of the best run campaigns that i've ever seen. super message that was hyperlocal. and also blessed by the opposition. until the remark by mcauliffe, remind me of john kerry in 2004 when he said i voted for it i voted against. that became the whole campaign. that obviously said everything the youngkin campaign wanted. he said it about himself. i was just thinking about the numbers, vicky may have the exact numbers, but i think about bush we talk about wanting to get the hispanic vote in 2000. i think that youngkin got more than 50% of the expanding voters in virginia, somebody may double check that on me, but he got a lot. >> professor that certainly has been the trend line, with the republicans who sacks making inroads among hispanic voters. 0.1, do you think what happened in virginia, is a portable skill that they can move on and put on the road in 2020? or was it a one-off? >> when we saw with youngkin, let me just put this out there, the data is a little spotty because what we're seeing is the third of the latino vote, which is one about trump got nationally. there's not too much there. the thing that really caught my attention, this is what you all day with george w. bush's campaign, was really highlighting the american dream piece of it. this office goes back, and that you are not demonizing, you are saying hey, i am one of you, and i want economic security. and i also want general security. we saw that prime component as well. that's what's youngkin did in spanish, it was highlighting he's a businessman, but that he started out washing dishes, in virginia beach. that narrative is so powerful. and if the gop in 2022 in 2024 reversed that model, that reagan started and then george w. bush really amplified. there is very much a path forward, for republicans. but the question is, once we have a national campaign, once trump becomes more of a central presence, what is going to happen? with the youngkin model i think is a winner in terms of that moderate latino culture. >> mark as a friend of mine in politics business, just today the democrats either learn or remember how terry talked to americans, they could actually be dangerous. on that topic, i want to play for you, some comments on pbs made by our mutual friend who sure got a big ride in a lot of attention today. >> [inaudible] don't just look at virginia where jersey. look at long island, minneapolis, seattle washington. defund the police, take abraham lincoln's name off the school, some of these people just know to a detox center or something. they're using language that people don't use, and there's a backlash and frustration at that. >> i see you judy woodruff not to laugh. mark, do you agree with with him? >> i do. i did my first campaign with, james he's still the smartest guy in politics. he always has a pretty good thumb on mainstream america. that's why democrats listen to him in the primaries. when bernie was sort of running away with, it any put up the flare, get on the biden train. that helped elect bill clinton. he had a good feel for the heartland of america. i talk about the bills that are in congress right now, nine out of ten americans, would say, they don't know a damn thing about what's in these bills. they might incite the price tag. they know that democrats are fighting about, but they don't know what the hell it is. that's his point, get out there and start talking about the things that people care about. >> indeed that's why we aired two minutes of tim ryan of ohio telling americans of what could be coming their way to make their lives better just the end of last night's broadcast, luckily for us, victoria and mark have agreed to stay where this. we'll take a, break when we come back, what to expect tomorrow, as the house finally nears the mythic votes, on the presidents mythic spending plans. ts mythic spending plans. plans. capsule clinically shown to cause fewer ulcers than plain aspirin. vazalore is designed to help protect... releasing aspirin after it leaves your stomach... where it is absorbed to give you the benefits of life saving aspirin... to help prevent another heart attack or stroke. heart protection with your stomach in mind. try new liquid-filled vazalore. aspirin made amazing! [♪♪] powerful skincare ingredients come dermatologist-recommended, try new liquid-filled vazalore. and there's a brand that offers them at an affordable price. try olay skincare. olay regenerist, with 99% pure niacinamide provides 5 times the hydrating power of a prestige cream; while olay collagen peptide visibly firms and reduces the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles; and olay retinol 24 brightens and smooths the skin while you sleep. for dermatologist-recommended ingredients at an affordable price, try olay skincare. it was a split decision, on whatever stereotype you're gonna try . . . . . . to put on me about having hiv isn't gonna fit. that's for sure. my name is zach and i'm on biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment . . . . . . used for hiv in certain adults. it's not a cure but with one small . . . . . . pill, biktarvy fights hiv . . . . . . to help you get to and stay undetectable. that's when the amount of virus is so low it cannot be measured by a lab test. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effects include a build-up of lactic acid and liver problems. do not take biktarvy if you take dofetilide or rifampin. tell your doctor about all the medicines and supplements you take, if you are pregnant or breastfeeding . . . . . . or if you have kidney or liver problems, including hepatitis. if you have hepatitis b, do not stop taking biktarvy without talking to your doctor. common side effects were diarrhea, nausea, and headache. if you're living with hiv . . . . . . keep loving who you are. and ask your doctor if biktarvy is right for you. virginia new jersey. and we are taking it seriously, we have things to learn, but there is no predicting what is going to happen in 2022 until we put this whole plan in place, we created millions of jobs, grow the economy, and the pandemic, and make sure people know what we're doing. >> how would you like to have that guy's job recruiting candidates for 335 house races for the democrats? as we reported, the house is expected to vote tomorrow on the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the larger 1.7 five trillion spending plan. still with us thankfully victoria defrancesco, and mark mckinnon, and professor i've got one for you. the work of our mutual friend eugene robinson, and he writes this, while go big or go home maybe a cliché, it is advice biden and the democrat should heed. once democrats pass biden's big bill, the operative phrase there, he should sell them to voters, trump winning what is in the legislation rather than lamenting what had to be left out. and they should rediscover their lost genius for bumper stickers shorthand. new deals and great society. our masterpieces of the genre. build back better? not so much. professor, considering you work in the campus, the kind of beating hard of which is the seat of the great society. the monument to lyndon veins johnson's of texas. do you agree with eugene's sentiment there? >> i absolutely agree. this goes back to a course that i taught in the past which is political marketing. at the end of the day, we know some of the most powerful policies have been powerful because they got past. it was passed correctly, and you can have the smartest vote sitting together. with advanced packages. but if the politics doesn't workout, nothing is going to happen. so this to me, this is what eugene is talking about. but beyond, that i saw agree with the point of owning it. and we saw the obama administration when obamacare came out struggling with the weather to own, it would to name, but when something is passed, and peoples lives are improved for the better, own. we know that once policies are passed, people are going to like the benefits that they get. that is why you fight so hard not to policy change, because you know that once happens, it's sticky. so get it passed, it's not going to be pretty, it's not going to be easy as we heard earlier, but once it is passed, it can absolutely go big. >> mark mckinnon, indeed. just to the predecessors voice the republicans in many cases, let's be honest with help from guys like frank who have figured out using a combination of pulling focus groups and marketing skills, want to name things. who is going to hate no child left behind? you might as well he'd puppies. i think it was a texan army who was the first one to call democrat things, democrats, because it was sharper. it was more pro-door to, and now is -- kevin mccarthy announces the parent bill of rights. that sounds fantastic until you read it. so mark, what is your advice on the democrats to get out there like the fuller brush guy and sell what they've got? i >> well, brian, i've talked to sean, who was in that clips. he's the chair of the democratic regression will campaign committee. the first thing he said to, me is that we got what we. what i also talk to share who was the former head of the dccc. and she said something that relates to your question. that acronyms -- you can't speak any acronyms in office. you get thrown out of the office if anyone mentions an acronym. so, you've got people in congress talking about the fit, and the bbb. so, you know, that is a big. fun so kill the acronyms. get out there and talk about what these programs actually are. there is a ton of popular stuff that are going to be out there, and a lot of things for democrats to campaign. and although i fear that the narrative has been watered down. they could've taken a big w right after the senate voted with 69 votes. i think they should've had a vote right then. but i think all the talk about the transformative sort of fdr and lbj era kind of stuck. it is really kind of in the rearview mirror. anna and i think it's going to take some focus, messaging, around the components that are out there. but i think sean patrick maloney is a super smart guy. he is very candid. i don't think he's trying to -- i think he's got a big job ahead. >> somewhere in washington, someone just, said you mean we can say that we're going to pass it as part of reconciliation? [laughs] >> our thanks to these two friends. professor victoria defrancesco, and mark mckinnon, it's always a pleasure having the two of you. on >> coming up for, us new reporting, on these tough penalties that employers could face if their employees don't roll up their sleeves. up their sleeves. as we mentioned, biden administration now giving companies two months to ensure that their employees are fully vaccinated or face weekly testing that they themselves may need to pay for. the rules apply to businesses with it least 100 employees and will affect more than two thirds of our nation's workforce. before we get an update from one of our leading physicians who is standing by to talk with, us we have a report on this tonight from nbc news correspondent, gabe gutierrez. >> reporter: after months of vocal opposition a remarkable compliance. the new covid compliance covers at least 84 million people. it requires companies with 100 or more employees to ensure during their employees vaccinated by january 4th, or tested weekly. the order does not require employers to pay for those test. the union agreements might require some employers to spot the. >> it is not to spend hours an hours and a lot of public money in. quite the intent behind it is to get this health and safety of workers in the workplace, and put that for it and. center >> u.s. employee, marty walsh, says the robe will be administered by or. shut, finds could reach nearly $14,000 per violation. >> how exactly do you plantain force? it >> or shall has done this work for 50 years, employers know the way to work with. i >> started the phone brief if they are required to give them paid time off. as well as sick leave to recover from side. effects >> if at anytime, during a senate, hearing and doctor anthony fauci defended the biden administration covid response. >> we know that mandates work if you look at for example the percentage of people that the united airlines or the houston medical association, or another organization that has mandated, it works, 99 plus percent, but mandates remain a flash point across the country. from los angeles today >> no one should use their job over a vaccine mandate. [noise] >> the lynchburg virginia this, week where dozens of workers walk off the. job >> i would like it if the company could actually sit down and talk, and have a clear open on his communication. >> tonight some states are going to sue the biden administration over this latest mandate, after already doing so over a previous requirement for federal contractors. in houston, brian the ceo of the supply cambridge company, is concerned about employees leaving in a timely remark. >> i had real mixed emotions, on the one hand, you know, i know that the vaccine is our one way ticket out of the pandemic, on the other, there is a certain reality of managing our employee base for running our company. those two may be on the set of a collision course, we're going to find. up >> the biden administration says that because of this new rule, -- of course opponents will face the consequences. >> with our thanks, for gabe gutierrez, for that setup stories, back tonight with us dr. vin gupta, paul minorities with seattle, he has been it finding us -- for health metrics and evaluations. doctor, vis-à-vis our last conversation in our last segment, here we are back at marketing and labeling again. mandate has become a toxic work maybe wherever frank mumps is that would be more corrupt. consumer, more customer friendly, but be that as it may, how big a rule do mandates, like this play in arresting the spread of a pandemic? >> well, brian, good evening first of all. to quote doctor anthony fauci, this is going to work as we've seen this playbook work already. for united airlines. this specific rule is going to create frictions for employers, a lot of employers with at least 100 employees frankly cannot afford to put up testing. they are going to want to cover the crosses to things that they don't lose their workforce, so that friction is going to be key. here also, i would say, brian, i've been speaking to many organizations across industry. verifications of vaccine status is part and going to be critical. now they are going to have to mandate verification. so we are getting two cents of the delta, how many people in the organization have not yet getting vaccination? i'm also saying, coming from stan bernardino, i was speaking to warehouse workers in the marino valley, many of whom are first responders, who are likely going to be subject to a health care workforce, mandate shortly, even though they know that it's coming down the pipeline, they still wanted to have a discussion, they still wanted to engage and have questions. they need to not lose sight on the long term goal, which is losing trust. so engagement, is what we need. >> okay, doc, stay where you are, let me subpoena breaker, and will continue our conversation. coming up, we'll talk about the doctors predictions on when we might finally be able to consider this pandemic over. pandemic over. >> reporter: more than 51 coloradans are contagious with covid as we speak. that means that if you are unvaccinated, a regular trip to the grocery store, a night out to dinner are more dangerous than they have been at any point in this pandemic for you. >> frequent former guests in this broadcast it's the governor of colorado, they're urging the still on vaccinated to get the shot, he is also importantly now authorized that overwhelmed hospitals in his state have the right to turn patients away during this ongoing coronavirus surge, still with us luckily for us is doctor vin gupta. doctor, the news has largely been good on the spread of the coronavirus and the death toll coming down. though, still at an unthinkable number, we have now lost three quarters of 1 million souls. we have these hotspots. is it time to get tougher than we have been getting? >> brian, for all your viewers, if i could have your team put up that slide of work can expect through february of 2022. we are still expecting, and this is what university of washington it's putting up, as your viewers will see. potentially on the level of 1500 daily deaths, starting to take back up again, december into february, that means 10,000 weekly deaths, week over week, well into cold and flu seasons i was actually just talking to my university of colleague medicines literally a few hours ago and one of the questions is wise colorado they have 72% one dose vaccine rate sifting to 6% of colorado's are fully vaccinated, well bryan, it turns out we are of this 4% variant. we need that number to be higher. there is a little room for error, and even if you have 20% of your 18 and over population unvaccinated, that is enough to swamp hospitals. never mind, the threat of flu, never mind the threat of kid flu. there is a lot of threats out there over the next 4 to 5. months i suspect, right up at the end of the tunnel, by the end of march of 2020, two that is where we are at right now. wow. this merck anti viral. i think i speak for a lot of us when we heard there was going to be a pill for covid, hope soared. i know the uk, has just approved it. but then you hear things like, it's six or $700 a throw. and it's a treatment not a prevention. am i getting anything wrong here? >> you're exactly right. let me remind everybody these vaccines were a lucky to have a more 90 95% effective around 50% effective for those who are a high risk. they keep out of the hospital. once you diagnosed with covid. it's all to say this is a great piece of news here. but i don't love the fact that 80% is in the u.s., the uk, south korea, australia. places that have wonderful vaccines. we for this bill to really change the game here we need to distribute, it make sure it's laced instead, for lower middle income countries, make sure they have access to a brian. and early diagnosis. just like the flu. early diagnosis is key, making sure everybody has access to -- knowing to ask for. and that reminders no to think about prescribing it also really vital if we're going to learn the lessons with the monoclonal antibodies situation. people just in know it existed. >> vaccines for kids. with so many people movements have been waiting, for became a reality to this, week but we have to say, we've seen a record number of anti vax adults, a good number of them are parents, and i am guessing, if memory serves, you have young ones at home. i'm guessing this is now a foot race within the child population its own kind of heard immunity. >> absolutely. i think we should be barely open mind about the challenge in front of us. parents will need to have the process for their children's pediatrician. pediatricians, other messengers they relieve on safety, this pfizer vaccine, no evidence at that reduced owes -- extremely effective, amongst children. turns out brian, between august and september 15th, 60,000 pediatric hospitals for covid. do you know how many pediatric hospitals occurred before? 20,000. these are the types of facts we need to present to parents. clearly, in concisely so we can get the narrative that these are not harmful to younger people. >> turns out, i had way more questions for you than i thought. and it turns out you had all the answers. we will take your advice on that last point, and we will keep showing that graphic to for the kind of winter we might be in for. doctor, thank you, as always our guest tonight doctor gupta, taking our questions on this virus. another break for us, coming up, common sense direct from the kitchen. that they probably should listen to under that dome. we'll explain when we come right back. dome. we'll explain when we come right back ♪ look good feel good play good. gillette proglide, five blades and a pivoting flexball to get virtually every hair on the first stroke. look good, game good. gillette. last thing before we go tonight, don't stop me if you know this already, there's this woman on social media who calls herself, politics girl. she makes videos, from her kitchen. aimed at helping the democrats. she has a big following because of it. and in these videos she routinely makes a better case for the democrats, than the democrats themselves. >> i'm not gonna sugarcoat it. what happened in virginia was bad. is it as disastrous as people are making it out to be? the media army having a field day because they know it's drama, they have -- that it was a close race, and historically always lead against the party in charge. but fifties -- california recall was a legitimate as kicking, even see the media painting it as a bloodbath from republicans. who step away from trump prism or spell doom for their chances in 22. let's just grain of salt the coverage on, this is democracy and crisis you better believe it? was this a good sign fighting for the sign of democracy? absolutely not. but isn't a 12 step program will tell you, the first up to solving the problem is meeting you having a problem. democrats have a major messaging problem. it doesn't matter how great your ideas are if no one understands. them it doesn't matter if you do great stuff if no one knows you're doing. it doesn't even matter if people agree with you, if they don't come out and vote when you need them to. people do not function and make decisions around policy points. they make them based on how they feel. these people are fighting for me, these people get. these people don't. these people are getting stuff done, these guys are messing around. it whatever it is whether it's true or not is irrelevant. we got smoked and messaging. the choices between truth and lies we lost. we lost to lives. the same thing happened in 2016. hillary's emails benghazi lock her up. build a wall. they accept all the error of the. room they were always on defense, and you cannot win that way. we have to take our messaging, throw it out and start from scratch. people need to know where we stand. for what they're voting for. what we're looking toward. in the need to know in six words or less. these concepts of who we are what we believe in and what will fight for need to be repeated, from the top of the party right on down to the smallest county clerk, and we all need to say it exactly the same way. the other side is a little propaganda machine. fox news, and its subsidiaries, an unregulated social media. they lie without consequence. and stand as a unified front. the major media might be filled with liberal, mines but they don't work for the democrats, they work for profit. whatever gets the most ads on the screen gets the day. that's how we got donald trump. the only way to stop this is is to have a counter message. that your worms its way into the american people. here is built on confusion. we counter hate with understanding. the same way we encounter apathy. we need to start where we stand for, we need to say in ways that people here. if we don't, we will not win. and it's not our priority on the line, it's democracy. and that is a race we cannot for deludes. >> so, are you getting the emerging theme here? the woman in california, who calls herself politics girl, with the kind of messaging a lot of democrats might like to hear from the party chair. the speaker. the majority leader. perhaps the president himself. that is our broadcast today at this thursday evening. it comes with our thanks for being here with us, on behalf of all of our colleagues, at the networks of nbc news, goodnight. the networks of nbc news goodnight. tonight on all in the doj as florida announces a new election police force. we are going to create a separate office at the state level, slowly to dedicate and investigating and prosecuting election crimes in the state of florida. >> tonight the republicans that choke off democracy unless they win, then a brand-new jury investigating the former presidents company, and how trump executive privilege claim had a bad in court. plus, the predictable freak out as the biden administration finally releases vaccine guidelines inside the company, as the world on climate for scotland. a major solution may already exist in a metal box in iceland. when all in starts right now. i good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes, on the night of the virginia gubernatorial election. votes are coming in, the field former president the united states leaves a statement, quote, all eyes on -- by the delay, trump was talking about fairfax county of course the most popular county in the state of virginia. we know, what he was doing. it's been five years driving conspiracy theories about voter fraud and there have been very real consequences that play out day by day by the sham on it in arizona, that was totally bogus and hilariously found joe biden

Related Keywords

Presidents , Points , Records , Telephone Conversations , Purpose , Federal Judge , Replied Quote , Tanya Chuck , People , President , Investigation , Committee , Idea , Bearing , Capital , Climbing , Windows , Scope , Six , Subpoenas , Bennie Thompson , Batch , Clues , 20 , Some , Haven T , John Eastman , Friendly , Mike Pence , Election , Times , Lawyer , Attack , Authority , 2020 , White House , Steve Bannon , Nbc News , Capitol , Vice Chair , Committee List Cheney , Two , 150 , Story , Merrick Garland , Washington Post , Subpoena , Manhattan Da A Has Convened Second Grand Jury , Way , Company , Assets , Country , Trump Organization , Donald Trump , Post , Matter , Person , One , Grand Jury Revolted , Allen Weisselberg , Companies , Movement , Felony Indictments , House , Bill , Members , Plan , Note , Phone , Infrastructure Legislation , Democrats , Human Infrastructure Bill , Vote , Spending , Voting Rights , Agenda , Joe Biden , Ass Beat , Moderate , Package , Gasoline Inflations , Emirate , Portion , Voting , Doj , Lawsuit , Justice , Congress , Restrictions , Stop , Texas Law , Department Intervening , Administration , Bit , Vaccine Mandate , Covid Fight , Civil Rights Act , Making Good , Four , Employees , Workers , Employers , Businesses , Americans , 84 Million , Sam Stein , Broadcast , Discussion , Starting Line , Tests , Politico , Journalist , Veteran , Joyce Alene , Prosecutor , Kimberly Atkins Stohr , Team , Host , Makeup , We Kimberly Atkins Stohr , Editorial Board , Boston Globe , Boston Herald , Podcast Sisters In Law , 25 , Joe Manchin , Evening , Barbara Mcquade , Regression Will Campaign Committee , Work , Thing , Everybody , Brian , Pace , Steam , Committee Stuff , Names , Others , Experience , Destinations , Scenes , Point , Seattle Washington , Bars , Money Moves , Advance , Big House Vote Tomorrow , Infrastructure , World , Road , Preview , Expectations , Climate , Spending Package , Lawmakers , Votes , It , The Hill , Indication , Sources , Agenda Items , 218 , Lot , Bills , Order , Components , Senate , Uncertainty , Medically , Step Forward , Instance , Parliamentarian Sufficiency , Reconciliation Rules , Documents , End Of The Road , Pages , 700 , Threat , Fighting , Possession , Reason , Process , Fact , Judge , Document , Number , Executive Privilege Argument , Water , Attorneys , Witnesses , Led , Part , Attention , Speech , Judges Comment , Judges , Meaning , Word , Issue , Grandeur , New York , Importance , Balancing Test , Lawyers , Novel , Wall , Situation , Difficult , Manner , Tone , Ruin Playing , Don T , Terms , State System , System , Grounders , Grand Jury , State Prosecutor , Decision , New York Post , Mechanism , Leave It , Grander , Board , Looks , Sit , Acting President , Parking Garage , Headline , Walking , Maserati , Activists Drew , Problem , Brand , Senator , Rest , West Virginia , Motor Yacht , Anything , Seven , 1 5 Trillion , 1 5 Trillion Dollars , 1 5 , Things , Party , Leave , Language , Provisions , The End , Threats , Sort , Protesters , Works By , Big Miscalculation Early On , Hostage , Agreement , Holding , Something , Virginia , Side , Negotiator , Look , New Jersey , Pride , Faith , State Of Florida , Signal , Negotiations , The Party , Impact , One Direction , Position , Course , Common Sense , Build , Town , Vacation , Ten , Everyone , Ways , Forth , Poll Numbers , Fortunes , 2022 , Gasoline Prices , Dude , Pandemic , Voters , Help , Economy , Health , Slump , Term , Table , Say , Folks , District , Action , Motion , Democrats Aren T In Charge , Shot , Headwind , Guess , Fan , Vance , Court , Texas , Chance , Effect , Lifetime , Effort , Voter Suppression , Rights , Cases , Brine , Provision , Someone , Ballot , Efforts , Disability , Parties , Law , Something Else , Changes , Texas Rules , Right , Interest , Doj The Statement , Department , Challenge , Challenges , Sauce , Ability , Questions , Sense , Season , Three , Fruit , Kimberly Accidents , Thanks , Assessment , Dust , Observers , Resistance , Anti Vaxxer , Doctor Standing , Ay Night Beneath The Capitol Dome , 11th Hour , Capitol Dome , 11 , Home , Fabrics , Food Odors , Cooking , Dinner , Febreze Fabric Refresher , Air , It Dries , Formula , Spray Febreze , Meals , Brand Power , Small Business , Flexibility , Service , Lines , Line , Business , Data , Network , Internet , Customers , Mix , Match Data Options , Comcast Business Mobile , Nationwide 5g , 0 , 5 , 30 , Glenn Youngkin , Contract , Possibilities , Fees , Comcast Business , Victory , Messaging , Republicans , Parents , Playbook , Quote , Reports , Frustrations , Worries , Education , Schools , Progressivism , Opponent , Classroom , Role , Mcauliffe , Teachers , Debate , Gasoline , Mark Mckinnon , George W Bush , Lbj School Of Public Affairs , University Of Texas Austin , Victoria Defrancesco Soto Professor System Dean , John Mccain , Percentage , Start On Youngkin , Well Run Youngkin , Cohost , Circus , Win , Unity , Let , Campaign , Grants , Errors , Entitlement , Everything , Run Campaigns , Combination , Candidate , One Of The Best , Message , Remark , Opposition , John Kerry , 2004 , Numbers , Youngkin Campaign Wanted , Vicky , Somebody , Check , Hispanic , 2000 , 50 , Professor , Trend Line , Inroads , 0 1 , On The Road , Skill , Trump , Third , Office , The American Dream , Demonizing , Back , Security , Prime Component , Spanish , Narrative , Model , Businessman , Washing Dishes , Virginia Beach , 2024 , Question , Presence , Forward , Path , Reagan , Politics , Friend , Winner , Latino Culture , Comments , Topic , Our Mutual Friend , Ride , Pbs , Police , Jersey , Inaudible , Long Island , Minneapolis , Abraham Lincoln , Defund , Name , School , Backlash , Detox Center , Frustration , Don T Use , Judy Woodruff , James He , Fuller Brush Guy , Thumb , Mainstream America , Feel , Bill Clinton , Heartland , Primaries , Flare , Bernie , Biden Train , Price Tag , Hell , Nine , Lives , End , Last Night , Ohio , Tim Ryan , Spending Plans , Ts Mythic , Life Saving Aspirin , Stroke , Benefits , Stomach , Vazalore , Plans , Heart Attack , Ulcers , Capsule , Heart Protection , Price , Skincare Ingredients , Olay Skincare , Hydrating Power , Wrinkles , Niacinamide , Collagen Peptide , Appearance , Prestige Cream , Olay Regenerist , Olay Retinol , 24 , 99 , Skin , Ingredients , Brightens , Split Decision , Isn T Gonna Fit , Stereotype , Sure , Biktarvy , Treatment , Pill , Virus , Zach , Amount , Adults , Cure , My Name , Doctor , Side Effects , Liver Problems , Medicines , Kidney Problems , Build Up , Lab Test , Kidney Failure , Lactic Acid , Rifampin , Dofetilide , Headache , Kidney , Breastfeeding , Hepatitis , Nausea , Diarrhea , Hepatitis B , Predicting , Place , Job Recruiting Candidates , Millions , Jobs , House Races , 335 , Infrastructure Bill , Five , 1 7 , Big Bill , Democrats Pass Biden , ClichÉ , Go Big Or Home , Eugene Robinson , Legislation , Phrase , Genius , Bumper Stickers Shorthand , Kind , Campus , Great Society , Deals , Masterpieces , Genre , Seat , Beating , Monument , Sentiment , Lyndon Veins Johnson , The Great Society , Policies , Marketing , Doesn T Workout , Nothing , Packages , Beyond , Obama , I Saw , Obamacare , Peoples , Better , Weather , Policy Change , Predecessors , Child , Texan Army , Guys , Marketing Skills , Puppies , Focus Groups , Parent Bill , Advice , Mark , Kevin Mccarthy , Sean Patrick Maloney , Chair , Clips , Acronyms , Head , Anyone , Dccc , Stuff , Big , Acronym , Fit , Bbb , Programs , Ton , Talk , Big W , 69 , Focus , Stuck , Rearview Mirror , Lbj , Fdr , Anna , Job , Smart Guy , Friends , Reporting , Reconciliation , Pleasure , Professor Victoria Defrancesco , Sleeves , Penalties , Testing , Rules , Nation , 100 , Reporter , Workforce , Physicians , Gabe Gutierrez , Report , Update , Covid Compliance , Compliance , Vocal Opposition , Agreements , Intent , Test , Money , Union , January 4th , 4 , Safety , Workplace , Employee , Center , Robe , Or , Marty Walsh , Shut , Violation , Phone Brief , 4000 , 14000 , Mandates , Covid , Effects , Hearing , Sick Leave , Response , Anthony Fauci , Organization , Flash Point , Example , United Airlines , Houston Medical Association , Noise , Dozens , Los Angeles , Virginia This , Lynchburg , Mandate , States , Communication , Contractors , Houston , Requirement , Ceo , Vaccine , Reality , Other , Ticket , Hand , Emotions , Supply Cambridge , Rule , Collision Course , Course Opponents , Employee Base , Set , Consequences , Vin Gupta , Paul , Minorities , Back Tonight , Setup Stories , Dr , Vis A , Conversation , Health Metrics , Evaluations , Segment , Play , Mumps , Rule Do Mandates , Consumer , Corrupt , Big A , Spread , Quote Doctor , Frictions , Crosses , Vaccine Status , Friction , Verifications , Organizations , Industry , Warehouse Workers , Health Care Workforce , Many , Subject , Responders , Vaccination , Verification , Delta , Stan Bernardino , Marino Valley , Goal , Engagement , Pipeline , Trust , Stay , Doctors , Breaker , Coming Up , Doc , Coloradans , 51 , Unvaccinated , Grocery Store , Guests , Trip , Hospitals , State , Governor , Colorado , Patients , Coronavirus Surge , News , Coronavirus , Death Toll , Viewers , Quarters , Souls , Hotspots , 1 Million , Deaths , Up , Level , University Of Washington , Slide , February Of 2022 , 1500 , Colleague , University , Seasons , 10000 , Variant , Dose Vaccine Rate Sifting , Well Bryan , 6 , 72 , Flu , Room , Error , Population , Kid Flu , 18 , Tunnel , Merck Anti Viral , March Of 2020 , Throw , Uk , Hope Soared , 00 , Vaccines , Prevention , 90 , 95 , Piece , Hospital , Risk , 80 , Places , Countries , Game , Australia , South Korea , Diagnosis , Access , Reminders , Monoclonal Antibodies , Movements , Lessons , Kids , Waiting , Record Number , Ones , Anti Vax Adults , Memory Serves , Race , Children , Front , Mind , Immunity , Messengers , Pediatrician , Evidence , Pediatricians , Turns , Pediatric Hospitals For Covid , September 15th , 15 , 60000 , Facts , Concisely , Types , 20000 , Guest , Answers , Winter , Graphic , Dome , Kitchen , Gillette Proglide , Flexball , Blades , Pivoting , Hair , Game Good , Gillette , Woman , Videos , Social Media , Girl , Following , Media Army , Charge , Drama , Gonna Sugarcoat , Media , Chances , Bloodbath , Fifties , Kicking , Prism , Doom , California Recall , Grain Of Salt , 22 , Democracy , It Doesn T , Sign , Messaging Problem , Crisis , Isn T A 12 Step Program , 12 , Policy Points , No One , Decisions , Ideas , Make , Them It Doesn T , People Don T , Choices , Truth , 2016 , Hillary , Emails , Defense , Scratch , Benghazi Lock , Need , Fox News , Propaganda Machine , Words , Top , Concepts , County Clerk , Subsidiaries , Profit , Most , Consequence , Screen , Ads , Liberal , Counter Message , Worms , Confusion , Understanding , Apathy , Priority , Theme , We Cannot For Deludes , Party Chair , Speaker , Majority Leader , California , Networks , Colleagues , Behalf , Police Force , Jury , Prosecuting , Bad , Executive Privilege , Plus , Freak , Solution , Vaccine Guidelines , Scotland , Night , Starts , Metal Box , Gubernatorial Election , The Field , Iceland , Chris Hayes , Statement , County , Eyes , Delay , Fairfax County , Conspiracy Theories , Voter Fraud , Sham , Day By , Arizona ,