lot. that's -- they are really moving along. we're going to have adam schiff joining us. he's a member of that committee and we'll get some insight into that. and rachel, i was listening and taking notes on your report on that lawsuit against the nra. we're going to have tim mack join us tonight and he has the people -- the book coming out. >> he has his new nra book. >> entitled "misfire, inside the downfall of the nra." he's going to guide us through this lawsuit. and everything that has led the nra to the place where it is tonight. >> "a," tim mack is a fantastic guest. "b," i've not red that book yet but can't wait because it's a fantastic interview. they are alleging a scheme one who brought the lawsuit that's already dumped $35 million in illegal contributions into various republican campaigns. the nra's responsibility to pay those things back itself would be a significant chunk of change. but that's alleging a bunch of crime around the trump campaign and senate and house campaigns among republican candidates. that's a serious lawsuit. >> yeah, we're going to get into that later in the hour. >> great. thanks, lawrence. >> thank you, rachel. well, one grand jury is not enough for investigating donald trump and his businesses, and so the manhattan district attorney, cy vance, has impanelled a second grand jury. nbc news has confirmed that the second manhattan grand jury is expected to examine how donald trump's company valued its assets. congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez focused on exactly that issue when former trump lawyer, michael cohen, testified to the house oversight committee two years ago. >> to your knowledge did the president ever provide inflated assets to an insurance company? >> yes. >> who else knows the president did this. >> alan weisselberg, rob leiberman. >> do you think we need to review his financial statements and his tax returns in order to compare them? >> yes. we funded it through trump org. >> and that is something a grand jury would know how to do. "the washington post" reports that the second grand jury was expected to hear evidence for the very first time today. the first manhattan grand jury investigating donald trump and his business returned indictments of tax fraud against donald trump's company and his chief financial officer, alan weisselberg. we'll have more on the new grand jury investigation, which will be led by the newly elected manhattan district attorney later in this hour. we begin tonight with the most absurd federal court hearing in history on the issue of presidential executive privilege. it was the most absurd such hearing because the person claiming the privilege is not the president of the united states. judge tonia shulkin who was appointed by president obama is presiding over the case of donald trump vs. benny thompson. benny thompson is the chair of the special house select committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol. donald trump's lawsuit claims executive privilege to prevent the house committee from obtaining written records of the trump white house that are kept at the national archives. president biden has ordered the archives to comply with the committee's subpoena for those records. today the judge invited donald trump's lawyer to speak first, and he did not get off to a good start. in a rambling, rhetorical opening speech, which has no place in a court hearing like this, had nothing to do with the facts of the case. the lawyer, justin clark, found himself saying "it's not only just an important argument and a monumental argument, but it also is one that is going to have consequences down the line for generations potentially." the judge interrupted by saying, "thank you for reminding me of that" sarcastically, and then forced mr. clark into a discussion of the actual legal questions before the court. the judge asked donald trump's lawyer the single most important question in the case. judge -- how should i weigh a previous president's assertion of a privilege when the current president has said there is none? mr. clark -- i think you need to weigh it by looking at each document in dispute. that's the only way to do it i think under the constitution and frankly under the presidential records act. the only way to do this effectively and to have the former president's, you know, rights to executive privilege to be heard is to have a review by the court of each document as it comes out that's in dispute. judge -- other than slowing down the process what would this -- and can you point to me a case that says i'm required to do that? mr. clark -- no, i can't. judge shulkin said she agreed with donald trump's lawyer on one point. one she said some of these requests are alarming broad, but some of them are very specific and are specifically, you know, geared or targeting events of january 6th. the judge then cited a supreme court decision which she says held, quote, that the former president's rights are less significant because he is a former president. and where the current president has waived privilege, the court must necessarily consider that waiver. our discussion tonight joining us is congressman schiff, a member of the january 6th select committee. he was an impeachment manager in the first impeachment trial of donald trump. thank you for joining us tonight, congressman schiff. and as a former legal practitioner yourself standing in those courtrooms, what did you make of this hearing today? >> well, the judge was clearly skeptical of what the trump lawyers were arguing and for good reason. and i'm particularly pleased that in the quote that you excerpted just now the court understands exactly what donald trump's lawyers are trying to do, which is delay. the whole point is delay. they understand as well as we do that it's the current president who really has the dominance and executive privilege. so they understand. i think the trump lawyers understand they're going to lose this litigation, but their whole goal is to draw it out as long as humanly possible. and the judge in that esh change seems to be indicating that the judge knows exactly what they're doing. >> not only does this judge not want to delay the process, she doesn't want to delay the hearing. she was up constantly interrupting and speeding it along to keep the focus on the actual issues and even from the rhetoric, even at one point telling donald trump's lawyer to tone down his rhetoric. and the judge also seems in full command of every relevant case and every law that's relevant to what's being discussed in that hearing today. >> i think that's right. i think that she could tell that the trump lawyers were essentially trying to put on a show for the maga audience outside the courtroom, and that wasn't really impressing the judge. that she wants to resolve the issue. she wants to do it in an expeditious way. the law is pretty clear here that where the current president finds that the national interest outweighs an assertion of privilege and the biden administration has made that finding, that that is the dominant determinant. and for good reason. if you're not going to waive executive privilege in circumstances where the country and its capitol are attacked and congress is looking into that attack and trying to protect itself in the future, then it would be almost no circumstance where a waiver was appropriate. so clearly the judge understands the case law and is working no effort to either distract, deflect or sensationalize the hearing. >> liz cheney, the top republican on the committee you're serving on today said the committee has actually had over 150 interviews. would you say there's been information revealed in those interviews that would change our understanding of what happened on january 6th and leading up to january 6th? >> i think it's too early to say. we have gotten a lot of cooperation from people which has not been in the public view. we have, you know, worked quietly behind the scenes at a rather frenetic pace. and, you know, representative cheney's statements also don't go to the other big area of progress, and that is we've gotten really a significant number, thousands and thousands of documents that we still need to go through and are pouring through. so we've made a lot of progress in a short amount of time but i'm not prepared to represent, you know, what kind of conclusions we may reach. >> in those 150 interviews that we don't know about, do they include trump officials who have cooperated with the committee without needing subpoenas? >> they do include people from the former administration. they include people in the private sector. they include people are experts in some of the -- for example, the social media issues that we're investigating. so they run the gamut. but i think what has been encouraging to us is because we've had the cooperation of people in the public and private sector we know what to ask for. and we know when we demand production of documents and we're not getting the full truth that we can hold those parties accountable. >> what are you expecting in tomorrow's deposition with jeffrey clark? and he's the person at the justice department who was plotting with donald trump to first of all have a coup at the justice department and install him as acting attorney general so that he could then publicly allege as acting attorney general that there was a fraudulent election in georgia and other places. he's supposed to testify tomorrow. what are you expecting from that testimony? >> you know, while i can't confirm the timing of his testimony, i can tell you we'll be taking his testimony. and we're interested in he was involved in discussions with the former president, with high ranking justice department officials about efforts to get the georgia and other states to either withhold the appoint of electors or send alternate slates of electors. he was also involved in discussions about putting out there that the justice department was investigating massive fraud. and he is i think probably in a singular position to speak to those meetings and discussions both at the white house and within the justice department. so, you know, congress has heard from a variety of other witnesses who refuse those entreaties by mr. clark and the former president. and now we need to go straight to the horse's mouth. >> let's listen to what chairman thompson said today in this interview with leanne caldwell about additional subpoenas that he's already signed. >> i signed the subpoenas. >> you've already signed. have they gone out? >> no. >> will they probably go out tomorrow? >> you know. >> how many? >> probably about 20. >> probably 20 subpoenas that have already gone out. what could you tell us about those subpoenas? >> i can tell you that with respect to some witnesses we're going straight subpoena, where we don't expect they're going to cooperate. and in other cases where we've been trying to engage in counsel and making too little progress, or we think that individuals are holding back we're providing subpoenas and demanding information. so we're moving very quickly using all of the compulsion we have. we hope and we urge the justice department also move quickly on the prosecution of steve bannon. we feel that will be very important in its own right to uphold the rule of law and secure his testimony. but we think it also sends an important message to other witnesses that they cannot ignore their lawful responsibilities when they're subpoenas like they would before any court in the country. they better show up. >> congressman adam schiff, thank you very much for starting off our discussion tonight. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. and joining us now is tim o'brien, senior columnist for bloomberg opinion. the author of the book "trump nation." and tim, we saw another demonstration of trump lawyering today over these subpoenaed documents that trump lawyers are trying to protect through the executive privilege of the person who's no longer the executive. >> right, the executive who's not an executive claiming executive privilege. we've talked about this before when i litigated with trump and we were trying to get his tax returns and other financial records. he delayed, he delayed, he delayed. and when we finally got his initial round of tax returns they'd been so heavily redacted, they looked like crossword puzzles. i think the only line of income he disclosed in his initial disclosure to us is income melania had earned which is completely irrelevant to our case. when he does this with congress or like me or anyone else he's doing legal battle with, he's consonantly hiding thing. if you have nothing to hide you have no problem generally turning over documents. and the reality is trump has plenty to hide in the role he played i think in the months leading up -- the years leading up to and january 6th and january 6th itself. and i think in the d.a.'s investigation we got more information out today, that's going to have financial accountability that he's successfully avoided for a very long time. and it's not going to be easy to do anymore. >> and the reporting indicates -- nbc's reporting indicates that they're going after the question that alexandria ocasio-cortez raised in that hearing with michael cohen two years ago, which is what kind of games does he play with the valuations of assets, and are those games illegal? >> donald trump inflates the value of his assets like someone sticking a pump into a bicycle tire. he does it all the time. he does it every day. it is willy-nilly. when he does it with reporters, which he's done for decades. this is not new behavior. donald trump absolutely inflates the value of his assets, and on some days his inflation will change by billions of dollars even by his own estimation. he played a game with it historically with reporters because it was important to him and his ego to stay on the forbes list with the richest americans. it's a different matter when you go into a bank and you say you need a loan and you lie about your value of your asset in order to get a bigger loan you possibly can't pay back later. it's consequential when you go to tax authorities and low ball a property so you have to pay fewer taxes on it. it's also consequential if you claim environmental write-offs against a property by inflating the value of the asset in that case. and then it has a whole possible stew of problems with insurers in which he's made claims for losses than are more excessive than the losses he possibly incurred and he possibly pocketed the differences. all of that is in play right now. and i think the other thing significant about this second grand jury is it appears to be focusing much more directly -- this is tea leafing right now, but it appears to be focusing much more directly on donald trump himself and his own culpability than some of the matters that came before the first grand jury that resulted in allan weisselberg being charged. the first round smack of mippians and people being rounded up who might testify against donald trump, what we learned today it does seem like it's trying to land more directly in trump's lap. >> what is donald trump -- you know him. what are his reactions to these kind of turns of events? 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i think that would end what you call the hostage thinking in the house. >> eugene, it won't end because you want me to write in blood that i'll be for this, this and this. and i'm not for this, this, this and this and they know it. they know it. i've been very clear. >> joining us now someone who just got off the phone with the president. congresswoman katie porter, a member of the house oversight committee and the deputy chair of the house progressive caucus. thank you very much for joining us tonight. what was the president calling you about, and where are you on this legislation tonight? >> the president called to express how pleased he is that we are moving forward tomorrow to pass both the build back better act and the bipartisan infrastructure bill, and he was calling to thank me and others for our hard work, for our continued hard work. and we talked a little bit about what these bills will mean for the american people. >> and when you listen to joe manchin and his continued reluctance to say yes, i'm onboard with this framework as it is now at $1.75 trillion, what is your reaction to that in the house? >> well, we have to do our job. we are each here. we are each sent here by our constituents, by the american people to pass policies that are going to help families and create a strong and stable and globally competitive economy, and that is what's in the build back better act. that's why i'll be proud to cast my vote tomorrow. it's going to go over to the senate, and i believe they will pass a substantial amount, most of the provisions that are in the build back better act will be passed by the senate. i am sure there will be amendments. there nearly always are in this process, but i think we have achieved the fundamental agreement on the main building blocks of this bill, and i think it's time for the house to send it back over to the senate so they can get it over the finish line. >> so this is in fact just a restoration of what's normally referred to as regular order in washington. what the speaker was trying to do, which is understandable, is wire the legislation so there just had to be one vote in the house. you would be voting on the identical bill that would also pass the senate. and ideally from the speaker's standpoint have it pass the senate first, come to you, you pass that identical bill. in the world where you can't prewire that agreement it has always been perfectly normal for the house to vote on the bill, send it to the senate, see what happens, see what joe manchin ends up changing or not changing with senator schumer and see what the senate then sends back to you. and that's always -- and then you try to find an identical bill that you can both pass when you look at these two bills. >> yeah, and i think what we're going to see here is we're going to send it over. i think they will make some changes. i think it will come back to us and we will have to pass it. and i think that's what we're prepared to do. at least this time we've had, these discussions we've had in good faith among house democrats, unfortunately not one republican has wanted to step up and be part of solving some of these problems like elder care and child care, climate change. but we've had good discussions. i think we've laid the framework. i think the senate that will make some changes that will come back to us and we'll get it over the finish line. and we'll start to let families see these positive changes in their lives as soon as possible in the next few months. >> earlier tonight a few hours ago prumilia jayapal, leader of the progressive caucus said you're just trying to get a handful of of members onboard with the house version of this. do you have the handful? >> speaker pelosi, there's no one better than speaker pelosi in making sure every single vote has been identified, has been found, has been pinned down and will be delivered. she simply does not fail. so i know she was working hard. i saw her working hard both on the house floor tonight and well into the evening in her office. we have just gotten notice we'll vote on these bills tomorrow. and when that notice comes out, then that is the end. we know we have the votes to get this done. >> and when the -- you said when the senate bill comes back you -- and you expect it to come back something different from what you send over there, that you believe the house will just take it up and pass it, will not try to negotiate another version of the bill, a compromised bill between the house bill and the senate bill. >> well, because this is reconciliation it's a little bit more complicated than the usual conference process that you mentioned where the senate and the house come together and kind of iron out the differences. so i think because of the senate parliamentarian, because of things like the bird rule i think we'll try to pass what they do. i just want to tell the american people just because it's going over to the senate, just because people working on the bill doesn't necessarily mean the bill will not get better. we may see some positive changes. we may see some things they think of and are able to identify and correct. we've been trying in the house for months and months to anticipate exactly what the senate will accept. i think there are probably things we got wrong. i think there are things the senate is going to be willing to do a bit better or different policymaking than we were. so i'm eager to see them do their jobs, step up to the plate and deliver for the american people. i'm glad the house is leading the way. >> when you get the final bill here, if there is is a -- what the joint tax committee scores as a gap in the funding, they're currently saying -- you're only pulling in only -- you're pulling in $1.48 trillion or so in taxation. the bill's cost is 1.75. that's the kind of gap that joe manchin has said he just can't live with, but those gaps are actually quite common in this kind of scoring. is there any discussion of what the solution might be to try to raise more tax revenue to try to close that gap? >> well, i think there are a cup of things for people to know. one is that there's a difference between how the joint committee and taxation scores things and reality. so you alluded to this, the provisions that would enforce the tax code against the ultrawegty and big corporations that aren't paying their fair share. those provisions aren't necessarily scored in the same way they would work in reality, and that's why you're seeing the white house say they think this bill will generate $2 trillion, will more than pay for itself. and that's because they're looking at how this will actually work. and because of different accounting rules the joint committee on taxition doesn't do that. we also have some prescription drugs in the bill, and that's going to be generating revenue. so i think the joint committee on tax revenue needs to get the final, final copy we'll still be able to do tomorrow when the house committee approves it to get the final score. i feel very confident not only is this bill responsible in termsoffs making investments going to grow our economy. it's also fiscally responsible because we've not only paid for everything we've created additional revenue to meet future investment needs. >> congresswoman katie porter, thank you very much for joining us. and, you know, keep the phone open for the president to call. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. and coming up republican senators josh holley, ron johnson and others have been accused of taking illegal campaign contributions from the national rifle association according to a new lawsuit. you heard the lawyer bringing that lawsuit discussing that with rachel the last hour. the reporter who has literally written the book about the national rifle association, tim mack, will join us next. ssociat mack, will join us next. bipolar depression. it made me feel like i was trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of people living with bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place... ...and be hard to manage. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. this is where i want to be. latuda is not for everyone. call your doctor about unusual mood changes, behaviors, or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. elderly dementia patients on latuda have an increased risk of death or stroke. call your doctor about fever, stiff muscles, and confusion, as these may be life threatening... ...or uncontrollable muscle movements, as these may be permanent. these are not all the serious side effects. now i'm back where i belong. ask your doctor about latuda and pay as little as $0 for your first prescription. wondering what actually goes into your multi-vitamin. at new chapter. and pay as little as $0 its innovation organic ingredients and fermentation. fermentation? 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>> well, "misfire" brings color to all of that and takes you behind the scenes, describes some of these characters in real detail. the thing about the nra is it's kind of a black box. but i've been able to pull the curtain back. the whole book starts with a scene at wayne lapeyre's wedding in the late '90s and he didn't show up for it. the thing is wayne didn't really want to get married. his best man slaps $100 bill on dashboard and says, hey, i don't think you should get married today either. but he goes inside and kind of gets harangued into the wedding with susan lapeyre. it tells us something about wayne lapeyre and the problems the nra is facing now both legally and financially. powerful people inside the nra have realized if you harass wayne long enough or yell at wayne lupaer long enough he's eventually going to approve hundreds of dollars in contracts or golden executives who get parachutes. so many of the problems from inside the nra stem from wayne lapeyre and his personality which we outline in "misfire." >> and how did all of that contribute to what we're reading about in this lawsuit, which seemed to be an established pattern of illegal campaign contributions to republicans? >> well, it's just the latest obligation. in "misfire" we talk about millions and millions of dollars of spending on private jets, lavish meals, exotic vacations to the bahamas, lake como and italy. $6 million in italians mens wear for wayne lapeyre. it's just tons of color in some of the personalities and stories. but what's been happening inside the national rifle association as it declined? misfire is based on more than 120 interviews with people inside the nra universe and orbit and thousands of pages i've obtained of secret depositions, internal nra e-mails and private documents from inside the organization. >> tim mak, thank you very much for joining us. thank you very much for the work you do. really appreciate it. >> thanks so much. and coming up, a second grand jury has been convened in manhattan to investigate donald trump and his business. the newly elected manhattan district attorney who will take office in january has the history with donald trump. that is an important history, and that is next. history, and that is next i order my groceries online now. shingles doesn't care. i keep my social distance. shingles doesn't care. i stay within my family bubble. shingles doesn't care. because if you've had chicken pox, you're already carrying the virus that causes shingles. in fact, about 1 in 3 people will develop shingles, and the risk only increases as you age. so what can protect you against shingles? 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"the washington post" reports that the second grand jury's term indicates it could outlast district attorney cyrus r. vance, jr. who leaves office at years end and extend into the term of newly elected district attorney alvin brag. the associated press reports bragg and trump have history as a top deputy attorney general in 2018 bragp helped oversee a lawsuit that led to the closure of trump's charitable foundation over allegations that he used the non-profit to further his political and business interests. in june when bragg was still campaigning "the new york times" reported mr. bragg reminds frequently in his job he sued the trump administration more than 100 times. alvin bragg refused to comment on the substance of the current investigation while he campaigned for district attorney. he did tell "the new york times" in june that his experience with the lawsuit against the trump foundation was, quote, one reason he was qualified to oversee the district attorney's trump investigation. i have investigated trump and his children and held them accountable with the investigation, mr. bragg said. i know how to follow the facts and hold people accountable. in an interview with ari melber in june alvin bragg said this. >> at the attorney general's office i led the team that held trump and his children accountable for their misconduct with the trump foundation. so i go where the facts go. we can't have a system where anyone is above the law, all right? 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"the 11th hour with brian williams" starts now. good evening once again. day 289 of the biden administration. the focus is on capitol hill where the democrats are finally expected to vote tomorrow on the president's spending plan. we should add, in fairness, your u.s. senate is leaving on a ten-day break and the house is out next week as well. so you get the urgency that has gripped washington. on another front, the committee investigating the 1/6 insurrection, donald trump's attempts to keep documents related to that day private and away from that committee appear to be increasingly futile. the deadline to hand over about 770 pages of it is next friday. it seems a federal judge is reluctant to intervene here. trump's attorneys argued today there was no legislative purpose to which tanya i can't chucken, federal judge replied, quote, are you saying the president's notes, talking points and records of telephone conversations on january 6th have no bearing on the investigation? these are about

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